[21:00] <doctormo> ding ding
[21:00] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the community learning project meeting?
[21:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Learning Project
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:00. The chair is pleia2.
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[21:00] <doctormo> BiosElement, danbhfive, doctormo and maybe some others.
[21:01] <danbhfive> yes, Im here!
[21:01] <Grantbow> I'm hear to learn more.
[21:01] <Grantbow> *here
[21:01] <pleia2> ok, before we get to the agenda I'd like to know if there are more folks here like Grantbow who are interested in knowing more about the project and how to contribute
[21:02] <danbhfive> I'm in that boat
[21:03] <pleia2> the project is primarily focused around development of course material to be presented by loco teams and other interested in hosting courses, but also includes projects like Classroom which do IRC-based training
[21:03] <pleia2> essentially it's a place for all community learning things to converge
[21:03] <pleia2> doctormo has been leading the way with both course development AND teaching at his loco :)
[21:03] <pleia2> so the spectrum of "what we need help with" at this point is pretty broad
[21:04] <doctormo> This means we have need for drafters, peer reviewers, graphics artists etc etc
[21:04] <doctormo> As well as teachers, students and all of those who will use the materials
[21:05] <pleia2> I'd like to nail down some specifics during the second agenda item, since we seem a bit stalled on the volunteer stuff
[21:05] <Grantbow> agenda url?
[21:05] <pleia2> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda
[21:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda
[21:05] <Grantbow> ty
[21:06] <doctormo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning <- main wiki
[21:06] <pleia2> does anyone have any specific general questions before we get to the Agenda? (we can get to questions after, too, if you think of any)
[21:06] <danbhfive> I'm good to ask questions after
[21:07] <pleia2> ok, cool
[21:07] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Course production progress check-in
[21:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Course production progress check-in
[21:08] <pleia2> I have to sheepishly admit that I'm behind on the desktop introduction course, I've extended my deadline a week out (was supposed to be due tomorrow)
[21:08] <pleia2> I was working on the desktop stuff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/UbuntuDesktopTopics
[21:08] <pleia2> doctormo: can you give us a quick status update on your sysadmin courses?
[21:09] <pleia2> BiosElement: can you do the same with your course development?
[21:09] <doctormo> pleia2: Right, so the first 7 classes of the preset 10 class course have been written in first draft (alpha) quality.
[21:09] <pleia2> \o/
[21:10] <BiosElement> Sure, currently somewhat stalled but continuing to make progress. Currently working on a course development workflow.
[21:10] <doctormo> Desktop: pleia2, SysAdmin: doctormo, Programming/Development: none, Teaching: BiosElement, Marketing/LoCo: none
[21:11] <pleia2> ok, I think that's enough of an update unless either of you have more to add
[21:11] <pleia2> the next agenda item is directly related
[21:11] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Tasklist for new volunteers?
[21:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Tasklist for new volunteers?
[21:12] <pleia2> so, based on our current course development statuses, what specific tasks can we give new volunteers?
[21:12] <pleia2> doctormo: presumably you need reviewers?
[21:13] <doctormo> pleia2: sure do
[21:13] <pleia2> I know for me it would be nice to see each section of the 5-prong teaching fleshed out some, have volunteers provide good links to existing content so when the actual course-writers come along they don't need to spend days digging up the appropriate, quality documenation they need
[21:13] <doctormo> danbhfive is helping me reviewing some of the classes in the sysadmin class.
[21:13] <pleia2> hooray danbhfive :)
[21:13] <doctormo> paultab was also giving me a hand with it
[21:14] <pleia2> cool
[21:14] <pleia2> I think we should resurrect our task list
[21:14] <pleia2> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Tasks
[21:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Tasks
[21:15] <doctormo> So yes, getting people writing is important, even if what they write isn't the best last draft. Getting things structured is easy enough, getting it written on that structure takes time.
[21:15]  * pleia2 nods
[21:15] <pleia2> doctormo: I will say, your coursework thus far is very inspiring
[21:16] <doctormo> Perhaps we need to come up with a bit of marketing once our BiosElement has finished with the how to write a course class, that was we can advertise a class to teach the course writing.
[21:16] <pleia2> maybe we can target our marketing to specific teams within the project?
[21:16] <doctormo> pleia2: The one hole in my course material is the practicals, I'm hoping second drafting with danbhfive can plug some of those holes.
[21:17] <doctormo> pleia2: Sure, for instance I would target something to the forums to advertise for desktop class writers.
[21:17] <pleia2> doctormo: I play sysadmin by day, so I'll carve out some time to review as well :)
[21:17] <doctormo> Thank you
[21:17] <Grantbow> would a tri-fold flyer targeted at non-technical non-Linux computer users fall under Marketing/LoCo?  http://www.berkeleylug.com/Contributions/
[21:17] <pleia2> Grantbow: yep!
[21:18] <Grantbow> great
[21:18] <doctormo> Grantbow: How to write a tri-fold flyer would, the flyer it's self would go to spreadubuntu project?
[21:18] <pleia2> so the marketing courses will be teaching people how to use and develop these kinds of materials
[21:18] <Grantbow> ah
[21:19] <pleia2> there might be one lesson called "leveraging the resources of spreadubuntu"
[21:19] <Grantbow> sounds like LoCo classes are an extension of Mentorship
[21:19] <doctormo> Grantbow: Or something to feed it
[21:19]  * Grantbow nods
[21:19] <Grantbow> outreach
[21:19] <doctormo> Grantbow: Don't forget, we're a place to build materials to use for these kinds of teaching and mentoring classes.
[21:20] <pleia2> yeah, most of the information about how to do everything we're doing already exists in documentation, we're seeking to put it into teachable format
[21:20] <doctormo> Grantbow: If you know anyone in the mentorship group who would like to head up the marketing/loco section, that would fill a hole.
[21:21] <pleia2> reading wiki pages all day gets pretty dry, and telling everyone in your loco to read it rather than presenting it to them 1) doesn't work 2) isn't very fun :)
[21:21] <Grantbow> not right now
[21:21] <doctormo> Grantbow: How big is the mentorship group?
[21:22] <pleia2> are we referring to the USTeams Mentors?
[21:22] <Grantbow> doctormo: that's a better question for pleia2 I think.
[21:22] <Grantbow> I was thinking of US, yes.
[21:22] <pleia2> we currently have 4 mentors on the team
[21:22] <pleia2> each mentors 3-4 states at the moment
[21:23] <doctormo> Ah so not that big yet.
[21:23] <pleia2> maybe we can talk pak33m into helping out :) he's our newest mentor
[21:24] <doctormo> For now we can put the topic into "gardening", just have a look at the topics page and weed it now and then with the ideas you've picked up.
[21:24]  * pleia2 nods
[21:24] <doctormo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/AdvocateTopics
[21:24] <doctormo> I'm thinking of renaming it anyway, from Advocate to CommunityTopics
[21:24] <pleia2> that seems reasonable
[21:25] <pleia2> ok, so, any ideas for more specific tasks at this time?
[21:25] <pleia2> I think this is a fine start
[21:25] <GidgetKitchen> doctormo: +1
[21:26] <Grantbow> with the spread ubuntu project, that might be a good name - community is too broad
[21:26] <pleia2> doctormo: oh! Can you link the rest of your courses to the sysadmin page? I think only 3 are now
[21:26] <doctormo> pleia2: Ah right
[21:26] <doctormo> Actually 5 are, see section 2
[21:26] <pleia2> ok cool
[21:28] <Grantbow> a great start, indeed!
[21:29] <pleia2> [TOPIC] General questions/discussion
[21:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  General questions/discussion
[21:29] <pleia2> ok, floor is open :)
[21:29] <GidgetKitchen> Finding Loco pictures that actually represent the communities we are trying to attract?
[21:29] <doctormo> OK updated
[21:30] <GidgetKitchen> Less white dudes (Like me) + more diversity!
[21:30] <pleia2> doctormo: thanks!
[21:30] <doctormo> GidgetKitchen: http://www.depthstories.com/globe.jpg like this?
[21:30] <danbhfive> what is the 5-prong teaching referenced earlier?
[21:31] <pleia2> danbhfive: on the main page if you scroll down to the bottom you'll see the 5 topics
[21:31] <doctormo> danbhfive: scroll down tot he bottom of this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning
[21:31] <danbhfive> ah, ok
[21:33] <doctormo> pleia2: Looks like that's the end of the questions.
[21:33] <pleia2> seems like
[21:33] <GidgetKitchen> doctormo: sure - i mean women, minorities, different orientations - people should feel they have an ally in Ubuntu
[21:34] <doctormo> GidgetKitchen: We should promote the idea that there are no enemies. ally as a word says more about division.
[21:35] <pleia2> GidgetKitchen: do you mean including such pictures in our courses? I think it's a good idea, and if you look at some of the loco team pictures world-wide you'll see more diversity
[21:35] <doctormo> pleia2: Do we have any photos in our courses?
[21:35] <pleia2> doctormo: you have screenshots, I think for advocacy stuff we'll want pictures of happy people :)
[21:35] <danbhfive> how is the overall structure of the courses being decided?  ie, the listings under each of the 5 prongs
[21:35] <pleia2> there are more women participating in other countries, what we consider "minorities" in some countries are majorities elsewhere, etc
[21:36] <GidgetKitchen> sorry my reference is to the lack of women in opensource & mens job to help be an ally
[21:36] <GidgetKitchen> I'll be quiet now <:-)
[21:36] <pleia2> danbhfive: wiki-like :) it's all community developed and then the actual course developers take that structure and handle it
[21:36] <pleia2> BiosElement is handling further documentation on the specifics of how this works
[21:37] <danbhfive> ok
[21:37] <pleia2> GidgetKitchen: oh no! your contributions are quite welcome, I was just trying to figure out how it was applicable to this specific project :)
[21:37] <BiosElement> If you have any questions related to that , Let me know and I'll figure it out. >.>
[21:37] <doctormo> GidgetKitchen: Sorry, I didn't mean to be harsh.
[21:37] <doctormo> pleia2: Women, the majority minority ;-)
[21:38] <pleia2> doctormo: indeed :)
[21:38] <pleia2> anything else?
[21:38] <doctormo> In my sysadmin class, It turned out quite diverse. A couple of white males, but also two women, one blind guy and lots of colours. (can't remember which though, blind spot)
[21:39] <pleia2> ubuntu pennsylvania tends to work with non-profits in philadelphia, I'd say white males are still over 50% of the people we work with, but not by much
[21:39] <doctormo> pleia2: Nothing pressing, the goal seems to be: I will teach as much as I can while we tweak the course creation. Once we've got it penned and drafted and reviewed, we'll Go on a marketing blitz.
[21:40] <pleia2> doctormo: sounds good :)
[21:40] <doctormo> I say we got to the ubuntu-devel mailing lists for someone to head up programming and development, to the forums for desktop and perhaps to locos and planets for marketing and community?
[21:41] <pleia2> add bugsquad to programming and dev
[21:41] <doctormo> Aye, am I writing this down?
[21:41] <pleia2> that would be nice :)
[21:42] <pleia2> maybe add it to the top of each of our 5 pages? "we'd like to see people from $here and $here2 helping"
[21:42] <pleia2> or reach out to them, or something
[21:42] <doctormo> Will do that now then, meeting closed?
[21:43] <pleia2> yes, I'd say so
[21:43] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[21:43] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:43.
[21:43] <pleia2> thanks everyone!
[21:43] <danbhfive> thankyou
[21:43] <pleia2> we're going to pop over to #ubuntu-learning now, in a few minutes doctormo is going to give us a crash course in our bzr repot :)
[21:43] <Grantbow> o/
[21:43] <pleia2> -t