| Riddell | evening | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| EagleScreen_ | we need a sustitude for krec http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-updates/krec | 00:04 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: evening, we need a place for koffice beta before we do upgrade tests for jaunty 4.3.1 | 00:06 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: can you create a new PPA under kubuntu-ppa? call it "beta" | 00:07 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: I can't find an option to do it, probably only admins or team owners are allowed | 00:08 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta voila | 00:10 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: you should be able to just copy the koffice2 packages across | 00:10 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: thanks, I move koffice there | 00:10 |
| lex79 | I already moved it in experimental btw | 00:10 |
| Riddell | make sure you copy the binaries too | 00:10 |
| neversfelde | they are moved and deleted in the other ppas | 00:15 |
| neversfelde | we should probably announce the koffice packages | 00:28 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: would you do it? | 00:28 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: Sure, where are they? | 00:55 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: in the new backports beta ppa | 00:55 |
| neversfelde | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta | 00:56 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: OK | 00:58 |
| neversfelde | thank you | 00:58 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: How would you recommend I get the more drastic changes to the website done (ex, changes to the layout, etc.)... is taking the website offline for an hour or so (well, make it a few so that we have breathing room) reasonable so that we can make the changes, or should I try to get the sysadmins to setup a testsite that they can just migrate the changes to the real site? | 01:00 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: is it on archive.u.c for karmic too? | 01:01 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: no, there are packages for karmic and jaunty in the ppa. It won't make it in karmic | 01:02 |
| ryanakca | OK | 01:02 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: and what's special about these packages? Is it the final release for KOffice2 or are they just now available for testing or ? | 01:05 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: koffice 2.1 beta1 for testing | 01:05 |
| ryanakca | Can someone please re'ack bug 421061 ? | 01:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 421061 in frescobaldi "Sync frescobaldi 0.7.13-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421061 | 01:06 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: OK | 01:06 |
| JontheEchidna | ryanakca: re-acked | 01:12 |
| * JontheEchidna is glad to see that he doesn't have to reconfigure his printer after each reboot anymore | 01:13 | |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: Done... give the cache a second or two... | 01:13 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: thank you | 01:14 |
| Trouble- | Isn't the details of the Jaunty PPA wrong in the KOffice 2.1 beta news? | 01:28 |
| ryanakca | Trouble-: yes, thanks | 01:39 |
| Trouble- | np :) | 01:40 |
| ryanakca | Trouble-: fixed | 01:41 |
| ryanakca | JontheEchidna: Thanks :) | 03:21 |
| * spstarr is coming to the point of snapping on Fedora and sh*ty yum | 04:24 | |
| spstarr | I want my apt back NOW | 04:24 |
| nixternal | lol | 04:26 |
| nixternal | gimme my apt!!! | 04:26 |
| nixternal | spstarr: I am working on some stuff for Yum now for a company....you get used to it after a while | 04:26 |
| spstarr | downgrading with yum? forget it | 04:26 |
| spstarr | see: | 04:27 |
| spstarr | nixternal: http://www.sh0n.net/spstarr/yum-horror.txt | 04:27 |
| spstarr | im getting very close to coming back 'home' to debian/kubuntu | 04:27 |
| nixternal | ya dude, dep hell big time | 04:28 |
| spstarr | this time, kubuntu but im caught cause my radeon GPU works in Fedora but not other distros.. unless i manually compile Mesa/libdrm/ddx | 04:28 |
| spstarr | yes | 04:28 |
| spstarr | nixternal: im sick of it, im so close to snapping and just reinstalling with kubuntu karmic | 04:28 |
| nixternal | I have had that problem as well...and funky enough, it is/was with openssl :) | 04:28 |
| spstarr | at least i can upgrade to the next kubuntu development from apt | 04:29 |
| spstarr | nixternal: haha | 04:29 |
| spstarr | nixternal: notice it wants to REMOVE everything | 04:29 |
| nixternal | I am trying to remember the package I was working on...I was like, damn, don't need this for this appliance, it takes up space...let me get rid of it...NOPE! it uninstalled pretty much everything | 04:29 |
| nixternal | it was for another company I was working for | 04:29 |
| nixternal | we used centos which is the same garbage | 04:30 |
| spstarr | maybe my horror with RPM will come to and RSN | 04:30 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:30 |
| spstarr | nixternal: im serious, im fed up, i want to come home | 04:37 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: taking the website down for an hour or so is fine with me | 08:48 |
| agateau | Riddell: I have been told that kmail package is missing the ui to enable/disable indicators | 10:36 |
| agateau | Riddell: It seems the package is lacking the last patch | 10:36 |
| agateau | Riddell: can you have a look at this? | 10:36 |
| Riddell | agateau: these are the patches http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu/files/head%3A/debian/patches/kubuntu-message-indicator/ | 10:54 |
| agateau | It's a different list from what I posted on my people page | 10:55 |
| agateau | for some reason, they are shifted by 1 | 10:55 |
| agateau | (your 0002 is my 0001) | 10:55 |
| agateau | and you are lacking my 0005, which adds the configuration ui | 10:56 |
| Riddell | ok I'll update those | 10:56 |
| agateau | thanks | 10:58 |
| jussi01 | yay for kde microblog plasma widget being borke.... :/ | 11:10 |
| Riddell | ++````` | 11:16 |
| davmor2 | jussi01: no never I don't believe you :P | 11:16 |
| jussi01 | davmor2: shush now :P | 11:17 |
| jussi01 | davmor2: Ive it configed fro twitter, but it leaves the configure buttone active on top of it, which is kinda annoying | 11:18 |
| davmor2 | jussi01: I think I bugged that ages ago I at least told Riddell if not :) | 11:18 |
| davmor2 | jussi01: also it doesn't display other peoples posts only your own :) | 11:19 |
| jussi01 | davmor2: ahh, I only just got to karmic now, hence I noticed it | 11:19 |
| jussi01 | So is it just me or is open office in kde lacking icons? | 11:34 |
| * jussi01 thinks theres a few bugs to reports here... | 11:34 | |
| Riddell | wait for 4.3.1 to see what's fixed there | 11:42 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: ahh, ok. can you tell me when thats due? (of course I can look myself, but if you know quickly thats appreciated) | 11:44 |
| ScottK | jussi01: Tuesday | 11:44 |
| jussi01 | ahh, k. thanks ScottK | 11:45 |
| Riddell | we'll probably upload tonight | 11:47 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I did talk about it at the release team meeting on Friday, so people know it's coming. | 11:47 |
| Riddell | yeah saw that thanks | 11:48 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: excellent. thanks a lot. | 11:50 |
| * jussi01 is looking forward to it, there are a lot of bugs still in the current karmic (expected of course, but itll be great to see them getting fixed) | 11:51 | |
| jussi01 | also, real quick question, is there a reason the old koffice is still available in karmic? | 11:55 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: I'm mostly testing wubi today unfortunately ubiquity appears to be crashing at the end. Will test kne-wubi on my netbook shortly | 11:55 |
| ScottK | Thanks davmor2. | 11:55 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: 2 days to install and update xp and it runs so slow :( | 11:56 |
| davmor2 | oh and the official atheros xp driver only supports wep and not wpa :) but xp is better than linux right :D | 11:57 |
| Riddell | jussi01: the koffice devs don't want 2.0 in main | 11:59 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: is there a reason koffice needs to be in main though? | 12:00 |
| ScottK | jussi01: On the dvd. | 12:01 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: ahh, ok. | 12:01 |
| jussi01 | Itlle be interesting to see what gets fixed in 4.3.1 as neither koffice, koffice kde4 or open office are currently in a close to usable state. | 12:03 |
| Riddell | open office works fine | 12:03 |
| Riddell | 4.3.1 won't touch any of those | 12:03 |
| === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter | ||
| jussi01 | Riddell: it does? hrm, my upgrade mustve borked something... | 13:04 |
| jussi01 | I have no icons, and several other UI inconsistencies... | 13:05 |
| ScottK | I've seen icon issues in other apps too (Quassel) | 13:17 |
| Sput | ScottK: that still seems to be kubuntu problem though... maybe KDE's icon cache is stale after you stopped installing the icons we ship? | 13:18 |
| Sput | I've had bad experiences with KDE's icon caching before :) | 13:19 |
| jussi01 | remind me how to refresh the icon cache? | 13:23 |
| ghostcube | update-icon-cache ? | 13:25 |
| ghostcube | its definetly an update-* | 13:25 |
| jussi01 | No command 'update-icon-cache' found, did you mean: | 13:25 |
| jussi01 | Command 'update-icon-caches' from package 'libgtk2.0-bin' (main) | 13:25 |
| ghostcube | oh missed an s but it was very close hehe | 13:25 |
| jussi01 | I dont really want to install libgtk2.0-bin if I can help it... | 13:26 |
| Sput | jussi01: wouldn't help either | 13:26 |
| Sput | you gotta remove the cache file somewhere in your .kde4 | 13:26 |
| Sput | ~/.kde4/cache-$hostname/kpc/kde-icon-cache.* | 13:27 |
| ghostcube | hola i must remember this i have icon probs too and was wondering why | 13:28 |
| ghostcube | -_- | 13:28 |
| Sput | well, who knows if it helps with your problems :) | 13:28 |
| Sput | certainly helped with mine, but I'm not a kubuntu user | 13:28 |
| jussi01 | since when did we have a.kde4 anymore? | 13:28 |
| ghostcube | hmm i dont have the restart icon if an krnel is new or some others | 13:28 |
| Sput | jussi01: ...or wherever you guy have your $kdehome | 13:28 |
| Sput | *guys | 13:28 |
| * jussi01 hugs Sputand says thanks :) | 13:29 | |
| Sput | jussi01: did it work? | 13:29 |
| jussi01 | got to test, work right this sec, brb | 13:29 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: Install inside windows option is still missing from the wubi install. I'm going to see if it is down to the drive space left being too small | 13:32 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: no not showing up on a real xp pc either so one for evand when he gets back I think :( | 13:34 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks for testing | 13:34 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: I'll have a look at a full install latter if I get the time if not then tomorrow to prep for alpha5 | 13:35 |
| * ScottK nods | 13:36 | |
| ScottK | Sput: Clearing cache didn't help and AFAIK it's just the quassel channel icons in the 'chat' list. | 13:42 |
| Sput | ScottK: you have stopped installing our icons for rc1, right? | 13:42 |
| ScottK | I did. | 13:42 |
| Sput | ok, should still work of course | 13:43 |
| Sput | except they're missing from your oxygen somehow | 13:43 |
| ScottK | But I did a test build where I put those back and it didn't help. | 13:43 |
| Sput | did it still work in the packages you had before? | 13:43 |
| ScottK | I didn't try that. | 13:43 |
| Sput | well, you probably would've noticed :) | 13:43 |
| ScottK | It does work with the same package built on Jaunty. | 13:43 |
| Sput | oh | 13:43 |
| ScottK | But I'm shipping your icons in that one. | 13:44 |
| ScottK | So it's officially weird. | 13:44 |
| Sput | ScottK: so maybe check your installation for /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/irc-* | 13:44 |
| Sput | do the icons work in the toolbar? | 13:44 |
| ScottK | Gotta turn it back on ... | 13:45 |
| ScottK | Yep | 13:46 |
| Sput | that makes it even weirder :) | 13:46 |
| Sput | so looks like only 16x16 is missing | 13:46 |
| Sput | (the toolbar uses larger ones) | 13:46 |
| ScottK | Except they are present. | 13:46 |
| ScottK | /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions$ ls irc-* | 13:47 |
| ScottK | irc-close-channel.png irc-join-channel.png irc-operator.png irc-remove-operator.png irc-unvoice.png irc-voice.png | 13:47 |
| Sput | oh... wait | 13:47 |
| Sput | just saw something confusing | 13:47 |
| ScottK | Also they render fine with gwenview, so I don't think it's a corrupt icon problem. | 13:48 |
| Sput | we have irc-channel-active in the code | 13:48 |
| Sput | now I wonder two things: why does it work here, and why did I pick that name? | 13:48 |
| jussi01 | Sput: isnt irc-channel-active the one for the blue "active" chans? | 13:50 |
| ScottK | jussi01: One isn't provided by that name either in Quassel's Oxygen icons nor in KDE's. | 13:50 |
| jussi01 | heh | 13:50 |
| jussi01 | maybe that was nuno's original name? (guessing now...) | 13:51 |
| Sput | ScottK: it's provided in Quassel's icons in fact, but not in KDE | 13:53 |
| Sput | now I remember, it's slightly modified icons that Nuno never put in Oxygen for some reason | 13:53 |
| Sput | (prolly because we didn't poke him hard enough) | 13:53 |
| ScottK | I don't see it at 16x16 in my rc1 tarball? | 13:54 |
| Sput | ScottK: in status/ rather than actions/ | 13:54 |
| ScottK | Ah | 13:54 |
| ScottK | So I need to ship that one. | 13:54 |
| Sput | I'll have a stab at the build system later today | 13:54 |
| Sput | we actually have a -DWITH_OXYGEN option in cmake | 13:55 |
| Sput | but never use it :) | 13:55 |
| ScottK | OK. | 13:55 |
| ScottK | Well for now I can adjust my build system to ship those. | 13:55 |
| Sput | yep | 13:55 |
| Sput | sorry for the confusion, I didn't remember that we still had some icons not in upstream KDE | 13:56 |
| Sput | ScottK: basically you want to ship all the icons in icons/oxygen_quassel | 13:57 |
| Sput | those contain the tray animation as well | 13:57 |
| ScottK | I don't have that. I have hicolor, import, and oxygen under icons. | 13:58 |
| Sput | I think I'm going to make that clearer, move oxygen_quassel to oxygen and the things we import from kde to oxygen_kde, and allow for a build flag that doesn't install the KDE ones | 13:58 |
| Sput | interesting :) | 13:58 |
| Sput | aha, now I remember that other little details | 13:59 |
| Sput | *detail | 13:59 |
| Sput | they're in git, but not in the tarballs | 13:59 |
| Sput | well, I'm gonna fix this somehow. for now, status/ and animations/ should be shipped | 13:59 |
| ScottK | Sput: All of animations or just the irc* ones? | 14:14 |
| Sput | ScottK: there should be only quassel_tray* ones? | 14:14 |
| Sput | if I'm not mistaken again :) | 14:14 |
| ScottK | Sput: Right. Meant actions. | 14:14 |
| Sput | the irc-channel-* ones from status | 14:15 |
| Sput | should be sufficient | 14:15 |
| ScottK | err status | 14:15 |
| ScottK | OK | 14:15 |
| ScottK | Got that set up. | 14:15 |
| Sput | you also might want to have apps/quassel_inactive | 14:16 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: obvious question but one I think you'll get lots of bug reports for how do I shut kne down? | 14:16 |
| ScottK | Sput: I ship all the ones with quassel in the file name. | 14:16 |
| Sput | ScottK: ah ok. | 14:16 |
| ScottK | davmor2: Touch the power button and you should get the logout/shutdown/restart dialogue | 14:16 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: I know but I can see lots of bug reports coming from it. I can see a lot of people looking for the off button :) | 14:19 |
| ScottK | davmor2: We have one already. On the TODO. | 14:19 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: I figured it would be :) | 14:19 |
| ScottK | Although I'm very tempted to keep it the way it is. | 14:20 |
| ScottK | I netbook isn't meant to me just like a big computer. | 14:20 |
| ScottK | I/A | 14:20 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: I think you would miss new user market if you did. Too many people are used to hitting windows/shutdown or of course the linux equivalent in order to shutdown their machine | 14:22 |
| ScottK | Probably. | 14:22 |
| Sput | Alt+F2 -> "shutdown" -> Enter | 14:23 |
| Sput | :) | 14:23 |
| Sput | clicking things is so KDE3 | 14:23 |
| ScottK | Touch power button. | 14:24 |
| ScottK | Hit enter | 14:25 |
| ghostcube | clicking things is so ... normal | 14:25 |
| ghostcube | -_- | 14:26 |
| ghostcube | i didnt know we had biolocical interface settings owadays | 14:26 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:26 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: that logs you out :P | 14:27 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 14:27 |
| ScottK | Which doesn't, last I checked, work with Intel and kdm. | 14:27 |
| davmor2 | not shutdown :) | 14:27 |
| ScottK | We probably ought to change that. | 14:28 |
| ScottK | Sput: Fix uploaded. | 14:51 |
| Sput | cool :) | 14:51 |
| Sput | I'll stab our buildsys later today | 14:51 |
| === m4v_ is now known as m4v | ||
| ryanakca | Hmmm... for frescobaldi, seeing that we're in FF, I'm guessing it won't be possible to sync rumor in from Debian. Therefore, should I remove the 'Suggests: rumor' line? | 14:54 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Unmet suggests are OK. | 14:54 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: OK | 14:54 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: k3b extra codecs broken as it doesn't allow -unstripped52 packages and should | 15:21 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: needs a conditional dep, I agree, but howto ???? | 15:26 |
| rgreening | ScottK: ^ any advice for Tonio_? | 15:26 |
| Tonio_ | I have no option to do this since those deps are shbuildep.... | 15:27 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: it used to work... | 15:27 |
| rgreening | not sure what changed | 15:27 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: ffmpeg packages where changed | 15:27 |
| Tonio_ | and renamed | 15:27 |
| Tonio_ | -unstripped packages don't exist anymore | 15:27 |
| ScottK | ffmpeg is what used to be unstripped | 15:28 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: new ffmpeg packages don't have those, check out the versions :) | 15:28 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: see with siretart, I worked with him on that point | 15:28 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: he reuploaded reintroducing the packages and asked me to change kubuntu-restricted extras to install the stripped ones | 15:29 |
| ScottK | So what's the issue? | 15:29 |
| Tonio_ | since there is very few differences according to him | 15:29 |
| ScottK | He should know | 15:30 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: the issue is that the ffmpeg -dev packages have a conditional dep on libavcodec52 OR libavcodec-unstripped-52 | 15:30 |
| Tonio_ | but, as k3b package uses shbuilddeps to build the deps, it'll only depend on libavcodec52 | 15:30 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: we could hardcode the deps, but that sounds a bit nasty | 15:30 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: shbuilddeps should know about conditional deps when they exist on -dev packages instead of just playing with ld | 15:31 |
| ScottK | I don't think they do though. | 15:31 |
| ScottK | So you get to write a debian/rules hack to fix it. | 15:31 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I see there a limitation of the tools, so we can decide the good override | 15:31 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: at work right now, so I can ping siretart, but feel free to do so, and we can decide the best override later | 15:32 |
| rgreening | we need to allow the unstripped and stripped I believe in order for some of the codec stuff to work.. but I could be wrong. | 15:32 |
| ScottK | List unstripped first and then stripped so if they have the repo enabled they get unstripped. | 15:33 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: no ! restricted extras install the stripped now | 15:33 |
| ScottK | OK | 15:34 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: this part was asked form all ubuntu restricted packages bu siretart, he should know more the real reason | 15:34 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I just did what he asked me to do :) | 15:34 |
| ScottK | Right | 15:35 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: ouch ! sorry for the keyboard issues | 15:37 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I'm trying to get used to qwerty, that's pretty hard :) | 15:38 |
| ScottK | Seems fine to me. I think I just automatically edit it as I read. | 15:38 |
| Riddell | doesn't it defeat the point of restricted extras to depend on the stripped version? | 15:40 |
| rgreening | I agree | 15:44 |
| Riddell | you can work around shlibs if needed | 15:47 |
| nixternal | oi oi | 15:48 |
| Riddell | it's nixternal! | 15:50 |
| nixternal | where? | 15:50 |
| nixternal | catch him, don't let him get away...he needs to do some work around here! | 15:51 |
| Riddell | agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/262566/ | 15:59 |
| Riddell | quassel fail | 16:00 |
| ScottK | Riddell: FYI, I did just update the quassel package this morning, so please base any upload on that one. | 16:02 |
| ScottK | (just added some icons back in, so it won't affect testing) | 16:02 |
| agateau | Riddell: @phone | 16:03 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yeah using bzr | 16:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Cool. Just making sure. | 16:07 |
| Riddell | agateau: you can have both WANT_QTCLIENT and WANT_MONO on, not sure if the CMake code takes that into account | 16:07 |
| agateau | back | 16:10 |
| agateau | Riddell: looks like I did not properly escape the desktop file path | 16:11 |
| agateau | odd that it builds on my machine | 16:11 |
| * agateau looks | 16:11 | |
| Riddell | yes, needs quote marks around it | 16:12 |
| agateau | Riddell: being able to have both WANT_QTCLIENT and WANT_MONO is annoying | 16:14 |
| agateau | Riddell: does the package define both? | 16:15 |
| ScottK | agateau: It does | 16:15 |
| agateau | ScottK: so it create different binaries I guess | 16:16 |
| ScottK | agateau: Exactly. | 16:16 |
| agateau | Then I need to find a way to have my define change depending on the binary | 16:16 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Your Kopete trayicon change got a fair amount more grumbling while you were away over the weekend. Any thought about reverting it yet? | 16:17 |
| Riddell | I still maintain my lifelong dislike of excessive tray icons | 16:20 |
| Riddell | I don't see a purpose in the tray icon if the message indicator is on as it is currently | 16:21 |
| Riddell | and we should have a meeting soon to decide if we want to keep it on or not | 16:21 |
| rgreening | Riddell: mi is broken for tray icon stuff | 16:21 |
| Riddell | rgreening: how do you mean? | 16:21 |
| rgreening | try opening Kopete using mi | 16:21 |
| Riddell | works for me | 16:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Since it's fully configurable in 4.3, I think you should just let people that don't like it hide it. | 16:22 |
| rgreening | it only works if the app main window is not hidden | 16:22 |
| rgreening | i.e the app is running and window minimized. | 16:22 |
| rgreening | whereas I like hiding the window with the app running. mi doesn't allow unhiding the app and raising the window, only the tray icon does that | 16:23 |
| rgreening | so, if mi can do that, then we are ok, otherwise... | 16:23 |
| rgreening | we have issues. | 16:23 |
| Riddell | right, either Kopete should treat the Close button as a Close button and quit, or it should reappear from the message indicator | 16:24 |
| Riddell | that should be entirely fixable n'est pas agateau? | 16:25 |
| agateau | Riddell: I hope so | 16:26 |
| agateau | rgreening: so what you do is click the "x" button, Kopete goes away and you can't bring it back with mi, that's it? | 16:27 |
| JontheEchidna | moderation required in #kubuntu | 16:30 |
| JontheEchidna | maco: thanks | 16:31 |
| maco | i forgot to op myself before typing kick the first time :P | 16:31 |
| rgreening | agateau: yeah | 16:34 |
| agateau | rgreening: but you can still see a Kopete entry in mi? | 16:34 |
| rgreening | agateau: mi doesn't know it's running cause the window is hidden I guess. And yep, still in mi. | 16:34 |
| agateau | rgreening: I am afraid it's simpler than that: | 16:35 |
| rgreening | agateau: same happens for Kmail/Kontact btw | 16:35 |
| agateau | rgreening: if systray is disabled, then clicking (x) cause Kopete to quit | 16:35 |
| agateau | rgreening: same reason I think | 16:35 |
| Riddell | agateau: ps says it's still running for me | 16:35 |
| agateau | Riddell: strange | 16:36 |
| rgreening | agateau: clicking X causes window to hide and app to remain running in background is what is desired, and mi to know about this. | 16:36 |
| Riddell | it's also still listed in the message indicator which isn't the case after I killall kopete | 16:36 |
| rgreening | I noticed that too. It requires a restart of mi to pick up this change (i.e. remove it and re-add it) | 16:37 |
| rgreening | ^that was when the kopete icon was misbehaving though. | 16:37 |
| agateau | rgreening: what I fail to understand is how can your mi entry disappear if the plugin is enabled and kopete is running | 16:37 |
| rgreening | agateau: do you have skype :) | 16:38 |
| Riddell | agateau: the message indicator entry is still there for me | 16:38 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok, this makes more sense | 16:38 |
| agateau | Riddell: then I just need to figure out what is called when the systray is clicked and do the same | 16:38 |
| rgreening | unhide() | 16:39 |
| rgreening | :) | 16:39 |
| rgreening | or .show() | 16:39 |
| rgreening | lol | 16:39 |
| Riddell | show() I expect | 16:39 |
| * agateau digs in the code | 16:39 | |
| smarter | I think we need a way to notify the user that his app went into the mi | 16:40 |
| smarter | either a popup or a modal window | 16:41 |
| smarter | an animation would be nice too, but it requires a fallback for non-composite systems | 16:41 |
| * rgreening thinks we needs a "slurping" sound for when MI slurps the app in. j/k | 16:41 | |
| agateau | :) | 16:41 |
| Riddell | it currently has a not very elegant dialogue to tell the user it went into the systray, that could be adapted | 16:41 |
| ScottK | Apparently notifications in the middle of the screen are all the rage in Ubuntu. | 16:41 |
| smarter | let's not do that. | 16:42 |
| agateau | smarter: I agree we need such a notification, not sure about the best way to implement this | 16:42 |
| Riddell | agateau: Quassel MI lights up when I get pinged but the window doesn't come to the forground when I select it in MI | 16:42 |
| agateau | Riddell: is the window on another desktop? | 16:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Got focus stealing prevention on? | 16:42 |
| Riddell | agateau: no | 16:42 |
| Riddell | ScottK: not that I know of | 16:43 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It defaults on Low. | 16:43 |
| ScottK | Which we might want to reconsider. | 16:43 |
| Riddell | ScottK: mm, yes | 16:43 |
| Riddell | if I change it to None it starts to work | 16:44 |
| agateau | I am getting a bit overflowed here :) | 16:44 |
| agateau | it's probably time to log those to LP | 16:44 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Same problem with clicking on the notification. | 16:44 |
| Riddell | agateau: yes, time for a bug tracker probably | 16:44 |
| agateau | ScottK: Riddell: yes, the problem is we can't use the kde api to bring app to front | 16:44 |
| agateau | or maybe we can... since we build with KDE support | 16:45 |
| Riddell | check for -DWITH_KDE=ON ? | 16:45 |
| agateau | Something like this yes | 16:45 |
| ScottK | agateau: There is an open bug asking for Qt only binaries too, so please do check for KDE=ON | 16:45 |
| agateau | ScottK: sure | 16:46 |
| agateau | it won't get upstream otherwise | 16:46 |
| smarter | agateau: did you post your patches to a kde ml? | 16:47 |
| Riddell | smarter: that's actually next on my todo for discussing with agateau | 16:47 |
| agateau | I posted quassel patches to sput | 16:47 |
| smarter | okay | 16:47 |
| Riddell | the konversation ones got posted | 16:47 |
| agateau | I posted some my api to detect support for action in notifications | 16:48 |
| ScottK | kdelibs too, but that conversation isn't going so well. | 16:48 |
| agateau | but it's not going in I'm afraid | 16:48 |
| smarter | 'cause we still have no idea what upstream thinks of that | 16:48 |
| agateau | smarter: I also had good feedback from kmail devs on irc | 16:48 |
| ScottK | BTW, is there an FFe approved for this MI patching? | 16:49 |
| agateau | ScottK: it was done before FF, am I wrong? | 16:49 |
| agateau | Now it's bug fix | 16:49 |
| ScottK | agateau: I don't think so. | 16:49 |
| ScottK | Adding MI support to an app I would think is a feature change. | 16:49 |
| Riddell | they were except for this Quassel one which I've been late with | 16:49 |
| Riddell | I can do a FFe | 16:50 |
| Riddell | agateau: so bugs, we can report them on the ubuntu package and use a tag? | 16:51 |
| ScottK | Quassel doesn't have a lot of bugs open on it, so a tag is probably overkill | 16:51 |
| agateau | Riddell: you are more used to LP than me, just tell me what feels better | 16:52 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: having a crisis of faith? | 16:55 |
| Riddell | agateau: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=message-indicator-kde | 17:06 |
| agateau | time to go | 17:09 |
| agateau | see you at 20:00 utc for udw | 17:09 |
| Riddell | agateau: see you then | 17:09 |
| Riddell | Sime_: Phil got back to us and said next Sip will be GPL by the way, so that's the licence issue there sorted | 17:19 |
| Sime_ | sweet | 17:19 |
| Sime_ | thanks you guys for that. | 17:19 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: oh you just enjoy flame baiting don't you? :D | 18:03 |
| ScottK | What'd he do now? | 18:07 |
| ScottK | I see it now. | 18:17 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Odd for you to suggest that. I guess it takes one to know one. | 18:17 |
| nixternal | ScottK: :) ya, but I know to keep the flame bates off my blog...I just do it here on IRC...just ask sabdfl :p | 18:25 |
| lex79 | ScottK: can you retry this: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eet/1.2.2-2 ? | 19:02 |
| Riddell | lex79: I can | 19:03 |
| lex79 | ok | 19:03 |
| Riddell | although only if I manually add +retry to the end of the URL it seems | 19:05 |
| Riddell | ~twitter update Plasmoid tutorial in #ubuntu-classroom in two hours | 19:05 |
| kubotu | status updated | 19:05 |
| nixternal | ooh, Quickly kind of looks groovy...though I think rickspencer3 might look at creating more work for you Riddell :) | 19:11 |
| nixternal | though, I wonder how much of a benefit we would get from it over KDevelop and its templates? | 19:11 |
| Riddell | kapptemplate is the equivalent | 19:11 |
| nixternal | and he just answered my question in the classroom :) | 19:11 |
| Riddell | and could do with being more slick | 19:12 |
| nixternal | right | 19:12 |
| nixternal | though having it tie into bzr and lp is what is pretty slick too | 19:13 |
| Riddell | having .deb packaging too | 19:14 |
| nixternal | that is going to far now....we can't make it that easy for people ;p | 19:15 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I just might have to take that on as a future project...I think it is koolicious | 19:16 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: which, posting quickly or making kapptemplate more complete and slick? | 19:26 |
| nixternal | making kapptemplate more complete and slick | 19:27 |
| ghostcube | hmmm i just updated on jaunty to 4.3.1 anyone did this too today ? | 19:34 |
| ghostcube | sudo apt-get autoremove shows a strange amount of packages | 19:34 |
| freinhard | 4.3.1 is still in staging, isn't it? | 19:35 |
| neversfelde | ghostcube: support => #kubuntu | 19:35 |
| neversfelde | freinhard: yes | 19:35 |
| ghostcube | no just a question no need for support | 19:35 |
| ghostcube | i have no probs neversfelde | 19:35 |
| ghostcube | :) | 19:35 |
| nixternal | then join #neversfelde :p | 19:41 |
| neversfelde | hehe | 19:41 |
| nixternal | there are still some packages to go through it seems...you aren't the first one to notice the mass amounts of 'no longer needed' | 19:41 |
| nixternal | I have a friend who must have 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' in a cron job that runs every minute, because he messaged me 5 times already today | 19:42 |
| ghostcube | oh ok i doesnt wanted to bother anybody just was surprised cause the packages the apt wants to remove had been installed 10 secs before | 19:43 |
| nixternal | lol | 19:44 |
| ghostcube | :) | 19:44 |
| nixternal | I wasn't paying attention and ran into that the other day on karmic and ended up autoremoving more than I wanted to | 19:44 |
| ghostcube | i doesnt touch autoremove for a long time now | 19:45 |
| ghostcube | :D | 19:45 |
| ghostcube | *hasent touched | 19:45 |
| nixternal | I do it to often I think | 19:45 |
| nixternal | especially after removing libpulse by accident | 19:45 |
| ghostcube | yeah ihad this to in feisrty | 19:45 |
| ghostcube | till the day all was gone | 19:45 |
| ghostcube | the bad is if you autoremove by cron | 19:46 |
| ghostcube | -_- | 19:46 |
| ScottK | Do that and all you get is what you deserve. | 19:46 |
| ghostcube | :D | 19:47 |
| ghostcube | but 4.3.1 is working faster as it seems | 19:48 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Packagekit build failure on armel is causing my CD images not to build. Please fix. | 19:49 |
| NCommander | ScottK, normal packagekit or kpackagekit? | 19:49 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Normal packagekit | 19:49 |
| NCommander | *groan* | 19:50 |
| ScottK | NCommander: packagekit-backend-apt: Depends: python-packagekit (= 0.4.8-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed | 19:50 |
| ScottK | E: Broken packages | 19:50 |
| ScottK | Dunno if kpackagekit gets there or not. We don't get that far. | 19:50 |
| NCommander | *swears* | 19:51 |
| ScottK | It also died on libgtk2.0-bin: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.17.9-0ubuntu1) but 2.17.7-0ubuntu3 is to be installed, but I expect that's just a transient. | 19:51 |
| Riddell | Sime_: if you're about do pop into our Plasma tutorial in #ubuntu-classroom in an hour, we'll be covering basicly your tutorial from techbase | 20:09 |
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| Riddell | agateau: ready in 10? | 20:49 |
| agateau | Riddell: yes sir! | 20:50 |
| Riddell | agateau: I've found at least one critical mistake in the techbase tutorial | 20:50 |
| agateau | Riddell: and fixed it i home | 20:50 |
| agateau | *hope | 20:51 |
| ScottK | I think he left it to you to find during the presentation. | 20:51 |
| agateau | nice :) | 20:52 |
| * vorian want's to make a Riddell plasmoid | 20:54 | |
| * vorian gets some fun questions ready :P | 20:55 | |
| ghostcube | wow 4.3.1 fixes notification bugs | 22:02 |
| * Riddell high fives agateau | 22:02 | |
| ghostcube | and its definetly faster than 4.3.0 | 22:03 |
| ghostcube | and the fonts look different | 22:04 |
| nixternal | agateau and Riddell: hats off, good job! | 22:07 |
| agateau | nixternal: thanks! | 22:07 |
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| agateau | sleep time | 22:10 |
| Riddell | bon nuit | 22:11 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I take it the feedback applet is out? I just got an email about the survey itself being a bit to generic | 22:20 |
| maco | feedback applet? | 22:21 |
| maco | can someone add the weather plasmoid and tell it to report temperatures in Kelvin | 22:22 |
| maco | im pretty sure its wrong because its telling me 273K and thats 0C and um its summer. its 22C here. that should be 295K | 22:22 |
| maco | also, did kmail dimap break very recently? it fails after syncin 1/3 of the first folder when i add an account now | 22:26 |
| Riddell | nixternal: yes it's in main and still pointing at your server, I hope to get it pointing at another server toot sweet | 22:27 |
| maco | Riddell: you been watching too much Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? | 22:27 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: no crysis no flame bait, I just want to establish some identity (cause that is really missing from my POV), and to get that started people first have to think about what Kubuntu is all about + I am really not so sure what the vision is ... is it being a KDE distribution or is it being Ubuntu with KDE, cause the latter would suggest little to no changes to upstream while the latter would indeed mean a lot of em | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: ^ | 22:40 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: "To create the greatest KDE implementation ever" | 22:40 |
| nixternal | :) | 22:40 |
| apachelogger | well, that would also mean changing upstream a lot, since implementation usually differs a lot from concept :P | 22:40 |
| Riddell | hense kubuntu-default-settings | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | kds is rather non-intrusive | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | kmenu icon is more what I mean | 22:42 |
| nixternal | make everyone use krunner, get rid of the menu all together ;p | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | that is mutually exclusive with what you said earlier :P | 22:43 |
| nixternal | here are some important things in my eyes that need to work or work better: Printer (time to hack some more on the applet?), Samba (yes, even I need to access a Windows machine from time-to-time), Bluetooth, multiple-displays | 22:43 |
| nixternal | I am going to read jono's book and make our community even better! | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | so our identity should be a printer applet? Oo | 22:44 |
| nixternal | I should write a book called, "The Art of Destroying Community" :P | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | lol | 22:45 |
| nixternal | no, not talking about identiy on that one | 22:45 |
| apachelogger | you know | 22:45 |
| nixternal | our identity could be: "Making your desktop work, so you don't have to" :) | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | that is a slogn :P | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | anyway, what I wanted to say ... how would you make our community even better with knowledge that should already be applied to it :P | 22:47 |
| nixternal | but it would make creating the vision easier unless you are used creating charters for a living :) | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | since kubuntu is a subset of ubuntu and jono is community dude of ubuntu it would seem like the subset kubuntu already got the magic touch | 22:48 |
| nixternal | there is just so much work to do, and so little time | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:49 |
| nixternal | right now I am trying to earn a living, and unfortunately Kubuntu isn't helping there :/ otherwise I would spend day-and-night on it | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | cause yer aint not getting new minions | 22:50 |
| ScottK | nixternal: I think Canonical has the destroying community book on internal distro already. | 22:50 |
| apachelogger | can't even leave you alone for 9 months without running low on minions :P | 22:50 |
| nixternal | ScottK: lol | 22:50 |
| nixternal | I got rid of my minions...they just got in the way :) | 22:50 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I tried to demote nixternal to minion, but he still wouldn't do any work. | 22:50 |
| * nixternal is waiting for end of october to go spend a nice sunny month in mexico | 22:51 | |
| * apachelogger better doesn't do that joke now | 22:51 | |
| nixternal | haha | 22:51 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: sounds sensible, he is nixternal after all | 22:51 |
| apachelogger | sounds like human after all ... mhhhh .... daft punk | 22:51 |
| nixternal | ScottK: I have been doing the minion work for the greater part of 4 years... DOCUMENTATION :/ | 22:51 |
| nixternal | which I need to work on some more, just trying to find the energy to do so | 22:51 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Last I heard you were complaining no doc work got done since Hardy. Please pick one story and stick to it. | 22:52 |
| ScottK | kairmode is appreciated though. | 22:52 |
| nixternal | ScottK: Dapper :p | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | one more python app to eat up my poor poor mem | 22:53 |
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| nixternal | apachelogger: so true...wonder if it is to late to convert it to c++ yet | 22:55 |
| apachelogger | its never to late Gautama said | 22:56 |
| apachelogger | too even | 22:56 |
| apachelogger | btw, are python apps really that slow on starting? to me it feels like KDE is starting up way faster if I remove the printer applet and jockey from autostart | 22:57 |
| nixternal | ya, the autostarting is something different...but just on starting alone they are no slower than a c++ alternative | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: how is autostart different? | 23:01 |
| * apachelogger thinks that he moved everything to autostart phase 2 yet somehow KDE loads quite slowish | 23:02 | |
| nixternal | autostart has always seemed sluggish to me | 23:02 |
| nixternal | phase=2 or not, it seems sluggish | 23:03 |
| yuriy | nixternal: are you sure? it always seemed to me like c++ kcms load instantly while python ones take a while | 23:03 |
| ScottK | The first python app is slow, because Python has to start. | 23:03 |
| ScottK | After that, not so much. | 23:03 |
| ScottK | IME | 23:03 |
| jkary | Hi Folks... Is there anyone else who just attended the PythonPlasmoids tutorial? | 23:03 |
| nixternal | yuriy: that would be probably be very true for larger apps | 23:03 |
| nixternal | but small apps you can hardly tell the difference | 23:03 |
| yuriy | kcms are small apps | 23:03 |
| yuriy | ScottK: good point, and that's not so good for autostarts | 23:04 |
| nixternal | oh, i didn't catch the kcms in the sentence | 23:04 |
| jkary | on this IRC I mean | 23:04 |
| nixternal | jkary: what's up? | 23:04 |
| jkary | I tried to install the hello-python and I am getting "No metadata file in package" error? I am running Jaunty with plasma and kde-workspace-bin packages installed. | 23:06 |
| nixternal | jkary: did you create the .plasmoid file for the install? | 23:07 |
| jkary | I've verified the file contents for both source files. | 23:07 |
| jkary | nope. | 23:07 |
| nixternal | zip -r dir plasma-foo.plasmoid | 23:07 |
| jkary | hmmm | 23:07 |
| jkary | let me try that... one sec | 23:07 |
| nixternal | jkary: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma#Plasma_Programming_with_Python <- you can also review that as well for more info | 23:08 |
| * nixternal takes the dogs out for a quick run | 23:08 | |
| jkary | nixternal: I am following http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Python/GettingStarted... | 23:10 |
| _3vi1_ | X-KDE-PluginInfo-Depends only refers to other plasmoids, right? | 23:10 |
| jkary | nope... still getting the same error and I seem to be following the tutorial exactly. | 23:14 |
| jkary | plasapkg -v returns Qt 4.5.0, KDE 4.2.2 Plasma Package Manager 0.1 | 23:15 |
| * _3vi1_ is away: Gone away for now | 23:31 | |
| shtylman | Riddell seele: any counter thoughts to removing the quit button and putting it in the upper right corner? or does it seem like a sensible thing to do? | 23:53 |
| Riddell | isn't that different from every other app/dialogue? | 23:54 |
| shtylman | well...in some ways yes and others no... you mean every other install app right? | 23:55 |
| shtylman | on one hand...having it in the upper corner makes it similar to a window that you can close | 23:56 |
| shtylman | on the other hand, having it as a button with text makes it very clear what will happen | 23:56 |
| shtylman | and also doesn't begin to clutter the upper right with small icons | 23:57 |
| shtylman | that do various things | 23:57 |
| Riddell | is there a problem that it would solve? | 23:58 |
| jkary | hmmm... I guess the plasma example doesn't work in Jaunty... I've spent the last hour reviewing and tried the zip file from http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/plasma-python/hello-python.zip | 23:59 |
| jkary | with no luck either | 23:59 |
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