[00:01] evening [00:04] we need a sustitude for krec http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-updates/krec [00:06] Riddell: evening, we need a place for koffice beta before we do upgrade tests for jaunty 4.3.1 [00:07] neversfelde: can you create a new PPA under kubuntu-ppa? call it "beta" [00:08] Riddell: I can't find an option to do it, probably only admins or team owners are allowed [00:10] neversfelde: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta voila [00:10] neversfelde: you should be able to just copy the koffice2 packages across [00:10] Riddell: thanks, I move koffice there [00:10] I already moved it in experimental btw [00:10] make sure you copy the binaries too [00:15] they are moved and deleted in the other ppas [00:28] we should probably announce the koffice packages [00:28] ryanakca: would you do it? [00:55] neversfelde: Sure, where are they? [00:55] ryanakca: in the new backports beta ppa [00:56] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta [00:58] neversfelde: OK [00:58] thank you [01:00] Riddell: How would you recommend I get the more drastic changes to the website done (ex, changes to the layout, etc.)... is taking the website offline for an hour or so (well, make it a few so that we have breathing room) reasonable so that we can make the changes, or should I try to get the sysadmins to setup a testsite that they can just migrate the changes to the real site? [01:01] neversfelde: is it on archive.u.c for karmic too? [01:02] ryanakca: no, there are packages for karmic and jaunty in the ppa. It won't make it in karmic [01:02] OK [01:05] neversfelde: and what's special about these packages? Is it the final release for KOffice2 or are they just now available for testing or ? [01:05] ryanakca: koffice 2.1 beta1 for testing [01:06] Can someone please re'ack bug 421061 ? [01:06] Launchpad bug 421061 in frescobaldi "Sync frescobaldi 0.7.13-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421061 [01:06] neversfelde: OK [01:12] ryanakca: re-acked [01:13] * JontheEchidna is glad to see that he doesn't have to reconfigure his printer after each reboot anymore [01:13] neversfelde: Done... give the cache a second or two... [01:14] ryanakca: thank you [01:28] Isn't the details of the Jaunty PPA wrong in the KOffice 2.1 beta news? [01:39] Trouble-: yes, thanks [01:40] np :) [01:41] Trouble-: fixed [03:21] JontheEchidna: Thanks :) [04:24] * spstarr is coming to the point of snapping on Fedora and sh*ty yum [04:24] I want my apt back NOW [04:26] lol [04:26] gimme my apt!!! [04:26] spstarr: I am working on some stuff for Yum now for a company....you get used to it after a while [04:26] downgrading with yum? forget it [04:27] see: [04:27] nixternal: http://www.sh0n.net/spstarr/yum-horror.txt [04:27] im getting very close to coming back 'home' to debian/kubuntu [04:28] ya dude, dep hell big time [04:28] this time, kubuntu but im caught cause my radeon GPU works in Fedora but not other distros.. unless i manually compile Mesa/libdrm/ddx [04:28] yes [04:28] nixternal: im sick of it, im so close to snapping and just reinstalling with kubuntu karmic [04:28] I have had that problem as well...and funky enough, it is/was with openssl :) [04:29] at least i can upgrade to the next kubuntu development from apt [04:29] nixternal: haha [04:29] nixternal: notice it wants to REMOVE everything [04:29] I am trying to remember the package I was working on...I was like, damn, don't need this for this appliance, it takes up space...let me get rid of it...NOPE! it uninstalled pretty much everything [04:29] it was for another company I was working for [04:30] we used centos which is the same garbage [04:30] maybe my horror with RPM will come to and RSN [04:30] hehe [04:37] nixternal: im serious, im fed up, i want to come home [08:48] ryanakca: taking the website down for an hour or so is fine with me [10:36] Riddell: I have been told that kmail package is missing the ui to enable/disable indicators [10:36] Riddell: It seems the package is lacking the last patch [10:36] Riddell: can you have a look at this? [10:54] agateau: these are the patches http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu/files/head%3A/debian/patches/kubuntu-message-indicator/ [10:55] It's a different list from what I posted on my people page [10:55] for some reason, they are shifted by 1 [10:55] (your 0002 is my 0001) [10:56] and you are lacking my 0005, which adds the configuration ui [10:56] ok I'll update those [10:58] thanks [11:10] yay for kde microblog plasma widget being borke.... :/ [11:16] ++````` [11:16] jussi01: no never I don't believe you :P [11:17] davmor2: shush now :P [11:18] davmor2: Ive it configed fro twitter, but it leaves the configure buttone active on top of it, which is kinda annoying [11:18] jussi01: I think I bugged that ages ago I at least told Riddell if not :) [11:19] jussi01: also it doesn't display other peoples posts only your own :) [11:19] davmor2: ahh, I only just got to karmic now, hence I noticed it [11:34] So is it just me or is open office in kde lacking icons? [11:34] * jussi01 thinks theres a few bugs to reports here... [11:42] wait for 4.3.1 to see what's fixed there [11:44] Riddell: ahh, ok. can you tell me when thats due? (of course I can look myself, but if you know quickly thats appreciated) [11:44] jussi01: Tuesday [11:45] ahh, k. thanks ScottK [11:47] we'll probably upload tonight [11:47] Riddell: I did talk about it at the release team meeting on Friday, so people know it's coming. [11:48] yeah saw that thanks [11:50] Riddell: excellent. thanks a lot. [11:51] * jussi01 is looking forward to it, there are a lot of bugs still in the current karmic (expected of course, but itll be great to see them getting fixed) [11:55] also, real quick question, is there a reason the old koffice is still available in karmic? [11:55] ScottK: I'm mostly testing wubi today unfortunately ubiquity appears to be crashing at the end. Will test kne-wubi on my netbook shortly [11:55] Thanks davmor2. [11:56] ScottK: 2 days to install and update xp and it runs so slow :( [11:57] oh and the official atheros xp driver only supports wep and not wpa :) but xp is better than linux right :D [11:59] jussi01: the koffice devs don't want 2.0 in main [12:00] Riddell: is there a reason koffice needs to be in main though? [12:01] jussi01: On the dvd. [12:01] ScottK: ahh, ok. [12:03] Itlle be interesting to see what gets fixed in 4.3.1 as neither koffice, koffice kde4 or open office are currently in a close to usable state. [12:03] open office works fine [12:03] 4.3.1 won't touch any of those === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:04] Riddell: it does? hrm, my upgrade mustve borked something... [13:05] I have no icons, and several other UI inconsistencies... [13:17] I've seen icon issues in other apps too (Quassel) [13:18] ScottK: that still seems to be kubuntu problem though... maybe KDE's icon cache is stale after you stopped installing the icons we ship? [13:19] I've had bad experiences with KDE's icon caching before :) [13:23] remind me how to refresh the icon cache? [13:25] update-icon-cache ? [13:25] its definetly an update-* [13:25] No command 'update-icon-cache' found, did you mean: [13:25] Command 'update-icon-caches' from package 'libgtk2.0-bin' (main) [13:25] oh missed an s but it was very close hehe [13:26] I dont really want to install libgtk2.0-bin if I can help it... [13:26] jussi01: wouldn't help either [13:26] you gotta remove the cache file somewhere in your .kde4 [13:27] ~/.kde4/cache-$hostname/kpc/kde-icon-cache.* [13:28] hola i must remember this i have icon probs too and was wondering why [13:28] -_- [13:28] well, who knows if it helps with your problems :) [13:28] certainly helped with mine, but I'm not a kubuntu user [13:28] since when did we have a.kde4 anymore? [13:28] hmm i dont have the restart icon if an krnel is new or some others [13:28] jussi01: ...or wherever you guy have your $kdehome [13:28] *guys [13:29] * jussi01 hugs Sputand says thanks :) [13:29] jussi01: did it work? [13:29] got to test, work right this sec, brb [13:32] ScottK: Install inside windows option is still missing from the wubi install. I'm going to see if it is down to the drive space left being too small [13:34] ScottK: no not showing up on a real xp pc either so one for evand when he gets back I think :( [13:34] OK. Thanks for testing [13:35] ScottK: I'll have a look at a full install latter if I get the time if not then tomorrow to prep for alpha5 [13:36] * ScottK nods [13:42] Sput: Clearing cache didn't help and AFAIK it's just the quassel channel icons in the 'chat' list. [13:42] ScottK: you have stopped installing our icons for rc1, right? [13:42] I did. [13:43] ok, should still work of course [13:43] except they're missing from your oxygen somehow [13:43] But I did a test build where I put those back and it didn't help. [13:43] did it still work in the packages you had before? [13:43] I didn't try that. [13:43] well, you probably would've noticed :) [13:43] It does work with the same package built on Jaunty. [13:43] oh [13:44] But I'm shipping your icons in that one. [13:44] So it's officially weird. [13:44] ScottK: so maybe check your installation for /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/irc-* [13:44] do the icons work in the toolbar? [13:45] Gotta turn it back on ... [13:46] Yep [13:46] that makes it even weirder :) [13:46] so looks like only 16x16 is missing [13:46] (the toolbar uses larger ones) [13:46] Except they are present. [13:47] /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions$ ls irc-* [13:47] irc-close-channel.png irc-join-channel.png irc-operator.png irc-remove-operator.png irc-unvoice.png irc-voice.png [13:47] oh... wait [13:47] just saw something confusing [13:48] Also they render fine with gwenview, so I don't think it's a corrupt icon problem. [13:48] we have irc-channel-active in the code [13:48] now I wonder two things: why does it work here, and why did I pick that name? [13:50] Sput: isnt irc-channel-active the one for the blue "active" chans? [13:50] jussi01: One isn't provided by that name either in Quassel's Oxygen icons nor in KDE's. [13:50] heh [13:51] maybe that was nuno's original name? (guessing now...) [13:53] ScottK: it's provided in Quassel's icons in fact, but not in KDE [13:53] now I remember, it's slightly modified icons that Nuno never put in Oxygen for some reason [13:53] (prolly because we didn't poke him hard enough) [13:54] I don't see it at 16x16 in my rc1 tarball? [13:54] ScottK: in status/ rather than actions/ [13:54] Ah [13:54] So I need to ship that one. [13:54] I'll have a stab at the build system later today [13:55] we actually have a -DWITH_OXYGEN option in cmake [13:55] but never use it :) [13:55] OK. [13:55] Well for now I can adjust my build system to ship those. [13:55] yep [13:56] sorry for the confusion, I didn't remember that we still had some icons not in upstream KDE [13:57] ScottK: basically you want to ship all the icons in icons/oxygen_quassel [13:57] those contain the tray animation as well [13:58] I don't have that. I have hicolor, import, and oxygen under icons. [13:58] I think I'm going to make that clearer, move oxygen_quassel to oxygen and the things we import from kde to oxygen_kde, and allow for a build flag that doesn't install the KDE ones [13:58] interesting :) [13:59] aha, now I remember that other little details [13:59] *detail [13:59] they're in git, but not in the tarballs [13:59] well, I'm gonna fix this somehow. for now, status/ and animations/ should be shipped [14:14] Sput: All of animations or just the irc* ones? [14:14] ScottK: there should be only quassel_tray* ones? [14:14] if I'm not mistaken again :) [14:14] Sput: Right. Meant actions. [14:15] the irc-channel-* ones from status [14:15] should be sufficient [14:15] err status [14:15] OK [14:15] Got that set up. [14:16] you also might want to have apps/quassel_inactive [14:16] ScottK: obvious question but one I think you'll get lots of bug reports for how do I shut kne down? [14:16] Sput: I ship all the ones with quassel in the file name. [14:16] ScottK: ah ok. [14:16] davmor2: Touch the power button and you should get the logout/shutdown/restart dialogue [14:19] ScottK: I know but I can see lots of bug reports coming from it. I can see a lot of people looking for the off button :) [14:19] davmor2: We have one already. On the TODO. [14:19] ScottK: I figured it would be :) [14:20] Although I'm very tempted to keep it the way it is. [14:20] I netbook isn't meant to me just like a big computer. [14:20] I/A [14:22] ScottK: I think you would miss new user market if you did. Too many people are used to hitting windows/shutdown or of course the linux equivalent in order to shutdown their machine [14:22] Probably. [14:23] Alt+F2 -> "shutdown" -> Enter [14:23] :) [14:23] clicking things is so KDE3 [14:24] Touch power button. [14:25] Hit enter [14:25] clicking things is so ... normal [14:26] -_- [14:26] i didnt know we had biolocical interface settings owadays [14:26] :D [14:27] ScottK: that logs you out :P [14:27] Yeah. [14:27] Which doesn't, last I checked, work with Intel and kdm. [14:27] not shutdown :) [14:28] We probably ought to change that. [14:51] Sput: Fix uploaded. [14:51] cool :) [14:51] I'll stab our buildsys later today === m4v_ is now known as m4v [14:54] Hmmm... for frescobaldi, seeing that we're in FF, I'm guessing it won't be possible to sync rumor in from Debian. Therefore, should I remove the 'Suggests: rumor' line? [14:54] ryanakca: Unmet suggests are OK. [14:54] ScottK: OK [15:21] Tonio_: k3b extra codecs broken as it doesn't allow -unstripped52 packages and should [15:26] rgreening: needs a conditional dep, I agree, but howto ???? [15:26] ScottK: ^ any advice for Tonio_? [15:27] I have no option to do this since those deps are shbuildep.... [15:27] Tonio_: it used to work... [15:27] not sure what changed [15:27] rgreening: ffmpeg packages where changed [15:27] and renamed [15:27] -unstripped packages don't exist anymore [15:28] ffmpeg is what used to be unstripped [15:28] rgreening: new ffmpeg packages don't have those, check out the versions :) [15:28] ScottK: see with siretart, I worked with him on that point [15:29] ScottK: he reuploaded reintroducing the packages and asked me to change kubuntu-restricted extras to install the stripped ones [15:29] So what's the issue? [15:29] since there is very few differences according to him [15:30] He should know [15:30] ScottK: the issue is that the ffmpeg -dev packages have a conditional dep on libavcodec52 OR libavcodec-unstripped-52 [15:30] but, as k3b package uses shbuilddeps to build the deps, it'll only depend on libavcodec52 [15:30] ScottK: we could hardcode the deps, but that sounds a bit nasty [15:31] ScottK: shbuilddeps should know about conditional deps when they exist on -dev packages instead of just playing with ld [15:31] I don't think they do though. [15:31] So you get to write a debian/rules hack to fix it. [15:31] ScottK: I see there a limitation of the tools, so we can decide the good override [15:32] ScottK: at work right now, so I can ping siretart, but feel free to do so, and we can decide the best override later [15:32] we need to allow the unstripped and stripped I believe in order for some of the codec stuff to work.. but I could be wrong. [15:33] List unstripped first and then stripped so if they have the repo enabled they get unstripped. [15:33] ScottK: no ! restricted extras install the stripped now [15:34] OK [15:34] ScottK: this part was asked form all ubuntu restricted packages bu siretart, he should know more the real reason [15:34] ScottK: I just did what he asked me to do :) [15:35] Right [15:37] ScottK: ouch ! sorry for the keyboard issues [15:38] ScottK: I'm trying to get used to qwerty, that's pretty hard :) [15:38] Seems fine to me. I think I just automatically edit it as I read. [15:40] doesn't it defeat the point of restricted extras to depend on the stripped version? [15:44] I agree [15:47] you can work around shlibs if needed [15:48] oi oi [15:50] it's nixternal! [15:50] where? [15:51] catch him, don't let him get away...he needs to do some work around here! [15:59] agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/262566/ [16:00] quassel fail [16:02] Riddell: FYI, I did just update the quassel package this morning, so please base any upload on that one. [16:02] (just added some icons back in, so it won't affect testing) [16:03] Riddell: @phone [16:04] ScottK: yeah using bzr [16:07] Riddell: Cool. Just making sure. [16:07] agateau: you can have both WANT_QTCLIENT and WANT_MONO on, not sure if the CMake code takes that into account [16:10] back [16:11] Riddell: looks like I did not properly escape the desktop file path [16:11] odd that it builds on my machine [16:11] * agateau looks [16:12] yes, needs quote marks around it [16:14] Riddell: being able to have both WANT_QTCLIENT and WANT_MONO is annoying [16:15] Riddell: does the package define both? [16:15] agateau: It does [16:16] ScottK: so it create different binaries I guess [16:16] agateau: Exactly. [16:16] Then I need to find a way to have my define change depending on the binary [16:17] Riddell: Your Kopete trayicon change got a fair amount more grumbling while you were away over the weekend. Any thought about reverting it yet? [16:20] I still maintain my lifelong dislike of excessive tray icons [16:21] I don't see a purpose in the tray icon if the message indicator is on as it is currently [16:21] and we should have a meeting soon to decide if we want to keep it on or not [16:21] Riddell: mi is broken for tray icon stuff [16:21] rgreening: how do you mean? [16:21] try opening Kopete using mi [16:22] works for me [16:22] Riddell: Since it's fully configurable in 4.3, I think you should just let people that don't like it hide it. [16:22] it only works if the app main window is not hidden [16:22] i.e the app is running and window minimized. [16:23] whereas I like hiding the window with the app running. mi doesn't allow unhiding the app and raising the window, only the tray icon does that [16:23] so, if mi can do that, then we are ok, otherwise... [16:23] we have issues. [16:24] right, either Kopete should treat the Close button as a Close button and quit, or it should reappear from the message indicator [16:25] that should be entirely fixable n'est pas agateau? [16:26] Riddell: I hope so [16:27] rgreening: so what you do is click the "x" button, Kopete goes away and you can't bring it back with mi, that's it? [16:30] moderation required in #kubuntu [16:31] maco: thanks [16:31] i forgot to op myself before typing kick the first time :P [16:34] agateau: yeah [16:34] rgreening: but you can still see a Kopete entry in mi? [16:34] agateau: mi doesn't know it's running cause the window is hidden I guess. And yep, still in mi. [16:35] rgreening: I am afraid it's simpler than that: [16:35] agateau: same happens for Kmail/Kontact btw [16:35] rgreening: if systray is disabled, then clicking (x) cause Kopete to quit [16:35] rgreening: same reason I think [16:35] agateau: ps says it's still running for me [16:36] Riddell: strange [16:36] agateau: clicking X causes window to hide and app to remain running in background is what is desired, and mi to know about this. [16:36] it's also still listed in the message indicator which isn't the case after I killall kopete [16:37] I noticed that too. It requires a restart of mi to pick up this change (i.e. remove it and re-add it) [16:37] ^that was when the kopete icon was misbehaving though. [16:37] rgreening: what I fail to understand is how can your mi entry disappear if the plugin is enabled and kopete is running [16:38] agateau: do you have skype :) [16:38] agateau: the message indicator entry is still there for me [16:38] Riddell: ok, this makes more sense [16:38] Riddell: then I just need to figure out what is called when the systray is clicked and do the same [16:39] unhide() [16:39] :) [16:39] or .show() [16:39] lol [16:39] show() I expect [16:39] * agateau digs in the code [16:40] I think we need a way to notify the user that his app went into the mi [16:41] either a popup or a modal window [16:41] an animation would be nice too, but it requires a fallback for non-composite systems [16:41] * rgreening thinks we needs a "slurping" sound for when MI slurps the app in. j/k [16:41] :) [16:41] it currently has a not very elegant dialogue to tell the user it went into the systray, that could be adapted [16:41] Apparently notifications in the middle of the screen are all the rage in Ubuntu. [16:42] let's not do that. [16:42] smarter: I agree we need such a notification, not sure about the best way to implement this [16:42] agateau: Quassel MI lights up when I get pinged but the window doesn't come to the forground when I select it in MI [16:42] Riddell: is the window on another desktop? [16:42] Riddell: Got focus stealing prevention on? [16:42] agateau: no [16:43] ScottK: not that I know of [16:43] Riddell: It defaults on Low. [16:43] Which we might want to reconsider. [16:43] ScottK: mm, yes [16:44] if I change it to None it starts to work [16:44] I am getting a bit overflowed here :) [16:44] it's probably time to log those to LP [16:44] Riddell: Same problem with clicking on the notification. [16:44] agateau: yes, time for a bug tracker probably [16:44] ScottK: Riddell: yes, the problem is we can't use the kde api to bring app to front [16:45] or maybe we can... since we build with KDE support [16:45] check for -DWITH_KDE=ON ? [16:45] Something like this yes [16:45] agateau: There is an open bug asking for Qt only binaries too, so please do check for KDE=ON [16:46] ScottK: sure [16:46] it won't get upstream otherwise [16:47] agateau: did you post your patches to a kde ml? [16:47] smarter: that's actually next on my todo for discussing with agateau [16:47] I posted quassel patches to sput [16:47] okay [16:47] the konversation ones got posted [16:48] I posted some my api to detect support for action in notifications [16:48] kdelibs too, but that conversation isn't going so well. [16:48] but it's not going in I'm afraid [16:48] 'cause we still have no idea what upstream thinks of that [16:48] smarter: I also had good feedback from kmail devs on irc [16:49] BTW, is there an FFe approved for this MI patching? [16:49] ScottK: it was done before FF, am I wrong? [16:49] Now it's bug fix [16:49] agateau: I don't think so. [16:49] Adding MI support to an app I would think is a feature change. [16:49] they were except for this Quassel one which I've been late with [16:50] I can do a FFe [16:51] agateau: so bugs, we can report them on the ubuntu package and use a tag? [16:51] Quassel doesn't have a lot of bugs open on it, so a tag is probably overkill [16:52] Riddell: you are more used to LP than me, just tell me what feels better [16:55] apachelogger: having a crisis of faith? [17:06] agateau: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=message-indicator-kde [17:09] time to go [17:09] see you at 20:00 utc for udw [17:09] agateau: see you then [17:19] Sime_: Phil got back to us and said next Sip will be GPL by the way, so that's the licence issue there sorted [17:19] sweet [17:19] thanks you guys for that. [18:03] apachelogger: oh you just enjoy flame baiting don't you? :D [18:07] What'd he do now? [18:17] I see it now. [18:17] nixternal: Odd for you to suggest that. I guess it takes one to know one. [18:25] ScottK: :) ya, but I know to keep the flame bates off my blog...I just do it here on IRC...just ask sabdfl :p [19:02] ScottK: can you retry this: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eet/1.2.2-2 ? [19:03] lex79: I can [19:03] ok [19:05] although only if I manually add +retry to the end of the URL it seems [19:05] ~twitter update Plasmoid tutorial in #ubuntu-classroom in two hours [19:05] status updated [19:11] ooh, Quickly kind of looks groovy...though I think rickspencer3 might look at creating more work for you Riddell :) [19:11] though, I wonder how much of a benefit we would get from it over KDevelop and its templates? [19:11] kapptemplate is the equivalent [19:11] and he just answered my question in the classroom :) [19:12] and could do with being more slick [19:12] right [19:13] though having it tie into bzr and lp is what is pretty slick too [19:14]