[10:07] <maxb> Loggerhead appears fairly dead - lots of timeout messages
[12:50] <lfaraone> Hey, for a LP superproject, is it possible to define the default project selected when you go to https://launchpad.net/sugarlabs/+filebug ?
[12:51] <wgrant> lfaraone: No. Patches might well be welcome.
[12:51] <lfaraone> wgrant: Understood.
[12:53] <lfaraone> wgrant: is it a known issue that "register a blueprint" leads to a 404? (OOPS-1339EC244)
[12:56] <wgrant> lfaraone: That link has been braindead for a week now.
[12:56] <lfaraone> wgrant: fun fun.
[12:56] <wgrant> lfaraone: I don't know of a bug report, so maybe file one.
[12:56] <lfaraone> wgrant: lp-registry, right?
[12:57] <wgrant> lfaraone: I believe so.
[13:10] <lfaraone> kfogel: ping.
[13:10] <lfaraone> kfogel: (kiko told me to contact you re a potential trac -> LP migration for a mid-sized FOSS project)
[13:19] <lfaraone> wgrant: should https://bugs.launchpad.net/~janitor  time out?
[13:20] <wgrant> lfaraone: Nothing *should* time out, but it's not surprising that it does.
[13:20] <lfaraone> wgrant: okay. file a bug for that too?
[13:20] <wgrant> lfaraone: I suppose so.
[13:49] <lfaraone> There are no plans in LP to ever allow native git hosting on-par with bzr, right? (even if somebody submitted patches)
[14:14] <Ursinha> lfaraone, in my personal opinion, lp is too tied to bzr, so it would be needed *a lot* (imagine this blinking :P) of patches to add support to git
[14:14] <lfaraone> Ursinha: I see. But it'd be accepted if the work was done, no?
[14:14] <barry> danilos: ping
[14:15] <Ursinha> well, I can't answer that because no idea
[14:15] <danilos> barry: pong
[14:15] <Ursinha> maybe rockstar in a few hours
[14:15] <Ursinha> or abentley
[14:15] <barry> danilos: hi!  i have questions about translations (with my launchpad user hat on :)
[14:16] <danilos> barry: hey look, I am right behind the corner :)
[14:16] <danilos> barry: just kidding, shoot :)
[14:16] <barry> danilos: :).  so, i want to move all mailman translations to launchpad, but we have some complications
[14:17] <barry> danilos: the first is that our /current/ translations are mostly gnu copyrighted, but we don't have clear copyright assignments for all existing translations
[14:17] <abentley> Ursinha, lfaraone: That would be a question for management.
[14:17] <danilos> barry: don't tell me you are using non-standard PO file format, please, I hate that one :)
[14:17] <danilos> barry: phew, ok, copyrights, and easy one
[14:17] <barry> danilos: the other problem is the whole bsd licensing issue
[14:17] <lfaraone> abentley: Hm. How'd I go about asking them? :)
[14:17] <barry> danilos: yeah, you say that now :)
[14:17] <Ursinha> thanks abentley
[14:17] <abentley> lfaraone: Prefix your question with "flacoste:" :-)
[14:17] <danilos> barry: in general, if you've used TP (TranslationProject.org) so far, your translations are likely not GNU copyrighted, but in public domain
[14:17] <barry> danilos: nope, we are standard gnu gettext all the way!  (well, discounting our old crufty templates, but we're going to fix that)
[14:18] <barry> danilos: we really have never used TP
[14:18] <danilos> barry: in that sense, what LP does is slightly better for the user and community than what FSF does
[14:18] <barry> danilos: all translations until now have essentially been sent to us as patches, from our own language-specific teams
[14:18] <danilos> barry: ah, ok
[14:18] <danilos> barry: right, right
[14:18] <barry> danilos: we experimented with a donated pootle server but that never really got off the ground
[14:18] <lfaraone> flacoste: per abentley, if someone else were to do all of the work to integrate LP and git (on par with bzr support), would it be accepted?
[14:19] <danilos> barry: so, to be honest, translations copyright done right is basically an impossible task (derivative work, reusing TMs, etc.)
[14:19] <barry> danilos: i know :/
[14:19] <barry> danilos: i'm wondering what other official gnu projects do for translating on lp (are there any?)
[14:20] <danilos> barry: Launchpad doesn't try to improve on that situation in upstream projects much; only stuff submitted through LP is BSD-licensed so it can easily be integrated into any project whatsoever
[14:20] <barry> danilos: what i'm trying to work out is how to reconcile lp's bsd requirements with gnu's copyright assignments + gpl requirements
[14:20] <danilos> barry: if you do require copyright disclaimer to be sent to FSF, we do have GNU Translator group which will limit access to only those who are in the group
[14:21] <barry> danilos: so, does that mean, that there will be no translations done directly in lp?
[14:21] <danilos> barry: alternatively, we can also set up a separate mailman translation group
[14:21] <barry> danilos: and (sadly) not shared?
[14:22] <danilos> barry: nope, it means that anybody who wants to translate will have to be in a team that's part of that group (i.e. Serbian GNU translators; or, if we go with a separate group, Serbian Mailman translators team)
[14:22] <barry> danilos: i guess the question is whether those folks in the gnu translation group have blanket assigned /all/ translations to the fsf, or just those for a specific project
[14:22] <barry> danilos: gotcha
[14:23] <barry> danilos: if it's a blanket assignment, then i'd be happy to have mailman participate in that
[14:23] <barry> danilos: does that make sense, and do you know if that's the case?
[14:24] <danilos> barry: the thing is that there are not many people actively using that group
[14:24] <barry> danilos: so, do you think it makes more sense to have a mailman translations group?
[14:24] <danilos> barry: they do have blanket *disclaimers* out to FSF (i.e. they disclaim any copyrights on any translations they might contribute to GNU project)
[14:25] <barry> danilos: that might be okay
[14:25] <danilos> barry: yeah, mailman translations group is better because nobody is active in the gnu translators group
[14:26] <danilos> barry: and the burden of organization there is on us (i.e. to manually check if someone is allowed to start a team there)
[14:26] <barry> danilos: cool.  so i make translations 'closed' to just the (new) mailman translations group?
[14:27] <barry> danilos: and then we create language-specific teams inside that group; with memberships close to folks who have either disclaimed or assigned translation copyright to the fsf?
[14:27] <danilos> barry: 'restricted' is probably better, though you'd need to make sure that translation teams do not approve translations from people who have not done whatever they need to do
[14:28] <danilos> barry: yep, though note that translation group is not a regular team, it's a special object in LP which aggregates a bunch of teams assigned to different languages
[14:28] <barry> danilos: what's the practical difference between closed and restricted?
[14:31] <danilos> barry: on 'closed', people outside the group can't even make suggestions
[14:31] <barry> danilos: gotcha
[14:31] <barry> danilos: thanks, restricted sounds better
[14:32] <barry> danilos: two last questions.  on translations.edge.lp.net/mailman, it says "this project is not configured to use lp for translations", but i definitely enabled that in my project's details.  is this because i have not yet uploaded a .pot file?
[14:33] <barry> danilos: that's seems to be implied by the other text on that page, but it's a little misleading because it also says "You can change this in the project settings".  i've already done the latter but not the former
[14:33] <danilos> barry: yep, that's part of something we definitely want improved, but...
[14:33] <danilos> barry: I want to use the ajax-switch for official_rosetta flag, but just been busy with some other stuff
[14:33] <danilos> barry: also, please use bzr integration if at all possible
[14:34] <barry> danilos: oh yes, i definitely want to use bzr :)
[14:35] <barry> danilos: thanks, this is all great.  last question: can i cc you on a message i am going to send to mailman-i18n soon?  you don't have to respond unless it's to correct lies, distortions, misrepresentations, fibs, tall tales, and other nonsense in my message :)
[14:37] <danilos> barry: by all means
[14:38] <barry> danilos: fantastic, thanks for all your help!
[15:05] <jamone1313> Hello, does anyone know how I can delete a project from launchpad. Specifically I got LP installed of a test system of myne and I want to remove the test projects
[15:06] <beuno> jamone1313, not from the web UI, no
[15:07] <beuno> you can clear all the data by running "make schema"
[15:07] <jamone1313> that was the last command I ran before make run and all the test data is there
[15:08] <jamone1313> what command would I use to remove a specific project?
[15:08] <maxb> jamone1313: why do you want to remove the test projects? There's no reason to.
[15:09] <wgrant> It's rather difficult, as well.
[15:09] <wgrant> There's no easy way to do it.
[15:09] <beuno> jamone1313, out sysadmins use SQL, AFAIK
[15:10] <wgrant> beuno: Do they actually delete them?
[15:10] <beuno> wgrant, I think so...  not 100% sure
[15:10] <wgrant> All of the sampledata projects have stuff attached to the, so you'd have to delete all references first.
[15:10] <wgrant> == more trouble than it's worth
[15:11] <deryck> jamone1313, make schema didn't clear your data?  You are talking about the local .dev server via make run, right?
[15:11] <jamone1313> yeah sounds that way
[15:11] <jamone1313> yes
[15:11] <deryck> jamone1313, how did you enter the data?
[15:11] <wgrant> deryck: Sampledata, I suspect.
[15:11] <jamone1313> it cleares any projects I added via the Web UI but the sample data that's included is still there
[15:12] <deryck> jamone1313, ah, you don't want the sample data at all.  gotcha now, sorry misunderstood.
[15:12] <jamone1313> I just figured their might be a command to create a completely clean DB
[15:12] <wgrant> There isn't.
[15:12] <jamone1313> exactly
[15:12] <wgrant> That has probably only been done once.
[15:13]  * deryck looks closer at the code
[15:13] <wgrant> And a "completely clean" DB wouldn't really work. There are some objects that LP will die without.
[15:13] <maxb> jamone1313: you know the launchpad license basically forbids any of the use-cases in which you would want to have a completely clean db for, anyway, right?
[15:14] <jamone1313> no I didn't know that?
[15:14] <wgrant> The license of the Launchpad *images*, in particular.
[15:14] <wgrant> The code is fine.
[15:15] <jamone1313> ahh the images yes I know that
[15:15] <maxb> The code is AGPL3, the images are licensed for development use only - hence unless you hire a graphic designer, you've not got much hope of getting to a point where you can run an non-dev instance :-(
[15:16] <jamone1313> yeah, that I understand
[16:38] <sluimers> Hi there I got problem. My app file doesn't want to get into the package. -> http://tinyurl.com/kr52jz
[16:42] <deryck> cprov or noodles775 -- can one of you possibly help sluimers ^^ ?
[16:48] <sluimers> Should I show my makefile as well?
[16:48] <noodles775> sorry... just on a call atm.
[16:49] <noodles775> and will need to run straight after it ends... cprov will be back from lunch soon.
[16:49] <sluimers> It's okay, I'm aready glad my program builds
[16:49] <rowinggolfer_> from http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Starting_and_Running_a_Wiki_Website/Hosted_Wikis
[16:50] <rowinggolfer_> People who put their source code at SourceForge also get a free associated wiki.
[16:50] <rowinggolfer_> I want a wiki.
[16:50] <rowinggolfer_> I want that wiki on Launchpad.
[16:50]  * rowinggolfer_ knows he is not alone
[16:51] <exarkun> Is there work being put towards making Launchpad reasonably fast and reliable?
[16:51] <rowinggolfer_> exarkun: are you wanting to contribute?
[16:51] <rowinggolfer_> exarkun: there are lots of good folk working towards that goal
[16:51] <exarkun> No, I'm asking about what other people are working on.
[16:52] <rowinggolfer_> exarkun: your question was leading though...
[16:52] <rowinggolfer_> why would anyone work to make Launchpad slow and unreliable??
[16:52] <exarkun> Can I follow their progress somewhere?
[16:52] <exarkun> rowinggolfer_: I don't know why, but some people have done that.
[16:52] <rowinggolfer_> lol.
[16:53] <exarkun> rowinggolfer_: I'm not looking for a fight.  If you're offended by my question, I apologize.
[16:53] <exarkun> Any thoughts on my second question?
[16:53] <rowinggolfer_> where's the code hosted?
[16:53] <rowinggolfer_> ;)
[16:53] <exarkun> I don't understand.
[16:54] <deryck> exarkun, people are working on performance in different ways....
[16:54] <rowinggolfer_> https://launchpad.net/launchpad-project
[16:54] <rowinggolfer_> exarkun: have a look at that... you'll see exactly what these good folks are doing.
[16:54] <rowinggolfer_> it's quite humbling, actually.
[16:55] <rowinggolfer_> although I wish a wiki was forthcoming ASAP.
[16:56] <exarkun> It's hard to find the information I want in the 5501 open bugs against launchpad-project.
[16:56] <exarkun> I haven't used the advanced bug search feature very much, but I don't think there's much it can do to narrow things down either.
[16:56] <rowinggolfer_> exarkun: look in the code.
[16:56] <exarkun> Look in the code?
[16:57] <rowinggolfer_> https://code.launchpad.net/launchpad-project
[16:57] <deryck> exarkun, is there some specific info you're looking for?  Specific problems you want to see if they're being addressed?  Or just looking for general "we're working on performance in X ways" info?
[16:57] <exarkun> I don't want to read the source.
[16:58] <exarkun> deryck: The latter would be great.  A list of milestones (not necessarily with dates, but ordering/priority would be nice) would also be helpful.
[16:58] <rowinggolfer_> exarkun: I wasn't trying to be obtuse, by the way.
[16:58] <rowinggolfer_> it's a HUGE project, very hard to follow
[16:58] <rowinggolfer_> I agree with you there.
[16:59] <deryck> exarkun, we don't do milestones around an issue, i.e. performance, we do them around dev cycles.
[16:59] <flohack> Hi! I just got a 'Error '(22, 'Invalid argument')' during ftp transfer' while uploading a package to my ppa, does someone know about that error?
[16:59] <deryck> exarkun, see for example, https://edge.launchpad.net/malone/+milestone/3.0
[17:00] <deryck> exarkun, and too see all LP team milestones for this cycle, replace malone in that URL with launchpad-registry, launchpad-foundations, soyuz, rosetta, and launchpad-code
[17:00] <deryck> exarkun, launchpad-foundations might be a nice one to watch for general, overall performance work.  maybe there is a performance tag, too.
[17:00]  * deryck looks
[17:00] <exarkun> Is there a project page that lists all milestones that exist?  I haven't been able to find a link to a page like that.
[17:02] <deryck> exarkun, See this for performance tagged bugs for launchpad-foundations -- https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bugs?field.tag=performance (and apply to the other teams as you like)
[17:03] <rockstar> lfaraone, I can't speak for the LP stakeholders, but I don't think native git support in LP is something we ever plan on doing.
[17:04] <lfaraone> rockstar: Okay.
[17:04] <deryck> exarkun, the reason there isn't a page collecting all milestone is that Launchpad dev is broken down into various teams, each represented by a different LP project.
[17:04] <deryck> exarkun, see https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project for a list of projects, and follow to each to find milestones, bugs, etc.
[17:05] <exarkun> That looks like a page I've been looking for. :)
[17:06] <deryck> exarkun, excellent! :)
[17:30] <maxb> flohack: First thing to check would be does it reoccur if you try again
[17:32] <sluimers> Is cprov done with his lunch?
[17:32] <sluimers> I got problem. My app file doesn't want to get into the package. -> http://tinyurl.com/kr52jz
[17:32] <sluimers> got a problem.
[17:44] <cprov> sluimers: what can I do for you ?
[17:45] <sluimers> Like I have said, I'm trying to build an app on my PPA.
[17:46] <sluimers> And I'm stuck at the app simply not wanting to go in the package.
[17:46] <cprov> sluimers: and your source is not including the built files in its resulting deb, this is a packaging issue.
[17:46] <sluimers> So my deb only has the changelog
[17:47] <sluimers> yes
[17:47] <cprov> sluimers: it suppose the same happens if you try to build the source on your system.
[17:48] <cprov> sluimers: I think MOTU guys (#ubuntu-motu) can help you better than I.
[17:49] <sluimers> No, when I do make, make install, the app goes to debian/tmp/usr/games, where it's soppsed to be.
[17:49] <sluimers> supposed
[17:49]  * sluimers goes to ubuntu-motu
[17:50] <danilos> barry: oh, you've got clytie as one of the mailman committers, nice (she used to do many, many Vietnamese translations everywhere, and always had nice ideas about process improvements :)
[17:51] <rowinggolfer_> sluimers: post your MANIFEST.in file.
[17:52] <sluimers> I don't have a MANIFEST.in file
[18:06] <barry> danilos: clytie rocks
[18:07] <danilos> barry: yeah, she's great :)
[18:48] <lfaraone> wgrant or anybody else: if my project decided to move away from launchpad, can we request a bug questions etc export?
[19:20] <Andre_Gondim> hi, I have a question about rosetta: if I get a po file from a upstream project, when I upload that to rosetta, why the translations in this po aren't the current translations, but instead they stay as Packaged?
[19:24] <yann2> hi guys :) any idea when landscape is going to be back? can't see any entry in the planned maintenance tasks
[19:24] <yann2> Offline August 31st 18:00 UTC – 19:00 UTC    oh there found it.. ok :)
[19:53] <lbieber> I have a OpenSolaris Nehalem machine behind the Sun firewall that cannot complete a bzr branch command, it stalls out very shortly into the process.  See http://pastebin.flamingspork.com/93.   Any ideas on what can be done to get this working?   We have other OpenSolaris machines behind the Sun firewall that are working fine
[20:07] <Elwell> Hi folks - can someone tell me how (badly) integrated (or not) launchpad is with savannah based bug/patch trackers?
[20:08] <Elwell> I've been working on some CLI tools to work with our savannah instance and wondered if they would be of use for launchpad
[20:59] <Box> Am I doing something wrong, or is the keyserver down?
[20:59] <Box> $ gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys XXXXXXX
[20:59] <Box> gpg: sending key 8E48B5D2 to hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[20:59] <Box> gpg: keyserver timed out
[20:59] <Box> gpg: keyserver send failed: keyserver error
[21:00] <chris|> last time I checked, the ubuntu keyserver is read-only
[21:01] <fred93> i can send keys via console but not via seahorse or the http interface
[21:02] <Box> yeah, and http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/ times out for me too
[21:03] <Box> Ready only? The docs at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto say this is how to upload your keys
[21:05] <fred93> I'm having an issue with launchpad... i've imported my openpgp key and it says that it has sent me an email with instructions on what to do next but it has been a day and i have not got that email yet... is this normal?
[21:06] <SamB> fred93: it happens
[21:06] <SamB> you did check your spam?
[21:07] <fred93> just did, it's not in spam
[21:08] <fred93> my bad, it had a filter to skip that inbox. never mind
[21:25] <Box> So I've uploaded a package to my newly created PPA (as described at https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading) and it claims to have succeeded, but I don't see any activity on my PPA page nor have I received any emails regarding failure or whatever.
[21:26] <Box> What can I do to diagnose this weirdness?
[21:27] <Ursinha> Box, it generally takes some time to update the ui, I think..
[21:27] <Ursinha> but soyuz people may know better
[21:27] <Ursinha> or wgrant
[21:28] <Box> okay...it's been about three or four hours; is that enough time usually?
[21:28] <maxb> It should appear in the UI within 5 minutes, or not at all.
[21:29] <maxb> If the dput succeeds but you get no email about it, it usually means:
[21:29] <Box> By UI do you mean this page: https://launchpad.net/~jemhoff/+archive/ppa
[21:29] <maxb> * you didn't sign the .changes file
[21:29] <maxb> * you signed the .changes file with a key you have not told launchpad about
[21:29] <SamB> maxb: maybe launchpad should provide a link to this information from the page where it would appear ?
[21:30] <maxb> huh?
[21:30] <Box> ah, it probably didn't have my key yet
[21:30] <maxb> Box: yes, that is the page I mean
[21:30] <SamB> you know, so the user wondering why their upload hasn't appeared would have a link to a page explaining what you just explained?
[21:32] <Box> I'll verify it has my key and try again. Thanks very much!
[21:32] <maxb> It does seem to have a key for you
[21:32] <Box> well shoot
[21:33] <maxb> check that you did actually sign the .changes with the right key, and that the signature verifies
[21:37] <Box> gpg --verify seems happy with both the .changes and .dsc
[21:38] <Box> I'm going to try uploading another package; I was doing the key upload and build upload somewhat in parallel so it's possible I messed it up anyway
[22:01] <Box> maxb: That did it, thanks again for your help
[22:05] <hggdh> on bugs.edge, a greasemonkey script can get a 0 status code (instead of 200). This seems to be cause by a change in links: when querying -- say -- for karma, the URL is sent to edge.lp.net
[22:05] <hggdh> instead of bugs.edge.lp.net, as in stable.
[22:05] <hggdh> Is this already known?
[22:21] <pr1> hi, is there some way to change my launchpad username, even though I have an PPA?
[22:21] <pr1> probably by copying the user?
[22:26] <lifeless> post a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[22:26] <lifeless> it'll need an admin
[22:40] <pr1> thanks