[00:00] penguin42/blueskaj: was a brother wireless printer -- but furthermore my kde control panel printer module is totally busted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/331192 [00:00] Launchpad bug 331192 in kdeadmin-kde4 "KDE printer configuration app stopped working on Jaunty" [Medium,Fix released] [00:02] idyle, have you updated lately ? the kde printer GUIs are ok now , dunno about gnome tho [00:02] blueskaj: just did a full-upgrade but I have 8 broken packages, googling how to fix that one now [00:03] hm. could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/411574 too [00:03] Launchpad bug 411574 in pulseaudio "[karmic] No sound on Intel 82801H HD Audio" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:03] guess I'll just watch both and hope [00:03] blueskaj: nope, still broken [00:04] in system settings, idyle ? [00:05] blueskaj: yes, kde system settings -> printers gives the error described in that bug by "Tyler" [00:06] which kde version idyle ? [00:06] blueskaj: how to detect the version? [00:08] kde4 --version gives me nothing [00:09] just open konqueror or dolphin /help/about kde [00:10] blueskaj: 4.3.00 [00:11] hmm that's odd , my system settings/printer config GUI is opening [00:11] maybe a reboot is in order, if you just updated , idyle [00:12] to configure printers, you can use the web interface of CUPS: http://localhost:631/admin [00:12] EagleScreen_, have you ever actually tried to use that app ? [00:13] which app? [00:13] well ok wrong choice of words [00:14] EagleScreen_: That web interface is pretty grim [00:14] and old [00:14] I think it shoud work [00:15] it is not much harder than systemconfig-printer-kde [00:16] EagleScreen_: Yeuch - surely not [00:17] printer auto-detection and other stuff is inherit from this service [00:25] hmm, no need to worry about location aware browsing then - geolocation thinks I'm in London [00:29] westminster ? [00:33] well, I didn't look for detail - but to be fair I didn't check which [00:34] penguin42, cuz neotrace shows westminster uk [00:35] I can believe it; it's just central london - and I'm a couple of hundred miles from there [00:37] yeah sometimes mine shows Ottawa , Toronto and places in between [00:38] I'm 250mi from toronto and 400 mi from ottawa :) [00:45] Hi I just did an upgrade from jaunty to karmic and now I get errors in update manager when trying to remove install pdns-recursor, I have tried remove --force=yes any other suggestions on how to remove pdns-recursor from my system? === r0bby_ is now known as r0bby === Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch [02:18] hey does karmic use GNU Grub? [02:18] It can [02:18] Grub2 on a clean install.. [02:19] grublegacy on a upgrade [02:19] ok i ran a clean install on a vm...that should run GRUB2 right? [02:19] Should be using grub2 on a 'new' install. yes [02:19] it did use grub2 here [02:20] well i read the manual on gnu grub and it said that grub.cfg is the "new" menu.lst [02:20] but on my vm i still run everything from menu.lst [02:21] if you did a clean/new install.. there would of been no menu.lst [02:22] more /etc/grub.d/README [02:24] oh yea im doing it right now....menu.lst and at boot up grub says gnu grub version 1.96 i think it is [02:25] sounds like you some how got grub 1 installed... [02:25] I dont have a /boot/grub/menu.lst [02:27] is there a cmd to see what grub im using [02:31] never noticed such a command.. or needed one. :) [02:31] update-grub might give some info. [02:34] yea i restarted and it said gnu grub [02:34] the default grub menu on this box is 'grey/mono' colored i noticed.. [02:34] thats grub2 [02:37] man im sorry...im stupid...i was looking at my sources list by mistake and talking about something else...multi-tasking gone wrong...sorry again. [02:38] now im looking for grub.cfg [02:42] ugh [02:42] theres some grub files you do NOT manually edit any more [02:42] switching between windows is enough to screw up pulseaudio on this machine [02:42] more /etc/grub.d/README [02:42] causing 100% cpu useage in SDL game and sound crawling [02:43] grub2 basics -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 [02:43] , grub.cfg is not meant to be edited. [02:44] so what do you edit than [02:44] of course, pulseaudio has been screwed up pretty consistently [02:44] ibex/jaunty/karmic [02:44] but is especially bad right now :( [02:49] anyone else here have a STAC 9228 and use an external mic? [02:49] STAC = Sigmatel [02:51] no wonder dtchen isn't in here so often, with all of you badmouthing pulseaudio so much [02:52] well, I've been having trouble with an external mic in karmic [02:52] I'm confused between all the settings with alsaconf and gnome-settings manager [02:52] the internal mic works fine [02:53] if it's been screwed up for you for the past 4 distros, your sound hardware is junk. absolute garbage [02:53] no [02:53] it's new [02:53] the problem is new I think [02:53] well, there are lots of people whining about junk hardware not working right. it's junk, that's why it doesn't work right. go out and buy something good. [02:57] heh [02:58] Khronos: ah. I ahve a similar card, haven't tried mic yet, but it is generally screwed up [03:00] hmmm [03:00] SigmaTel STAC9227 [03:01] 18:42 < nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/400682 [03:01] Launchpad bug 400682 in linux "[Karmic stac927x regression] No sound after upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic" [Medium,Triaged] [03:01] 18:43 < nemo> that's probably me :-/ [03:01] 19:03 < nemo> hm. could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/411574 too [03:01] Launchpad bug 411574 in pulseaudio "[karmic] No sound on Intel 82801H HD Audio" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:01] 19:03 < nemo> guess I'll just watch both and hope [03:02] I'd swear pulseaudio has gotten worse in each release with this sound card :( [03:02] more and more unusable [03:02] I have sound, it's just the external mic [03:02] unless I fried it when I was doing experiments yesterday [03:02] which would be bad [03:03] I might've accidentally passed 12 volts through it for a very short time [03:03] but it wasn't working anyway [03:03] no, I don't think that's the problem [03:03] 'k [03:03] symptoms don't quite match mine, but then, looks like driver in general is not in good shape [03:04] it says "1 output, 1 input" [03:04] it should say, "1 output, 2 inputs" [03:04] so it's the driver [03:05] and when I look at the codec it says something like it's not there [03:05] Misc = NO_PRESENCE [03:05] no presents for me :( [03:07] this was a really old battery [03:07] so I don't think it got damaged [03:07] at least a year old [03:07] I've been putting up with half an hour of hellish sound in this game [03:07] static? [03:07] 'cause if I kill pulseaudio, the SDL game will crash [03:07] no. playing about one fragment of sound per second [03:07] nemo, kronos, i don't really now which is your problem, but i recently was triaging a bug with your codec, so maybe the workaround can be useful https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=4665 [03:07] while maxing out CPU on one core [03:08] i am unable to start gnome keyboard shortcuts. are others having this problem? [03:09] Khronos: this happens pretty much every time I tab out of the game window. [03:09] sound stutters. sometimes doesn't recover [03:09] no clue why, but, yeah, pulseaudio has been teh suck for me [03:12] this is perhaps unworkable. I'm going go try linux from a VM [03:12] bbiab [03:13] andresmujica: can't access that bug BTW [03:13] I get a front page [03:13] in w3m [03:13] click on guest session [03:13] ah [03:15] I sympathise w/ the decent soundcard thing. actually, I should just move my SB32 card from 10y ago out of my server and into this dell that I bought to support their linux program [03:15] apparently cheap 10y/o HW can still outperform intel pos onboard chips [03:15] hm. wonder if I can move the sound card w/o shutting the server down [03:15] if it isn't junk hardware, it's an alsa driver that's an absolute piece of dreck [03:16] you can't hot-swap a pci card [03:16] well. dunno who to blame, but I do know my sound experience in ubuntu has been worse and worse with each release [03:16] I leave it on pulseaudio for purposes of supporting ubuntu users [03:16] otherwise I'd rip that out [03:16] alrighty. lets see if the game behaves better since the openal rewrite in .12 [03:18] can't reproduce bug [03:18] so I guess it is SDL + pulseaudio [03:18] (again) [03:20] although even without that issue, my pulseaudio is clearly pretty mucked up [03:23] i can tell you dtchen is using a usb m-audio device [03:40] hi [03:40] before I do anything like more updates, I want to know, I just updated to karmic 9.10 for powepc now why are all the repo lines I have point to jaunty? [03:42] ShapeShifter499: were you using pinning in jaunty by any chance? [03:42] I'm sorry "pinning"? [03:42] guess not [03:42] dunno then :) [03:42] I just did a fresh reinstall of jaunty [03:43] than I updated to karic [03:43] *karmic [03:45] ok I'm going to reinstall again, before I do, what is better? installing jaunty than upgrade to karmic OR download karmic iso for powerpc arch and then do a fresh install with karmic? [03:46] well xchat works just fine in vm glad to see [03:48] hey how do you install guest addtionals under karmic in vbox [03:55] mount the iso image, run the install script from the command line [03:55] the iso is in /usr/share/virtualbox [03:59] ShapeShifter499: fresh install is always better [04:02] ok.....and I can mix and match packages from diffrent builds of ubuntu right? (ie 8.04 ibm-java installed on 9.10) [04:03] yeah, married wifes are less comfortable [04:03] umm no [04:03] @ ShapeShifter499 [04:03] ? [04:03] they tend to get mad [04:03] why? [04:04] because they are not updateable [04:05] i updated from dapper to karmic [04:05] but wouldn't they be update able if I included the repo the package(s) are on? [04:10] what I'm saying is, what if I wanted to install a package that worked(say ibm-java 1.6) and it was only available on medibuntu repo 8.04, its ok to install if it seems to not mess with other packages and if my current system is at a latter ubuntu distro(say 9.10)? [04:19] download the tarball with the dependencies [04:19] burp [04:20] burp landgasker [04:21] gbgbgt6bttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt7yb [04:21] mml .gn [04:21] .v [04:22] opps [04:22] is this a new programming language? [04:22] sorry [04:22] wrong window [04:22] looks like microsoft c# in year 2030 [04:23] lol [04:35] Can someone help me get Ubuntu 9.10 onto Fedora 11's boot list? [04:36] Onto the GRUB boot list [04:40] currently it alpha 4 right? [04:41] still, yes [04:42] *Cough* [04:42] Can someone help me get Ubuntu onto the GRUB boot list? [05:01] No. Clearly you have something more important than Ubuntu to tender to... like your illness. (Because you coughed). [05:32] why didn't fedora pick it up automatically? [06:16] Hello. Does anyone have problems getting their iPod recognized? [06:22] on what system [06:22] distro... [06:22] MindVirus2, ? [06:23] Pardon. [06:23] On Karmic, duh. :) [06:23] My iPod is recognized as a USB device. [06:23] Instead of as a media player. [06:24] do you have pics on it [06:24] and what kind of ipod are we talking [06:26] stlsaint: I'm sorry; I am not paying attention to my client. Could you please highlight? Sorry, again. [06:26] I have an iPod Nano 4G 16GB. [06:26] No pictures AFAIK. [06:28] i know amarok is ipod compatible...what program are you using... [06:28] stlsaint: it's not a program. On my desktop it is shown as a USB device. [06:28] Rhythmbox has no problem reading it anyways. [06:31] do you have ibgpod/GTKpod installed [06:32] stlsaint: I do. [06:33] sorry not familar with nano's whats the generation you have [06:34] 4G. [06:38] is libgpod updated [06:40] stlsaint: I keep my packages up-to-date daily. [06:40] type libgpod into repos and see what you have installed...there are a few there that dont come installed by default that you may need to install [06:40] ie..library's [06:40] stlsaint: this changed as soon as I got alpha of karmic. [06:41] also have you changed the way amarok or banshee or whatever program you use "see's" the ipod [06:42] No. [06:44] ok which program do you want to use...banshee or amarok [06:45] ... [06:45] Quite a variety you got there. [06:45] yea well these two are your best bets [06:45] No. They're not. [06:46] Actually, Banshee failed to read my iPod. Rhythmbox does not. [06:46] (Does not fail, that is.) [06:46] Rhythmbox is lighter and faster than Banshee, as well as better-supported. [06:46] thats y i ask if you changed the ipod options within banshee so that it can read and if you had all ipod libs up to date [06:47] .... [06:47] I don't use Banshee. [06:47] I can listen to my music fine. [06:47] Ubuntu fails to recognize it as an iPod. [06:47] Not my music player. [06:47] Ubuntu. [06:48] It won't auto-load Rhythmbox for me and instead opens it as if it was a USB drive. [06:48] oh ok...well ubuntu isnt going to read it as a ipod...thats what rythmbox is there for [06:48] every time i go to shutdown or restart, I get a message that programs are still running, and it shows nautilus four times, "deleting files" x3, and one "copying files". any ideas what is causing this? [06:49] stlsaint: Dude, do you know what you're saying? [06:49] I'm sorry, I don't mean to be a dick. [06:49] well you didnt give me exactly what the problem was till now...this whole time i thought you was unable to function with the ipod period...not that ubuntu mounted it as a usb device [06:50] When you plug a media player into your computer, in Ubuntu, an icon appears on your desktop telling you that the media has been auto-mounted. [06:50] stlsaint: I feel that I've been fairly verbose. [06:50] yes i know i too do this [06:50] yes you have with your last explanation... [06:50] stlsaint: Good. When you look at it, it shows an icon verifying that it is a media player. [06:50] When you plug a USB drive, it shows a USB drive. [06:50] Ubuntu shows me that my iPod is a USB drive. [06:50] So it treats it like one, instead of as a media player. [06:51] So it doesn't automatically open Rhythmbox. [06:51] let me hook mine up to karmic and see as i usually use jaunty...so we can be on the same page... [06:52] plus i use karmic in a vm so it might be slightly different [06:53] ebox packages are really out of sync [06:55] MindVirus2, ok i have a ipod touch and it mounts as a camera... [06:55] stlsaint: we're on the same page then. [06:56] oh, and Empathy is really bad compared to pidgin [06:56] kazagistarr, yes pidgin is better IMO [06:57] is there some way to read the channel message in Empathy? [06:57] MindVirus2, did it only do this in karmic [06:57] stlsaint: yes. [06:57] kazagistarr, sorry not a empathy user [06:57] kazagistarr, stlsaint: Nobody cares. They're going to use it anyways. I agree with you two though. [06:58] Empathy is the default client in Karmic. [06:58] could you send me the topic really quick, at least :P? [06:59] (01:59:22 AM) current topic is: Welcome to the Ubuntu Karmic Koala (9.10) discussion channel | Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system - LVM users should avoid 2.6.31-7.27-generic (#418514, fixed in -8.28-) | Schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule | Please join #ubuntu for all other support questions | Alpha 4 Released: www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 | 100 Papercuts: http://u.nu/9gvu [07:00] good ol cut and paste [07:01] Amazing that Empathy doesn't have it built-in. [07:02] MindVirus2, ok if you right click the desktop icon you can change the icon for it if you have a custom to choose from [07:02] I don't want to change the icon. [07:02] I want Ubuntu to open Rhythmbox automatically, like I have it set. [07:02] I told Ubuntu to autoload Rhythmbox for any media player. [07:02] and when you plug it up and karmic as you what to do you can have it auto mount to rythmbox [07:03] i just did it...but with banshee [07:03] just select other program>rythmbox>add> and select the check box to do this automatically [07:04] kazagistarr, you said ebox packages are out of sync...care to explain what you mean by ebox out of sync? [07:05] stlsaint: No. [07:05] I cannot. [07:05] Because Ubuntu loads it as a USB drive. [07:05] when you connect it for the first time you dont get a box asking you to open with a program [07:05] ? [07:06] No. [07:06] does anyone knows what is supposed to happen with bug 419264 ? [07:06] Launchpad bug 419264 in xorg-server "Uses 100% CPU with latest mesa/libdrm update" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419264 [07:06] Why does ubuntu-desktop depend on cups? [07:06] the upstream released th fix, but not yet in compiz [07:07] It should most certainly not. [07:07] well i must be honest im not sure what the issue is at this point...you said you had all libs/gtk updated and installed then im at a loss right now [07:07] stlsaint: welcome to the club. [07:08] Nice to have some company. [07:08] MindVirus2: ubuntu desktop depends on everything a default ubuntu system should ship with, right? [07:08] it is targeted to alpha-6 ! should I wait till 17/9 ? [07:08] I mean, printers are a good thing to have for most people [07:08] kazagistarr: no; a default Ubuntu system ships with ubuntu-desktop recommends as well as depends. [07:08] cups should be under recommends. [07:09] ah, right, I see [07:09] depends should only be for things that Ubuntu depends on. [07:09] Now I'm stuck with this fucking cups daemon. [07:09] Which I don't even need. [07:09] I hate it when my system has cruft. [07:13] MindVirus2, you have given me something to trouble shoot...my ipod touch is not read by karmic...i must further figure this out [07:13] stlsaint: tell me if you find anything. I'm too lazy to have any initiative. [07:14] alright...i last heard the touch was having little to no support...guess ill find out for sure now [07:25] night all === Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch === YDdraigGoch is now known as Guest71540 === Guest71540 is now known as YDdraigGoch [07:29] my fonts are displaying all weird. some of the letters look to be tinted purple and it's starting to hurt my eyes. [07:56] i found out I had subpixel smoothing turned on, that stuff drives me bonkers. don't know how anyone could possibly stand that. all your letters showing in crazy hues [07:57] I always disable the new font rendering on ubuntu [07:57] it's just killing my eyes, I need sharp fonts [08:04] I ended up doing "Grayscale smoothing" and "Full hinting", and it looks so much better. [08:04] hifi do you know how hinting works? vs smoothing? [08:20] i like ubuntu fonts ... my 0.02 [08:21] peepsalot: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/ubuntu-fonts/ I use this [08:30] what's IBus? [08:33] dpic_: apt-cache show ibus [09:52] anyone know how often new stuff is pushed to the Karmic repos? [09:57] edoceo: every day [09:58] multiple times per day? [09:58] yes, sometimes [09:58] It seems there's some things in the AM (for me) and some later, still some later as well. [09:58] yep [09:58] can't wait for new audio-manager in xfce! Thanks! [10:03] hey guys, i must have about 30 packages held back, is it safe to do a dist-upgrade? i'm concerned about the nvidia and kernel stuff. dont want it to bork my system :) [10:17] morning [10:17] I am having complaints from the kids that their karmic box locks up after just a few minutes on the web playing flash based games [10:18] I can still ssh to it and restart it [10:18] the mouse moves, but X does not otherwise respond, cant move windows or see any movement [10:18] anyone else seeing this? [10:30] AlanBell, i have not experienced that [10:31] AlanBell, is it 32bit or 64bit? [10:34] 32 bit [10:34] how much ram? [10:38] 512 [10:38] just trying to reproduce it myself [10:38] i think thats the issue [10:39] oh, actually it has a gig [10:39] ah okay, thats better. [10:39] firefox can eat up 300 or 500 megs of ram easily [10:39] it is an old P4 1.8 [10:39] I'm not getting any sound. [10:41] I've just plugged my new ipod into my laptop and opened up banshee. it doesn't seem to show up at all [10:42] how can I find out what's going on? [10:43] jml: I have the same problem. [10:43] jml: Ubuntu isn't recognizing your iPod as an iPod; it just sees it as a USB drive. [10:43] Banshee won't play from USB drives. [10:43] I see. [10:43] MindVirus1, do you know of a bug report I can look at? [10:44] jml: this is all speculation, BTW. Take a look at your desktop and tell me what icon your iPod uses. [10:44] MindVirus1, it's a drive icon. [10:44] As opposed to an iPod icon, yes? [10:45] jml: ^^ [10:45] MindVirus1, yes. [10:45] jml: We have the exact same problem. [10:46] My firm belief (though I could be mistaken (but I'm not)) is that Ubuntu fails to recognize your iPod as an iPod. I don't have any bug reports, but if you find one or make one, link me. [10:47] jml: if you'll notice, any autorun behavior you configured Ubuntu to perform when you insert a media player does not work; instead, it behaves like a USB drive. [10:47] I can't reproduce the lockup [10:47] but my kids can [10:47] probably the crappy flash games hehe [10:47] I think it must be a site specific issue with moshimonsters.com [10:47] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/podsleuth/+bug/382941 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/podsleuth/+bug/139226 seem promising [10:47] Launchpad bug 382941 in podsleuth "iPod not recognized by podsleuth" [High,Confirmed] [10:48] jml: excellent. [10:48] I can play bbc iplayer for 10 minutes no problem [10:50] No sound. Can I get some help? [10:51] Sorry. [10:51] Muted. :X [10:51] wow, hand it over to a kid for 30 seconds and she produces a full corrupt screen X crash [10:53] I can kill firefox remotely [10:54] and when I kill X remotely my ssh session dies [10:58] AlanBell: how did you kill X, sudo reboot? :) [10:58] eh doing an upgrade from jaunty now... [10:59] Daviey: nope, ssh in, ps|grep X then kill the pid [10:59] just did a fresh install; only did dist-upgrade after enabling all sources, and added like 8 small packages - htop nmap etc [10:59] :D [10:59] * neko prays to GNU/Linux godz [11:00] Does the microblogging app on the plasma desktop do twitter? if so, does anyone know how to set it up? [11:05] AlanBell: that is weird.. is ssh avaliable afterwards? [11:06] AlanBell: does it do the same if you /etc/init.d/gdm restart? [11:07] ssh isn't available afterwards [11:07] and gdm restart does the same [11:07] and it can't be reproduced without the assistance of an 8 year old [11:08] heh [11:08] AlanBell: i wonder if "sudo dhclient3" makes ssh work again.. but i wonder if you can get the 8 year old to run this :) [11:11] Daviey: can't do anything with the local machine apart from move the mouse [11:12] can't do ctrl+alt+F1 [11:12] use the special key combos to restart [11:13] sysreset or w/e [11:13] AlanBell: ah [11:13] sounds like it is in a really bad way [11:13] I used the big red switch [11:21] mm wants to remove a few... ::worries:: ::does it:: [11:36] anyone seen tracker constantly use >75%, mostly >95% cpu? [11:52] yeah, tracker... I have seen it spend a lot of CPU actually. Since it never worked (constantly churned the disk, but never found a single document when I tried to search anything with it) I uninstalled it myself. That was a good 6 months ago, though, but it sounds typical to me. [11:53] it used to work for me [11:55] trackerd has been removed from ubuntu-desktop anyways, so you don't get it on fresh installs I guess [11:55] heh, apport-gtk crashed when i tried ubuntu-bug `pidof trackerd` [11:56] oh [11:56] i didn't know that [11:56] and when apport crashes, maybe it tries to report a crash against itself and crashes and ... [11:56] it seems to work collecting info about itself crashing [11:57] * alankila hates apport: it takes like a minute to start and makes a bad, annoying experience worse: instead of just a software crashing there's intense disk churning to make the recovery even more sluggish. [11:57] "You have some obsolete package versions installed"--- [11:58] alankila: not really - it's supposed to help developers fix bugs. that's what you sign for using development releases. [11:58] usually after finishing a day's work I find 2-3 apport windows underneath the other windows, mostly about dead flash players. Hah. [11:59] kklimonda: right, but the tool could be more prompt about doing its thing. [11:59] 8] [12:01] the problems are most likely directly related to being written in python. Python is the new Java. It's slow to start and resource hungry. Nobody complains about this, for some reason, though. [12:01] alankila: I think that the current infrastructure makes it hard to display a neat dialog [12:04] alankila: not really, it's just that when a big application crashes it takes a while to dump all that memory to disk. And I don't think it can be made more verbose as it's done by kernel [12:04] seriously? But it takes like 1 second to write 80 MB to disk according to measurements? [12:04] alankila: i don't get why they want interpreters in the base system [12:05] well as a programmer I can answer that... C is irritating to program with. [12:06]