[00:00] <jkary> I am still getting "No metadata file in package '/home/jkary/Desktop/hello-python.zip'"
[00:01] <shtylman> Riddell: not that I know of :)
[00:01] <shtylman> we could be more like apple with less buttons ;p
[00:13] <nixternal> jkary: go into the directory hello-python...then type the following command to create the proper plasmoid file to install:
[00:13] <nixternal> zip -r * ../plasma-hello-python.plasmoid
[00:14] <nixternal> then do the following to try and install it:
[00:14] <nixternal> plasmapkg -i ../plasma-hello-python.plasmoid
[00:14] <nixternal> if that works, then give a quick:
[00:14] <nixternal> kbuildsycoca4
[00:15] <jkary> ok. let me try that
[00:17] <jkary> nixternal -  the zip -r command keeps thinking ../plasma-hello-pythonplasmoid is a file.
[00:18] <jkary> nixternal:  Found the problem.  * and ../plasma-hello-python.plasmoid params were reversed
[00:18] <nixternal> jkary: that's cuz I am a moron :)
[00:19] <nixternal> zip -r ../hello-python.zip .
[00:19]  * nixternal was mixing tar and zip there
[00:25] <jkary> nixternal: ok. no metafile issue this time BUT I get "Unknown Widget" window "Could not file requested component: python-app"
[00:27] <jkary> I have python version 2.6.2-0ubuntu1 installed
[00:31] <jkary> nixternal: Thanks for the help... Stil not quite working... but closer...  I need to go but I will try back later or tomorrow.
[00:48] <claydoh> when is alpha 5? wednesday>
[01:04] <Riddell> thursday
[01:09] <claydoh> Riddell: thanks
[01:10]  * claydoh works in a place with a hardcore web filter, web surfing is mostly a no-go, though somehow they overlooked irc :)
[01:16] <Riddell> I'm sure you can get http over irc
[01:22] <ryanakca> claydoh: Have an always on box at home? Set sshd to run on port 6667 and then use PuTTY to make a tunnel from there out to the WWW :)
[01:24] <claydoh> the point is I ain't supposed to be doing this @ work :)
[01:25] <claydoh> though I just found I have a vnc viewer here :)
[01:25] <claydoh> so I imagine that is open as well
[02:11] <ScottK> NCommander: ICE on armel: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eigen2/2.0.5-2/+build/1198413/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.eigen2_2.0.5-2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:34] <lex79> JontheEchidna:  launchpad bug 421187, can you do a fake sync please when you have time? thanks
[02:40] <lex79> ScottK: can you retry eet ?
[02:40] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eet/1.2.2-2
[02:40] <ScottK> Sure
[02:40] <ScottK> You don't want me to.
[02:40] <ScottK> Is the cause of the depwait fixed?
[02:41] <lex79> eet depends on libeina-dev (>= 0.0.2.062)
[02:41] <ScottK> lex79: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/eina/0.0.2.062-2
[02:42] <ScottK> Needs to get out of New.
[02:43] <lex79> ah ok I didn't know, now eina is New and when get out? Normally when happen?
[02:44] <ScottK> It needs an archive admin to look at it.
[02:45] <ScottK> Tomorrow is Riddell's archive day, so I'd imagine he'll do it tomorrow if no one gets to it before.
[02:45] <lex79> ok
[02:51]  * _3vi1_ is back.
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> Aside from bug 410128, translations (or at least spanish) are looking pretty rockin' here
[03:54] <lex79> It's fixed here
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> huh, maybe it's just spanish? that'd be weird
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> But I guess it's no less weird than any other translation bug we've had...
[06:04] <spstarr> conversion complete
[06:04] <spstarr> Sysinfo for 'segfault': Linux 2.6.31-8-generic running KDE 4.3.66 (KDE 4.3.66 (KDE 4.4 >= 20090828)), CPU: Intel(R)Core2DuoCPUT9400@2.53GHz at 800 MHz (5053 bogomips), HD: 59/93GB, RAM: 2005/3859MB, 158 proc's, 18.36min up
[06:05] <spstarr> the keyword #28-Ubuntu ;)
[06:12] <nixternal> quakelive is where it is at!
[06:13] <spstarr> i told you Fedora made me snap finally
[06:13] <nixternal> lol
[06:13]  * spstarr notes KNetworkManager in 9.10 is busted
[06:13] <spstarr> i have to use gnome nm-applet..
[06:13] <spstarr> i wonder if kde trunk KNM works..
[06:14] <spstarr> X crashes if you log out of kdm on intel
[06:26] <ScottK> spstarr: The Intel/KDM issue is known.
[06:26] <spstarr> ok
[06:27] <ScottK> knetworkmanager is working here.  Note that you want the one provided by plasma-widget-networkmanagement, not the old KDE3 one.
[06:27] <spstarr> plasma NM is unusable for me with WPA2
[06:27] <spstarr> doesn't even attempt connection, in KDE 4.4 plasma NM is so unstable the tooltip says DO NOT USE
[06:27] <spstarr> heh
[06:28] <spstarr> ScottK: how I force D-BUS to load nm-applet on startup
[06:29] <ScottK> spstarr: That package provides both a plasma widget and a systray app.
[06:29] <ScottK> You want the systray app.
[06:29] <ScottK> You can start it with knetworkmanager in your Konsole.
[06:29] <spstarr> im using nm-applet right now manually
[06:29] <ScottK> The plasma widget is the one that has the warning signs on it.
[06:30] <spstarr> isn't that plasma-widget-networkmanagement <
[06:30] <spstarr> ?
[06:30] <ScottK> It provides two things:
[06:30] <ScottK> 1.  Plasma-widget = broken
[06:30] <ScottK> 2. Systray applicaiton = ~working.
[06:30] <ScottK> Don't use the widget.  Use the systray application.
[06:31] <spstarr> i wasn't able to log in with the systray app
[06:31] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Working here.
[06:31] <spstarr> it saw my AP but i could not log into any AP
[06:31] <ScottK> Are you sure you didn't have the KDE3 one.
[06:31] <ScottK> That's known broken too.
[06:31] <ScottK> It should probably be removed from the archive.
[06:32] <spstarr> no KDE3 just 4 bits
[06:32] <ScottK> OK.
[06:32] <ScottK> Then a new svn snapshot is probably the best thing to try.
[06:32] <spstarr> i have trunk :)
[06:33] <spstarr> mind you mixing Kubuntu KDE 4.3 and SVN (4.4) gives weird results for some apps
[06:33] <ScottK> Yeah, not supported.
[06:33] <spstarr> KPackageKit breaks (the window is empty with buttons)
[06:34] <spstarr> im fine with it though, as I need KDE trunk for dev
[06:50] <spstarr> ScottK: heh i can run KpackageKit as root if i need it though since its not sharing same env
[07:00] <spstarr> ScottK: trunk works, they have fixed WPA2 it seems
[07:00] <spstarr> i dont need gnome nm :D
[07:06] <spstarr_> ScottK: trunk works, they have fixed WPA2 it seems
[07:06] <spstarr_> yes, knetworkmanager
[08:29] <sourcemaker> I have a problem related to the kernel 2.6.28: HUB cannot reset port... kernel panic
[08:30] <sourcemaker> with kernel 2.6.27 it works well
[09:57] <Riddell> doc___!
[10:02] <doc___> Riddell: hello!
[10:07] <markey> moin
[10:07] <markey> fyi, logout from KDE 4.3 is still borked here
[10:07] <markey> that's pretty major, no?
[10:08] <Riddell> markey: it is, there's two issues though, Intel graphics users get a crash which is X's fault, other users get a blocked logout which I can't test because I get a crash :(
[10:09] <markey> the latter for me
[10:09] <markey> it blocks
[10:09] <markey> somewhere in the middle of it
[10:09] <markey> it does shut down applications
[10:09] <markey> but then hangs somewhere
[10:10] <markey> canonical should sponsor you a second computer :)
[10:20]  * Sput "experiences" the "screen stays black" on logout too
[10:20] <Sput> though it's just the display that stays black here; the machine is still responsive
[10:32] <javi> good morning
[10:32] <Riddell> morning javi
[10:33] <javi> is 4.3.1 up already or do I have another repository added that shouldn't be using?
[10:33] <javi> :D
[10:34] <Riddell> javi: I just copied it over
[10:34] <Riddell> it's not announce yet though
[10:34] <Riddell> testers welcome
[10:34] <javi> Riddell: great
[10:36] <javi> Riddell: doing apt-get dist-upgrade holds kdebase-workspace-data
[10:37] <javi> Riddell: apt-get install kdebase-workspace-data request to delete policykit-kde, is it ok?
[10:37] <Riddell> that's fine
[10:38] <Riddell> hmm, but jaunty probably still has packages that depend on policykit-kde
[10:38] <javi> Riddell: at least not in my case, apt-get remove policykit-kde only removes policykit-kde
[10:39] <davmor2> Riddell: does that include breakers :)
[10:40] <davmor2> can I break it, can I, can I?
[10:40] <javi> Riddell: ok, dist-upgrading, cwp kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin marked to be deleted also :D
[10:43] <Nightrose> maco: Happy Birthday! :)
[10:43] <Nightrose> kubotu: order birthday package for maco
[10:43]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[10:43]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to maco and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[10:43] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday maco, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[10:43] <kubotu> Happy Birthday maco :D
[10:43] <kubotu> To your health!
[10:43]  * Nightrose pats kubotu
[10:48] <Riddell> javi: you'll need kdebase-workspace-bin installed, I'll fix the dist-upgrade with a transitional package
[11:05] <javi> Riddell: after dist-upgrade libxklavier15 & plasma-widgets-workspace are marked as automatically installed and not necessary anymore
[11:05] <javi> Riddell: but libxklavier15 has been installed in the previous dist-upgrade step
[11:06] <Riddell> yeah you want to keep those
[11:06] <Riddell> javi: do you have kdebase-workspace-bin installed?
[11:07] <jussi01> upgrading karmic currently borked, no? Im getting a load of 404's...
[11:08] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/263006/
[11:08] <javi> Riddell: ups forgot to install it
[11:09] <javi> Riddell: now it's ok
[11:09] <javi> Riddell: i'm going to logout, brb
[11:09] <Riddell> jussi01: try a different mirror
[11:10] <jussi01> aye, lemme try main one
[11:12] <jussi01> yeah, getting them now Riddell. thanks...
[11:18] <javi> Riddell: everything seems to be ok
[11:19] <javi> thank you packagers :D
[11:19] <javi> and ninjas in general :D
[11:23] <Riddell> phew
[12:35] <bakkdoor> Hi, you might remember me from last week, i was the guy talking about packaging kontact enterprise 3.5 for kubuntu. i created a ppa here: https://launchpad.net/~christopher-bertels/+archive/ppa if anyone is still using hardy and wants check it out, please feel free to do so and give me some feedback. jaunty packages will probably follow soon,  as well. thanks!
[12:45] <gribelu> hmm there's no kdebase-workspace-bin_4.3.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb in the Karmic repos yet. Still packaging?
[12:48] <gribelu> I downloaded it from launchpad
[12:52] <Riddell> gribelu: probably needs another publisher run to get it into the index
[12:52] <Riddell> bakkdoor: great, I'll take a look shortly
[12:53] <bakkdoor> Riddell: cool, thanks. if i'm doing anything wrong, please tell me. i'm still new to the whole packaging thing but the packages work on my machine :)
[12:59] <gribelu> You were right, the packages were uploaded. Thanks :)
[13:09] <jussi01> heh, kde wont start currently, seems some stuff missing. (accidentally restarted without checking everything was there... grrr)
[13:15] <ghostcube> :D
[13:18]  * jussi01 sighs and waits for everything to build...
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 381522 seems not to be fixed
[14:37] <ScottK> Looks like the binary got removed, but not the source.
[14:38] <agateau> Riddell: ScottK: seele_: any thought on the Ayatana notification mail on kubuntu-devel@?
[14:39] <ScottK> agateau: I'd like to understand the complexity of this.  I did send a reply, but it was from the wrong address and it got rejected.  I'll send it again.
[14:39] <agateau> ok
[14:40] <agateau> will reply on the list then
[14:41] <ScottK> agateau: Also I'd like to understand how you're going to with the fallback for actions.  It seems your patch for capability checking isn't getting very far upstream.
[14:42] <agateau> ScottK: yes, I think it can be forgotten
[14:42] <agateau> my idea on this is to patch knotify instead:
[14:42] <agateau> make it detect if it runs with an action-less notification server,
[14:43] <agateau> and discard actions in this case
[14:43] <agateau> won't affect Kubuntu
[14:43] <agateau> just Ubuntu + notify-osd
[14:43] <agateau> And does not alter kdelibs API
[14:44] <agateau> It's simpler this way in fact
[14:44] <agateau> no need to patch individual actions
[14:44] <agateau> s/actions/applications/
[14:45]  * ScottK thinks that's how we'd discussed at UDS, so sounds good.
[14:48] <agateau> cool
[14:50] <ScottK> I'd still like to see how complex the patch is and ensure we'll have help maintaining it, etc, but this is consistent with what we said we'd do.
[15:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Last two 4.3.1 packages for i386 are building now ....
[15:11] <agateau> ScottK: patch to discard actions from knotify should be simple
[15:11] <ScottK> agateau: Not just that, the entire plan you described.
[15:11] <agateau> ScottK: oh ok
[15:12] <agateau> Will post the patch today
[15:13] <NCommander> ScottK, I'll probably start nailing down KDE/armel at weeks end, but packagekit should hopefully fixed ASAP
[15:13] <ScottK> NCommander: I went and looked and I may have confused that with ia64.
[15:14] <NCommander> ScottK, well, we just had a mass giveback for armel
[15:14] <NCommander> ScottK, I think -Werror needs to be nuddered from the package
[15:14] <ScottK> NCommander: OK.  We didn't get a netbook live image for armel yet, so that's what I'm shooting for
[15:15] <ScottK> We were getting desktop alternates before.
[15:15] <davmor2> ScottK: there are some weird things happening with with kne if you click on configure in the comic strip on newspaper, you will note that you are instructed to click on new I think there isn't a button to click though is this just a temporary thing or should I bug it?
[15:16] <NCommander> ScottK, your building both armel+imx51 and armel+dove?!
[15:16] <ScottK> File a bug.
[15:16] <ScottK> NCommander: AFAIK, yes.
[15:16]  * NCommander can probably test dove at some point
[15:16] <NCommander> ScottK, I'm driving armel+dove development, which is where my time been going
[15:18] <Riddell> what's dove?
[15:29] <maco> thanks Nightrose
[15:36]  * apachelogger puts on his cape
[15:48] <nixternal> jeesh...just took a look at docs...painful
[16:06] <bakkdoor> Riddell: have you checked out the packages yet? no need to hurry - just wondering :)
[16:07] <Riddell> sorry still uploading kde-l10n
[16:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Last two packages for amd64 are building now, so it looks good there too.
[16:22] <bakkdoor> Riddell: no problem. :)
[16:26] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks for the sync :)
[16:27]  * spstarr pulls in today's kubuntu goodies
[16:28] <spstarr> 118
[16:28] <Riddell> we like to deliver
[16:28] <spstarr> busy bees indeed
[16:28] <spstarr> :)
[16:28] <spstarr> not including 10 initially blocked
[16:29] <apachelogger> hm, 2 bugs per package... a load of bugs introduced in one day :P
[16:30] <davmor2> apachelogger: only 2 not bad :)
[16:30] <davmor2> oh hang on I've not installed it yet :)
[16:31] <spstarr> Riddell: I added a KDE trunk desktop file so kubuntu's KDE doesn't break with KDE trunk (its my fallback incase trunk fails to start) :)
[16:31] <apachelogger> never say not bad unless youve seen it :P
[16:31] <apachelogger> "made the XML-files for KTouch, and send them to the upstream."
[16:31] <apachelogger> good thing report doesn't say where they were sent
[16:32] <apachelogger> cause they are sure as sun not at the kde-edu list
[16:32] <DasKreech> hi apachelogger
[16:32] <apachelogger> yo DasKreech
[16:32] <DasKreech> Hows it rolling?
[16:33] <apachelogger> got a place near university :D
[16:33] <spstarr> it's a very delicate balance too since they would share the same .kde4/.kde directory for config
[16:33] <apachelogger> quite crappy though
[16:43] <davmor2> Riddell: You got issues on live cd.  You have the kubuntu splash post login then you get a black screen with a white arrow not quite the Kubuntu desktop I've come to know :)  Unless your going for an all new minimal look :)
[16:44] <davmor2> alt-f2 works though so I now have a terminal :)
[16:44] <DasKreech> Isnt' that the point of places near university?
[16:44] <DasKreech>  To cater for starving students?
[16:45] <Riddell> davmor2: what happens if you start plasma-desktop?
[16:46] <yuriy> nice knm at least works for WEP now
[16:49] <ScottK> WPA too (here)
[16:49] <davmor2> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/263212 is the terminal output
[16:50] <Riddell> davmor2: and does it start?
[16:50] <davmor2> but I have a desktop now :)
[16:51] <davmor2> Riddell: there is still no install icon in the default folderview anymore either
[16:52] <agateau> ScottK: still haven't received your mail about Ayatana notifications
[16:52] <ScottK> Still haven't sent it.
[16:54] <spstarr> yuriy: WPA2 works in trunk
[16:54] <ScottK> Riddell: amd64 and powerpc are fully built with 4.3.1.  Might not be a horrible time to try to make some new ISOs
[16:54] <spstarr> assuming knetworkmanager is in playground
[16:56] <Riddell> davmor2: anything in /var/crash ?
[16:57] <davmor2> yeap 2 ticks
[16:58] <Riddell> ta da kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3.1
[17:00] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 422659
[17:01] <Riddell> "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page."
[17:02] <Riddell> davmor2: can you make it public?
[17:02] <davmor2> doing so now
[17:02] <davmor2> public now
[17:05] <davmor2> Riddell: is that okay for you now?
[17:06]  * spstarr re-enables his dormant launchpad account from 2005 :)
[17:21] <rickspencer3> so I hear through the grapevine that today's the day to try the Kubuntu netbook version
[17:22] <nixternal> rickspencer3: every day is that day :)
[17:22] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 422667 is the other obvious one :)
[17:23] <nixternal> though, we are still waiting for some packages to finish
[17:23] <nixternal> building
[17:23] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, that isn't even the new version of kdelibs
[17:23] <Riddell> rickspencer3: less brave men would wait two days for the alpha release :)
[17:24] <davmor2> Riddell: it's what is on todays daily-live iso
[17:24] <Riddell> rgreening: what's the status of usb creator? (for the desktop team meeting report)
[17:24] <DasKreech> rickspencer3: Tomorrow will be the day to file bugs. Followed by the sequel to that day :)
[17:25] <davmor2> rickspencer3: is insanity infectious if so can you please take a step back
[17:26] <davmor2> Riddell: work in jaunty :)
[17:35] <rgreening> Riddell: it's working again. It was completely broken for a bit.
[17:36] <Riddell> rgreening: usb-creator-kde is all working?
[17:36] <rgreening> Riddell: there are some limitations though... Format option broken in both gtk and kde (doesn't create FS after creating partition - this is a backend.py issue for evand)
[17:37] <nixternal> Riddell: do I need to FFe kubuntu-docs?
[17:37] <rgreening> Riddell: choosing ISO instead of using CD/DVD-ROM doesn't work. again a back-end issue for evand to resolve for gtk and kde version
[17:37] <Riddell> nixternal: any new features in it?
[17:37] <Riddell> surely just new strings
[17:37] <nixternal> nope
[17:37] <Riddell> nixternal: I'd say no then
[17:38] <rgreening> Riddell: So, I've disabled the "Other" and "Format" buttons until such time as they start working again.
[17:38] <nixternal> Riddell: roger that...going to upload first release for karmic so we can get the translation templates rolling
[17:38] <rgreening> Riddell: So, burning the ISO to a DVD and using it to power the creator works.
[17:39] <rgreening> Riddell: I also have some issues with persistance. I'm testing now, but it seems that changing the persistance value breaks the install to USB stick.
[17:40] <rgreening> Riddell: version 0.2.4 is what you need for these changes/fixes and work-arounds. evand is back tomorrow, so I hope to prod him on the other items to fix, as they affect the gtk version as well.
[17:40]  * rgreening thinks thats a pretty good update for Riddell :P
[17:41] <Riddell> thanks rgreening
[17:41] <rgreening> :)
[17:41]  * rgreening does the homer dance 'woop-whoop-whoop-woop'
[17:42]  * apachelogger thinks workspace packaging needs to be revised since it creates an enforced dep on akonadi
[17:42] <apachelogger> bad idea IMHO
[17:42] <apachelogger> meanwhile you might enjoy soulwax' remix of kids by mgmt
[17:43] <DasKreech> rgreening: isn't that Zoidberg?
[17:43] <rgreening> DasKreech: homer did it long before... :)
[17:44]  * rgreening is oldschool and old
[17:44] <DasKreech> Well yeah 1000 years before that's not fair
[17:44]  * apachelogger agrees
[17:44] <rgreening> Homer J Simpson...
[17:44] <apachelogger> Homer Jay Simpson!
[17:44] <rgreening> not Homer with the Iilyiad
[17:44] <rgreening> haha
[17:45] <DasKreech> Yeah but Futurama is 1000 years in the future :)
[17:46] <rgreening> rite.. my bad :)
[17:46] <rgreening> lol.. see old...
[17:49]  * spstarr kicks launchpad, let me in!
[17:50] <Riddell> spstarr: #launchpad should have people to help if you're having troubles
[17:50] <spstarr> na , just slow :)
[17:50] <apachelogger> as is all the intarwebs
[17:50] <apachelogger> I hate KDE release day
[17:51]  * spstarr looks at the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[17:51] <DasKreech> Not as bad as buntu release day
[17:51] <apachelogger> seems to make every server slower than usually
[17:51] <DasKreech> Makes torrents happy
[17:52] <apachelogger> ...roophies...
[17:53]  * spstarr looks at ruphy
[17:53] <spstarr> thats one simple Code of Conduct ;)
[17:53] <apachelogger> launchpad slow, kde slow, youtube slow ... that is a nightmare alright
[17:54] <ruphy> bu!
[17:54]  * apachelogger throws cookies after ruphy
[17:54] <ruphy> yay! cookie
[17:55] <ruphy> s
[17:55] <rgreening> Riddell: seems that (for me) using persistence option breaks in my tests. Can anyone else test? ScottK or nixternal or apachelogger seeing you all have netbooks for testing :) Make sure you are using 0.2.4 usb-creator-kde
[17:55] <apachelogger> in return I want freaking promo and all :P
[17:55] <apachelogger> rgreening: presistence option?
[17:55] <rgreening> If I disable persistence, I get a working bootable install USB stick. With I do not.
[17:56] <DasKreech> Hi ruphy  how are you feeling?
[17:56] <rgreening> apachelogger: install usb-creator-kde. It's in the gui. used for saving settings to stick if user wants a distro for on the go.
[17:56] <rgreening> but it's broken ATM (but I need testers to verify its not just me)
[17:58] <ruphy> DasKreech: well... i'm at tokamak 3 :-)
[17:58] <nixternal> rgreening: it is not just you dude...that was driving me nuts and I couldn't figure it out
[17:58] <nixternal> rgreening: that was on my desktop
[17:59] <rgreening> nixternal: ok. choosing no persistence works for me. Unless I can fix it right away, I'm going to disable persistence for now. At least it will yield a working stick without it.
[17:59] <nixternal> right, I don't use the persistence anyways
[17:59] <bakkdoor> Riddell: i have to go now, i'll be back tomorrow though. you can give me some feedback on the packages then, if you like. good bye :)
[18:00] <rgreening> evand may be able to offer some advice on a fix... I expect the same is broken for gtk version (uses same backend ot generate this).
[18:03] <nixternal> sebas: thanks for the dedication to Emma, you made my day :)
[18:03] <DasKreech> ruphy: Yeah but I heard that you weren't feeling that well
[18:03] <ruphy> ah yeah
[18:03] <ruphy> i'm soo much better
[18:04] <sebas> nixternal: :)
[18:04]  * spstarr is jealous of ruphy
[18:04] <spstarr> Tokamak 3 :(
[18:04] <apachelogger> you know, I wasn't even invited
[18:05] <apachelogger> I barely get invited these days :|
[18:05] <sebas> apachelogger: become a plasma developer then
[18:05] <sebas> It's not a birthday party :P
[18:05] <apachelogger> I did a plasmoid once :P
[18:05] <sebas> close call then :P
[18:06] <apachelogger> well, I'll consider that ... but first I need to get some vision on ebay or amazon
[18:07] <apachelogger> though I should become kdelibs haxx0r probably, the kdelibs bugs in lp don't seem to be moving a whole lot :S
[18:07] <spstarr> hehe
[18:07] <spstarr> sebas :)
[18:07] <sebas> apachelogger: kdelibs/plasma then :>
[18:08] <apachelogger> more like kdelibs/kdecore :D
[18:08] <davmor2> Riddell: knm still doesn't like my wep setup :(
[18:08] <davmor2> however open and wpa work fine still :)
[18:09] <apachelogger> nixternal: so, since you got rid of all the minions .. fancy MIRing some stuff?
[18:09] <spstarr> is there a reason Kubuntu installer doesn't support LVM partitions for install?
[18:09] <nixternal> apachelogger: a bit busy right now beating documentation in to shape
[18:09] <apachelogger> spstarr: does from alternate cd
[18:09] <nixternal> what all needs MIR?
[18:09] <nixternal> can't we find someone else to do that?
[18:09] <spstarr> alternate.. apachelogger why is that separate?
[18:09] <apachelogger> nixternal: bug 409104
[18:09] <nixternal> perfect low hanging fruit task :)
[18:10] <apachelogger> spstarr: to keep the live cd installation simpler I suppose
[18:10] <spstarr> that it does, yes :)
[18:10] <apachelogger> spstarr: I am not sure, lack of vision might be related though ;-)
[18:10]  * apachelogger fixes up step
[18:11] <apachelogger> uhhh, electrometal in amarok
[18:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: today I like amarok, good app that is :P
[18:11] <Nightrose> hehe
[18:17] <apachelogger> apturl with KDE frontend uploaded to karmic
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger++
[18:20] <rgreening> Riddell: version 0.2.5 of usb-creator (UNRELEASED) addresses the persistence issue (I disable it in the UI for now until a proper fix can be found).
[18:20] <rgreening> I expect something deeper may be at fault, but Im no expert in that area...
[19:05] <DasKreech> spstarr: LVM takes up ilike 40 Megs I thikn
[19:14] <apachelogger> !MIR
[19:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: please poke apturl through binary NEW
[19:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, how is plasma-widget-googlecalendar more social fromt he start?
[19:19] <DasKreech> apachelogger: It shows you when parties and sprints that apachelogger has been invited to are scheduled
[19:19] <apachelogger> I am not getting invited to anything as stated earlier
[19:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's social if not quite from the start
[19:21] <apachelogger> how is it social?
[19:21] <apachelogger> doesn't it just show the google calendar data?
[19:22] <Riddell> oh ok it's integration with online services which is what the phrase really means
[19:22] <apachelogger> lol :D
[19:22]  * rgreening invotes apachelogger to Newfoundland :)
[19:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: strigit-client can go from the seeds I suppose? configuration should happen through nepomuk really
[19:23] <apachelogger> rgreening: what would I be doing there? Oo
[19:23] <rgreening> whatever.. you are now invited to something :)
[19:23] <rgreening> haha
[19:23] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:23] <nixternal> how much longer until 8.04 is EOL for us? couple more weeks? yesterday?
[19:23] <nixternal> I don't want to fix a bug that is in 8.04, so I would rather just close it :p
[19:24] <apachelogger> just close it due to lack of resources :P
[19:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: hey, you wrote apturl-kde in python!
[19:25] <Riddell> I'm surprised you didn't port it to ruby
[19:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose can attest that I was close to doing that :P
[19:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there another client?
[19:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: strigi?
[19:25] <Riddell> yes
[19:25] <apachelogger> well, nepomuk
[19:26] <Riddell> hmm, and how is that used?
[19:26] <apachelogger> there is a kcm someplace
[19:26] <apachelogger> actually
[19:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: what calls itself strigi client is much more of a management app
[19:27] <apachelogger> with very unfortunate interface
[19:27] <apachelogger> just start it :)
[19:29] <Riddell> mm
[19:29] <Riddell> well I guess it can go indeed
[19:30] <DasKreech> Hmm can I outvote apachelogger or would I have to outvote rgreening ? :-)
[19:30] <apachelogger> outvote?
[19:30] <rgreening> ?
[19:30] <rgreening> ya? for?
[19:30] <DasKreech> You invoted apachelogger ;-)
[19:30] <apachelogger> oh :D
[19:30] <apachelogger> yay
[19:30] <rgreening> lol
[19:31] <rgreening> hahaha
[19:31] <apachelogger> strigi is eating my ccpu
[19:31] <rgreening> s/vote/vite/g
[19:31] <DasKreech> I don't quite understand what no support for Kubuntu means in this case
[19:31] <DasKreech> I always read it as Canonical will not offer paid support
[19:31] <DasKreech> but is kubuntu-desktop going to be pulled from the servers?
[19:31] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:32] <DasKreech> For the most part isn't being "not supported" in this state conjecture unless you fronted cash?
[19:32] <apachelogger> and there goes the memory
[19:33] <Riddell> DasKreech: it means no security updates (and hardy had updates for kdelibs and kdegraphics the other day) and you can't buy telephone support
[19:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I could do telephone support :)
[19:33] <DasKreech> Ok when was the last KDE3  security update?
[19:33] <DasKreech> apachelogger: I'll do skype support :)
[19:34] <rgreening> * Hola, apachelogger support line... Do you use Ruby? No? <CLICK>
[19:34] <rgreening> :P
[19:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am adding kubuntu-firefox-installer (needs promotion, MIRs for it + all deps approved) and apturl-kde to the seeds
[19:34] <apachelogger> removing strigi-client
[19:35] <apachelogger> is bluetooth working again?
[19:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: I got it talking to a bluetooth mouse the other day
[19:36] <Riddell> so it's not completely useless
[19:37] <DasKreech> Is there a systemsettings management for services run at startup?
[19:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[19:37] <apachelogger> DasKreech: yeah, somewhere
[19:38] <apachelogger> in the admin tab AFAIK
[19:38]  * apachelogger thinks that we should make more packages use LZMA
[19:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: seed changes pushed
[19:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, do I need a special dep when using runtime UIC in pykde?
[19:51] <spstarr> apachelogger: ya
[19:52] <spstarr> apachelogger: .xz is the future
[19:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: don't think so
[19:52] <spstarr> time to say bye to bzip2 :)
[19:52] <apachelogger> spstarr: yep yep :)
[19:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: k, thx
[19:54] <spstarr> :)
[20:18] <apachelogger> anyone knows additional search providers for kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts?
[20:19] <apachelogger> if someone does, please add :P
[20:22] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: how about using LZMA for all of KDE-CDBS?
[20:23] <apachelogger> didn't cause any problems for core KDE, did it?
[20:25] <Riddell> don't we already?
[20:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: badu
[20:25] <Riddell> the chinese search  engine
[20:25] <apachelogger> I only add it to the core KDE .mk file
[20:26] <apachelogger> we could also use LZMA for larger packages only
[20:26] <apachelogger> like amarok, digikam and ktorrent
[20:28] <spstarr> apachelogger: - depend on compositing <-- this isn't likely for a while
[20:28] <apachelogger> spstarr: huh?
[20:28] <spstarr> your blog posting :)
[20:28] <spstarr> oh someone's comment
[20:29] <nixternal> is there something up with dh_install? I must be missing something and it is driving me nuts with kubuntu-docs
[20:42] <davmor2> Riddell: I don't like your 3g connection manager how the hell do I know the number of my 3g device
[20:42] <apachelogger> lol
[20:45] <davmor2> apachelogger: I'm serious the gnome one asks for your country and network done up and working
[20:46] <davmor2> unless of course that has changed too
[20:46]  * davmor2 races of to check
[20:46] <apachelogger> yeah, you got a point, I just find the issue itself quite funny
[20:47]  * JontheEchidna starts updating the alpha4 release notes to alpha5
[20:49]  * apachelogger pokes shtylman into doing the kubuntu-installer-style package
[20:49] <davmor2> apachelogger: four question now country,provider,internet or phone, check settings type window and up and running
[20:49] <apachelogger> vs. one number ... clearly the number should be faster if you know it :P
[20:50] <davmor2> apachelogger: actually there is a full form to fill in
[20:50] <davmor2> have a look :)
[20:50] <apachelogger> oh my
[20:50] <apachelogger> I better don't, I might end up ranting
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> What's new in alpha5 besides OOo KDE4 integration?
[20:53] <DasKreech> Social calendar :-)
[20:57] <apachelogger> yeah, social google calendar :D
[20:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: feedback plasmoid, though I wonder if that is added by default, otherwise I wonder why it is in the seed to begin with
[20:57] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:57] <apachelogger> should go to bed
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> nini
[20:57] <DasKreech> Is tracker still disabled on startup?
[20:57] <apachelogger> will be around next week or so
[20:57] <apachelogger> going to hospital *shudder*
[20:58] <apachelogger> DasKreech: tracker?
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> tracker? ain't that gnome stuff?
[20:58] <DasKreech> Yeah
[20:58] <apachelogger> we aint got no tracker?
[20:58] <DasKreech> It's disabled at startup for the Kubuntu CD
[20:58] <apachelogger> huh
[20:58] <apachelogger> fun :D
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> ah darn, looks like copy/pasting wiki pages does not carry over attachements
[20:59] <apachelogger> DasKreech: don't see it in the seed files, maybe it is pulled in by something
[20:59] <apachelogger> DasKreech: I am sure JontheEchidna will look at it in depth :D
[20:59]  * apachelogger waves
[21:00]  * JontheEchidna doesn't see anything that'd pull it in offhand
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> ha, nobody set up a feedback page for alpha4
[21:01] <DasKreech> JontheEchidna: It's just message I noticed in dmesg might be some standard rubbish that assumes Gnome
[21:33] <nixternal> kubuntu-docs .deb file has all of the files in it, but when I do dpkg -i it doesn't install the files...it installs some, but not all...and it doesn't crash/error out...any ideas?
[21:34] <DasKreech> Nope I've been having funky ass errors with dpkg/apt since the other day
[21:34] <DasKreech> I currntly have a package I can't query install or remove but it complains about it every time i do anything
[21:36] <nixternal> ahhh, figured it out
[21:37] <DasKreech> I just ignore it :)
[22:33] <DasKreech> How does disconnected IMAP work?
[22:33] <DasKreech> Changes I make locally aren't reflected on the server?
[22:56] <ryanakca> DasKreech: Is that in KMail? I'm not sure if it's the same thing, but with offlineimap it syncs changes made to the server and local changes... so if I delete a message locally, it gets deleted on the server, if I move one on the server, it gets moved locally.
[23:16] <DasKreech> ok