[14:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is NCommander.
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[14:00] <ogra> moo
[14:01] <lool> Hey
[14:01] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090901
[14:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090901
[14:01] <plars> oink
[14:01] <lool> plars and I are finishing a call
[14:01] <paulliu> hi
[14:01] <lool> and done
[14:01] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[14:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[14:01] <NCommander> woof
[14:01] <lool> dyfet, persia, GrueMaster: ping
[14:02] <GrueMaster> pong
[14:02] <bjf> o/
[14:02] <lool> Hey Brad
[14:02] <NCommander> welcome to the party bjf
[14:02] <bjf> hey lool :)
[14:02] <dyfet> here
[14:03] <ogra> party ?
[14:03] <ogra> where are the drinks ?
[14:04] <ogra> and crackers, i want crackers!
[14:04] <NCommander> ogra, I thought you were bringing them
[14:04] <lool> NCommander: lets start
[14:04] <ogra> gah, you didnt add an action item for that
[14:04] <NCommander> [action] ogra to bring the drinks and crackers
[14:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to bring the drinks and crackers
[14:04] <lool> i'm calling stevenk
[14:04] <ogra> :P
[14:04] <ogra> to late ...
[14:05] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/338148 (co)
[14:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/338148 (co)
[14:05] <NCommander> c/o. again.
[14:05]  * GrueMaster wonders why he got up for this?
[14:05] <ogra> what a surprise :P
[14:05] <NCommander> I'll find some time to look at this
[14:05] <lool> I just rang a couple of times at stevenk's home since its 11pm
[14:05] <NCommander> [topic] # NCommander to rewrite arm-softbootloader-spec
[14:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  # NCommander to rewrite arm-softbootloader-spec
[14:05]  * StevenK shores
[14:05] <NCommander> c/o, didn't get to it
[14:05] <NCommander> shores?
[14:05] <lool> hey StevenK :)
[14:05] <ogra> NCommander, better than stranding
[14:05] <StevenK> NCommander: It's what waves do at the beach
[14:06] <NCommander> I thought a shore was where the ocean and land met ...
[14:06] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to document dove bringup
[14:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to document dove bringup
[14:06] <NCommander> Done
[14:06] <ogra> thats the noun
[14:06] <lool> URL?
[14:06] <NCommander> Looking for it
[14:06]  * ogra waits for it :P
[14:06] <NCommander> wiki being very slow
[14:06] <ogra> excuses
[14:07] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarvellDoveKarmicInstall
[14:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarvellDoveKarmicInstall
[14:07] <NCommander> [topic] GrueMaster to retest on i386 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809
[14:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster to retest on i386 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809
[14:07] <ogra> hmm, why didnt you put it in the ARM namespace ?
[14:07] <NCommander> ogra, mostly because it didn't occur to me
[14:07] <GrueMaster> indefinite co
[14:07] <NCommander> ok
[14:07]  * NCommander strikes it
[14:07] <lool> Pff my status update script is broken for some reason
[14:08] <NCommander> [topic] Specification review
[14:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Specification review
[14:08]  * NCommander kills his pager in real life
[14:08] <lool> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~lool/mobile-status.html
[14:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~lool/mobile-status.html
[14:09] <lool> http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/burndown.png is improving
[14:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/burndown.png is improving
[14:09] <lool> we're still pretty late though
[14:09] <ogra> that shouldnt be a diagonal line :)
[14:09] <lool> Well the problem is that the bars arent normalized
[14:09] <ogra> rather a logarithmic curve :)
[14:09] <lool> But your brain can do it if you picture it real hard
[14:10] <ogra> from a distance, yes
[14:10] <NCommander> lool, I'm partially to blame, I keep adding work items as I find there needed :-/
[14:10] <plars> parabolic
[14:10]  * NCommander has added a slew of them to his specs
[14:10] <plars> is it bad when your burndown chart has an apex?
[14:10] <StevenK> parabolic would never meet
[14:10] <StevenK> OMG, we would never finish
[14:10] <ogra> NCommander, dont do that ... solve them rather :)
[14:10] <lool> dyfet: where's the lxde meta to sponsor?
[14:11] <dyfet> Finally people came back, with LOTS of changes for the meta & seed, but only now over the weekend.  I am going to integrate, test, and upload after the soft freeze window on Friday
[14:11] <lool> dyfet: Could you hand the meta to someone so that we can push it to universe ASAP
[14:11] <NCommander> lool, well, that burndown change is taking in account some specs which probably should finally be marked deferred like arm-softbootloader
[14:11] <ogra> NCommander, up to you to mark it like that
[14:11] <dyfet> Okay...its in a bzr branch, so its also very easy to hand off...
[14:12] <lool> [action] dyfet to get lxde-meta sponsored
[14:12] <lool> NCommander: ^
[14:12] <NCommander> [action] dyfet to get lxde-meta sponsored
[14:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  dyfet to get lxde-meta sponsored
[14:12] <NCommander> dyfet, I can sponsor it if need be
[14:12] <lool> ogra: on rootstock, did you file upstream bugs on the qemu issue?
[14:13] <NCommander> dyfet, although you need an FFe at this point
[14:13] <lool> ogra: kirkland might be able to help here I would guess
[14:13] <dyfet> Then I need to at least verify a subset that are relevant to fixes...I can do that in about a hour
[14:13] <ogra> lool, kirkland doesnt know about the userspace version
[14:13] <ogra> lool, no upstream bugs yet
[14:13] <ogra> i simply didnt do any work on it after the upload
[14:13] <lool> StevenK: the unr wubi spec as been on "requires testing" since weeks (months?); you cant do the testing yourself?  Do we need to ask for someone's setup/help?
[14:13] <ogra> i want to have proper straces before filing an upstream bug
[14:14] <lool> ogra: Would be good to file an upstream bug ASAP if we want to fix it before release
[14:14] <ogra> but imx51 is taking up my time atm
[14:14] <ogra> lool, will do directly after A5
[14:14] <StevenK> lool: I don't have access to a Windows install that I'm allowed to modify -- I've asked NCommander and GrueMaster and I'm still waiting ...
[14:15] <lool> NCommander, GrueMaster: ^  are you blocked on testing for some reason?
[14:15] <NCommander> lool, the only Windows machine on physical hardware I can use I only just got permission to do so. That being said, I confirmed wubi does work properly on Wine, and gets are far as setting up the installer
[14:15] <GrueMaster> I don't have a Windows install readily available, but I have a licensed CD.  I've been spending most of the last couple of weeks fighting with my netbook (lost cause) and babbage issues.
[14:16] <lool> NCommander: Using UNR?
[14:16] <lool> StevenK: is that good enough?  ^
[14:16] <NCommander> lool, yeah
[14:16] <GrueMaster> For me to test it requires swapping out drives in my laptop, reinstalling Windows, then testing.
[14:16]  * NCommander has to do something simiar
[14:17] <StevenK> I'll look at doing something different
[14:17] <StevenK> I'll report back next meeting
[14:17] <lool> GrueMaster: On the UNR karmic spec, StevenK got the CD size below 700 MBs by removing langpacks but is waiting for your input if there's seed stuff he can change to gain space; how's your investigation progressing?
[14:17] <paulliu> Hi.
[14:17] <plars> seems like this could be tested well in a VM
[14:17] <lool> hey paulliu
[14:17] <StevenK> plars: I don't have a Windows license
[14:17] <ogra> paulliu, you are ...
[14:17] <lool> plars: I'm pretty sure that's how the wubi / u-i folks do it
[14:17] <GrueMaster> I'm going to focus on that this week, since I am unable to do much testing.
[14:18] <NCommander> StevenK, use an evalution version of Windows
[14:18] <ogra> lool, are 700MB really needed for UNR ?
[14:18] <lool> StevenK: FYI there's the xscreensaver stuff listed on the spec as assigned to you
[14:18] <ogra> will cost us a lot of translations
[14:18] <StevenK> lool: And if you check, it's already done
[14:18] <lool> ogra: basically all except ja or something like that
[14:18] <ogra> lool, but why ...
[14:18] <lool> ogra: That said if desktop can do it we should be able to as well
[14:19]  * ogra doesnt see a need to make it fit on a CD
[14:19] <lool> StevenK: if you could update the blueprint I wouldnt have to check  :)
[14:19] <StevenK> ja is on ship because it's like 1.5Mb
[14:19] <lool> "Drop xscreensaver-gl and possibly more xscreensaver stuff (stevenk) [2 hours]: TODO"
[14:19] <Hobbsee> lool: launchpad is slow to ye old australia.  It'd still be quicker for you to look it up and do it ;)
[14:19] <lool> StevenK: Updated the spec now
[14:19] <ogra> rss-glx
[14:19] <GrueMaster> ogra: the idea is that a cd is easier to hand out at trade shows and other events.
[14:19] <ogra> GrueMaster, as a DVD is
[14:19] <lool> Hobbsee: eh
[14:19] <ogra> and we wouldnt restrict us so much
[14:20] <GrueMaster> cds cost 1/8 that of of a dvd.
[14:20] <ogra> but you could fit 1G on them :)
[14:20] <ogra> having all translationms on the image is a big advantage
[14:20] <lool> plars: I dont remember: did we agree to push the test driver to the Ubuntu archive for mobile-unr-karmic-compliance-autotesting?
[14:20] <ogra> would be sad to give that up
[14:21] <StevenK> I've had both lool and davidm saying get the image below 700Mb
[14:21] <plars> lool: no, it's just going in a bzr branch
[14:21] <ogra> StevenK, bah
[14:21] <GrueMaster> I agree.  That's why I want to look to see what junk is installed unnecessarily.  Like the cd burner software (which is still there btw).
[14:21] <plars> lool: I don't see any benefit to packaging it
[14:21] <lool> plars: mobile-qa-karmic-unr still says plan testcases, write needed tests, organize tests etc.: TODO; is this accurate?  Is this partially done?
[14:21] <ogra> GrueMaster, but that wont free up much ...
[14:21] <StevenK> GrueMaster: Are you reporting that from an upgraded image, or a daily?
[14:22] <GrueMaster> daily.
[14:22]  * StevenK checks
[14:22] <lool> plars: if it's a binary it means it will be transitioned if we go through a transition
[14:22] <plars> lool: mostly, just because it's not complete... in retrospect, it would have been better to break that down better
[14:22] <GrueMaster> I don't do upgraded images, which unfortunately is why my netbook is down.  My SSD finally called it quits.
[14:22] <lool> plars: Also it ensures people get lp built binaries and you get things like a source package bug page
[14:22] <plars> lool: it's not binary
[14:22] <lool> Ok
[14:22] <lool> plars: I guess it's not a big difference then
[14:23] <GrueMaster> Is there a reason we have multiple topics currently in discussion?
[14:23] <lool> I personally prefer using packaged things when possible as it allows me to add/remove stuff cleanly, but for a special app like this it's ok
[14:23] <NCommander> brb
[14:23] <StevenK> GrueMaster: Because we can fit more into the meeting if it's multi-threaded
[14:24] <lool> plars: Are we going to complete mobile-qa-karmic-unr for beta though?
[14:24] <GrueMaster> yea, but at 6am, it doesn't take much for me to get lost.
[14:24] <plars> lool: shouldn't be a problem
[14:24] <lool> paulliu: No progress on mobile-unr-karmic-application-res I guess?  too busy with moblin stuff?
[14:24] <lool> plars: OK, great
[14:24]  * StevenK uses a laser pointer to distract GrueMaster 
[14:25] <paulliu> lool: Yes. But I'll make some progress this week.
[14:25] <lool> GrueMaster, StevenK: Do you guys have any questions on spec status or anything you'd like to highlight WRT specs?
[14:25] <paulliu> lool: Bug fixing. I like it.
[14:25] <lool> paulliu: Cool thanks
[14:25] <GrueMaster> no
[14:25] <lool> paulliu: Note that UI freeze is approaching and might block further work
[14:25] <lool> I'm done with my Qs personally
[14:26] <lool> Any other Qs pending?  Everybody done digesting spec status?
[14:26] <paulliu> lool: Ubuntu Karmic 2 bugs left. Other are upstream works.
[14:26] <lool> ogra, dyfet
[14:26] <lool> paulliu: Ok cool
[14:26] <ogra> none from me
[14:26] <dyfet> nope
[14:27] <lool> NCommander: moving on?
[14:27] <StevenK> He did say 'brb'
[14:27] <NCommander> I'm back
[14:27] <ogra> heh
[14:27] <NCommander> Um
[14:27] <StevenK> Someone gaffa tape him to his chair for the meeting?
[14:27] <NCommander> StevenK, what am I supposed to do when the doorbell rings, ignore it?
[14:28]  * ogra goes shopping for some gaffa, brb
[14:28] <NCommander> [topic] any other business
[14:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  any other business
[14:28] <StevenK> NCommander: Works for me
[14:28] <ogra> :P
[14:28] <lool> StevenK: I had added Review of seed changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap I think we're up-to-date
[14:28] <lool> NCommander: What about bugs?
[14:28] <NCommander> ah
[14:28] <lool> StevenK: Is this correct?
[14:28] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[14:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[14:28] <NCommander> I thought I sent that one
[14:28] <StevenK> Although, if someone is ringing my doorbell at 11:30pm, I'm going to answer with a curse
[14:28] <lool> StevenK: I think we're also up-to-date WRT to UNR upstream releases into karmic
[14:28] <NCommander> [topic] bug #422414  	 Icons too dark with Dust
[14:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #422414  	 Icons too dark with Dust
[14:29] <StevenK> Hah, my bug
[14:29]  * ogra hands Hobbsee a lamp
[14:29] <Hobbsee> thanks!
[14:29]  * Hobbsee could use that, with half the lights in this room gone
[14:29] <ogra> and a towel to wipe off the dust
[14:30] <Hobbsee> lets just say it made for *very* interesting debugging of network manager at university yesterday, when I couldn't see it.
[14:30] <ogra> heh
[14:30]  * ogra sees it if the screen is at full brightness
[14:30] <lool> StevenK: is this really UNR specific?
[14:30] <Hobbsee> it was
[14:30] <StevenK> lool: Sure it is
[14:30] <lool> Ok
[14:30] <ogra> lool, well, its theme specific
[14:30] <StevenK> lool: UNR is the only thing that uses Dust + Humanity
[14:30] <lool> StevenK: Are you working on it?
[14:31] <lool> Oh sorry I was looking at anothe rbug
[14:31]  * lool is confused
[14:31]  * StevenK waits for lool to be unconfused
[14:31] <lool> StevenK: Did you raise this to Neil or someone maintaining the themes?
[14:32] <lool> StevenK: Could you?
[14:32] <StevenK> Certainly
[14:32] <lool> Ok thanks
[14:33] <lool> What I had loaded was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ibus/+bug/420282
[14:33] <lool> That one didn't seem UNR specific
[14:33] <NCommander> [topic] bug #420282  	 ibus is in "other" category in the menu
[14:33] <lool> I see it under the desktop too
[14:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #420282  	 ibus is in "other" category in the menu
[14:33] <StevenK> I'll be investigating that tomorrow with -desktop
[14:33] <lool> unsubing unr and removing tag
[14:33] <lool> Cool
[14:33] <StevenK> So leave it for the moment
[14:33] <lool> armel bugs
[14:33] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-armel
[14:34] <StevenK> It could be a launcher issue
[14:34] <lool> ogra: Still nobody around for oo.o?
[14:34] <ogra> i researched the sound device issues yesterady
[14:34] <NCommander> [topic] bug #417009  	 all openoffice apps die in 'com::sun::star::ucb::InteractiveAugmentedIOException' on armel in karmic
[14:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  bug #417009  	 all openoffice apps die in 'com::sun::star::ucb::InteractiveAugmentedIOException' on armel in karmic
[14:34] <NCommander> oh
[14:34] <ogra> oo.o is raised with davidm
[14:34] <NCommander> I guess we're not doing it that way
[14:34] <lool> ogra: Could you ask rickspencer today?  he wanst at the release team meeting so i couldnt ask him myself
[14:34] <ogra> he will talk to rick
[14:34] <ogra> he wanted to do it himself
[14:34] <lool> ok cool
[14:34] <lool> ogra: tomboy, waiting for upstream?
[14:35] <ogra> i will do more research on the mxcfb bug soon to add proper straces for usplash
[14:35] <lool> ogra: 418265 Warning in ehci-hcd.c:911 on kernel 2.6.31-5-imx51  did kernel team ack?
[14:35] <ogra> no
[14:35] <ogra> and the description is wrong
[14:35] <ogra> needs an update, GrueMaster mind to do it ?
[14:35] <lool> ogra: Mind if I make you bug master for tracking the mx51 specific bugs?
[14:35] <GrueMaster> Thought I already had.
[14:36] <ogra> tomboy is waiting for me to find time, lokely after A5
[14:36] <lool> ogra: I mean in this case GrueMaster filed it but it's easier if you're just tracking everything imx51
[14:36] <ogra> i do
[14:36] <lool> Ok cool
[14:36] <lool> ogra: Could you sort out bug title with GrueMaster and move it on the kernel team's plate?
[14:36] <ogra> yep
[14:36] <ogra> its a weird one though
[14:36] <lool> i intend to work with kernel team to setup a more explicit process but for now it's going to be "manual"
[14:36] <ogra> apparently only GrueMaster has such issues
[14:37] <ogra> cool
[14:37] <lool> ogra: 420447 > assigned, fine
[14:37] <lool> 391588 > banshee; dyfet: what's the progress here?
[14:37] <ogra> yep and milestoned for A6
[14:37] <GrueMaster> I haven't retried it since I am now able to image a SATA drive.  Will retest later today, but I doubt I'll see a change in the results.
[14:38] <dyfet> I was in the middle of a new core dump for that...
[14:38] <lool> 383240 > ffmpeg opts: lool you're fucking late on that one
[14:38] <ogra> heh
[14:38] <lool> lool: Ack
[14:38] <lool> thunderbird/385325 I shall ping asac, he's back now
[14:39] <ogra> half of it will be solved if we switch default options, no ?
[14:39] <ogra> (ffmpeg that is)
[14:39] <lool> ogra: 420555 mxcfb > whats up?
[14:39] <lool> ogra: no it's for NEON
[14:39] <lool> we dont turn on NEON
[14:39] <ogra> ah
[14:39]  * ogra points ^^^
[14:39] <lool> 15:35 < ogra> i will do more research on the mxcfb bug soon to add proper  straces for usplash
[14:39] <lool> ok
[14:39] <ogra> right
[14:39] <lool> plars, GrueMaster: I added ~ubuntu-moblin to the mix
[14:39] <ogra> so we see which syscall is at fault
[14:40] <lool> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[14:40] <plars> lool: thanks
[14:40] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-moblin is empty for now though
[14:40] <ogra> bugfreee !!!
[14:40] <lool> Ok; I think we're done with bug review; are we?
[14:40] <lool> Did I miss any?
[14:40] <lool> Any comments/questions/other bugs?
[14:40] <NCommander> I think you got them all
[14:40] <lool> Any other bug which is not tracked for karmic and should be
[14:40] <bjf> I have 2 questions:
[14:40] <bjf> 1. ogra has the "BabbageImageFrromScratch" wiki page, will there be a similar one for Marvell Dove (i'm requesting one)
[14:40] <bjf> 2. there will be no support for z0 boards?
[14:40] <lool> (>= high that is)
[14:40] <ogra> we'll surely see lots once the images are properly tested
[14:41] <lool> bjf: We wont release an image for z boards but we're happy that you put together a kernel package for it as that allows people with one to install 100% from archive
[14:41] <ogra> bjf, 2) no there will be perbuilt image
[14:41] <NCommander> bjf, one exists for using images which we should have today or tomorrow
[14:41] <plars> lool: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-moblin-remix/+bug/420664 doesn't show up on either of your moblin queries
[14:41] <ogra> bjf, for 1) i can lend NCommander a hand
[14:42] <bjf> ogra, lool, NCommander thanks
[14:42] <lool> bjf: Basicallly we try to support older platforms like babbage 1 or dove z0, but it's best effort and in this case adding an extra pass to build a special image for z0 would be a lot space + time
[14:42] <ogra> lool, well, DoveImageFromScratch would solve it
[14:42] <NCommander> lool, well, we could create a netinstall z0 image pretty trivially, its just a config file in d-i
[14:42] <NCommander> s/netinstall/netboot/g
[14:42] <ogra> but that needs to be written :)
[14:42] <bjf> lool, I understand the issue, it's just that there are not enough Y* boards to go around
[14:42] <lool> bjf: Reasons being that we'd need another level of differenciation on cdimage (armel+dove and armel+dove+z0), double the QA time etc. etc.
[14:42] <lool> bjf: Agreed
[14:43] <lool> bjf: this is being slowly fixed though
[14:43] <bjf> lool, any news on more Y* boards?
[14:43] <lool> NCommander: Oh sure do that if you like
[14:43] <lool> NCommander: Can you action yourself to create a DoveImageFromScratch and a netboot install for z0?
[14:43] <lool> bjf: Anmar and I are discussing with Mvl but it's very complex
[14:43] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to create netboot install for z0
[14:43] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to create netboot install for z0
[14:43] <lool> they are short of Y boards and cant provide as many to cover all our needs
[14:43] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to create DoveImageFromScratch
[14:43] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to create DoveImageFromScratch
[14:43] <bjf> lool, ack
[14:43] <lool> There are many params in place
[14:44] <lool> bjf: Youre on top of the list for a y1 though for obvisou reasons
[14:44] <lool> bjf: Does that answer your questions?
[14:46] <lool> bjf: i guess it did :)
[14:47] <lool> NCommander: AOB?
[14:47] <NCommander> [topic] Any other business
[14:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business
[14:47] <lool> NCommander: mind pinging njpatel next week at beginning of meeting so that he can join?
[14:47] <ogra> please all help on the ftbfs list
[14:47] <ogra> for armel
[14:47] <lool> Ah some notes here
[14:47] <ogra> so we get proper images
[14:47] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to ping njpatel at start of next weeks minute
[14:47] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to ping njpatel at start of next weeks minute
[14:47] <NCommander> :-)
[14:47] <lool> there just was a mass give back: all packages will be retried
[14:47] <NCommander> That way it will happen
[14:48] <NCommander> er
[14:48] <lool> If packages are failing due to lack of memory, we need to talk to IS to schedule a build
[14:48] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to ping njpatel at start of next weeks meeting
[14:48] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to ping njpatel at start of next weeks meeting
[14:48] <ogra> right, but we currently lack webkit and empathy for working images
[14:48] <lool> NCommander: it's like every week  :)
[14:48] <ogra> i'm working on webkit atm
[14:48] <GrueMaster> I hate to bring more bad news to the table, but I am really limited on testing this week.  First I am traveling to Georgia on Wed (wife's plan, not mine and it was scheduled before the sprint).  Second, my netbook SSD died, and is going in for warranty replacement.
[14:48] <bjf> lool, sorry, yes, my questions are all answered, thanks
[14:48] <lool> GrueMaster: Will you travel with a laptop + virtualbox images?
[14:48] <NCommander> I figured out why the dove images are currently broken
[14:48] <NCommander> For some good news
[14:49] <GrueMaster> That's the only option.
[14:49] <NCommander> We will hopefully have bootable dove images for A5
[14:49] <NCommander> Maybe even installable, depending if we get a kernel upload before A5, and I can get partman-auto and flash-kernel in line
[14:49] <lool> GrueMaster: Well I had others  :)  but at least you'll be able to do some virtual testing
[14:49] <GrueMaster> I won't be able to test arm images.
[14:49] <ogra> NCommander, "hopefully" ?
[14:49] <lool> NCommander: I need to move flash-kernel to bzr BTW
[14:50] <ogra> ++
[14:50] <NCommander> ++
[14:50] <NCommander> lool, please put it somewhere I can commit to :-/
[14:50] <ogra> we *will* have bootable dove images for A5
[14:50] <ogra> ~ubuntu-mobile
[14:50] <NCommander> ogra, as long as we get squashfs
[14:50] <ogra> bootable :P
[14:50] <lool> It might end on the ubuntu-installer umbrella, not sure yet
[14:50] <lool> Need to check it out with these folks
[14:51] <lool> Ok anybody anything to raise?
[14:51] <lool> NCommander: thanks a lot for chairing every week BTW
[14:51] <NCommander> Its fine
[14:51] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[14:51] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:51.
[14:51] <lool> thanks all
[14:52] <ogra> thanks
[16:00] <Daviey> o/
[16:00] <kirkland> o/
[16:01] <mathiaz> hello
[16:01] <ttx> o-
[16:01] <mathiaz> let's get the server team started
[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <mathiaz> last week's meeting minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090825
[16:02] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] FFE for bacula
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  FFE for bacula
[16:02] <mathiaz> so we decided we would not push bacula 3.0.X in karmic
[16:03] <mathiaz> but instead make it available in a ppa
[16:03] <ikonia> mathiaz: any reason ?
[16:03] <ikonia> (not agruing, curious)
[16:03] <mathiaz> ikonia: to late in the release cycle
[16:03] <mathiaz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bacula/+archive/ppa
[16:04] <Daviey> mathiaz: will it be mentioned in the ubuntu-server-guide?
[16:04] <ikonia> mathiaz: is it not better to hold it back until next release/later rather than introduce another PPA from an end user point of view ?
[16:04] <mathiaz> ^^ seems that ivoks pushed the packages in a ppa
[16:04] <nijaba> o/ (sorry to be late)
[16:04] <ikonia> a lot is being pushed into PPA's at the moment (not just server teams stuff)
[16:05] <mathiaz> Daviey: I don't think so - there is no official support/maintainance for bacula 3.0.X in karmic
[16:05] <Daviey> ok
[16:05] <mathiaz> we're just making it available to interested users
[16:05] <Daviey> sounds wise.
[16:05] <ikonia> mathiaz: that's not how it normally works though, but that's a supportability discussion for another meeting
[16:06] <mathiaz> ikonia: the official bacula version in karmic will by 2.4
[16:06] <ikonia> mathiaz: that's great, I have no problem with that
[16:07] <mathiaz> allright - anything else to add on the topic (bacula 3.0.X)?
[16:07] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on
[16:08] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Asterisk
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Asterisk
[16:08] <mathiaz> what's the state of this?
[16:08] <mathiaz> Daviey: ^^
[16:08] <Daviey> mathiaz: jmdault's changes are pushed
[16:08] <mathiaz> Daviey: did you get a chance to follow this?
[16:08] <mathiaz> Daviey: have all the packages been updated?
[16:08] <Daviey> mathiaz: it's all resolved.. no hiccups
[16:08]  * ivoks o/
[16:08] <Daviey> mathiaz: yes.
[16:08] <mathiaz> Daviey: so Asterisk 1.6 is in karmic
[16:08] <Daviey> mathiaz: However, there was poor success with getting dahdi-dkms into debian :(
[16:09] <Daviey> mathiaz: yes
[16:09] <Daviey> mathiaz: so for karmic, we are carrying the dkms ourselves
[16:09] <mathiaz> Daviey: great - thanks for giving a short status.
[16:09] <mathiaz> Daviey: that's fine. As long as discussion is still going with Debian
[16:09] <mathiaz> Daviey: we may be able to convince in time for the next release.
[16:10] <Daviey> mathiaz: gone quiet.. but will keep the issue going.
[16:10] <mathiaz> anything else to add on the Asterisk front?
[16:10] <Daviey> (that is an ACTION :) )
[16:10] <mathiaz> [ACTION] Daviey to follow up with the Asterisk Debian maintainers about adopting dkms for dahdi
[16:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey to follow up with the Asterisk Debian maintainers about adopting dkms for dahdi
[16:10] <Daviey> mathiaz: not really, some people have mentioned instability in the version that is there (debian unstable version).. so call for testing would be prudent.
[16:11] <mathiaz> Daviey: sure - a blog post can be helpfull
[16:11] <Daviey> yeah.. i have some pretty large sites with asterisk 1.4/1.6.. i could try them and see if they go bang :)
[16:12] <mathiaz> Daviey: we've moved to bug fixing mode in karmic - it doesn't mean it's rock solid yet
[16:12] <mathiaz> testing is the main focus now
[16:12] <Daviey> yep.
[16:12] <mathiaz> [ACTION] Daviey to call for testing of Asterisk 1.6
[16:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey to call for testing of Asterisk 1.6
[16:13] <mathiaz> great - let's move on.
[16:13] <Daviey> great.
[16:13] <mathiaz> that's all I had from last week minutes
[16:13] <mathiaz> anything else to add?
[16:13] <ivoks> bacula?
[16:13] <ivoks> i was late :/
[16:13] <mathiaz> ivoks: pushed to the PPA
[16:13] <ivoks> right
[16:13] <ttx> ivoks: yes, you were :P
[16:14] <mathiaz> ivoks: which was the ACTION from last meeting
[16:14] <mathiaz> ivoks: anything else to add on this front?
[16:14] <ivoks> nope...
[16:15] <mathiaz> great - let's move on then
[16:15] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review
[16:15] <ttx> yay
[16:15] <mathiaz> http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mathiaz/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[16:15] <Daviey> \o/
[16:15] <mathiaz> last week fixed bug^^
[16:15] <mathiaz> anything worth considering for an SRU?
[16:16] <Daviey> jmdault: o/
[16:16] <jmdault> hello, sorry I'm late
[16:17] <mathiaz> does't seem anything worthy on this list
[16:17] <ttx> nothing worth nominating on my side
[16:17] <Daviey> none of them shout out as SRU worthy IMO.
[16:18] <mathiaz> let's move on to the next list:
[16:18] <mathiaz> http://us-dappernominated.notlong.com/
[16:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://us-dappernominated.notlong.com/
[16:19] <ttx> those were here last week, istr we said we'd accept them
[16:19] <mathiaz> ok - accepting them now
[16:20] <mathiaz> next: http://us-hardynominated.notlong.com/
[16:20] <mathiaz> doesn't seem SRU worthy to me
[16:20] <ttx> we discussed them last week and decided to decline them iirc
[16:20] <mathiaz> allright - declining them then
[16:21] <mathiaz> next: http://us-intrepidnominated.notlong.com/
[16:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: bug 282876?
[16:22] <ivoks> let me look
[16:22] <ttx> Those were here last week as well... istr we decided to accept them
[16:22] <Daviey> bug 257682, was certainly there last week.
[16:23] <ivoks> mathiaz: this was fixed in jaunty
[16:23] <mathiaz> ivoks: right - should it tried to SRU in intrepid?
[16:23] <ivoks> mathiaz: i'll have to check, we didn't have problems with drbd starting on intrepid
[16:24] <mathiaz> ivoks: right - we'll accept it
[16:24] <ivoks> ok
[16:24] <mathiaz> ivoks: it doesn't mean we'll have to fix it intrepid
[16:24] <ivoks> sure
[16:25] <mathiaz> ivoks: the next step is to try to make sure it's reproducable on intrepid
[16:25] <mathiaz> ivoks: one of the outcome may be that it's SRU worthy afterall
[16:25] <mathiaz> so - seems like all the intrepid bugs should be accepted
[16:26] <mathiaz> let's move on to the last list: http://us-jauntynominated.notlong.com/
[16:28] <ttx> this one should be refused
[16:28] <ttx> if it's in Jaunty it's not the same bug
[16:28] <mathiaz> allright - that's all for the list of nominated bugs
[16:28] <mathiaz> the next step is to review the list of accepted bugs and check on the assigned ones
[16:28] <mathiaz> I haven't had time to compile such a list relevant to the ubuntu-server team
[16:29] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to produce a list of accepted bugs for packages related to the ubuntu-server team.
[16:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to produce a list of accepted bugs for packages related to the ubuntu-server team.
[16:29] <mathiaz> anything else to say on the SRU weekly review?
[16:30] <mathiaz> ok - let's move to the next topic
[16:30] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] MIR for ubuntu-fortunes and default install
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  MIR for ubuntu-fortunes and default install
[16:30] <mathiaz> nijaba: ^^?
[16:31] <nijaba> well, I was wondering if it was a good time to file a mir for our tips
[16:31] <Daviey> So, fortunes-ubuntu-server is no in karmic.. some slight reshuffling with the packages.. but it's there
[16:31] <nijaba> Daviey: how do you feel about this
[16:31] <Daviey> more tips would be good before being default install IMO
[16:31] <mathiaz> Daviey: what's the name of the package?
[16:31] <Daviey> but otherwise, i think it would be great.
[16:32] <Daviey> nijaba: fortunes-ubuntu-server
[16:32] <Daviey> nijaba: initially it was 2 packages, one for the fortunes and the other for the scripts
[16:32] <nijaba> Daviey: I don't think quantity is that important
[16:32] <Daviey> nijaba: repitition might make it rather pointless.
[16:33] <nijaba> Daviey: well, maybe, but I am not sure people will look at them every time they login anyway
[16:33] <mathiaz> what would be the end user experience on a default install?
[16:33] <Daviey> However, i'm expecting a few more uploads before karmic release.. so it might be a good idea to MIR it sooner rather than later, and still expet to update it's cookies.
[16:33] <nijaba> mathiaz: just a couple lines of tips added to the motd
[16:34] <nijaba> mathiaz: note that we remved quite a few line of legal blurb after first loging
[16:34] <kirkland> so we have some newly freed up space in the motd, since we only display the warranty once
[16:34] <Daviey> mathiaz: keeping in mind that the currentl plan is to hide the copyright notice once a user initially logs in.
[16:34] <kirkland> we've basically freed up 6-7 lines
[16:34] <kirkland> the tip would nicely fit in that space
[16:34] <mathiaz> so whenever someone logs in a default karmic server, they'd see the warranty message, then the landscape-sysinfo messages and then a fortune?
[16:34] <nijaba> nope, the prio would be 60
[16:35] <nijaba> mathiaz: so sysinfo would be last
[16:35] <kirkland> it might be just a little late in karmic to try and put this into the default server install
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: only see the warranty on first login
[16:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: on *each user's* first login
[16:35] <mathiaz> Daviey: how fortunes are there?
[16:35] <Daviey> err, good question
[16:35] <Daviey> ~30
[16:35] <nijaba> kirkland: this is done, right?
[16:35] <kirkland> nijaba: well, updates-available and reboot-required would be last
[16:35] <nijaba> kirkland: right
[16:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: why would it be too late?
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: yes, warranty stuff is already in karmic
[16:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: well, it would require an FFE
[16:36] <Daviey> mathiaz: there are 32 committed, in the package
[16:36] <nijaba> kirkland: so it is just a package couple package to seed after the mir is done, right
[16:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: that's all i'm saying, really
[16:36] <Daviey> socertainly enough for 1 per day, each month :)
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: yes, it's not hard
[16:36] <kirkland> nijaba: MIR, add to the default ubuntu-server seed -- technically that's all
[16:37] <nijaba> kirkland: agreed
[16:37] <nijaba> kirkland: so do we have an agreement that it should be done?  if so I'll gladly file the MIR
[16:37] <Daviey> so, should we try and put it in the default seed?
[16:37] <kirkland> nijaba: i think so... here's why ...
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: 1) we've freed up some space in an 80x24 motd (with the warranty stuff only printed once)
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: 2) the performance/runtime impact is negligible
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: 3) it is a friendly, nice ubuntu-ish differentiator
[16:39] <Daviey> it's actually quite ground breaking stuff.. i can't think of any other enterprise server distro that offers helpful tips.
[16:39] <kirkland> nijaba: so, +1 vote from me... get the MIR + FFE written, approved, and seeded into the default ubuntu install
[16:39] <nijaba> ttx: do you agree?
[16:39] <Daviey> On the other side, if it is somewhat unpopular.. it's easy enough to pull in karmic+1.
[16:40] <kirkland> Daviey: it's easy enough to pull by beta
[16:40] <Daviey> kirkland: very true.
[16:40] <kirkland> Daviey: it would be nice to get it into alpha5/alpha6 and see if anyone craps themself
[16:40] <nijaba> kirkland: I do know how to file a MIR, but not an FFe
[16:40] <ttx> I'd go for karmic+1 with UDS discussion
[16:40] <Daviey> kirkland: +1
[16:41] <ttx> but if someone wants to file a FFe for it, why not
[16:41] <mathiaz> nijaba: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[16:42] <Daviey> Whilst on the server-tips discussion, it would be really nice to have some more tips from the server team :)
[16:42] <kirkland> Daviey: yeah, sorry, i've been meaning to throw some out there
[16:42] <Daviey> nijaba: did you get a chance to chase the short urls, froma few meetings ago?
[16:42] <kirkland> Daviey: can we braindump these on you, and you clean them up, commit them?
[16:43] <Daviey> kirkland: it's "hard" to think of useful ones, i know from myself.
[16:43] <Daviey> kirkland: raising a bug on LP, works quite well
[16:43] <nijaba> Daviey: I did, and I think we have an agreement that it would be nice, but no timeframe for im^plementation
[16:43] <Daviey> then, the description field can be edited.
[16:44] <Daviey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-server-tips
[16:45] <mathiaz> allright - anything else to add on this topic?
[16:45] <Daviey> no :)
[16:45] <nijaba> mathiaz: ok, so I'll fill a MIR and an FFe before next meeting
[16:45] <Daviey> nijaba: great!
[16:46] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nijaba to write up a MIR and and file a FFe for fortunes-ubuntu-server
[16:46] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nijaba to write up a MIR and and file a FFe for fortunes-ubuntu-server
[16:46] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:47] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:47] <delphiexile> ok
[16:47] <delphiexile> what about the meeting today
[16:47] <mathiaz> jmdault: Daviey reported that the Asterisk had been updated to 1.6 in karmic
[16:47] <mathiaz> jmdault: thanks for driving this
[16:47] <Daviey> (and jmdault's changes are merged)
[16:47] <jmdault> mathiaz: yes
[16:47] <jmdault> dahdi and asterisk are fully merged
[16:48] <mathiaz> jmdault: cool - next step: call for testing
[16:48] <jmdault> I'll have to file a FFE for asterisk-addons though, but that's minor
[16:49] <mathiaz> jmdault: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[16:49] <jmdault> mathiaz: what's the best way to get attention?
[16:49] <mathiaz> jmdault: follow the process outlined above?
[16:49] <mathiaz> jmdault: is the package in universe or main?
[16:49] <Daviey> jmdault: I was planning on blogging it, which will be on planet.ubuntu.com
[16:49] <jmdault> Daviey: great
[16:49] <jmdault> mathiaz: in Universe
[16:49] <mathiaz> jmdault: ok - so ask ScottK about getting the exception
[16:49] <jmdault> ok
[16:50] <mathiaz> jmdault: he is handling server related packages for the motu-release team
[16:51] <mathiaz> anything else to add to the discussion?
[16:51] <jmdault> no
[16:52] <jmdault> Daviey: keep me in touch for the blog post
[16:52] <Daviey> jmdault: wilco, welcome to help me construct this :)
[16:52] <jmdault> of course
[16:53] <jmdault> mathiaz: oh, yes, I got another thing to add. I have a bunch of extra packages that will not make it into Karmic, but will be uploaded in the ubuntu voip ppa
[16:53] <mathiaz> jmdault: what kind of packages?
[16:53] <jmdault> like the asterisk gui, it's promising, but it needs work
[16:54] <Daviey> jmdault: so promising, that digium don'teven ship it on there distro anymore :)
[16:54] <jmdault> and I have extra sound files (spanish and french), but ideally, they should be in Debian as well
[16:55] <Daviey> great.
[16:56] <jmdault> Daviey: if there's no gui, I have to tell the receptionist to ssh into asterisk, and edit users.conf by hand.. ;-)
[16:56] <Daviey> :)
[16:56] <mathiaz> allright - anything else to add before we wrap up
[16:56] <mathiaz> ?
[16:56] <jmdault> nope
[16:56] <Daviey> not i
[16:56] <ivoks> nope
[16:56] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place?
[16:57] <Daviey> as always :)
[16:57] <jmdault> yup
[16:57] <ttx> ok
[16:57]  * alexm is sorry for being missing for a while
[16:58] <mathiaz> all right then.
[16:58] <mathiaz> see you all next week, same place, same time
[16:58] <alexm> ok
[16:58] <mathiaz> don't forget iso testing for alpha5
[16:58] <mathiaz> that is scheduled for this Thursday
[16:58] <mathiaz> iso candidates are already up and waiting for testing
[16:59] <mathiaz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:59] <mathiaz> thanks
[16:59] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:59.
[16:59] <Daviey> thanks mathiaz
[17:38] <lieb> Notice:  The ubuntu-kernel meeting regularly scheduled for 1700UTC on this channel has been cancelled for this week due to a significant number of kernel team members on travel or holiday this week.  The meeting will resume next week, Sept 8, 1700UTC
[18:42] <DisasteR> hi
[21:02] <popey> phanatic.. Pricey ?
[21:03] <popey> stgraber ..
[21:04] <niko> is there a meeting now ?
[21:05] <popey> should be
[21:05] <markvandenborre> sorry I'm a bit late...
[21:05] <popey> hi markvandenborre
[21:05] <pgquiles> niko: there is according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[21:05] <popey> just you and me so far
[21:05] <DisasteR> hi
[21:05] <markvandenborre> as in: noone else, not even candidates?
[21:06] <DisasteR> i'm candidate
[21:06] <bernard-opic> Good evening, I'm here
[21:06] <kelemengabor> me too
[21:06] <markvandenborre> ok, perfect
[21:06] <popey> we need more than 2 of 6  imo
[21:07] <bernard-opic> I can wait for them a bit :-)
[21:07] <popey> markvandenborre: could you mail the list pls, my mail is down :(
[21:08] <stgraber> hello
[21:08] <markvandenborre> hi stgraber
[21:08] <DisasteR> hi
[21:08] <bernard-opic> hello
[21:08] <phanatic> hey, sorry for being late
[21:08] <stgraber> weird, looks like my cell forgot about that meeting ... I thought I had setup a reminder for it ...
[21:08] <popey> yay
[21:08] <popey> 4/6
[21:08] <popey> thats good
[21:10] <popey> right, who's up first, bernard-opic
[21:10] <popey> bernard-opic: did we not talk to you at our last meeting?
[21:10] <bernard-opic> So, I'm back again :-)
[21:10] <bernard-opic> sure
[21:10] <bernard-opic> Since the last session I attended in August, I followed the advices that your team gave me and I reviewed my Wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bernard-opic.
[21:11] <bernard-opic> I hope you found it more attractive than the previous one, and more informative too.
[21:11] <bernard-opic> I'll be pleased to answer your questions now.
[21:11] <popey> am just re-reading the logs from last time
[21:12] <bernard-opic> I was not ready at all in August. I apologize for that
[21:13] <phanatic> you now have very good testimonials
[21:13] <bernard-opic> thanks
[21:15] <popey> for me the wiki page seems a bit thin
[21:15] <popey> its tricky for someone in an advocacy / marketing role
[21:16] <bernard-opic> Well, I'm open to any suggestion
[21:16] <markvandenborre> I tend towards +1: movement in the right direction on both wiki and endorsements
[21:16] <popey> I too am tending towards +1 for the good testimonials
[21:16] <markvandenborre> wiki... I mean... using common channels like ubuntu-fr.org more
[21:17] <markvandenborre> (instead of more personal channels)
[21:17] <phanatic> definitely an improvement, and really good testimonials. +1
[21:17] <bernard-opic> i did my best to present myself, but I'm surely better in the action
[21:17] <popey> i note for example that the security announcements are on an external blog
[21:17] <popey> not within the wiki or on some ubuntu mailing list
[21:17] <stgraber> +1 for good testimonials
[21:17] <popey> which is where I'd expect them to be
[21:18] <bernard-opic> popey: I'm ready to publish the USN translation on an Ubuntu Wiki page
[21:18] <popey> i dont know if a wiki page is the right thing or not..
[21:18] <popey> but when i see that _all_ of someones contributions lie in a 3rd party blog it makes me uneasy
[21:18] <bernard-opic> may be the security team can answers that question
[21:19] <markvandenborre> popey: that was the case before...
[21:19] <popey> indeed
[21:19] <popey> i wasnt around at that meeting though markvandenborre
[21:19] <bernard-opic> popey: I contribute where I can, don't you think that ZDNet France blog is not a good place for advocacy?
[21:20] <popey> http://blogs.media-tips.com/bernard.opic/category/ubuntu-security-notices/ thats not zdnet
[21:20] <bernard-opic> did you miss Ubuntu & Co?
[21:20] <bernard-opic> http://www.zdnet.fr/blogs/ubuntu-co/
[21:20] <popey> the point is somewhat moot, given you have 4 +1s :)
[21:21] <markvandenborre> congratulations!
[21:21] <popey> indeed, congrats! I look forward to seeing your blog posts syndicated on planet ubuntu :)
[21:21] <bernard-opic> Many many thanks to you all, I'm very proud
[21:21] <bernard-opic> popey: I'll have to post in english too now :-)
[21:22] <popey> :)
[21:22] <popey> i get the benefit then :)
[21:22] <bernard-opic> ;-)
[21:22] <markvandenborre> sarvatt not here it seems
[21:22] <markvandenborre> ?
[21:22] <popey> looks that way
[21:22] <popey> pgquiles: you're up
[21:22] <pgquiles> popey: here I am
[21:23] <popey> pgquiles: your wiki page seems 'light'
[21:24] <pgquiles> popey: what additional information should I put in?
[21:25] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership -> Preparation
[21:25] <popey> pgquiles: have you considered going the MOTU route?
[21:26] <markvandenborre> I'm sorry, but I'd rather you first have a decent look at this before we even try to judge
[21:26] <pgquiles> popey: I'm a Debian maintainer, my packages come to Ubuntu through Debian
[21:26] <pgquiles> popey: wrt wiki, the only thing IMHO I'm missing is the fourth point "# Your plans and ideas for Ubuntu in the near and far future "
[21:27] <popey> there is also a section on testimonials
[21:28] <popey> the problem with the main contribution being a ppa is that we have no way of knowing if it's actually being used
[21:28] <popey> and by how many people
[21:28] <pgquiles> popey: the only Ubuntu member I know is Riddell, from KDE. I also get lots of e-mails from non-members thanking me from my PPA, but that won't count according to the membership page
[21:28] <popey> and so its hard to gauge your contribution to ubuntu
[21:29] <pgquiles> popey: if you take a look at my PPA, I'd say it'd be rather easy to gauge my contribution to ubuntu
[21:29] <markvandenborre> I'm not saying your contribution isn't valuable, but it's rather hard for me to judge right here
[21:31] <popey> stgraber / phanatic ?
[21:31] <pgquiles> markvandenborre: ok, so what do I do? I get thank you e-mails for my PPA from non-members, so that does not count. I know no members. How am I supposed to get testimonials from members?
[21:32] <phanatic> pgquiles: do you happen to know some people from MOTU maybe?
[21:33] <pgquiles> phanatic: no. I never quite got into MOTU because I'm a Debian maintainer. The MOTU route does not make sense in my case.
[21:33] <popey> you're certainly unusual in that regard
[21:33] <phanatic> pgquiles: it's interesting, because we ought to judge community and advocacy activities, not develpment
[21:34] <pgquiles> popey: I preferred to go directly to upstream (Debian) :-)
[21:34] <phanatic> and you work is closer to development imho
[21:34] <phanatic> your
[21:34] <pgquiles> phanatic: indeed it is. In fact, the main reason I want to get membership is to post to planet ubuntu. I wanted to blog about my backport of firefox 3.5.2 to hardy.
[21:35] <popey> Ok. How about this. I am quite happy that you're clearly making a contribution, and it seems to be a sustained one.
[21:35] <pgquiles> I thought that'd be interesting and useful for some people but it seems they won't get the news
[21:35] <pgquiles> popey: mine is one of the first PPAs, according to celso
[21:35] <popey> pgquiles: you haven't blogged since april ;)
[21:35] <popey> (on your website linked from your lp page)
[21:35] <pgquiles> popey: yeah, I've been quite busy at work. Either I blog twice every day with what I'm working on, or I don't blog at all
[21:36] <popey> I am wondering if we should speak to MOTU / Daniel Holbach about this.
[21:36] <popey> I suspect your contribution is significant enough to warrant it
[21:36] <pgquiles> I don't know him
[21:36] <popey> it's just hard for me to tell
[21:36] <popey> I do
[21:36] <pgquiles> great
[21:37] <popey> would you (and markvandenborre / phanatic / stgraber ) mind leaving it with me, and I will speak to Daniel about it tomorrow?
[21:37] <pgquiles> no problem
[21:37] <markvandenborre> perfect
[21:37] <stgraber> I'm fine with that
[21:37] <phanatic> popey: sure, please do
[21:37] <markvandenborre> or _maybe_
[21:37] <markvandenborre> (but I'm threading _very_ lightly here)
[21:37] <popey> groovy. I will mail everyone so it's all in the open
[21:37] <popey> heh
[21:37]  * popey tickles markvandenborre 
[21:38] <popey> thanks for the understanding pgquiles, much appreciated
[21:38] <popey> right, who's next
[21:38] <markvandenborre> some testimonials from _Debian_ people would also help...
[21:38] <markvandenborre> ok, next
[21:38] <DisasteR> kelemengabor i think
[21:38] <DisasteR> and me after
[21:38] <kelemengabor> sure
[21:38] <popey> kelemengabor: you're up!
[21:38] <kelemengabor> Hi, I'm Gabor Kelemen, leader of the Hungarian Ubuntu translation team. My wiki page is
[21:38] <kelemengabor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaborKelemen and my job is to keep up the illusion of end
[21:38] <kelemengabor> users, who think "Ubuntu is completely localized to Hungarian"
[21:39] <popey> haha
[21:39] <toros> I am here to support kelemengabor's memberhsip. He plays key role in the Hungarian LoCo.
[21:39] <toros> As key translator of Ubuntu, Gnome, and other floss projects, he is one of the most important free software activists in the country.
[21:40] <phanatic> kelemengabor is the founder of the hungarian ubuntu translation team. we had a translation team before having a loco, and he played a really important part in establishing both of thos teams. i support his application.
[21:40] <popey> wow, impressive translation stats
[21:40] <popey> ok, that's a +1 from me
[21:41] <markvandenborre> +1
[21:41] <phanatic> +1, i missed that :)
[21:41] <stgraber> +1
[21:42] <popey> woot
[21:42] <popey> full house
[21:42] <popey> congratulations kelemengabor, keep up the good work!
[21:42] <kelemengabor> Thank you guys :)
[21:42] <phanatic> welcome kelemengabor, finally :)
[21:42] <DisasteR> fast .. ^^
[21:43] <McPeter> :)
[21:43] <popey> DisasteR: how do you do most of your support? irc, formus, launchpad, mailing list ?
[21:44] <McPeter> irc/wiki (fr)
[21:44] <DisasteR> irc essentially
[21:44] <DisasteR> and wiki
[21:44] <DisasteR> wiki mailling list too
[21:44] <popey> what's the top issue people have at the moment? :)
[21:45] <markvandenborre> can you point me at an irc log you're really proud of?
[21:45] <DisasteR> its often smimilar problems
[21:45] <markvandenborre> (I read french quite fluently, no problem)
[21:46] <DisasteR> :/ i never log my conversations
[21:46] <niko> can i enter into this ? ( with #ubuntu-fr admin hat - like McPeter )
[21:46] <popey> go for it
[21:47] <McPeter> markvandenborre, i have a log .. (in french)
[21:47] <McPeter> if you need i can search
[21:47] <niko> for years he provide constant helps on #ubuntu-fr, a regular helper, always great and usefull
[21:49] <popey> well based on great testimonials I'd be happy to go +1
[21:49] <niko> he also fix lot of wiki typo, and wrote usefull pages
[21:50] <phanatic> years of help means sustained contributions, and also very good testimonials: +1
[21:50] <DisasteR> i also have participated to the discutions for the new ubuntu-fr design
[21:50] <markvandenborre> +1 sorry phonecall
[21:51] <popey> stgraber: ?
[21:53]  * popey pokes stgraber 
[21:53] <McPeter> :)
[21:53] <DisasteR> he go to grab a coffe .. ^^
[21:53] <DisasteR> i need one too :p
[21:54] <stgraber> sorry
[21:54] <McPeter> hope DisasteR , hope :)
[21:55] <markvandenborre> I'm back
[21:55] <DisasteR> :)
[21:55] <stgraber> ok, just read the backlog: +1
[21:55] <popey> \o/
[21:55] <popey> congratulations
[21:55] <popey> and phew! with 5 mins to spare
[21:55] <markvandenborre> félicitations
[21:55] <DisasteR> Thanx :p
[21:55] <DisasteR> merci :)
[21:56] <popey> :)
[21:56] <popey> i love that word
[21:56] <DisasteR> merci merci merci :p
[21:56] <popey> no, félicitations
[21:56] <popey> :)
[21:56] <DisasteR> oh :/
[21:57] <McPeter> bravo DisasteR :)
[21:57] <McPeter> bienvenue
[21:57] <DisasteR> merci de ta participation McPeter :)
[21:58] <McPeter> y're welcome ᴖ‿ᴖ
[21:58] <popey> bernard-opic / DisasteR / kelemengabor - I have added you to the Ubuntu Members group on launchpad
[21:59] <bernard-opic> Great, thanks to the team and congratulations/félicitations to the new members
[21:59] <DisasteR> thanks for your time :)
[21:59] <popey> back to sleep....
[21:59] <niko> bravo for all new member
[22:00] <markvandenborre> 'night
[22:00] <Technoviking> afternoon
[22:00] <elmo> evening
[22:00] <kelemengabor> thanks to everyone :)
[22:01] <Technoviking> elmo: hello sir, anyone else here for The CC meeting
[22:01] <elmo> I've just texted sabdfl
[22:01] <elmo> and pinged mkde
[22:01] <elmo> dholbach isn't online
[22:02] <popey> he's at a bbq
[22:02] <elmo> dholbach or mdke?
[22:02] <popey> dholbach
[22:02] <elmo> ok
[22:03] <Technoviking> that is only an excuse since bbq is so yummy:)
[22:03] <popey> Meat is murder.
[22:03] <popey> Tasty tasty murder.
[22:04] <Technoviking> btw, my wireless connection is shaky at best, may drop off, will return asap if I do
[22:05] <elmo> ok, well, we're going to struggle to make quorum I guess
[22:05] <elmo> no response from mdke or sabdfl
[22:06] <elmo> do we have anything urgent on the agenda, or not even urgent, just something we should spend time on without quorum?
[22:07] <Technoviking> the only thing are the wiki licensing which need mdke or dholbach and Ubuntu One?
[22:08] <elmo> I'm not sure we can usefully do much with Ubuntu One
[22:09] <elmo> I believe mdke wrote a mail about the wiki which I should probably read/respond to, since he invoked me
[22:09] <Technoviking> any questions for the CC?
[22:12] <elmo> ok, well, I guess that's one very short CC meeting then
[22:12] <Technoviking> Well a quiet community is a happy community
[22:13] <Technoviking> We will meeting again in two weeks, thanks for coming
[22:16] <sabdfl> sorry i'm late
[22:16] <elmo> sabdfl: hi
[22:16] <sabdfl> thanks for the sms elmo
[22:17] <elmo> sabdfl: we were about to call it a day, it's only technoviking, you and I
[22:17] <elmo> sabdfl: but since you're here, was there anything on the agenda, or anything about the elections you wanted to discuss?
[22:18] <sabdfl> TB election wrapped up yesterday
[22:18] <sabdfl> i saw some commentssaying that folks didn't get the invitation to vote
[22:19] <sabdfl> just within Canonical. is there any wavering on our desire to use CIVS for the CC election?
[22:19] <sabdfl> it might just have been spam filtering as usual
[22:19] <sabdfl> not sure how to improve on that without fully setting up CIVS and hacking it e.g. to set me as the sender
[22:19] <sabdfl> and gpg messages etc
[22:21] <sabdfl> if not, let's go ahead
[22:21] <sabdfl> i'm waiting for a go-ahead from dholbach of final list of candidates, and URL's to their platforms
[22:22] <delphiexile> please
[22:22] <delphiexile> wait
[22:22] <delphiexile> i want to join the ubuntu members team
[22:22] <sabdfl> delphiexile: you need to line yourself up to talk to one of the regional members boards
[22:23] <delphiexile> like who
[22:23] <delphiexile> ??
[22:23] <sabdfl> like goooooooogle it
[22:23] <sabdfl> elmo, anything else?
[22:23] <delphiexile> am i late
[22:23] <delphiexile> ??
[22:23] <Daviey> delphiexile: -> pm
[22:24] <elmo> sabdfl: I think that covers it
[22:24] <delphiexile> the meeting begun at 20:00 UTC , but there is no defined period for the end
[22:25] <sabdfl> okdokey elmo
[22:25] <sabdfl> AOB?
[22:25] <Technoviking> back, ^#@#*!@#& wireless
[22:25] <sabdfl> delphiexile: we've delegate membership to a different set of groups that provide better timezone cover. I'm sure Daviey will clarify
[22:25] <sabdfl> Technoviking: AOB?
[22:26] <Technoviking> AOB?
[22:26] <elmo> any other business
[22:26] <elmo> Technoviking: ^--
[22:27] <Technoviking> none here
[22:29] <sabdfl> okdokey
[22:29] <sabdfl> well, that's a wrap
[22:29] <sabdfl> thanks all
[22:30] <popey> delphiexile / Daviey all sorted?
[22:30] <Daviey> popey: think so :)
[22:31] <sabdfl> election announcement will go out via CIVS
[22:31] <sabdfl> till then,
[22:31] <sabdfl> night
[22:32] <Daviey> o/
[22:33] <elmo> thanks all
[23:14] <hfz> hello