=== pgraner-Zzzz is now known as pgraner === ecanto is now known as edson === swoody_ is now known as swoody === Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:00] #startmeeting [14:00] Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is NCommander. [14:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:00] moo [14:01] Hey [14:01] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090901 [14:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090901 [14:01] oink [14:01] plars and I are finishing a call [14:01] hi [14:01] and done [14:01] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:01] woof [14:01] dyfet, persia, GrueMaster: ping [14:02] pong [14:02] o/ [14:02] Hey Brad [14:02] welcome to the party bjf [14:02] hey lool :) [14:02] here [14:03] party ? [14:03] where are the drinks ? [14:04] and crackers, i want crackers! [14:04] ogra, I thought you were bringing them [14:04] NCommander: lets start [14:04] gah, you didnt add an action item for that [14:04] [action] ogra to bring the drinks and crackers [14:04] ACTION received: ogra to bring the drinks and crackers [14:04] i'm calling stevenk [14:04] :P [14:04] to late ... [14:05] [topic] NCommander to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/338148 (co) [14:05] New Topic: NCommander to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/338148 (co) [14:05] Launchpad bug 338148 in vnc4 "Needs new version from Debian: fails to build with removal of mesa-swx11-source" [High,Triaged] [14:05] c/o. again. [14:05] * GrueMaster wonders why he got up for this? [14:05] what a surprise :P [14:05] I'll find some time to look at this [14:05] I just rang a couple of times at stevenk's home since its 11pm [14:05] [topic] # NCommander to rewrite arm-softbootloader-spec [14:05] New Topic: # NCommander to rewrite arm-softbootloader-spec [14:05] * StevenK shores [14:05] c/o, didn't get to it [14:05] shores? [14:05] hey StevenK :) [14:05] NCommander, better than stranding [14:05] NCommander: It's what waves do at the beach [14:06] I thought a shore was where the ocean and land met ... [14:06] [topic] NCommander to document dove bringup [14:06] New Topic: NCommander to document dove bringup [14:06] Done [14:06] thats the noun [14:06] URL? [14:06] Looking for it [14:06] * ogra waits for it :P [14:06] wiki being very slow [14:06] excuses [14:07] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarvellDoveKarmicInstall [14:07] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarvellDoveKarmicInstall [14:07] [topic] GrueMaster to retest on i386 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809 [14:07] New Topic: GrueMaster to retest on i386 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809 [14:07] Launchpad bug 337809 in linux "APIC error on CPU 0" [Medium,Triaged] [14:07] hmm, why didnt you put it in the ARM namespace ? [14:07] ogra, mostly because it didn't occur to me [14:07] indefinite co [14:07] ok [14:07] * NCommander strikes it [14:07] Pff my status update script is broken for some reason [14:08] [topic] Specification review [14:08] New Topic: Specification review [14:08] * NCommander kills his pager in real life [14:08] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~lool/mobile-status.html [14:08] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~lool/mobile-status.html [14:09] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/burndown.png is improving [14:09] LINK received: http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/burndown.png is improving [14:09] we're still pretty late though [14:09] that shouldnt be a diagonal line :) [14:09] Well the problem is that the bars arent normalized [14:09] rather a logarithmic curve :) [14:09] But your brain can do it if you picture it real hard [14:10] from a distance, yes [14:10] lool, I'm partially to blame, I keep adding work items as I find there needed :-/ [14:10] parabolic [14:10] * NCommander has added a slew of them to his specs [14:10] is it bad when your burndown chart has an apex? [14:10] parabolic would never meet [14:10] OMG, we would never finish [14:10] NCommander, dont do that ... solve them rather :) [14:10] dyfet: where's the lxde meta to sponsor? [14:11] Finally people came back, with LOTS of changes for the meta & seed, but only now over the weekend. I am going to integrate, test, and upload after the soft freeze window on Friday [14:11] dyfet: Could you hand the meta to someone so that we can push it to universe ASAP [14:11] lool, well, that burndown change is taking in account some specs which probably should finally be marked deferred like arm-softbootloader [14:11] NCommander, up to you to mark it like that [14:11] Okay...its in a bzr branch, so its also very easy to hand off... [14:12] [action] dyfet to get lxde-meta sponsored [14:12] NCommander: ^ [14:12] [action] dyfet to get lxde-meta sponsored [14:12] ACTION received: dyfet to get lxde-meta sponsored [14:12] dyfet, I can sponsor it if need be [14:12] ogra: on rootstock, did you file upstream bugs on the qemu issue? [14:13] dyfet, although you need an FFe at this point [14:13] ogra: kirkland might be able to help here I would guess [14:13] Then I need to at least verify a subset that are relevant to fixes...I can do that in about a hour [14:13] lool, kirkland doesnt know about the userspace version [14:13] lool, no upstream bugs yet [14:13] i simply didnt do any work on it after the upload [14:13] StevenK: the unr wubi spec as been on "requires testing" since weeks (months?); you cant do the testing yourself? Do we need to ask for someone's setup/help? [14:13] i want to have proper straces before filing an upstream bug [14:14] ogra: Would be good to file an upstream bug ASAP if we want to fix it before release [14:14] but imx51 is taking up my time atm [14:14] lool, will do directly after A5 [14:14] lool: I don't have access to a Windows install that I'm allowed to modify -- I've asked NCommander and GrueMaster and I'm still waiting ... [14:15] NCommander, GrueMaster: ^ are you blocked on testing for some reason? [14:15] lool, the only Windows machine on physical hardware I can use I only just got permission to do so. That being said, I confirmed wubi does work properly on Wine, and gets are far as setting up the installer [14:15] I don't have a Windows install readily available, but I have a licensed CD. I've been spending most of the last couple of weeks fighting with my netbook (lost cause) and babbage issues. [14:16] NCommander: Using UNR? [14:16] StevenK: is that good enough? ^ [14:16] lool, yeah [14:16] For me to test it requires swapping out drives in my laptop, reinstalling Windows, then testing. [14:16] * NCommander has to do something simiar [14:17] I'll look at doing something different [14:17] I'll report back next meeting [14:17] GrueMaster: On the UNR karmic spec, StevenK got the CD size below 700 MBs by removing langpacks but is waiting for your input if there's seed stuff he can change to gain space; how's your investigation progressing? [14:17] Hi. [14:17] seems like this could be tested well in a VM [14:17] hey paulliu [14:17] plars: I don't have a Windows license [14:17] paulliu, you are ... [14:17] plars: I'm pretty sure that's how the wubi / u-i folks do it [14:17] I'm going to focus on that this week, since I am unable to do much testing. [14:18] StevenK, use an evalution version of Windows [14:18] lool, are 700MB really needed for UNR ? [14:18] StevenK: FYI there's the xscreensaver stuff listed on the spec as assigned to you [14:18] will cost us a lot of translations [14:18] lool: And if you check, it's already done [14:18] ogra: basically all except ja or something like that [14:18] lool, but why ... [14:18] ogra: That said if desktop can do it we should be able to as well [14:19] * ogra doesnt see a need to make it fit on a CD [14:19] StevenK: if you could update the blueprint I wouldnt have to check :) [14:19] ja is on ship because it's like 1.5Mb [14:19] "Drop xscreensaver-gl and possibly more xscreensaver stuff (stevenk) [2 hours]: TODO" [14:19] lool: launchpad is slow to ye old australia. It'd still be quicker for you to look it up and do it ;) [14:19] StevenK: Updated the spec now [14:19] rss-glx [14:19] ogra: the idea is that a cd is easier to hand out at trade shows and other events. [14:19] GrueMaster, as a DVD is [14:19] Hobbsee: eh [14:19] and we wouldnt restrict us so much [14:20] cds cost 1/8 that of of a dvd. [14:20] but you could fit 1G on them :) [14:20] having all translationms on the image is a big advantage [14:20] plars: I dont remember: did we agree to push the test driver to the Ubuntu archive for mobile-unr-karmic-compliance-autotesting? [14:20] would be sad to give that up [14:21] I've had both lool and davidm saying get the image below 700Mb [14:21] lool: no, it's just going in a bzr branch [14:21] StevenK, bah [14:21] I agree. That's why I want to look to see what junk is installed unnecessarily. Like the cd burner software (which is still there btw). [14:21] lool: I don't see any benefit to packaging it [14:21] plars: mobile-qa-karmic-unr still says plan testcases, write needed tests, organize tests etc.: TODO; is this accurate? Is this partially done? [14:21] GrueMaster, but that wont free up much ... [14:21] GrueMaster: Are you reporting that from an upgraded image, or a daily? [14:22] daily. [14:22] * StevenK checks [14:22] plars: if it's a binary it means it will be transitioned if we go through a transition [14:22] lool: mostly, just because it's not complete... in retrospect, it would have been better to break that down better [14:22] I don't do upgraded images, which unfortunately is why my netbook is down. My SSD finally called it quits. [14:22] plars: Also it ensures people get lp built binaries and you get things like a source package bug page [14:22] lool: it's not binary [14:22] Ok [14:22] plars: I guess it's not a big difference then [14:23] Is there a reason we have multiple topics currently in discussion? [14:23] I personally prefer using packaged things when possible as it allows me to add/remove stuff cleanly, but for a special app like this it's ok [14:23] brb [14:23] GrueMaster: Because we can fit more into the meeting if it's multi-threaded [14:24] plars: Are we going to complete mobile-qa-karmic-unr for beta though? [14:24] yea, but at 6am, it doesn't take much for me to get lost. [14:24] lool: shouldn't be a problem [14:24] paulliu: No progress on mobile-unr-karmic-application-res I guess? too busy with moblin stuff? [14:24] plars: OK, great [14:24] * StevenK uses a laser pointer to distract GrueMaster [14:25] lool: Yes. But I'll make some progress this week. [14:25] GrueMaster, StevenK: Do you guys have any questions on spec status or anything you'd like to highlight WRT specs? [14:25] lool: Bug fixing. I like it. [14:25] paulliu: Cool thanks [14:25] no [14:25] paulliu: Note that UI freeze is approaching and might block further work [14:25] I'm done with my Qs personally [14:26] Any other Qs pending? Everybody done digesting spec status? [14:26] lool: Ubuntu Karmic 2 bugs left. Other are upstream works. [14:26] ogra, dyfet [14:26] paulliu: Ok cool [14:26] none from me [14:26] nope [14:27] NCommander: moving on? [14:27] He did say 'brb' [14:27] I'm back [14:27] heh [14:27] Um [14:27] Someone gaffa tape him to his chair for the meeting? [14:27] StevenK, what am I supposed to do when the doorbell rings, ignore it? [14:28] * ogra goes shopping for some gaffa, brb [14:28] [topic] any other business [14:28] New Topic: any other business [14:28] NCommander: Works for me [14:28] :P [14:28] StevenK: I had added Review of seed changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap I think we're up-to-date [14:28] NCommander: What about bugs? [14:28] ah [14:28] StevenK: Is this correct? [14:28] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:28] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:28] I thought I sent that one [14:28] Although, if someone is ringing my doorbell at 11:30pm, I'm going to answer with a curse [14:28] StevenK: I think we're also up-to-date WRT to UNR upstream releases into karmic [14:28] [topic] bug #422414 Icons too dark with Dust [14:28] New Topic: bug #422414 Icons too dark with Dust [14:29] Launchpad bug 422414 in humanity-icon-theme "Icons too dark with Dust" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422414 [14:29] Hah, my bug [14:29] * ogra hands Hobbsee a lamp [14:29] thanks! [14:29] * Hobbsee could use that, with half the lights in this room gone [14:29] and a towel to wipe off the dust [14:30] lets just say it made for *very* interesting debugging of network manager at university yesterday, when I couldn't see it. [14:30] heh [14:30] * ogra sees it if the screen is at full brightness [14:30] StevenK: is this really UNR specific? [14:30] it was [14:30] lool: Sure it is [14:30] Ok [14:30] lool, well, its theme specific [14:30] lool: UNR is the only thing that uses Dust + Humanity [14:30] StevenK: Are you working on it? [14:31] Oh sorry I was looking at anothe rbug [14:31] * lool is confused [14:31] * StevenK waits for lool to be unconfused [14:31] StevenK: Did you raise this to Neil or someone maintaining the themes? [14:32] StevenK: Could you? [14:32] Certainly [14:32] Ok thanks [14:33] What I had loaded was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ibus/+bug/420282 [14:33] Launchpad bug 420282 in ibus "ibus is in "other" category in the menu" [Undecided,New] [14:33] That one didn't seem UNR specific [14:33] [topic] bug #420282 ibus is in "other" category in the menu [14:33] I see it under the desktop too [14:33] New Topic: bug #420282 ibus is in "other" category in the menu [14:33] Launchpad bug 420282 in ibus "ibus is in "other" category in the menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420282 [14:33] I'll be investigating that tomorrow with -desktop [14:33] unsubing unr and removing tag [14:33] Cool [14:33] So leave it for the moment [14:33] armel bugs [14:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-armel [14:34] It could be a launcher issue [14:34] ogra: Still nobody around for oo.o? [14:34] i researched the sound device issues yesterady [14:34] [topic] bug #417009 all openoffice apps die in 'com::sun::star::ucb::InteractiveAugmentedIOException' on armel in karmic [14:34] New Topic: bug #417009 all openoffice apps die in 'com::sun::star::ucb::InteractiveAugmentedIOException' on armel in karmic [14:34] oh [14:34] Launchpad bug 417009 in openoffice.org "all openoffice apps die in 'com::sun::star::ucb::InteractiveAugmentedIOException' on armel in karmic" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417009 [14:34] oo.o is raised with davidm [14:34] I guess we're not doing it that way [14:34] ogra: Could you ask rickspencer today? he wanst at the release team meeting so i couldnt ask him myself [14:34] he will talk to rick [14:34] he wanted to do it himself [14:34] ok cool [14:34] ogra: tomboy, waiting for upstream? [14:35] i will do more research on the mxcfb bug soon to add proper straces for usplash [14:35] ogra: 418265 Warning in ehci-hcd.c:911 on kernel 2.6.31-5-imx51 did kernel team ack? [14:35] no [14:35] and the description is wrong [14:35] needs an update, GrueMaster mind to do it ? [14:35] ogra: Mind if I make you bug master for tracking the mx51 specific bugs? [14:35] Thought I already had. [14:36] tomboy is waiting for me to find time, lokely after A5 [14:36] ogra: I mean in this case GrueMaster filed it but it's easier if you're just tracking everything imx51 [14:36] i do [14:36] Ok cool [14:36] ogra: Could you sort out bug title with GrueMaster and move it on the kernel team's plate? [14:36] yep [14:36] its a weird one though [14:36] i intend to work with kernel team to setup a more explicit process but for now it's going to be "manual" [14:36] apparently only GrueMaster has such issues [14:37] cool [14:37] ogra: 420447 > assigned, fine [14:37] 391588 > banshee; dyfet: what's the progress here? [14:37] yep and milestoned for A6 [14:37] I haven't retried it since I am now able to image a SATA drive. Will retest later today, but I doubt I'll see a change in the results. [14:38] I was in the middle of a new core dump for that... [14:38] 383240 > ffmpeg opts: lool you're fucking late on that one [14:38] heh [14:38] lool: Ack [14:38] thunderbird/385325 I shall ping asac, he's back now [14:39] half of it will be solved if we switch default options, no ? [14:39] (ffmpeg that is) [14:39] ogra: 420555 mxcfb > whats up? [14:39] ogra: no it's for NEON [14:39] we dont turn on NEON [14:39] ah [14:39] * ogra points ^^^ [14:39] 15:35 < ogra> i will do more research on the mxcfb bug soon to add proper straces for usplash [14:39] ok [14:39] right [14:39] plars, GrueMaster: I added ~ubuntu-moblin to the mix [14:39] so we see which syscall is at fault [14:40] on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:40] lool: thanks [14:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-moblin is empty for now though [14:40] bugfreee !!! [14:40] Ok; I think we're done with bug review; are we? [14:40] Did I miss any? [14:40] Any comments/questions/other bugs? [14:40] I think you got them all [14:40] Any other bug which is not tracked for karmic and should be [14:40] I have 2 questions: [14:40] 1. ogra has the "BabbageImageFrromScratch" wiki page, will there be a similar one for Marvell Dove (i'm requesting one) [14:40] 2. there will be no support for z0 boards? [14:40] (>= high that is) [14:40] we'll surely see lots once the images are properly tested [14:41] bjf: We wont release an image for z boards but we're happy that you put together a kernel package for it as that allows people with one to install 100% from archive [14:41] bjf, 2) no there will be perbuilt image [14:41] bjf, one exists for using images which we should have today or tomorrow [14:41] lool: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-moblin-remix/+bug/420664 doesn't show up on either of your moblin queries [14:41] Launchpad bug 420664 in ubuntu-moblin-remix "No way to power off/logout/reboot" [Undecided,New] [14:41] bjf, for 1) i can lend NCommander a hand [14:42] ogra, lool, NCommander thanks [14:42] bjf: Basicallly we try to support older platforms like babbage 1 or dove z0, but it's best effort and in this case adding an extra pass to build a special image for z0 would be a lot space + time [14:42] lool, well, DoveImageFromScratch would solve it [14:42] lool, well, we could create a netinstall z0 image pretty trivially, its just a config file in d-i [14:42] s/netinstall/netboot/g [14:42] but that needs to be written :) [14:42] lool, I understand the issue, it's just that there are not enough Y* boards to go around [14:42] bjf: Reasons being that we'd need another level of differenciation on cdimage (armel+dove and armel+dove+z0), double the QA time etc. etc. [14:42] bjf: Agreed [14:43] bjf: this is being slowly fixed though [14:43] lool, any news on more Y* boards? [14:43] NCommander: Oh sure do that if you like [14:43] NCommander: Can you action yourself to create a DoveImageFromScratch and a netboot install for z0? [14:43] bjf: Anmar and I are discussing with Mvl but it's very complex [14:43] [action] NCommander to create netboot install for z0 [14:43] ACTION received: NCommander to create netboot install for z0 [14:43] they are short of Y boards and cant provide as many to cover all our needs [14:43] [action] NCommander to create DoveImageFromScratch [14:43] ACTION received: NCommander to create DoveImageFromScratch [14:43] lool, ack [14:43] There are many params in place [14:44] bjf: Youre on top of the list for a y1 though for obvisou reasons [14:44] bjf: Does that answer your questions? [14:46] bjf: i guess it did :) [14:47] NCommander: AOB? [14:47] [topic] Any other business [14:47] New Topic: Any other business [14:47] NCommander: mind pinging njpatel next week at beginning of meeting so that he can join? [14:47] please all help on the ftbfs list [14:47] for armel [14:47] Ah some notes here [14:47] so we get proper images [14:47] [action] NCommander to ping njpatel at start of next weeks minute [14:47] ACTION received: NCommander to ping njpatel at start of next weeks minute [14:47] :-) [14:47] there just was a mass give back: all packages will be retried [14:47] That way it will happen [14:48] er [14:48] If packages are failing due to lack of memory, we need to talk to IS to schedule a build [14:48] [action] NCommander to ping njpatel at start of next weeks meeting [14:48] ACTION received: NCommander to ping njpatel at start of next weeks meeting [14:48] right, but we currently lack webkit and empathy for working images [14:48] NCommander: it's like every week :) [14:48] i'm working on webkit atm [14:48] I hate to bring more bad news to the table, but I am really limited on testing this week. First I am traveling to Georgia on Wed (wife's plan, not mine and it was scheduled before the sprint). Second, my netbook SSD died, and is going in for warranty replacement. [14:48] lool, sorry, yes, my questions are all answered, thanks [14:48] GrueMaster: Will you travel with a laptop + virtualbox images? [14:48] I figured out why the dove images are currently broken [14:48] For some good news [14:49] That's the only option. [14:49] We will hopefully have bootable dove images for A5 [14:49] Maybe even installable, depending if we get a kernel upload before A5, and I can get partman-auto and flash-kernel in line [14:49] GrueMaster: Well I had others :) but at least you'll be able to do some virtual testing [14:49] I won't be able to test arm images. [14:49] NCommander, "hopefully" ? [14:49] NCommander: I need to move flash-kernel to bzr BTW [14:50] ++ [14:50] ++ [14:50] lool, please put it somewhere I can commit to :-/ [14:50] we *will* have bootable dove images for A5 [14:50] ~ubuntu-mobile [14:50] ogra, as long as we get squashfs [14:50] bootable :P [14:50] It might end on the ubuntu-installer umbrella, not sure yet [14:50] Need to check it out with these folks [14:51] Ok anybody anything to raise? [14:51] NCommander: thanks a lot for chairing every week BTW [14:51] Its fine [14:51] #endmeeting [14:51] Meeting finished at 08:51. [14:51] thanks all [14:52] thanks === asac_ is now known as asac [16:00] o/ [16:00] o/ [16:01] hello [16:01] o- [16:01] let's get the server team started [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz. [16:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:01] Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:02] last week's meeting minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090825 [16:02] [TOPIC] FFE for bacula [16:02] New Topic: FFE for bacula [16:02] so we decided we would not push bacula 3.0.X in karmic [16:03] but instead make it available in a ppa [16:03] mathiaz: any reason ? [16:03] (not agruing, curious) [16:03] ikonia: to late in the release cycle [16:03] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bacula/+archive/ppa [16:04] mathiaz: will it be mentioned in the ubuntu-server-guide? [16:04]