[00:00] <shakaran> W:myapp: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/myapp
[00:00] <shakaran> N:
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    Each binary in /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /bin, /sbin or /usr/games should
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    have a manual page
[00:00] <shakaran> N:
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    Note that though the man program has the capability to check for several
[00:00] <showard> amplebein: thanks, I'm rebuilding with pbuilder and i386 now - if that works should i file a "rebuild" bug?
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    program names in the NAMES section, each of these programs should have
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    its own manual page (a symbolic link to the appropriate manual page is
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    sufficient) because other manual page viewers such as xman or tkman
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    don't support this.
[00:00] <shakaran> N:
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    If the name of the man page differs from the binary by case, man may be
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    able to find it anyway; however, it is still best practice to make the
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    case of the man page match the case of the binary.
[00:00] <joaopinto> GRRRR
[00:00] <shakaran> N:
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    If the man pages are provided by another package on which this package
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    depends, lintian may not be able to determine that man pages are
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    available. In this case, after confirming that all binaries do have man
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    pages after this package and its dependencies are installed, please add
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    a lintian override.
[00:00] <shakaran> N:
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    Refer to Debian Policy Manual section 12.1 (Manual pages) for details.
[00:00] <shakaran> N:
[00:00] <shakaran> N:    Severity: normal, Certainty: possible
[00:00] <shakaran> (sorry for flood)
[00:00] <Ampelbein> showard: no need to, if it is successful, notify me and I'll request a giveback
[00:01] <joaopinto> shakaran, are you familiar with pastebin ?
[00:01] <Ampelbein> shakaran: paste.ubuntu.com (in case you did not know this)
[00:01] <shakaran> ok, I will check now
[00:01] <porthose> shakaran, have you read debian policy 12.1?
[00:02] <shakaran> yeah, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html but I dont know to fix this
[00:02] <shakaran> It says something like nroff
[00:06] <shakaran> well, then what I need to fix?
[00:14] <shakaran> I need to gzip the file?
[00:14] <joaopinto> shakaran, you should learn how to use linux in general, and care about development/packaging later
[00:15] <shakaran> well, then when I release my app?
[00:15] <joaopinto> not understanding how file permissions work is a serious risk for packaging
[00:16] <shakaran> The problem is that I dont know every word in english, and all the documentation is in ENGLISH
[00:16] <joaopinto> shakaran, when you are ready to do it, or by filling a needs packaging request and wait for someone to package it
[00:16] <shakaran> the lintian message dont suggest anything for me over change the permission of file
[00:17] <shakaran> only "read the manual"...and "read again"...that dont help anything
[00:17] <joaopinto> shakaran,  I was refering to your previous question, about the image file permissions
[00:18] <shakaran> yeah, but your answer offend me
[00:18] <joaopinto> shakaran, you need to understand how to generate a manpage and how to install it as part of the packaging process
[00:19] <joaopinto> shakaran, I had no intention to offend you, is just that you should get basic linux skills before packaging, understandinf file permissions is fundamental
[00:19] <directhex> manpage generation isn't actually a common skill amongst ubuntu packagers, but it's mandatory for debian's NM process
[00:19] <shakaran> yeah, I read a lot of stuff, but it is only for C, myapp is write in python and many things changes (maybe dont with manpage)
[00:19] <shakaran> I use ubuntu since 5.04...believe I know how to change the file permissions, but I dont understand what says me the message
[00:20] <joaopinto> shakaran, ok please apologize I didn't understood it was an english interpretation problem :(
[00:21] <shakaran> yeah, my real problem is write/speak in english (I have a basic level)
[00:22] <shakaran> joaopinto: apology accepted
[00:23] <shakaran> well, then I have the XML file on /debian (I really want learn to package by myself). Then I change the manpage.xml.ex to myapp.xml
[00:23] <shakaran> And then I don gzip -9 myapp.xml?
[00:24] <shakaran> I need change the debian/rules file to copy to /usr/share/man/?
[00:24] <shakaran> or something more for remove the lintian warning?
[00:26] <joaopinto> shakaran, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/SupplementaryFiles#Man%20Pages
[00:27] <shakaran> thanks, I go to read it (Im back if I have problems)
[00:38] <showard> ampelbein: octave3.0 builds now, I think the bug you linked fixed it. Could you do a "give-back?" (is a give-back just a request to the build server to rebuild?)
[00:39] <Ampelbein> showard: yes. will do.
[00:41] <jtimberman> yeehaw. 'jaunty' packages built for all the dependencies for chef that weren't backported yet. yay sbuild.
[00:43] <jtimberman> man pages, fwiw, are much easier to digest when you have help2man (and a program properly outputs --help and --version).
[00:45] <shakaran> joaopinto: I read the manual. It says about use pod2man and include perl as dependency, but it only neccesary for build from .pod file to manpage. I use a .xml file for that, how to convert from .xml?
[00:54] <Zhenech> p3rror, ping
[00:54] <shakaran> please, I need some help
[01:05] <porthose> shakaran, not sure this will help http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/xmlto
[01:06] <shakaran> I see xsltproc, but it doesn't working
[01:08] <shakaran> I see something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/262809/
[06:05] <sluimers> How do I add a repository to pbuilder so that it CAN find my build dependencies?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> the OTHERMIRROR= in the config file
[06:13] <jmarsden> sluimers: See http://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks
[06:13] <sluimers> jmarsden, thanks!
[06:14] <jmarsden> No problem.
[06:43] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <iulian> Morning dholbach!
[06:45] <dholbach> hola iulian
[07:03] <highvoltage> gooood morning
[07:04] <highvoltage> (and happy spring if you're in the bottom half of the world)
[07:04] <lifeless> highvoltage: top half, I swear it is.
[07:04] <lifeless> see, the centre of gravity of humans is in the northen hemisphere... so it has to have rolled to the bottom :)
[07:05]  * jmarsden thinks... some people and their upside-down maps :)
[07:05] <highvoltage> lifeless: heh, sounds logical!
[07:06] <jmarsden> http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/
[07:07] <highvoltage> that just looks weird
[07:09] <highvoltage> (but cool)
[08:31] <gaspa> 'morning!!
[08:45] <dholbach> gaspa:
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[08:45] <dholbach>                                                                             
[08:45] <dholbach> :-)
[08:45] <gaspa> LOL
[08:46] <gaspa> wow, thank you, really!
[08:47]  * gaspa saves this irc log...
[08:47] <dholbach> :-)
[08:53] <qiyong> we still use initrd?
[11:03] <dstansby> Please could someone with the relevant privelages mark https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/417337 as invalid?
[11:04] <dstansby> Sorry, please could that be won't fix
[11:45] <dundee> Hi, I have a problem with building python package with CDBS (might be cdbs bug) https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/81583 Any sugestions how to solve it?
[11:49] <andv> dundee, it's not a cdbs bug
[11:49] <andv> dundee, your python-dev dep is listed as python-dev >= 2.5
[11:49] <andv> dundee, in karmic we have python-dev 2.6
[11:50] <andv> dundee, Get:10 http://ftpmaster.internal jaunty/main python2.6 2.6.2-0ubuntu1 [2454kB]
[11:50] <andv> Get:11 http://ftpmaster.internal jaunty/main python 2.6.2-0ubuntu1 [141kB]
[11:50] <andv> that's it ;)
[11:51] <andv> dundee, and anyway julian gave you the answer already
[11:53] <dundee> thanks, will try
[11:54] <andv> np
[13:12] <c_korn> andv: hello
[14:16] <c_korn> is it just me or is the gnome-panel currently always reloading in karmic ?
[14:16] <c_korn> hm, this question better goes to #ubuntu+q
[14:16] <c_korn> #ubuntu+1
[14:17] <Hobbsee> c_korn:
[14:17] <Hobbsee> c_korn: it shouldn't be.  i don't notice it doing so here
[14:18] <c_korn> in #ubuntu+1 nemo has the same problem
[14:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:09] <flohack> Hi! How can I specify that a certain file is a configuration file when using a .install file to copy files from the source into the binary package?
[16:10] <flohack> I'm using debhelper
[16:22] <flohack> Where can I find docs on the various .XXX files? I know about .install .links, are there more?
[16:28] <christoph_debian> .docs .dirs
[16:28] <christoph_debian> .link(s?)
[16:29] <christoph_debian> .symbols
[16:29] <jmarsden> flohack: Read all the dh_* man pages if you need to know all of them.
[16:30] <flohack> jmarsden: ahh...I see, those beginning with dh_install are the right ones, thanks!
[16:30] <jmarsden> No problem.  man 7 debhelper has a list of the dh_ commands, if you need that.
[16:42] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week starting in 19 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:38] <a1g_> i have a question about snort package for jaunty
[17:38] <a1g_> when will it get updated?
[17:38] <a1g_> seeing as snort 2.7.0 is vulnerable
[17:39] <a1g_> kinda hard to believe since its a security package
[17:43] <jdstrand> a1g_: snort is a universe package and is community supported. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam#Introduction
[17:48] <a1g_> ok, thx
[17:49] <a1g_> will snort2.8.4.1 from karmic work on jaunty?
[18:11] <jdong> ah, the joys of compiling on battery :)
[18:11] <Gnome64> ^^
[18:13] <jdong> it feels great to be back though :) how's everyone been this summer?
[18:26] <dutchie> is there any chance at all that http://revu.ubuntuwire.net/p/suvat will make it into karmic?
[18:34] <c_korn> eh, can someone confirm that my math is not that bad ? :)
[18:34] <c_korn> http://pastebin.com/d38b5910c
[18:34] <RainCT_> c_korn: 42 is bigger than 5...
[18:36] <c_korn> RainCT_: ah, this way the versions are compared. thanks
[18:55] <dutchie> W: suvat source: timewarp-standards-version (2009-08-07 < 2009-08-16)
[18:55] <dutchie> what does that mean?
[18:56] <RainCT_> dutchie: that the standards-version you set was released at a date later than the date in the top entry of your debian/changelog
[18:57] <dutchie> the top entry of debian/changelog is today
[18:57] <dutchie> oops, no it's not
[19:11] <sbeattie> Any chance I could get an upload for the merge request in bug 420931?
[20:52] <czambran> I found a bug that I believe I can fix. You can see the bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mime-support/+bug/412444
[20:53] <czambran> this seems like something that should be reported upstream
[20:53] <czambran> how do I go about doing that?
[20:53] <czambran> or should I just fix it on Ubuntu?
[21:01] <zooko> What is the "upstream" for mime-support -- is it Debian?
[21:02] <czambran> I believe so
[21:02] <czambran> the LP page for that package doesn't say
[21:02] <czambran> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mime-support
[21:13] <zooko> czambran: are you sure Debian has the same bug?
[21:17] <czambran> yes, they do
[21:17] <czambran> I downloaded the source package from this url
[21:17] <czambran> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/mime-support
[21:18] <zooko> czambran: thanks.
[21:18] <zooko> Also Brian Warner confirmed on his Debian sid box.
[21:18] <czambran> where did you see that?
[21:18] <czambran> I am very new at this
[21:18] <zooko> I asked him over on #tahoe.
[21:19] <warner> here
[21:19] <warner> I'll paste the line..
[21:19] <Nafai> warner!
[21:19] <warner> travis? whoa!
[21:19] <warner> long time, man
[21:19] <zooko> So you should use launchpad and add to that ticket: "Also affects distribution" -> Debian
[21:19] <Nafai> no kidding :)
[21:19] <zooko> Hey, shouldn't that be "effects" not "affects"?
[21:19] <zooko> Howdy Nafai.
[21:20] <zooko> I followed your medical crisis on twitter.
[21:20] <zooko> Strange how we live in science fiction.
[21:20] <czambran> that is pretty handy. It said "Debian doesn't use Launchpad as its bug tracker. Without a bug URL to watch, the Debian status will not update automatically"
[21:20] <czambran> and I clicked on the 'Add anyway' button
[21:21] <warner> % grep espi /etc/mime.types
[21:21] <warner> application/postscript                          ps ai eps espi epsf eps2 eps3
[21:21] <zooko> Ah, so I guess now you need to open a debian bug report.  :-)
[21:21] <Nafai> zooko: Thanks.  It's much less of a crisis now that I'm stable after the transplant. :)
[21:22] <zooko> I'm glad you are okay.
[21:22] <czambran> zooko, should I do it manually or install the program reportbug which they suggest I use?
[21:24] <warner> czambran: if you've got a sid box, you should use reportbug.. it will include details like what version you've got installed
[21:24] <warner> I haven't tried to install/run reportbug on an unbuntu box
[21:25] <czambran> I could always run another virtual machine. I will do that then
[21:25] <zooko> warner: :-(  reportbug was utterly and horribly broken on Ubuntu from before the first release of Ubuntu until they finally after many years did something
[21:25] <zooko> ...
[21:25] <czambran> I learned how to submit patches for simple bugs. Should I submit one on the LP ticket?
[21:25] <warner> czambran: it'll basically write the email for you and then hand it to you to add details and send it
[21:26] <zooko> Oh, I see.
[21:26] <zooko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/reportbug/+bug/123414
[21:26] <zooko> reportbug reports bugs to *debian* when you run it on Ubuntu, provided you've configured it right.
[21:28] <zooko> trip down memory lane: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/reportbug/+bug/228183/comments/12
[21:29] <dundee> Hi, python package is installed into /usr/share/pyshared using cdbs by default, but this path is not in python-path. How to automaticaly create neccessary symlinks?
[21:38] <czambran> reportbug worked fine on Ubuntu Karmic
[21:39] <zooko> czambran: it opened a bug report in Debian?  Sweet.
[21:39] <czambran> I think so
[21:39] <czambran> it didn't give any errors
[21:39] <czambran> I am waiting for the confirmation e-mail
[21:41] <czambran> zooko, should I post a patch on LP or just wait for warner to fix it upstream and then for Ubuntu to sync?
[21:42] <zooko> I don't think you should wait for warner to fix it.
[21:42] <zooko> Since he isn't the maintainer of it.
[21:42] <zooko> It doesn't hurt to post your patch on LP.
[21:43] <czambran> great
[21:43] <czambran> thanks a lot zooko
[21:45] <dundee> Nothing about this in python packaging guide...
[21:45] <zooko> Maybe after you get the DEbian bug report number you could add an "also effects distribution" tag on the LP ticket.
[21:45] <zooko> dundee: sorry, I don't know about that.
[21:47] <dundee> zooko: ok, thanks anyway
[21:48] <geser> dundee: python-{support,central} create the necessary symlinks (depending on which the package use)
[21:51] <czambran> zooko, I will do that. I also subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors to the ticket
[21:57] <dundee> geser: ah, thanks :)
[22:31] <c_korn> andv: ping
[22:32] <andv> c_korn, hi
[22:35] <c_korn> hi andv
[22:35] <c_korn> scilab now builds in karmic
[22:35] <andv> oh great
[22:36] <c_korn> there is a new version in debian, too
[22:36] <c_korn> which can be synced
[22:36] <andv> is it a new upstream release?
[22:36] <c_korn> do I need a FFe now ?
[22:36] <andv> or just a new revision
[22:36] <c_korn> just new revision
[22:36] <andv> if it's a new revision (no new upstream release) it's ok
[22:36] <andv> to sync it
[22:36] <c_korn> fine (it is bug 414410 btw)
[22:37] <c_korn> it is scilab 5.1.1-8 now
[22:37] <andv> c_korn, added on TODOs
[22:37] <andv> c_korn, will be done later or tomorrow morning
[22:38] <c_korn> thanks. do I need to do something with the bug ?
[22:38] <c_korn> update title or description ?
[22:38] <andv> c_korn, yes, please move it to a proper sync request explaining the FTBFS has been fixed
[22:38] <andv> c_korn, adding the -8 changelog revision would be nice as well
[22:39] <c_korn> should I open a new bug or just change anything there ?
[22:39] <andv> no need to open a new bug
[22:40] <andv> change everything needed there
[22:40] <andv> change bug title, plus update description with latest entry and informations about the fixed ftbfs
[22:42] <andv> and then I gonna take care of it
[22:45] <c_korn> done
[22:46] <andv> c_korn, perfect
[22:47] <c_korn> thanks :)
[22:48] <andv> :)
[22:48] <andv> thanks for fixing it
[22:52] <c_korn> np
[23:32] <Laney> urgh
[23:32] <Laney> the package I want to use for my session doesn't respect DESTDIR
[23:32] <Laney> or whatever qmake does
[23:36] <czambran> what should I do to a bug report for something that seems to have been fixed in Karmic?
[23:39] <Ampelbein> czambran: there is stock reply for that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Fixed%20in%20Development%20release%20while%20still%20existing%20in%20a%20previous%20release
[23:40] <czambran> thanks Ampelbein
[23:55] <Adri2000> hmm, u-d-t broken