[00:09] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:06] <LaserJock> holy cow, real internet!
[03:11] <sbalneav> LaserJock!!!!
[03:11] <sbalneav> WB
[03:11] <LaserJock> I finally got internet
[03:12] <LaserJock> after ~ 3 weeks of no internet on my linux machine
[03:12] <sbalneav> Coolio.
[03:12] <sbalneav> Want an update?
[03:12] <sbalneav> How did the move go
[03:13] <LaserJock> still sort of in progress
[03:13] <LaserJock> wife, pets, and a car load of stuff is here
[03:13] <LaserJock> but thursday the rest of our stuff arrives
[03:13] <LaserJock> geeze
[03:14] <LaserJock> I'm getting 24Mb/s down and 4Mb/s up
[03:14] <sbalneav> You've got everything you love there, the rest is just stuff
[03:14] <sbalneav> that's not bad.
[03:15] <LaserJock> that's like 10x better than what my old internet was
[03:16] <sbalneav> Cool!
[03:17] <sbalneav> So, We'll expect 10 times the work out of you, right? BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
[03:17] <sbalneav> Nah, you're working hard enough.
[03:17] <sbalneav> So, we have a working sabayon
[03:17] <LaserJock> yeah, stuff is crazy here
[03:17] <LaserJock> yeah, I read something about that
[03:17] <LaserJock> as in, really really working?
[03:18] <sbalneav> http://ltspthinclient.blogspot.com/
[03:18] <sbalneav> yep.
[03:18] <sbalneav> Boots, edits profiles, applies them.
[03:18] <sbalneav> I
[03:18] <sbalneav> I've branched the edubuntu handbook, and started work on that.
[03:20] <LaserJock> excellent
[03:22] <LaserJock> brb, gotta set up wireless router
[06:15] <alkisg> Good morning
[09:06] <highvolt1ge> good morning alkisg!
[13:48] <mhall119|work> morning
[13:56] <nubae> hi mhall119|work
[13:57] <nubae> mhall119|work: can I entice u to give up some of your free time on helping create some moodle courses here: linux-for-education.org... I've created 2 ubuntu specific ones already, and am on a third one... but it needs even more loving...
[14:05] <mhall119|work> nubae: if I had free time to give I would
[14:05] <nubae> I know the feeling... I have to try and get involvement somehow
[14:05] <mhall119|work> what kind of courses are you looking for?
[14:06] <nubae> each course takes about 5-10 minutes to create
[14:06] <mhall119|work> nubae: my problem is that I'm too involved in too many things
[14:06] <nubae> but anything from, how to install chrome on Ubuntu
[14:06] <nubae> or how to get LTSP working on ubuntu
[14:06] <nubae> how to set up LDAP with nfs on ubuntu
[14:06] <nubae> there are tons and tons of courses that would be helpful
[14:07] <nubae> I've created 2 really general ones to give u an example
[14:07] <nubae> take a look
[14:07] <mhall119|work> does it have to be Ubuntu related?
[14:07] <nubae> the beautify one is actuallly really cool to follow
[14:07] <nubae> not at all
[14:07] <nubae> its everything Linux and edu
[14:07] <mhall119|work> cause I know a lot of English teachers
[14:07] <nubae> in fact... the project is hosted by Novel
[14:08] <nubae> excellent
[14:08] <nubae> that would be even better content
[14:08] <nubae> take a look at the categories
[14:08] <nubae> We are trying to make it the place to go to if u want a course of any kind in various languages even
[14:08] <mhall119|work> I'll pass the link along to all my educator friends
[14:08] <nubae> ok, if they need admin access... have the email me
[14:09] <mhall119|work> I'll also pass it around my LoCo
[14:09] <nubae> dvanassche @ gmail dot com or its on my web: nubae.com
[14:09] <nubae> the cool thing is, we have this free space by Novell, a good looking moodle site, and tons of possibilities
[14:09] <mhall119|work> do they need admin access to create courses?
[14:09] <nubae> its a shame to let it just sit there
[14:09] <nubae> to create a course yes
[14:10] <nubae> to follow it no
[14:10] <mhall119|work> ok
[14:10] <nubae> otherwise it would be abused pretty badly by spammers
[14:10] <mhall119|work> ubuntu-fl.org has a couple tutorials on it already, I'll see if I can get the author of them to make a moodle course from it
[14:10] <mhall119|work> you should see about converting the Ubuntu Developer Week classes into moddle courses
[14:11] <mhall119|work> have you talked to dholbach?
[14:12] <mhall119|work> The Next link on one of the courses is pointing to http://nubae.selfip.com/moodle/mod/resource/view.php?id=1125
[14:12] <mhall119|work> is that right?
[14:14] <nubae> oh shit, yeah
[14:14] <nubae> need to fix that
[14:14] <nubae> no... thats cause I was working at home
[14:14] <nubae> first and then uploaded
[14:14] <nubae> what page is that on?
[14:14] <mhall119|work> http://www.linux-for-education.org/mod/resource/view.php?id=1123
[14:15] <nubae> shit... wonder how that happened
[14:15] <mhall119|work> the Previous link points off-site too
[14:16] <nubae> a lot of those courses are copied directly from open university
[14:16] <nubae> whch has creative commons moodle courses
[14:16] <mhall119|work> looks like most of the links go off-site actually
[14:17] <nubae> yeah, the internal ones that have that structure... I guess I can just do a sed 's/nubae.selfip.com/linux-for-education/g' *
[14:17]  * Ahmuck-Sr waves
[14:18] <nubae> mhall119|work: thanks for finding that...
[14:18] <mhall119|work> np
[14:19] <mhall119|work> also, dholbach thinks it would be great turn the UDW classes into moddle courses, if someone has the time and initiative to do it
[14:23] <nubae> where are they located?
[14:23] <nubae> I might do it to get more people motivated to help
[14:23] <nubae> it seems more content motivates people more :-/
[14:30] <mhall119|work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek has the logs
[22:04] <dgroos> Hi All,
[22:06] <dgroos> I'm trying to re-install CmapTools into the chroot so as to run that program as a localapp.
[22:07] <dgroos> I'm following the instructions I wrote at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GuiInstallLocalApp but... I can't do 1 thing that it says in the directions: "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ su $SUDO_USER"
[22:08] <dgroos> It gives an authentication error, both when I sudo it and when I've sudo su -ed it.  Any idea?  Thanks.
[22:09] <dgroos> I should say, the instruction I was trying to follow was the last line in step 3 of that page.
[22:10] <sbalneav> Why not break it up a little more?
[22:10] <sbalneav> sudo -i
[22:10] <sbalneav> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[22:10] <sbalneav> su $SUDO_USER
[22:10] <alkisg> dgroos: maybe you need to export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS as well?
[22:11] <dgroos> alkisg: thanks, I try that then repeat that last line.
[22:12] <dgroos> um... what do I type before the code you gave me, "sudo export"?
[22:13] <alkisg> dgroos: first try it manually
[22:13] <alkisg> I.e. echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS as the user,
[22:13] <dgroos> OK "Command not found".
[22:14] <alkisg> and then, while you're logged on as root, export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=<the user value here>
[22:14] <alkisg> echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
[22:14] <alkisg> that ^^ as *the user* gives you command not found?
[22:16] <dgroos> when I typed, DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS it said, command not found.  When I typed, "echo DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS it said, DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS"
[22:16] <alkisg> Don't forget the dollar there
[22:16] <alkisg> (12:14:18 πμ) alkisg: echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
[22:17] <dgroos> right!
[22:17] <alkisg> E.g. here's what I did to get an xterm from the chroot:
[22:17] <alkisg> ok never mind go on ...
[22:17] <dgroos> OK it typed nothing...
[22:17] <sbalneav> Did you get "authentication error", or "unknown user"?
[22:17] <dgroos> blank line.
[22:17] <dgroos> no
[22:18] <sbalneav> So if you do a:
[22:18] <sbalneav> sudo -i
[22:18] <sbalneav> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[22:18] <sbalneav> su $SUDO_USER
[22:18] <sbalneav> you get an auth error?
[22:19]  * alkisg wonders why he needs to run it as a user, and can't run it as root
[22:19]  * sbalneav too
[22:20] <dgroos> hmmm... I can't sudo
[22:20] <sbalneav> So, the sudo's failing, right?
[22:20] <dgroos>  I tried sudo -i and it wouldn't take my password.
[22:20] <dgroos> right
[22:20] <sbalneav> that's a different kettle of fish
[22:20] <alkisg> dgroos: so if I download cmaptools, and get it to open a gui installer, you're ok?
[22:20] <sbalneav> sudo cp /etc/passwd /etc/group /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
[22:21] <dgroos> ya know, I did all the stuff on this page in step 3 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GuiInstallLocalApp
[22:21] <sbalneav> That's blantantly wrong, I think.
[22:21] <dgroos> :(
[22:21] <sbalneav> Have a look at your /etc/group
[22:21] <sbalneav> is it a copy of your /etc/passwd?
[22:22] <dgroos> alkisg: I'm trying to use a gui installer on the chroot as the root user, that's the trick.
[22:22] <alkisg> dgroos: where can I download cmaptools?
[22:22] <dgroos> sbalneav: I'll check...
[22:23] <alkisg> Oooh... big one
[22:24] <dgroos> alkisg: it's right here http://cmap.ihmc.us/download/ but you gotta sign up though it's free.  I've used this program for years on my own and with my students: it's awesome.
[22:24] <alkisg> Yeah I know people also use it here - but I've never used it though
[22:24] <alkisg> I think you don't need all this passwd stuff, you could run the installer as root.
[22:24] <sbalneav> dgroos: is your /etc/group buggered up?
[22:26]  * sbalneav shrugs
[22:26] <dgroos> hm... since I did those things in step 3 on that page mentioned, I can't use gedit, it appears: "Gtk-WARNING **: cannont open display: :0
[22:27] <dgroos> sbalneav: I'm working on keeping up--kinda slow...
[22:27] <sbalneav> more /etc/group
[22:27] <sbalneav> should look like:
[22:27] <sbalneav> root:x:0:
[22:27] <sbalneav> daemon:x:1:
[22:27] <sbalneav> bin:x:2:
[22:27] <sbalneav> etc.
[22:28] <dgroos> OK  what deviation from pattern should I look for?
[22:28] <sbalneav> What do you have at the top?  What's the first line?
[22:29] <dgroos> just like you put for top 3 lines.
[22:29] <sbalneav> ok
[22:30] <sbalneav> So sudo -i give you auth error.  What happens if you control-alt-f1 and try to log in as yourself on a text terminal?
[22:31] <dgroos> if I control-alt-f2 I'll get a local terminal on the thin client--I'm working on the thin client--should I do that?
[22:32] <sbalneav> No, you should do it on the server.
[22:32] <sbalneav> Time for me to head home.
[22:32] <dgroos> w/ f1 it says login incorrect--
[22:33] <sbalneav> On the server?
[22:33] <dgroos> sbalneav: thanks for your help!  take it easy...
[22:33] <sbalneav> I wouldn't log out if I were you
[22:33] <dgroos> (I'll nx into the server--don't have physical access...
[22:33] <dgroos> ok
[22:33] <sbalneav> if you've managed to muck up your auth somehow, if you log out you might not get in.
[22:34] <dgroos> how do I get off the control-alt-f1 screen?
[22:34] <sbalneav> control alt f7
[22:34] <alkisg1> dgroos: I just downloaded and tried it
[22:34] <sbalneav> ok, heading home.
[22:34] <alkisg1> No need for any of the things you do with passwd, users etc
[22:34] <dgroos> OK.
[22:34] <sbalneav> back on tonight
[22:34] <dgroos> adios
[22:34] <alkisg1> Bye sbalneav
[22:35] <dgroos> alkisg1: ??? no way!
[22:35] <alkisg> dgroos: want a screenshot? :)
[22:35] <dgroos> OK... I believe you... :)
[22:35] <alkisg> 1) xhost +
[22:35] <alkisg> 2) sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[22:36] <alkisg> 3) export DISPLAY=:0
[22:36] <alkisg> (I don't know if that's really needed, but anyway...)
[22:36] <alkisg> 4) sh LinuxCmapTools_v5.03_04-07-09.bin
[22:36] <alkisg> That's all, then I got the installer running graphically.
[22:37] <dgroos> and so will it work as local app afterwards?
[22:37] <alkisg> Well, it runs the installation in the chroot, so ...
[22:38] <alkisg> Unless it has other problems (unsatisfied dependences or whatever) I don't see why not.
[22:38] <dgroos> Man--if you can make it work on localapp so easily...
[22:38] <dgroos> OK  If I can fix the hole I've dug myself into I will test it :)
[22:41] <alkisg> Yeah export DISPLAY wasn't needed. So only 2 steps are needed, (1) xhost + (2) sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 sh LinuxCmapTools_v5.03_04-07-09.bin
[22:42] <dgroos> Wow--I'll check it out.
[22:43] <dgroos> alkisg: would you look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GuiInstallLocalApp step 3 and see where I might have messed up my computer?
[22:44] <dgroos> The only way I deviated from that was I was still root (via sudo su) so the "sudo mount -t proc proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc" probably was weird...
[22:44] <dgroos> what happens when you are root and you use sudo?
[22:46] <alkisg> I don't see anything too harmful. If you run step 3 twice without running step 5 inbetween, you'd put the "normal" passwd & groups into the chroot
[22:46] <alkisg> But otherwise, it should be ok... don't do it again, though :)
[22:49] <dgroos> alkisg: thanks.
[22:49] <alkisg> dgroos: Also, do: sudo rm /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.Xauthority
[22:50] <dgroos> I can't sudo :(
[22:50] <alkisg> Ah. Maybe you got things still mounted... Why don't you try rebooting?
[22:51] <dgroos> OK -- I'm a little concerned with what sbalneav said, I might not be able to get back in... what do you think?
[22:52] <alkisg> Well, if you aren't - don't you have a live cd handy?
[22:52] <alkisg> There's nothing that you could fix now that you couldn't also fix with a live cd
[22:52] <dgroos> I've got no physical access to room at this point... but could get it tomorrow.
[22:53] <dgroos> I'll do a reboot--it would feel good :)
[22:53] <alkisg> Hmmm... ok, then run: cat /proc/mounts
[22:53] <alkisg> and upload it to pastebin
[22:54] <dgroos> sure--what's the address of pastebin, again?
[22:54] <alkisg> pastebot.ltsp.org
[22:54] <dgroos> thanks.
[22:54] <alkisg> Ah
[22:54] <alkisg> No, thats for ltsp
[22:55] <alkisg> I think it's http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ for ubuntu
[22:55] <dgroos> of course the address popped up in firefox when I started to type the address... :)
[22:57] <dgroos> first, here's a copy from my terminal--what I typed and how it responded when I messed things up--pretty short. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/264057
[22:59] <ogra> alkisg, -bin
[23:00] <alkisg> ogra, elaborate, please?
[23:00] <alkisg> (1 o clock and 3 beers here... :-/)
[23:00] <ogra> paste.ubuntu.com :)
[23:00] <alkisg> Ah
[23:00] <ogra> though the other one should redirect
[23:00] <alkisg> Yeah both seem to work
[23:00] <dgroos> and, here's the cat /proc/mounts: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/264059
[23:01] <alkisg> (no redirection - ok I'll remember the short one)
[23:02] <alkisg> dgroos: yeah you got /proc and /dev mounted twice
[23:02] <alkisg> I don't know how would this screw things up. Reboot?
[23:03] <dgroos> reboot it will be!
[23:04] <dgroos> but, I can't sudo reboot :)
[23:05] <alkisg> Can you open another tab in the terminal and try there?
[23:05] <dgroos> I can use iLO I think but that will be a pretty harsh reboot... right
[23:06] <alkisg> Or try from the gnome menu?
[23:06] <dgroos> right, many ways... I'll try some.
[23:07] <dgroos> hey! opening up a new tab worked--sudo works there but the prompt says: dgroos@gcos2:/opt/ltsp/i386$  interesting...
[23:08] <alkisg> I'd say: sudo umount /proc   - but maybe a reboot would be safer... :)
[23:08] <dgroos> can I unmount from there? w/out rebooting or is reboot best?  (took the words right out of my mouth :)
[23:09] <dgroos> reboot it is...
[23:09] <alkisg> That's too deep for me, I've only been windows-free for 14 months...
[23:11] <dgroos> :)  You know, I've never really used windows in my last 19 years of being a computer user.  Sure, I've used one here and there for a session but nothing more--I've only used macs and now Ubuntu.
[23:14] <dgroos> alkisg: Thanks!  rebooted, am at thin client and it rebooted and I was able to log.  Opened terminal and sudo -i works :)
[23:15] <alkisg> Nice... now try the easy-installation-thing... "So only 2 steps are needed, (1) xhost + (2) sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 sh LinuxCmapTools_v5.03_04-07-09.bin"
[23:16] <dgroos> I'll let you know :D
[23:16] <alkisg> Where  LinuxCmapTools_v5.03_04-07-09.bin should be at /opt/ltsp/i386/LinuxCmapTools_v5.03_04-07-09.bin of course
[23:16] <alkisg> ...and delete those commands from the wiki page! :-O
[23:16] <dgroos> yeah...
[23:23] <dgroos> :( I tried and get the Stack Trace errors...
[23:23] <alkisg> You didn't see a GUI at all?
[23:24] <dgroos> No
[23:24] <alkisg> Paste the terminal output?
[23:24] <dgroos> sure...
[23:24] <alkisg> (all of it..)
[23:26] <alkisg> Maybe you did "sudo xhost +" instead of just "xhost +" ?
[23:26] <dgroos> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/264064
[23:28] <alkisg> Ah, did you delete the root .Xauthority file that we said before?
[23:28] <alkisg> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 sh LinuxCmapTools_v5.03_04-07-09.bin
[23:28] <alkisg> oops
[23:28] <alkisg> (12:49:35 πμ) alkisg: dgroos: Also, do: sudo rm /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.Xauthority
[23:28] <dgroos> no
[23:28] <alkisg> Delete that and retry
[23:28] <dgroos> none of that...
[23:29] <dgroos> ok and will retry...
[23:30] <alkisg> (you created that with your previous script and didn't delete it afterwards)
[23:32] <dgroos> right--I wonder any other stuff from that last session?  I retried and didn't work, error message at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/264069
[23:34] <alkisg> Urm... can't think of anything right now. Anyway too late here, /me goes to bed...
[23:35] <dgroos> :) Thanks for your help, again.
[23:35] <alkisg> Bye!