[00:00] <Polterge|st> freewins is cool because it makes your desktop seem a bit ore 3D and does pretty much what Looking Glass was going to do with its windows except freewins gives you even more control
[00:00] <Polterge|st> and stackswitcher is similar
[00:00] <Polterge|st> 3d task switcher
[00:01] <Polterge|st> I do think they should include the cube-ubuntu plugin by default though with compiz in the recent release of Ubuntu
[00:01] <Polterge|st> since it is an Ubuntu thing
[00:02] <Polterge|st> they also need to update nautilus already and include the patch for desktop icons and compositing with the wallpaper plugin from compiz
[00:02] <Polterge|st> the hack for that is already released and I do not know for the life of me why they wouldn't have it already in Karmic Koala when they do finalize it
[00:03] <Polterge|st> anyway those are just some observations about what would help the next release of compiz when this next version of Ubuntu is released
[00:06] <DanaG> cube-ubuntu?  what's that?
[00:07] <alteregoa> a desktop cube
[00:08] <alteregoa> its a useless eyecandy
[00:08] <DanaG> How is that any different from the existing cube+rotate stuff?
[00:08] <DanaG> What makes it a "cube ubuntu"?
[00:09] <alteregoa> i have no glue, maybe the name has changed
[00:21] <komputes> DanaG: bucky: that didn't work, just creates agrub.cfg file, no option to make the delay longer. Made this question https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/grub/+question/81649
[00:37] <bucky> Dr_Willis, what was the solution to un hide the grub2 menu?
[00:38] <bucky> or get a longer timeout?
[00:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[00:38] <Dr_Willis> Unhide? mine was never hidden that i saw.
[00:38] <drs305> I just came on. bucky - is this a standard question or are you having problems with the correct settings?
[00:38] <Dr_Willis> I have been tweaking the grub2 menus a little bit. got  a 1024x768 res now on mine.
[00:38] <bucky> some people can't get to their boot menu in grub2
[00:39] <Dr_Willis> Still monochrime screen
[00:39] <bucky> lol
[00:39] <Dr_Willis> /etc/default/grub has the settings for the hidden timeout and normal timeout
[00:39] <bucky> Dr_Willis, do you know ian of deb ian ?
[00:40] <Dr_Willis> i dont see any settings for 'hiding' the menu in my configs.
[00:40] <drs305> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10  is the line in what Dr_Willis just posted
[00:40] <bucky> komputes, have you looked in /etc/default/grub ?
[00:41] <bucky> i guess kompute is and i've heard the question in here a few times... i still use just grub
[00:41] <bucky> Dr_Willis, you prolly are ian.. huh?
[00:41] <drs305> For Grub 2:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[00:41] <bucky> komputes, ^^
[00:42] <Dr_Willis> Huh?
[00:43] <Dr_Willis> timeout 10 = wait 10 seconds...
[00:43] <bucky> i'll bookmark those
[00:43] <Dr_Willis> !find moreblue-orbit-grub
[00:44] <bucky> Dr_Willis, you know.. ian murdock
[00:44] <Dr_Willis> some grub updates today it seems...
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> bucky:  no idea who ian murdock is.
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> well updated grub.. and tweaked the configs time to see what it looks like. BRB
[00:47] <serp> hrmmm.. just did updates and now gnome-panel is dying,restarting,dying,restarting,dying,restarting
[00:47] <drs305> serp: I just had that problem and figured out the fix. Hold on, I'll get the link to my post.
[00:48] <drs305> serp:  Post #7  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1255415
[00:48] <serp> thanks
[00:48]  * komputes is reading up on grub2
[00:49] <drs305> Essentially, killall gnome-panel, open a terminal and gconf-editor and remove the clock applet.
[00:49] <bjsnider> is there some reason people would need to see the grub menu?
[00:50] <drs305> bjsnider: If you want to boot to a non-default OS or kernel.  That's what they mean I think.
[00:50] <Uuu> yes, it is, when different people work with different OS-es on one computer ;)
[00:50]  * Uuu worries about the hidden GRUB menu and plans to activate it soon after install
[00:51] <serp> drs305, nice.. fixed it.. no clock now though hehe
[00:51] <drs305> serp: Are you using 64-bit?
[00:51] <serp> yes
[00:52] <bjsnider> yes but it should be hidden unless you tap a key during the countdown
[00:52] <drs305> People say there was an update that fixed it but I haven't seen it in 64-bit yet apparently.
[00:52] <serp> ahh ok
[00:52] <serp> i'll wait a few days before tryin to add it back the
[00:52] <serp> n
[00:53] <drs305> serp: I was playing around to submit a proper bug report. It's funny because you can add the clock back and as soon as you do it starts crashing continuously again.
[00:54] <serp> hehe
[00:55]  * drs305 goes to find a new clock applet...
[00:56] <bucky> Dr_Willis, do you know who started debian and still lives in indy?
[00:57] <Dr_Willis> Not a clue. I have really never used Debian. :)
[00:57] <Dr_Willis> I sort of went the redhat -> mandrake -> ubuntu route over the last few years (12+)
[00:58] <bucky> yeah.. ian murdock  that's the ian in debian
[00:58] <Dr_Willis> My Hero.. :)
[00:58] <Dr_Willis> or not. :P
[00:59] <bucky> and a lot of peoples.. his wife divorced him and debian kicked him out
[00:59] <bucky> no good deed goes unpunished... i guess
[00:59] <Dr_Willis> I tend to ignore the politics of disrtos mainly.
[00:59] <tanath> one of my repos is not authenticating, but when i try to fix it i get this: http://pastebin.ca/1550947
[01:01] <tanath> what's the problem here?
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> Opera 10 released.. :) nifty.. wonder if we are going to have a 'browser vote screen' in ubuntu now. :)
[01:01] <serp> i vote for IE6
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> You want Moasic and you know it!
[01:02] <serp> i can't handle mosaic
[01:02] <Uuu> wget rules here ;p
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> http://browsers.evolt.org/
[01:02] <serp> it's too hardcore
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> 'hotjava' :)
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> I spemt Mosaic wrong. :P
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> spelt
[01:03] <serp> wtf..  i downloaded guild wars free trial and installed it... created a character and started to zone in and it's downloading over 20,000 files
[01:03] <serp> hehe
[01:03] <Dr_Willis> Thats how guildwars works
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> lord of the rings online also does that trick now. so does 'quakelive'
[01:04] <serp> when it finishes do i gain a level?
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> the game installs a minimal amount.. so you can et playing.. while the rest installs.
[01:04] <serp> yah i get it
[01:04] <bucky> tanath, you've got hkp:// isn't that supposed to be http:// ?
[01:04] <serp> it just caught me offguard
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> it also works i think as a torrent server for the rest of the players
[01:05] <Dr_Willis> or at least it used to. Ive not played Guildwars in Years..
[01:05] <Dr_Willis> I really Liked Guildwars.. but the game just got too.. obsessive in how the other players acted.
[01:05] <tanath> bucky, 'twas a copy & paste from a note i left myself in /etc/apt/sources.list which was a copy & paste from some guide. it's worked before
[01:06] <bucky> ok
[01:06] <bucky> tanath, ownership and permissions look ok
[01:06] <tanath> bucky, indeed...
[01:06] <tanath> bucky, i have no idea why it's complaining
[01:07] <bucky> tanath, i can do it as user.. maybe that's why
[01:07] <bucky> drop the sudo
[01:07] <tanath> i couldn't before. i've always had to use sudo
[01:07] <bucky> i just did it
[01:07] <tanath> bucky, erm, that worked
[01:08]  * tanath facepalms
[01:08] <bucky> hehe
[01:09] <tanath> bucky, but now the question is, why is it looking in my user files?
[01:10] <drs305> serp: You can put cairo-clock on the panel. It doesn't show the time but you can put a shortcut on the panel and a click will give you an analog clock.
[01:10] <bucky> hmm.. cause you're in your home dir
[01:10] <tanath> bucky, updating packages & such should not check user config files
[01:11] <tanath> bucky, so? when i run 'sudo aptitude update' it shouldn't be looking at my user files
[01:11] <tanath> bucky, what if i run it as another user?
[01:11] <bucky> tanath, you're dl'ing something from the opera site?
[01:11] <tanath> bucky, no
[01:11] <bucky> you added another repo
[01:11] <tanath> bucky, the opera repo just stopped authenticating
[01:11] <tanath> bucky, so i readded the key
[01:12] <tanath> bucky, not added recently
[01:12] <tanath> bucky, as i said, it stopped authenticating
[01:12] <tanath> bucky, complained when i ran 'sudo aptitude update'
[01:13] <DanaG> hmm, my pulseaudio is still misdetecting my USB sound card, after all.
[01:13] <bucky> maybe a internet outage.. btw is that how you're suppose to add a key for a repo?
[01:13] <tanath> bucky, it's how i've always done it
[01:14] <tanath> bucky, that, then the next step
[01:14] <DanaG> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ppaname
[01:14] <tanath> bucky, there's a way via synaptic now, but i'm not as familiar with it
[01:14] <DanaG> and if it's in a subdir, that's a "-p" parameter.
[01:15] <tanath> bucky, next step being: gpg --export --armor F9A2F76A9D1A0061 | sudo apt-key add -
[01:15] <tanath> bucky, or whatever the key it
[01:15] <tanath> *is
[01:15] <DanaG> easier: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key KEY
[01:16] <tanath> DanaG, that'll replace both lines?
[01:16] <DanaG> the add-apt-repository should replace both, yeah.
[01:16] <DanaG> Does it all in one fell swoop.
[01:16] <tanath> that doesn't seem easier. this way i just plug the key in place
[01:17] <DanaG> The add-apt-repository thingy actually adds it to a sources.list.d file, as well.
[01:17] <tanath> i don't want anything in there
[01:17] <tanath> i prefer my repos centralized in /etc/apt/sources.list. easier to maintain
[01:18] <DanaG> ah.
[01:18] <DanaG> But the apt-key adv will replace the gpg line, at least.
[01:19] <tanath> i wouldn't know what to replace 'ppa:ppaname' with
[01:19] <tanath> and for that line anyway
[01:19] <DanaG> for example, it'd be ppa:xorg-edgers
[01:20] <tanath> i dunno, this way is easy & works. i don't see the value in the other way
[01:20] <DanaG> or ppa:xorg-edgers -p radeon  (to get a subdir).
[01:20] <tanath> edgers??
[01:20] <DanaG> "xorg-edgers" is the name of one archive.
[01:20] <tanath> er, yeah that's not something i've ever wanted to do
[01:20] <tanath> but thanks
[01:21] <tanath> i can see how it can be useful, but it seems i'd need to know more about the repo i'm using than i care to
[01:22] <DanaG> Actually, all you have to know is the name.
[01:22] <DanaG> You already need to know that, anyway.
[01:22] <tanath> actually not
[01:22] <DanaG> Okay, then I must be misinterpreting your need for an apt key... you're not adding a PPA repository?
[01:23] <tanath> i see software i want, and the repo i need for it, i add it. aptitude update tells me the key i need for the repo to authenticate, then i just plug it in the gpg line
[01:23] <tanath> no, a previous one stopped authenticating actually (opera)
[01:23] <DanaG> ah.  No wonder I'm confused.
[01:23] <tanath> lol :)
[01:23] <DanaG> but anyway, "apt-key adv" is at least nicer than that pipe.
[01:25] <tanath> DanaG, so that one line, gets the key & adds it?
[01:25] <DanaG> Yeah.
[01:26] <tanath> well, i've added a note. i'll give it a try next time. thanks :)
[01:27] <peepsalot> how is a partial upgrade different from simply updating a bunch of packages?
[01:28] <tanath> DanaG, do you know how to get grub2 to show the menu like grub1? i installed grub2, and it replaced grub1 without asking and it doesnt' show the menu to choose kernel/os anymore
[01:29] <DanaG> hmm, you can edit /etc/default/grub -- I think you'd unset (that is, comment out) the grub_hidden_timeout.
[01:29] <DanaG> https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/MailingLists -- hmm, is it possible to read lists via nntp?
[01:30] <tanath> DanaG, what's hidden timeout as opposed to just grub_timeout?
[01:30] <DanaG> hidden_timeout makes it hide itself while counting.
[01:30] <DanaG> the regular timeout is the time before it boots the default.
[01:30] <tanath> o.O
[01:31] <tanath> so my timeout of 5 seconds to choose an os was rendered pointless >.<
[01:31] <tanath> that's a terrible default
[01:31] <Dr_Willis> my grub_hidden_timeout is   commented out by default
[01:31] <Dr_Willis> so the default makes sence to me.
[01:31] <tanath> changing the grub1 settings at all is prolly a bad default
[01:32] <tanath> didn't do that for me
[01:33] <Dr_Willis> Time to sharpen our grub-fu-2 skills
[01:37] <tanath> well, thanks
[01:37] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Cups is still not detecting/configuring my laserjet6l printer
[01:39] <bucky> Dr_Willis, do you still have hplip and hpijs installed
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> checking that now.
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> I dont recall needing those for this laserjet 6l befor..
[01:40] <bucky> apt-cache search hplip  and look at the other packages too
[01:41] <Dr_Willis> normally i plug the thing in.. and it works.. :)
[01:41] <Dr_Willis> willis@cow:~$ sudo apt-get install ifhp hplip hplip-cups
[01:41] <Dr_Willis> dont seem they were installed... :) now lets see
[01:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm still not seeing it.
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> brb
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> !dontzap
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. ok.. so 'dontzap' has changed also.. :)
[01:50] <bjorkintosh> so any significant problems after upgrading? is it yet safe ?
[01:50] <bjorkintosh> i'm mostly concerned about fixing broken dependencies i can't seem to resolve in the current version.
[01:51] <mkoehler> yeah
[01:51] <mkoehler> 9.10 hasn't really given me any problems except for one last night that I fixed
[01:51] <mkoehler> you might try a safe upgrade
[01:51] <mkoehler> like sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:51] <bjorkintosh> a safe upgrade? is that something to do with gnome?
[01:51] <maxb> although gnome-panel seems to currently be broken
[01:51] <DanaG> hah, SAK is not the same as zap.
[01:51] <bjorkintosh> 'cause i deleted that $%##$%#$ of @#$%#$# as soon as i could.
[01:51] <Polterge|st> I had problems installing apturl a moment ago
[01:51] <DanaG> Zap is like, "please quit, X server!".
[01:52] <DanaG> SAK is like: "YOU DIE NOW!".
[01:52] <Polterge|st> I will need help with it in a bit
[01:52] <DanaG> If you SAK xorg, it tends to trash the consoles.
[01:52] <maxb> SAK on tty1 has a tendency to kill init and panic the kernel, too :-)
[01:52] <bjorkintosh> aptitude...
[01:52] <bjorkintosh> can't it all be done with apt-get w/o aptitude?
[01:52] <mkoehler> yeah, you can
[01:53] <mkoehler> but I don't think you can do the safe-upgrade
[01:53] <mkoehler> alpha4 has been pretty stable for me, so I don't think you'll have problems
[01:53] <Polterge|st> I am going to have to try it in a bit
[01:53] <Polterge|st> 24 minutes left to go
[01:53] <Polterge|st> 2 errors so far
[01:53] <Polterge|st> hopefully nothing major
[01:53] <Polterge|st> I think one dealt with python
[01:53] <Polterge|st> couldn't create a directory
[01:53] <Polterge|st> and the other was apturl
[01:54] <Polterge|st> everything else has installed so far
[01:54] <mkoehler> ah
[01:54] <Polterge|st> do you think aptitude will install them for me ?
[01:55] <Polterge|st> hopefully it will boot
[01:55] <Polterge|st> lol
[01:55] <Polterge|st> if not I can go into recovery mode maybe and fix X if it does not ...
[01:55] <mkoehler> it might, might not
[01:55] <Polterge|st> hopefully it boots though
[01:55] <Polterge|st> I am keeping my fingers crossed
[01:55] <mkoehler> I was only introduced to the 'safe-upgrade' last night when I broke my upgrade-manager
[01:55] <mkoehler> yeah
[01:55] <mkoehler> I can't say how many times I've had to do that before heh
[01:55] <mkoehler> don't try the most recent kernels
[01:55] <Polterge|st> yeah you might have to show me safe upgrade if this does not work
[01:56] <mkoehler> -8 and -9 don't work for me
[01:56] <mkoehler> i heard that's a more widespread problem
[01:56] <Polterge|st> what is -8 and -9 ?
[01:56] <mkoehler> the ending to the kernel numbers
[01:56] <mkoehler> hang on, I'll figure out the whole numbers
[01:57] <Polterge|st> heh hopefully it works out
[01:57] <Polterge|st> I really like my system and have alot on it I want to save
[01:57] <mkoehler> 2.6.31-9-generic and 2.6.31-8-generic don't work for me
[01:58] <mkoehler> of course, that's because the nvidia driver doesn't work on them
[01:58] <mkoehler> the kernels work though - so if you don't use the proprietary driver, it'd probably work
[01:58] <Polterge|st> hmm
[01:58] <Polterge|st> well I've heard 190 works with the newer kernel
[01:59] <Polterge|st> it is beta but should work
[01:59] <Polterge|st> and even in the event that it doesn't it seems like 185 would
[01:59] <mkoehler> yeah
[01:59] <maxb> Does anyone know what the precise package version for the gnome-panel keeps crashing fix is?
[02:00] <bucky> maxb, the one with the clock on it
[02:00] <bucky> ?
[02:00] <Polterge|st> I am excited that it is upgrading Gnome
[02:00] <maxb> it's apparently clock related, yes
[02:02] <maxb> Well, I seem to have the fix now, so never mind. I'm not sure quite what fixed it, even after reading the package changelogs.
[02:05] <bjorkintosh> gaa! the dependencies remain unresolved
[02:06] <mkoehler> bjorkintosh: what dependencies?
[02:07] <bjorkintosh> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  freeglut3-dev: Depends: xlibmesa-glu-dev or
[02:07] <mkoehler> did you try installing it?
[02:08] <bjorkintosh> err. that's how i got the error message i just pasted
[02:08] <bjorkintosh> unless there's a different method from apt-get install freeglut3-dev
[02:08] <mkoehler> well try installing xlibmesa-gl-dev
[02:08] <mkoehler> it's looking for the wrong package which is the problem
[02:08] <bjorkintosh> i did as well.
[02:09] <mkoehler> seems to be a bug in the packaging
[02:09] <bjsnider> mkoehler, the nvidia driver does work ont he latest kernels
[02:09] <bjorkintosh> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglu1-mesa-dev: Depends: libglu1-mesa (= 7.4-0ubuntu3) but 7.4-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
[02:10] <mkoehler> bjsnider: really?  I haven't had luck with it yet, but maybe I'll try experimenting again later
[02:10] <bjsnider> it works perfectly well
[02:12] <mkoehler> hmm I don't seem to have your problem
[02:12] <mkoehler> bjorkintosh: try sudo apt-get build-dep freeglut3
[02:14] <Polterge|st> one thing I do like about this version
[02:14] <Polterge|st> the installer looks improved
[02:14] <Polterge|st> as it is upgrading
[02:14] <Polterge|st> some things have a pulldown menu with options
[02:15] <Polterge|st> a bit more flexible than the old updater
[02:16] <mkoehler> bjorkintosh: any luck?
[02:16] <bjorkintosh> no.
[02:17] <bjorkintosh> does the safe upgrade change the apt sources list at all?
[02:17] <mkoehler> no, the repos don't change
[02:17] <bjorkintosh> so i oughta change that then.
[02:17] <bjorkintosh> it's looking for nonexistent files.
[02:18] <mkoehler> you're talking about within the same version, not a dist-upgrade, right?
[02:18] <bjorkintosh> well, i just finished the dist upgrade
[02:19] <mkoehler> ah, that should have modified /etc/apt/sources.list then
[02:20] <bjorkintosh> maybe i oughta reboot.
[02:23] <andresmh> i am being asked " │ A new version of configuration file /etc/default/grub is available, but   │
[02:23] <andresmh>  │ the version installed currently has been locally
[02:23] <andresmh> oops
[02:23] <andresmh> sorry for the long copy-paste
[02:23] <andresmh> well, so I am not sure what are the implications of overriding the local one
[02:23] <mkoehler> andresmh: I usually go with the option to replace
[02:23] <mkoehler> well, you could lose the correct boot options
[02:24] <mkoehler> i guess, i'm not positive, but the biggest potential is to lose the other os in a dual-boot setup
[02:24] <andresmh> mkoehler, so if i have windows on a separate partition it will erase it?
[02:24] <andresmh> ah i see
[02:24] <mkoehler> your kernels would be alright
[02:24] <mkoehler> let me think for one sec
[02:24] <andresmh> i actually don't care that much about windows anymore, but what are the advantages of overriding the local modified version?
[02:24] <mkoehler> ok, in your case I'd probably just keep your old file
[02:25] <mkoehler> I don't think the format of the grub file has changed at all
[02:25] <mkoehler> and you'd probably lose access to windows if you overwrite it
[02:25] <andresmh> ok, i'm following your advice then
[02:25] <mkoehler> if you don't overwrite it, you can just run the grub updater and have it add the most recent kernel
[02:25] <mkoehler> kernel(s)
[02:25] <DanaG> I usually do "show differences".
[02:30] <andresmh> ah
[02:30] <andresmh> i actually always have to run grub udater because whenever installing a new kernel, it never adds it to grub
[02:30] <mkoehler> ah ok
[02:31] <bjorkintosh> safe upgrade certainly did not work.
[02:32] <bjorkintosh> i'm still on jaunty.
[02:32] <mkoehler> I think there was some confusion there
[02:32] <mkoehler> safe-upgrade doesn't do anything to the distribution
[02:32] <mkoehler> you have to do a dist-upgrade for that
[02:35] <Polterge|st> ok I had errors saying my system might be in an unusable state because apturl didn't install so I went into the terminal and manually created the folder it asked for since it could not create it
[02:36] <Polterge|st> and then I used sudo aptitude install apturl
[02:36] <mkoehler> and did that work?
[02:36] <Polterge|st> it is removing a bunch of stuff right now but probably going to install apturl
[02:36] <mkoehler> ok, good
[02:36] <Polterge|st> it looks like it is anyway
[02:36] <DanaG> What is it removing?
[02:36] <mkoehler> little buggy, I don't know why there'd be permissions errors
[02:36] <mkoehler> permission* errors
[02:37] <DanaG> In my case, I did sudo dpkg --force-depends --purge apturl apturl-common.  then I just went into aptitude, and installed the updated apturl.
[02:37] <mkoehler> sounds good to me
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm still no laserjet 6l
[02:43] <Polterge|st> ok this is the error it is giving me...
[02:43] <Polterge|st> saying that it cannot create ./usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk
[02:44] <Polterge|st> although I know for a fact it should
[02:45] <mkoehler> all I've got is check your permissions on that folder
[02:45] <DanaG> Notice the leading dot.
[02:45] <mkoehler> touche
[02:45] <DanaG> That's not supposed to be there.  That's most likely the bug itself.
[02:45] <mkoehler> nice catch Dana
[02:45] <DanaG> weird... the policykit authorizations control thingy doesn't show devicekit stuff
[02:46] <mkoehler> if you try running it from the shell at /
[02:46] <mkoehler> then you might be fine
[02:46] <Polterge|st> hmm
[02:46] <Polterge|st> I might try that
[02:46] <mkoehler> (but the bug should still be tagged if someone hasn't posted it already on launchpad)
[02:47] <Polterge|st> that and if this doesn't work I might try the safe upgrade
[02:47] <oldude67> has anyone else get this error with updates today?  Replaced by files in installed package apturl-common ...
[02:47] <oldude67> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):
[02:47] <oldude67>  error creating directory `./usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk': No such file or directory
[02:47] <mkoehler> that wouldn't fix your problem
[02:47] <oldude67> oops sorry for the spam
[02:47] <DanaG> Something in postinst or postrm seems to be broken.
[02:47] <mkoehler> haha
[02:47] <Polterge|st> yeah
[02:47] <mkoehler> everyone seems to be having the same problem
[02:47] <Lars_G> Hey all.
[02:47] <oldude67> ok, then its not just me..lol
[02:47] <Lars_G> Three quickies regarding +1 current on a netbook.
[02:47] <mkoehler> try going to the root dir 'cd /' and then run dpkg from there
[02:47] <Polterge|st> yeah it is happening on my system too
[02:48] <Lars_G> a) Where the fuck is xorg.conf now? o.O can't find it!
[02:48] <Lars_G> b) It's ignoring the go to sleep on ac power settings, is there any cli way I can stop go to sleep for now until I fix it?
[02:48] <cwillu> Lars_G, there hasn't been one to speak of for a while now
[02:48] <mkoehler> uh, should still be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:48] <mkoehler> for the old versions
[02:48] <Polterge|st> I will try using the update manager
[02:48] <Lars_G> cwillu: what's used now?
[02:48] <cwillu> Lars_G, auto-configuration, for the last several releases of ubuntu :p
[02:49] <Polterge|st> possibly a new version of the file could be in repos
[02:49] <Lars_G> oh my....
[02:49] <Lars_G> cwillu: So question c) how do I reactivate middle-click-by-tapping-TR-corner on my touchpad is answered with "rewrite the autoconf scripts" ?
[02:49] <cwillu> Lars_G, re: sleep, there's stuff that's being unbroken in the interaction between gnome-power and Xorg:  one is removing hacks, the other is fixing the stuff that made those hacks necessary.  The side effect is that currently its broken for a lot of people
[02:49] <Lars_G> cwillu: Is autoconf done by xorg, from C code, or provided to xorg from scripts?
[02:50] <cwillu> Lars_G, xorg.conf files are still respected, but there are other mechanisms which are preferred
[02:50] <Lars_G> cwillu: Ok for B it'll take time and a few xorg builds. thanks
[02:50] <cwillu> !info mousetweaks
[02:50] <Lars_G> cwillu: My question is, how can I learn those mechanisms? I'd like to tweak them, I'm a tweaker. :P
[02:51] <Lars_G> ok that's a package
[02:51] <cwillu> one sec :)
[02:51] <cwillu> Lars_G, ^^^ should provide a gui that will configure that in an easy fashion.
[02:51] <Lars_G> sigh the network is very slow right now, I might cancel the update, to install that one, thank you
[02:52] <cwillu> trying to remember the relevant files
[02:52] <Polterge|st> ok tried it from /
[02:52] <Polterge|st> to no avail
[02:53] <Polterge|st> I wonder if there is a way to force it to install
[02:53] <Lars_G> cwillu: Just give me one or two relevan files, I'll follow the trail, I'm used to doing that
[02:53] <cwillu> Lars_G, /etc/hal/fdi/policy I believe
[02:53] <Lars_G> eh.....
[02:54] <Lars_G> cwillu: wasn't hal being phased out in karmic?
[02:54] <mkoehler> personally, I'd just file the bug on launchpad, let the motu guys fix the packaging issue, and then install it =)
[02:54] <Polterge|st> well it means I cannot reboot until then
[02:54] <cwillu> Lars_G, yes
[02:54] <Polterge|st> lol
[02:54] <cwillu> Lars_G, follow the scent :p
[02:54] <cwillu> it'll work in largely the same way
[02:54] <Lars_G> mkoehler: motu? as in mark of the unicorn?
[02:54] <Lars_G> cwillu: ... using the same config files?
[02:54] <cwillu> masters of the universe
[02:54] <Lars_G> for backwards compatibility...
[02:54] <cwillu> Lars_G, follow the scent
[02:55] <Lars_G> ok I'll follow that scent
[02:55] <Lars_G> thanks cwillu
[02:55] <mkoehler> https://launchpad.net/~motu
[02:55] <Lars_G> good, I doubted mark of the unicorn cared about anything other than making piles of money
[02:55] <mkoehler> heh
[02:56] <Lars_G> Dang I love screen
[02:58] <Lars_G> cwillu: while the xorg-gnome brokerage persists, is there any way I can fondle xorg directly to disable sleep?
[02:58] <Polterge|st> when I issue "dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb" to the terminal without the quotes .... it says "Unpacking replacement apturl ..." and then it says "Replaced by files in installed package apturl-common ..."
[02:59] <Polterge|st> and then after that it gives me that error
[03:00] <Polterge|st> "error creating directory `./usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk' : No such file or directory "
[03:01] <Polterge|st> does this mean it installed it with a replacement archive ?
[03:02] <Polterge|st> and possibly the apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb is deprecated ?
[03:03] <Polterge|st> also would it be wise to su to root in the terminal to run "sudo aptitude upgrade"
[03:03] <Polterge|st> just to make sure it installed everything or most things
[03:06] <Polterge|st> I will try running the system testing prog
[03:06] <Polterge|st> maybe that can help
[03:07] <Polterge|st> it seems like there is only one package that isn't updating
[03:07] <Polterge|st> apturl
[03:08] <Polterge|st> I guess I could try to use the package installer or file roller
[03:08] <Polterge|st> maybe that might work
[03:12] <bjorkintosh> my box steadfastly refuses to move from jaunty to koala
[03:12] <Polterge|st> ah
[03:12] <Polterge|st> that package is not an Ubuntu package
[03:12] <Polterge|st> it is a Debian package
[03:12] <Polterge|st> even though Ubuntu is based upon Debian
[03:12] <Polterge|st> it makes the distinction
[03:14] <mkoehler> bjorkintosh: sudo update-manager -d
[03:14] <mkoehler> it doesn't want to move to karmic because it's not released yet, you have to add the -d onto the end of the command
[03:14] <Polterge|st> ah
[03:14] <Polterge|st> it IS that period before the folder name
[03:15] <mkoehler> if you do that, it'll say that there's a new distribution available
[03:15] <Polterge|st> solution ...
[03:15] <Polterge|st> extract it to the actual folder
[03:15] <Polterge|st> perhaps without the period
[03:15] <Polterge|st> I will try that
[03:15] <mkoehler> yeah
[03:15] <Polterge|st> is there a way to make dpkg do that ?
[03:15] <Polterge|st> like specify a path ?
[03:15] <Polterge|st> instead of installing to that path
[03:15] <Polterge|st> that would be the solution I think
[03:16] <Lars_G> Polterge|st: you could extract the package somewhere and copy the files over
[03:17] <Polterge|st> that is what I am going to do
[03:17] <Lars_G> with "dpkg -x"
[03:17] <Polterge|st> I am about to try and copy the folder
[03:17] <Polterge|st> basically I should move that folder to merge it with /usr/lib
[03:17] <Polterge|st> then it will probably be in the right spot
[03:17] <Lars_G> of course, there might be problems if the package has a pre/post install script since it wont be run
[03:18] <Polterge|st> there has to be a way to force it to install
[03:18] <Lars_G> And be aware that it can depend on different builds of libraries than you have and thus refuse to run
[03:18] <eurythmia_> it seems as though the picard package is broken ... I installed it, and tried to run it ... I got this error message: http://www.pastebin.ca/1551060
[03:21] <billybigrigger> what is the line in xorg.conf to enable ctrl-alt-delete?
[03:22] <Logi> billybigrigger: http://www.google.com/search?q=what%20is%20the%20line%20in%20xorg.conf%20to%20enable%20ctrl-alt-delete?&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[03:22] <billybigrigger> Logi: hehe i was googling the wrong words :)
[03:23] <Logi> yeah, some times the exact question you'd ask a person works nicely
[03:23] <Pici> !dontzap
[03:23] <Logi> I've some times asked (in other channels), looked at my question, googled it, and found the answer
[03:23] <billybigrigger> Logi: i'll start trying that
[03:24] <billybigrigger> i've never actually considered it :)
[03:24] <Polterge|st> ok I am watching my machine intently to see if it is going to do this for me
[03:24] <Polterge|st> it looks like it is processing something
[03:25] <Polterge|st> I extracted the deb file to my home folder and moved all of the files to that directory
[03:25] <Polterge|st> and then I did "sudo tar -xvzf *.gz"
[03:25]  * Logi goes to watch another episode of Torchwood
[03:25] <Polterge|st> and then I ran the debian-binary
[03:25] <Polterge|st> so far no errors
[03:26] <Polterge|st> I will run sudo aptitude update again
[03:26] <Polterge|st> and see if that file shows up this time
[03:26] <Polterge|st> I may have solved the problem
[03:27] <Polterge|st> I will find out
[03:27] <Polterge|st> it is not giving me the message it was giving me before
[03:28] <Polterge|st> this time it found an extra update too
[03:28] <Polterge|st> probably a good sign
[03:29] <Polterge|st> :D :D :D
[03:29] <Polterge|st> it worked!
[03:29] <Polterge|st> no errors at all
[03:29] <Polterge|st> now to issue the upgrade command again
[03:29] <Polterge|st> and this time it will tell me if there is anything that was left out
[03:29] <Polterge|st> that is the fix
[03:29] <mkoehler> good deal
[03:29] <Polterge|st> :D
[03:30] <Polterge|st> ok so everyone follow my lead on that...
[03:30] <Polterge|st> if you have that problem simply create the folder without the period
[03:30] <Lars_G> Polterge|st: if you've installed the package by hand by decompressing it, dpkg wont consider it installed, if it's a dependency to some other packages it'll fail
[03:30] <Polterge|st> no I mean the updater isn't showing it now
[03:30] <Polterge|st> it updated it
[03:30] <Polterge|st> via the updater
[03:30] <Polterge|st> before it would not do that
[03:30] <Polterge|st> it did now though
[03:30] <Polterge|st> meaning it fixed that problem
[03:31] <Lars_G> great
[03:31] <Polterge|st> it was just an error or bug that was preventing the original package from installing via the updater
[03:31] <Polterge|st> and now I got past it
[03:31] <Polterge|st> so it installed from the updater now without the error
[03:32] <Polterge|st> it is as simple as extracting the files to the home folder and then moving them to the path name /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk
[03:32] <Polterge|st> and then do sudo tar -xvzf *gz
[03:32] <Polterge|st> it will decompress the directory structures of the archives there
[03:33] <Polterge|st> and then just enter "debian-binary"
[03:33] <Polterge|st> and then update as normal
[03:33] <Polterge|st> the secret is that the contained archives have to extract to that folder
[03:33] <Polterge|st> once that happens the debian-binary can check the version of them and verify them
[03:33] <Polterge|st> and from that point the updater acknowledges it
[03:34] <Polterge|st> and now it is actually telling me that 0 packages need to be installed or updated
[03:34] <Polterge|st> :)
[03:35] <Polterge|st> woohoo my first bugfix on Karmic
[03:35] <Polterge|st> :P
[03:35] <mkoehler> nicely done
[03:35] <Polterge|st> thx
[03:35] <Polterge|st> hee
[03:35] <Polterge|st> hehe
[03:37] <Polterge|st> ok next step
[03:37] <Polterge|st> I must update dvede
[03:37] <Polterge|st> likely from add / remove
[03:38] <Polterge|st> now since I did this in gnome of course I cannot access the run box but when I log out and log back in that will probably be fixed as what is in memory now is no longer on the hard drive and has been updated
[03:39] <Polterge|st> similar to how when firefox is updated you must close it
[03:39] <Polterge|st> and then reopen it to use it
[03:39] <Polterge|st> because files that were being used get replaced
[03:39] <Polterge|st> so here goes
[03:40] <Polterge|st> wish me luck
[03:44] <Polterge|st> and X came back up
[03:44] <Polterge|st> :)
[03:44] <mkoehler> nice
[03:45] <Polterge|st> and it is logging in ...
[03:45] <Polterge|st> "D
[03:45] <Polterge|st> :D
[03:45] <Polterge|st> now to change my gdm theme
[03:46] <Polterge|st> the fast user switch applet encountered an error
[03:46] <Polterge|st> asked me if I wanted to delete it
[03:46] <Polterge|st> from the landing rather
[03:47] <Polterge|st> but see this is why I like cairo-dock
[03:47] <Polterge|st> just in case
[03:48] <Polterge|st> the other thing is that I never used to use fast user switcher anyway
[03:48] <Polterge|st> it wasn't even on my panel
[03:49] <Polterge|st> hence it probably isn't going to hurt anything
[03:49] <Polterge|st> my hard drive light is active though and doing something so it is probablyconfiguring something
[03:49] <Polterge|st> since it is a first run since the upgrade
[03:52] <Polterge|st> hmm ok new problems
[03:53] <Polterge|st> it did say apturl failed to update even though I no longer have that error
[03:53] <Polterge|st> and now nautilus is going into a crash loop
[03:53] <Polterge|st> launching and crashing
[03:57] <drs305> Polterge|st: Is it nautilus or are your panels cycling?
[03:58] <Polterge|st> it is nautilus
[03:58] <drs305> Opening dozens of instances?
[03:59] <Polterge|st> I'm yep
[03:59] <Polterge|st> over and over and over and over
[04:00] <Polterge|st> in the gnome panel
[04:00] <drs305> Ok, can you still open a terminal with that going on?
[04:00] <Polterge|st> yes
[04:00] <Polterge|st> I tried killall nautilus
[04:00] <Polterge|st> and tried "
[04:00] <Polterge|st> ps -A
[04:01] <drs305> killall gnome-panel   repeatedly until it stops
[04:01] <drs305> Wait, is it nautilus or flashing panels?
[04:02] <drs305> Dozens of nautilus icons in the panel or the panels constantly flashing on and off.
[04:02] <Polterge|st> naaa dozens of nautilus icons loading
[04:02] <Polterge|st> as if it was trying to load
[04:02] <Polterge|st> and it would crash
[04:02] <drs305> killall nautilus repeatedly until you get a  none open message.
[04:03] <drs305> Execute it once then just arrow up to repeat it.
[04:03] <drs305> I usually have to do it 5-8 times.
[04:03] <Polterge|st> ok did that
[04:03] <drs305> Eventually they should stop and slowly disappear.
[04:03] <Polterge|st> is there a way to redo the update ?
[04:04] <Polterge|st> like to go through installing and configuring all of the packages again ?
[04:04] <drs305> Once you get them closed we can fix it one of two ways.
[04:04] <Polterge|st> maybe this time it will register apturl
[04:04] <Polterge|st> what is the first way ?
[04:05] <drs305> Do you have your Desktop turned off?  (gconf-editor)
[04:05] <Polterge|st> yes
[04:05] <Polterge|st> well it is set to not allow drawing to desktop
[04:05] <drs305> gconf-editor /apps/nautilus/preferences
[04:05] <Polterge|st> I was previously using the wallpaper addon in compiz which is why I did that
[04:05] <drs305> Enable the desktop:  show_desktop
[04:05] <drs305> That is one way to stop if from happening each time a kernel updates.
[04:06] <Polterge|st> is it a permanent or temp fix ?
[04:06] <drs305> You have to do it with each kernel update until they fix it.
[04:06] <drs305> The other is to edit this file (and you can leave the desktop off):
[04:07] <Polterge|st> which file ?
[04:07] <Polterge|st> I did the gconf thing but ...
[04:08] <Polterge|st> I don't know how permanent that will be
[04:08] <drs305> gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop
[04:08] <drs305> Change:  X-GNOME-AutoRestart=true   >>   X-GNOME-AutoRestart=false
[04:09] <drs305> Same holds true though. With each kernel update you will have to change the setting.  If you remember, you can make the change BEFORE you reboot to prevent it.
[04:09] <drs305> Actually, the Desktop off is permanent, but you have to display your Desktop...
[04:09] <Polterge|st> ah
[04:09] <Polterge|st> basically go into recovery and go into nano
[04:10] <Polterge|st> and possibly change the line before X starts
[04:10] <drs305> I have a shortcut that opens the file on my panel. New kernel update, click the shortcut.
[04:10] <drs305> It really should get fixed though...
[04:11] <drs305> No, you can do it when you update. Install the kernel, then just don't reboot until you have made the change.
[04:11] <Polterge|st> ah
[04:11] <Polterge|st> ok
[04:11] <drs305> Notes are wonderful things -- so are shortcuts.  ;-)
[04:12] <Polterge|st> hehe
[04:12] <Polterge|st> ok cool now it works
[04:13] <Polterge|st> I am checking for new updates again
[04:13] <Polterge|st> will try to fix AptUrl
[04:13] <Polterge|st> I think I need to try and re set it up
[04:13] <Polterge|st> the updater messages went away earlier when I used my workaround
[04:13] <Polterge|st> it was giving me an error and I managed to get rid of the error
[04:14] <Polterge|st> I just need to make Ubuntu acknowledge that it is installed now
[04:14] <drs305> There was a link to a workaround on here earlier today and on the ubuntu forums. It was a bug report, and I remember the solution was Post 7 and a Post 8 correction.
[04:15] <drs305> It involved purging apturl and then reinstalling. Is that the one you used?
[04:16] <Polterge|st> naaa
[04:16] <Polterge|st> I came up with a manual one
[04:16] <Polterge|st> I can do that though
[04:16] <Polterge|st> would not be difficult to do
[04:17] <Polterge|st> I am trying to get my nvidia driver working now
[04:17] <Polterge|st> 190
[04:18] <Polterge|st> I am wondering if envyNG might be the way to go
[04:18] <Polterge|st> since this one window is not responding
[04:18] <Polterge|st> I will try purging apturl btw
[04:18] <Polterge|st> and reinstalling it
[04:24] <Polterge|st> drs305 can you get me a link to that fix ?
[04:24] <drs305> Polterge|st:  Yeah, hold on.
[04:26] <joejc> does the new post boot bootloader load after the kernel?
[04:26] <Polterge|st> I think I just found it actually
[04:27] <drs305> Polterge|st: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/422825
[04:27] <drs305> Post 8 fixes a Post 7 typo. It worked for some but not all.
[04:28] <drs305> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/422825
[04:30] <daurn> hi
[04:30] <daurn> I'm trying to uppgrade my juanty system to karmic
[04:30] <daurn> but I always seem to get No new release available
[04:30] <mkoehler> sudo update-manager -d
[04:31] <drs305> daurn: Check out this link http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha3
[04:31] <sebsebseb> drs305: that's old
[04:31] <drs305> Although it's actually to Alpha 4.
[04:31] <sebsebseb> daurn: alpha4 is  the current one, but  Thursday Alpha 5 is out
[04:31] <drs305> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4
[04:31] <daurn> theres nothing different about my update manager when I do that
[04:31] <sebsebseb> daurn: This  Thursday and Alpha 5 gets released
[04:32] <sebsebseb> daurn: you have to change some option so it shows development releases to, or something like that
[04:32] <daurn> isn't that what the -d does?
[04:32] <mkoehler> yeah, it's supposed to
[04:33] <brassmaster> unless you're already at the latest dev release, too
[04:33] <daurn> well thats my problem: it doesn't :P; same story with do-release-upgrade
[04:33] <daurn> I think its something to do with my network connection
[04:33] <mkoehler> I upgraded through jaunty to karmic and I used that command
[04:33] <brassmaster> do you not have a connection to the internet?
[04:34] <daurn> how do you think I'm on irc.
[04:34] <mkoehler> yeah...
[04:35] <Polterge|st> I am going to try and drop to root recorvery console to install my 185 nvidia driver since it was not letting me activate it in Gnome
[04:35] <Polterge|st> that worked earlier
[04:35] <daurn> but the connection my computer is using is very restricted
[04:35] <brassmaster> excuse me. I just figured that with a comment like "I think it might be my network connection" on the topic of not being able to do an upgrade, you might not have thought to check that.
[04:35] <alteregoa> i smoke a gun
[04:36] <daurn> I had to tunnel through 3 ssh connections to get on irc :P
[04:36] <mkoehler> uh
[04:36] <alteregoa> daurn are you in china?
[04:36] <brassmaster> did you forward irc ports through ssh?
[04:36] <alteregoa> or burma?
[04:36] <daurn> at uni :P
[04:36] <brassmaster> you will need http to use update servers.
[04:36] <brassmaster> what?
[04:36] <mkoehler> port 80 / 8080
[04:36] <brassmaster> in our country, those are some of the most wide open networks.
[04:37] <brassmaster> don't know why http would be blocked on a university campus.
[04:37] <daurn> here you have to use 2 proxies to get out onto the net, they allow http and SOME https only
[04:37] <brassmaster> they would have to be specifically blocking ubuntu sites.
[04:37] <daurn> anyway, I was looking for a more manual way to upgrade
[04:38] <Polterge|st> ok I will try to reboot and maybe this time it will let me activate those drivers
[04:38] <mkoehler> that'd be called an intranet :-)
[04:38] <Polterge|st> if not then I have to uninstall them and try again
[04:38] <daurn> otherwise how can I upgrade via an ssh connection?
[04:39] <brassmaster> you need to tunnel http over ssh to a web proxy.
[04:39] <brassmaster> albeit a non-restrictive one.
[04:39] <mkoehler> I've got a better solution for you since you don't seem to have any access to internet
[04:39] <daurn> I was more looking for instructions on how to use a SOCKS proxy with do-release-upgrade
[04:40] <mkoehler> if you really really want karmic, backup your files and download the iso http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1893
[04:43] <daurn> I'll try and get socks working
[04:43] <mkoehler> mmhmmm... have fun
[04:46] <aprilhare> having problems upgrading to karmic
[04:46] <mkoehler> how so?
[04:47] <aprilhare> it has problems connecting to the repos and fails
[04:47] <aprilhare> at least it did so last night
[04:47] <mkoehler> are you tunneled through 3 layers of ssh too?
[04:47] <mkoehler> heh, just kidding
[04:47] <aprilhare> ?
[04:47] <aprilhare> :)
[04:47] <aprilhare> should I be? ;)
[04:47] <mkoehler> if you want to have fun like our friend daurn, then sure
[04:48] <mkoehler> do you have any debug output
[04:48] <aprilhare> mkoehler: i'll try now and get you some
[04:49] <aprilhare> working now
[04:49] <aprilhare> never mind :)
[04:50] <mkoehler> ok good deal
[04:50] <aprilhare> tex4ht and tex4ht-common are no longer supported?
[04:50] <aprilhare> hmm
[04:50] <aprilhare> whatever they were :)
[04:50] <mkoehler> and that's the reason why....
[04:52] <JamesB192> document formatting packges? j/k I don't know.
[04:53] <aprilhare> oh what fun: "TeX4ht - a system for authoring hypertext with TeX and friends"
[04:54] <mkoehler> sounds like a kid's tv show
[04:54] <mkoehler> haha
[04:54] <Polterge|st> drs305 ok now apt-get locks up
[04:54] <Polterge|st> probably because of my "workaround" earlier
[04:54] <aprilhare> openoffice.org - have the packages changed? its promising to remove lots of em and replace some of them
[04:54] <drs305> Polterge|st: I didn't get that problem using the link.
[04:54] <Polterge|st> it got rid of the error message and forced it to download but ...
[04:55] <aprilhare> cause i want OOo when i'm finished
[04:55] <Polterge|st> I need to go to that folder and manually remove the files since I extracted them and put them there
[04:55] <drs305> aprilhare: Yes they have, although I am battling dependencies for it at the moment.
[04:55] <aprilhare> oh dear
[04:55] <aprilhare> i need OOo and i can't afford to lose
[04:56] <drs305> aprilhare: I may have just been me. OO is still working, I just can't update it.
[04:56]  * aprilhare is hesitant
[04:57] <drs305> aprilhare: I tried to update and it just wouldn't let me. It didn't break anything. But if you really need it, I don't think there is anything major in the updates.
[04:57] <aprilhare> i know i needed a fix for an OOo bug under AMD64 - tables disappearing from documents
[04:57] <aprilhare> like everything it was upstream
[04:58] <aprilhare> why the hell is it removing supertuxkart?
[04:58] <aprilhare> :)
[04:58] <aprilhare> and warzone2100 too
[05:00] <aprilhare> *canceled* do not trust!
[05:03] <Polterge|st> I think I am going to manually have to remove apturl in order to get apt-get to work again
[05:04] <Amaranth> aprilhare: try aptitude or the update-manager upgrader
[05:08] <aprilhare> Amaranth: that was using the update-manager upgrader
[05:16] <Polterge|st> since trying to use apt-get to remove apturl was locking my system up I will try with aptitude
[05:16] <Polterge|st> it seems to work
[05:17] <Polterge|st> sudo aptitude clean or sudo apt-get clean locks my system up
[05:17] <Polterge|st> I have to skip it for now
[05:29] <alteregoa> fascinating
[05:30] <Polterge|st> I am thinking I will have to completely get rid of that apturl directory manually using midnight commander since I have that installed
[05:31] <Polterge|st> I that would be an easy way to do it
[05:31] <Polterge|st> in other words I need to clean that off the system manually since the apt-get clean locks up the system
[05:31] <Polterge|st> and then I need to run through setting up the packages on the system again
[05:31] <jml> is apturl generally broken or just for me?
[05:31] <Polterge|st> for everyone
[05:32] <jml> thanks.
[05:33] <Polterge|st> well at least it appears to not be getting the apturl crash report on boot now
[05:33] <Polterge|st> I stand corrected
[05:34] <Polterge|st> I spoke too soon
[05:34] <Polterge|st> oh wait
[05:34] <Polterge|st> that is wifi radar
[05:42] <Polterge|st> ok I need to ask a good question ...
[05:42] <Polterge|st> when you use "sudo apt-get clean" what does it clean ?
[05:43] <Polterge|st> which directory or file(s)
[05:46] <jml> Polterge|st, /var/cache/apt/archives/ and others
[05:46] <jml> /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ too
[05:47] <jml> (I found this out by running 'sudo strace apt-get clean')
[05:52] <Polterge|st> ok the reason I ask is because I am trying to manually do a sudo apt-get clean because the command is freezing up my computer
[05:52] <Polterge|st> therefore I have to verbosely do it all by hand
[05:52] <Polterge|st> would it be safe to say that deleting all the archives in those folders would do the job ?
[05:53] <DanaG> try aptitude clean?
[05:53] <jml> Polterge|st, I would be reluctant to delete them manually, even though it's probably safe.
[05:54] <jml> Polterge|st, the output of 'sudo strace apt-get clean' would be helpful in debugging why it's causing your computer to freeze
[05:54] <Polterge|st> it is more of a matter of have to
[05:54]  * jml gets side-tracked on trying to debug podsleuth.
[05:58] <Polterge|st> ok let me ask another question jml
[05:58] <Polterge|st> do you have a file named /etc/debian_version
[05:59] <jml> I do.
[05:59] <Polterge|st> ok just making sure
[05:59] <Polterge|st> I did not want to delete anything that shouldn't be deleted
[05:59] <Polterge|st> can you do me a favor and open it up and tell me what it says
[06:00] <jml> $ cat /etc/debian_version
[06:00] <jml> squeeze/sid
[06:00] <Polterge|st> ok cool
[06:00] <Polterge|st> just making sure
[06:03] <Polterge|st> I tried to manually clean it
[06:03] <Polterge|st> I will see if this helps
[06:03] <Polterge|st> I tried to get rid of all remnants of the other way I installed that archive before
[06:07] <Polterge|st> hmm ok now I get a stack trace when I try to use sudo apt-get autoremove
[06:07] <Polterge|st> could anyone look at this and tell me how to fix it perhaps ?
[06:07] <Polterge|st> actually it is a traceback
[06:09] <Polterge|st> jml can you do me another favor ? look in /usr/bin and tell me if there is a file named pycentral
[06:09] <jml> Polterge|st, there is
[06:09] <jml> Polterge|st, I strongly recommend not deleting random files from your system.
[06:10] <Polterge|st> ok and what about in /usr/lib/python2.6/ConfigParser.py
[06:11] <Polterge|st> do you have that file also ?
[06:11] <jml> I do.
[06:12] <jml> that was your last free question, I'm afraid :)
[06:13] <Polterge|st> I am just checking to see which files do not belong
[06:14] <Polterge|st> earlier I unzipped the apturl into the python2.6 folder and ran the debian_binary file manually
[06:14] <Polterge|st> and I think it may have copied some files or settings somewhere
[06:15] <Polterge|st> until I remove those files or settings I cannot use "sudo apt-get clean"
[06:15] <Polterge|st> it will lock up the system
[06:15] <Polterge|st> and it cannot configure apt-url until then
[06:16] <jml> Polterge|st, I see.
[06:17] <burner> is alt+f2 broken for anyone else?
[06:17] <Polterge|st> burner that is from Gnome getting replaced probably
[06:17] <Polterge|st> has to deal with python
[06:17] <burner> how do i fix it?
[06:17] <Polterge|st> pycentral or something
[06:17] <Polterge|st> try logging out and rebooting
[06:17] <burner> i've done that a few times
[06:17] <Polterge|st> if you just updated that is normal
[06:17] <Polterge|st> hmmm
[06:18] <Polterge|st> maybe try this here ....https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/422825
[06:18] <burner> i have no alt+f1, alt+f2... but my ctrl+alt+d works for desktop
[06:20] <burner> what's that have to do with keyboard shortcuts?
[06:21] <Polterge|st> well the keyboard shortcuts may be tied to Gnome
[06:21] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/398826
[06:21] <Polterge|st> if they are then it could have to do with python
[06:23] <burner> thanks :)
[06:23] <Polterge|st> http://pastebin.com/m6a85f211
[06:23] <burner> odd bug to find where the panel needs to have "none" for a background
[06:23] <Polterge|st> that is the problem I am having
[06:23] <burner> i'm such a happier gnome user with alt+f2 :)
[06:24] <Polterge|st> would anyone know how to fix that ?
[06:25] <burner> got me on that.. why remove apturl?
[06:25] <Polterge|st> because I need to reinstall it
[06:26] <Polterge|st> and I cannot configure it until I remove it completely
[06:26] <Polterge|st> if I do not then sudo apt-get clean locks my system up
[06:29] <DanaG> sudo dpkg --force-depends --purge apturl
[06:29] <DanaG> that'll force-remove apturl.
[06:30] <DanaG> then use aptitude to just plain install the new version.
[06:32] <Polterge|st> I'm pretty sure it would work if I just can get this removed
[06:33] <Polterge|st> it still won't do it
[06:37] <Polterge|st> man I have hit a roadblocl
[06:37] <Polterge|st> cannot go any further until I can do this
[06:37] <Polterge|st> roadblock even
[06:37] <Polterge|st> http://pastebin.com/m6a85f211 that is what the errors look like
[06:57] <Polterge|st> ok I think I may have a solution that could work but it will require someone giving me a copy of the two files that are messed up
[06:57] <Polterge|st> from karmic
[06:57] <Polterge|st> someone who has apturl installed probably could put a copy of pycentral and ConfigParser.py in a tarball
[06:58] <Polterge|st> and then send it to me
[06:59] <Polterge|st> in theory these files have a default setup when they are installed and I am guessing that overwriting them with a stock file from Karmic would likely be like having a fresh install
[06:59] <Polterge|st> and most likely it would remove the errors
[07:53] <alteregoa> atheism is  a non-prophet organisation
[07:54] <cdE|Woozy> haha
[07:55] <cdE|Woozy> does users-admin fail to open the first time you logged in with "couldn't load configuration - an unknown error occurred" for anybody else? it works fine after that, but fails the first time
[08:50] <AnAnt> why do I get this when I run apt-get dist-upgrade:
[08:50] <AnAnt> The following packages will be REMOVED: empathy libempathy-gtk25 libempathy27
[08:54] <nhasian> AnAnt, it always wants to do that to empathy
[08:54] <nhasian> just reinstall it afterwards and all is well
[08:57] <Gnome64> Todays upgrade triggered that when you do apt-get dist-upgrade, just notice that myself after removing my Empathy without notice ;)
[08:58] <Gnome64> There is not Gtalk in Empathy after the update :|
[08:59] <Gnome64> pretty strange
[09:01] <alteregoa> amazing how the Jews, Christians, and Muslims have so much heritage in common, yet it seems they're always killing each other
[09:01] <Gnome64> alteregoa: please no. change the subject.
[09:07] <Polterge|st> man this is frustrating
[09:09] <Polterge|st> I accidentally screwed up earlier and unpacked apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb to /usr/lob/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk and I ran the debian_binary file in there thinking it would be an install script and I did decompress both the data and control files because it was not installing via dpkg via the update manager
[09:10] <Polterge|st> anyway then the update manager installed the other AptUrl program apturl-common
[09:10] <Polterge|st> before it was giving me errors and would not install it until after I did that ... then I started getting these errors : http://pastebin.com/m6a85f211
[09:11] <Polterge|st> and I managed to get someone to send me ConfigParser.py and pycentral but it was from another version of Ubuntu so clearly not what I really need
[09:12] <Polterge|st> I am wondering if anyone in here who is running karmic who already has apturl installed could send me those two files
[09:13] <AnAnt> anyone got a problem in upgrading apturl ?
[09:13] <Polterge|st> yes
[09:14] <Polterge|st> and here is the fix
[09:14] <Polterge|st> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/422825
[09:14] <Polterge|st> number 8
[09:14] <Polterge|st> however ...
[09:15] <Polterge|st> I need to replace my ConfigParser.py and pycentral files
[09:15] <Polterge|st> before I can do that
[09:15] <Michalxo> what does apturl do?
[09:15] <Polterge|st> I need a copy of those files from Karmic
[09:15] <AnAnt> Polterge|st: why ?
[09:15] <Polterge|st> from someone who already has it apturl installed
[09:15] <Polterge|st> because my version are messed up
[09:16] <Polterge|st> I managed to get sudo apt-get clean to not freeze my computer up
[09:16] <Polterge|st> now I need to replace those files with native versions from Karmic
[09:16] <Polterge|st> once I do that I might be able to finish uninstalling and purging apturl and follow the instructions on the website
[09:16] <Ian_> any word on ati HD 4870 and 2.6.31 yet?
[09:17] <AnAnt> Polterge|st: probably reinstall python2.6-minimal ?
[09:17] <Polterge|st> maybe so
[09:17] <Polterge|st> AnAnt
[09:17] <Polterge|st> I have to see if I can remove it first
[09:17] <Polterge|st> I might not be able to remove it without native Karmic versions of those two files
[09:17] <AnAnt> sudo apt-get --reinstall python2.6-minimal
[09:18] <AnAnt> sudo apt-get install --reinstall python2.6-minimal
[09:19] <Polterge|st> I will try that and see if it helps
[09:21] <AnAnt> sudo apt-get install --reinstall python2.6-minimal python-central
[09:23] <Polterge|st> hmmm
[09:24] <Polterge|st> it would not let me a moment ago
[09:25] <Polterge|st> hopefully that works
[09:27] <Polterge|st> here is the error it is giving me now http://pastebin.com/m1b0903d
[09:28] <Polterge|st> that is what I need to fix
[09:31] <Polterge|st> does anyone know how to fix that ?
[09:33] <AnAnt> nope, did you reinstall python2.6-minimal & python-central ?
[09:33] <Polterge|st> yes
[09:33] <AnAnt> try removing apturl & installing it again as in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/422825
[09:38] <Michalxo> well.. only upgrading part is broken.. so what's wrong with older version?
[09:41] <Polterge|st> I know that there has to be a file stored somewhere regarding that
[09:41] <Polterge|st> somewhere on the system
[09:42] <Polterge|st> it labels apturl-common as not installed and not removed
[09:43] <Polterge|st> and it cannot configure it because of saying that " dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script:Exec format error"
[09:45] <Polterge|st> and then under that it says "dpkg: error processing apturl (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[09:45] <Polterge|st> apturl
[09:45] <Polterge|st> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:45] <Polterge|st> that is the whole message
[09:48] <Polterge|st> I am wondering if it is possible that maybe I need to download the apturl-common package from Jaunty's repositories and extract it and run its post install script
[09:59] <Polterge|st> my guess is that maybe I installed apturl the wrong way and didn't fully install it and did so before the previous version was uninstalled
[09:59] <Polterge|st> and maybe this is why it is giving me errors now
[10:01] <catweazle> Polterge|st: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/422825/comments/8
[10:03] <Michalxo> Polterge|st, I have errors too
[10:03] <Michalxo> nothing to worry about ;)
[10:05] <Michalxo> bug - resolved by catweazle 's link ;)
[10:11] <Polterge|st> honestly I don't know how to fix this
[10:11] <Polterge|st> I think I'm giving up
[10:11] <Polterge|st> I've wasted too much time on this
[10:46] <Polterge|st> I think I will use the broken filter as Ubuntu suggested and try to find all of the broken packages on my system and remove them and see if it will let me start the updater over
[10:46] <Polterge|st> upgrade process rather
[10:47] <Polterge|st> they need a tool for Ubuntu that does that
[10:47] <Polterge|st> something that ... no matter what
[10:47] <Polterge|st> even if the postscript is not there will delete certain files from the environment path folders
[10:47] <Polterge|st> in order to clean up the system and repair itself
[10:48] <Polterge|st> I am shocked that they don't have that
[10:49] <Michalxo> empathy sux :( not very keen on saying that.... gajim still beats it...
[10:59] <alteregoa> sometime i wonder why something gets changed if it works?
[10:59] <alteregoa> don't touch a working program, debug it, but don't add additional bugs, rule #1 of a programmer with knowledge, btu hobby programmers do not obey it
[11:00] <eagles0513875> morning
[11:00] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: morning
[11:00] <alteregoa> this apturl bug is ludicrous sorry haha, whatever
[11:00] <eagles0513875> how goes it gnomefreak
[11:00] <gnomefreak> alteregoa: all depends on what they did. if it was upgraded to newer version yes it can get buggy however remember all code for anything has bugs
[11:01] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: whats wrong with apturl?
[11:01] <eagles0513875> ?
[11:02] <eagles0513875> which bug
[11:02] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: asking because of what you stated :)
[11:02] <eagles0513875> apturl what is that
[11:02] <eagles0513875> if you dont mind me asking
[11:03] <eagles0513875> is it links to the repos and or what
[11:04] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: for the most part. it has a few jobs
[11:04] <eagles0513875> hehe who broke the urls to the repos :P
[11:04] <gnomefreak> ok what version of cups do you have?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: not sure let me check
[11:04] <eagles0513875> haha
[11:05] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: stupid question which i know ill probably get berated for but can i use kubuntu repos on debian
[11:05] <gnomefreak> apturl looks to be mvo's baby
[11:05] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: yes but i wouldnt do that
[11:06] <eagles0513875> outa curiosity why not
[11:06] <gnomefreak> asking for problems to say the least
[11:06] <Michalxo> what the hell?
[11:06] <Michalxo> I suggest that Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex continue using Pidgin by default. I look forward to working with the Empathy and Pidgin developers, if invited, to design solutions to their usability problems.
[11:06] <Michalxo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
[11:06] <Michalxo> empathy is in development for 2 years?
[11:07] <Michalxo> (already)
[11:07]  * eagles0513875 goes to download the karmic iso to make another karmic vm
[11:07] <eagles0513875> seems like the guest addons screwed up me resolution
[11:07] <gnomefreak> Michalxo: please see #ubuntu for questions regaurding that
[11:07] <eagles0513875> on vbox :(
[11:08] <gnomefreak> Michalxo: we are strictly a Karmic support channel
[11:08] <Michalxo> gnomefreak, I don't see a reason why I should "ask/mention" .. isn't empathy in karmic by default? :-)
[11:09] <gnomefreak> Michalxo: hotsure but either way you did not ask about karmic
[11:09] <Michalxo> well.. I am using it after all ;)
[11:09] <Michalxo> and gathering info about empathy... still not mature enough.. though :(
[11:10] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: may i pm ya
[11:10] <gnomefreak> Michalxo: you might try #ubuntu-offtopic since it does not relate to support for Karmic
[11:10] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: yeah
[11:10] <gnomefreak> Michalxo: there are ways of finding out. check live cd or check the wiki might help
[11:11] <Michalxo> gnomefreak, ok thanks :)
[11:11] <Michalxo> gnomefreak, I am on karmic already ;) about 1,5-2 months ;) and have here emapthy :) I was just shocked, that they wanted to bring it up in ibex already...
[11:12] <gnomefreak> i need to know versions of cups and cupsddk everyone has
[11:12] <dabukalam> i don't get it. karmic WILL break?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> its possibile what you read was wrong or old
[11:12] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: of course it will
[11:13] <dabukalam> gnomefreak: can you elaborate?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: not really all depends on what programs you use and what is wrong with them but since we are still fairly early in devel cycle things will break
[11:14] <dabukalam> oh ok. that's what it means
[11:14] <dabukalam> yeah things will break...
[11:14] <dabukalam> but the whole thing isn't broken ;)
[11:14] <dabukalam> another question
[11:14] <gnomefreak> things will and are broken
[11:15] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: depends if the kernel is broken
[11:15] <dabukalam> aren't things a bit behind schedule?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> there are still a few bugs in kenel that might be blocking b1 release however i havent been here in a day or 2
[11:15] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: i did not say that
[11:16] <dabukalam> what?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: i did not say it is behind schedule
[11:16] <dabukalam> oh... yeah... i was just asking
[11:17] <dabukalam> because usually it's beta by under 2 months before release
[11:17] <dabukalam> but it seems it's still at alpha
[11:17] <Michalxo> dabukalam, it worths a try liveCD and upgrade it.. you'll see the differences :)
[11:17] <Michalxo> dabukalam, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule :)
[11:18] <dabukalam> :D I won't do that on my every-day laptop
[11:18] <Michalxo> well.. I do :D
[11:18] <dabukalam> so boot time is EVEN faster than jaunty?
[11:19] <Michalxo> i think by 2-5secs.. my laptop always boot slow.. :)
[11:19] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: around 18 seconds here
[11:19] <dabukalam> you mean total boot time?!
[11:19] <Michalxo> wow :) significant improvement :)
[11:19] <dabukalam> holy %$£@!
[11:20] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: define total boot time
[11:20] <Michalxo> dabukalam, well.. x-(2 to 5 secs) :) where X is total boot time :D
[11:20] <dabukalam> i mean BIOS, GRUB (set to 0 secs) , ubuntu, auto-log in, desktop
[11:20] <LucidFox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability <-- What is this dark theme? Karmic's new default?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> grub-desktop or to log in dependsing on your set up. i have mine auto most of time
[11:21] <Michalxo> LucidFox, it's deafult imo.. dark theme (or try shiki colors)
[11:21] <LucidFox> (incidentally, what's the default theme in a fresh Karmic install?)
[11:21] <Michalxo> should be in repos too
[11:21] <dabukalam> gnomefreak: you ahve a solid state or just a normal HDD?
[11:21] <Michalxo> LucidFox, same old ;)
[11:21] <LucidFox> Still Human?
[11:21] <Michalxo> yes
[11:21] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: normal
[11:22] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: times will not be same as others
[11:22] <Michalxo> but still alpha 4 LucidFox :)
[11:22] <dabukalam> michalxo: but that will change by 10.04
[11:22] <gnomefreak> can not will
[11:22] <dabukalam> gnomefreak: specs?
[11:22] <Michalxo> well.. I don;'t use default.. so it's not important for me :)
[11:22] <LucidFox> I upgraded from Jaunty two days ago, now I have sound problems in GNOME. The mixer tray icon starts with sound muted, and it has disappeared in Wine.
[11:23] <LucidFox> And YouTube hangs the Flash plugin when trying to play videos.
[11:23] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: more htan likely if your system is new than it wont help you but proc=1.3 memory=256
[11:23] <dabukalam> michalxo: i will rejoice when the default is slick and sexy, because it means i don't have to slow my boot time down sue to gtk/beryl changes
[11:23] <Michalxo> LucidFox, for great themes see http://www.bisigi-project.org/
[11:24] <LucidFox> Michalxo> I'm quite satisfied with New Wave, thanks :)
[11:24] <dabukalam> gnomefreak: let me get this straight. you have a boot time of 18 seconds on a 1.3GHz 256MB build?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> ext4 is most likely the main reason
[11:24] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: around 18 secs yes
[11:25] <LucidFox> I had a similar sound problem before with unstable Jaunty, but a fresh install of stable Jaunty fixed it.
[11:25] <dabukalam> gnomefreak: okay. well my specs rape yours, so that puts me around 14 seconds :D
[11:25]  * dabukalam tears up with joy
[11:25] <LucidFox> Any ideas?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> thats with autologin but as defautl you will see login on the desktop
[11:26] <gnomefreak> dabukalam: different for everyone so dont get excited ther is more to it that just proc and memory but those are main 2
[11:26] <cdE|Woozy> I must be doing something wrong. On my system it takes half a minute just from grub to X starting :o
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a few
[11:44] <elky> dabukalam, uh... could you avoid that word please.
[11:47] <dabukalam> elky: rape?
[11:47] <elky> dabukalam, that one indeed.
[11:48] <dabukalam> elky: k, sorry :S
[11:48] <elky> dabukalam, thanks for acknowledging it, apology accepted.
[11:50] <gnomefreak> whom ever was looking for default empathy here is this Empathy has replaced Pidgin as the default instant messaging client, introducing the Telepathy framework.
[11:52] <maxb> So, now I've updated to current Karmic, and got the silly little circles in the top left of all my windows..... how do I get the application-specific icons back?
[11:53] <mac_v> maxb: huh?
[11:53] <mac_v> human theme?
[11:53] <LucidFox> Just started smplayer and tried to play a video
[11:54] <LucidFox> It hangs, and pulseaudio consumes most CPU time
[11:54] <LucidFox> about 61%
[11:54] <gnomefreak> mac_v: what version of cups do you have?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> mac_v: also cupsddk-drivers and supsddk
[11:55] <maxb> mac_v: Some time in the last 24 hours or so, the top-left icons of all my gnome windows have been replaced will small circles. I dislike it. Yes, it probably is human-theme package. Is there a setting I can frob on a per-user basis?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> maxb: change the theme and see if it helps
[11:56] <mac_v> gnomefreak: cups , cupsddk > 1.4.0-3 ,
[11:56] <mac_v> maxb: that is now how the deafult human theme will behave , there is no setting to change it back
[11:56] <maxb> gnomefreak: It does. Is there any way to vary just one element of a theme? I'm happy with the defaults in all respects but this
[11:57] <mac_v> maxb: you can edit the gtkrc file
[11:57] <mac_v> to have the icons back
[11:57] <maxb> That will work for me. Sucks for less technical users, though :-(
[11:57] <mac_v> gnomefreak: why were you asking about the cups?
[11:58] <mac_v> maxb: pastebin the gtkrc and i'll tell you how
[11:58] <gnomefreak> mac_v: and printing works?
[11:58] <mac_v> gnomefreak: hehe , no printer ;p
[11:58] <gnomefreak> mac_v: just wanted to know
[11:59] <gnomefreak> :(
[12:01] <mac_v> maxb: that was a "design decision" because of this bug! > Bug #405426
[12:01] <Oli``> Sound. I can't play two pulseaudio things at the same time. When I start the second stream, the last thing heard stutters and fades to silence. Example: banshee and mplayer both using native pulseaudio
[12:01] <maxb> mac_v: Thanks for the link. I am learning to loathe the words "design decision"
[12:02] <mac_v> Oli``: > Bug #411962 , check out my workaround
[12:02] <LucidFox> How do I regenerate /etc/pulse?
[12:03] <mac_v> maxb: i know it is a stupid decision too ;) , i'v commented
[12:03] <LucidFox> er, never mind
[12:03] <mac_v> Oli``: if the workaround works , attach the folders to the bug report
[12:03] <LucidFox> *sigh* Looks like I completely broke sound.
[12:03] <Oli``> mac_v: cheers
[12:04] <mac_v> LucidFox: what the prob?
[12:04] <LucidFox> mac_v> I wrote it several times before
[12:04]  * mac_v doesnt feel like scrolling back ;p
 I upgraded from Jaunty two days ago, now I have sound problems in GNOME. The mixer tray icon starts with sound muted, and it has disappeared in Wine.
 I had a similar sound problem before with unstable Jaunty, but a fresh install of stable Jaunty fixed it.
[12:05] <LucidFox> Also, the pulseaudio process eats all my CPU time
[12:06] <mac_v> LucidFox: CPU , seems a new issue , i think you need to file a bug for that , if it's not yet reported
[12:06] <LucidFox> Well, now I've deleted /etc/pulse hoping to regenerate the config files from scratch
[12:07] <LucidFox> but I can't find a way to do it
[12:08] <mac_v> LucidFox: hmm! why did you deleted the /etc/pulse? have you tried reinstall via synaptic? that might install the config again
[12:08] <LucidFox> Reinstall what?
[12:08] <mac_v> pulseaudio
[12:08] <LucidFox> I tried sudo aptitude reinstall pulseaudio and sudo aptitude reinstall libpulse0
[12:08] <LucidFox> The /etc/pulse directory has been created but is still empty
[12:09] <LucidFox> And I deleted it because I thought, maybe the issue is with my old config files botching the new PulseAudio or something
[12:09] <mac_v> LucidFox: the old config issue usually is due to file in your ~/.pulse , and not /etc
[12:09] <maxb> mac_v: I thought I could figure out the gtkrc syntax myself from the package diff,  but the diff is apparently in some theme xml file which I don't understand - can you help? - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31105143/human-theme_0.28.9_0.29ubuntu1.diff.gz
[12:09] <LucidFox> I tried cleaning ~/.pulse too
[12:09] <LucidFox> to no effect
[12:09] <maxb> (right at the end)
[12:10] <LucidFox> Now that I've deleted the config files, pulseaudio doesn't start at all
[12:10] <mac_v> maxb: just paste bin the gtkrc file , it is for me easier to instruct you , which line to edit
[12:10] <maxb> which gtkrc file?
[12:10] <mac_v> just a sec
[12:11] <Oli``> mac_v: did you mean for me to attach the ~/.pulse folder (that you deleted)?
[12:12] <mac_v> Oli``: did removing the ~/.pulse ? solve your problem? if so, attach the folder
[12:12] <mac_v> maxb: /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[12:13] <maxb> mac_v: the relevant change was not made in that file. It is in the metacity-theme-1.xml fil
[12:13] <maxb> e
[12:13] <mac_v> oh oops! yeah , sorry :)
[12:15] <mac_v> maxb: oh , Ken has just removed the lines ;) , you need to add new lines
[12:16] <LucidFox> *sigh* I'm tempted to do a clean install.
[12:16] <LucidFox> Are there candidate CD images for alpha 5 available? I heard something like that
[12:17] <gnomefreak> LucidFox: you can get the latest iso from the daily built ones
[12:17] <gnomefreak> !daily
[12:17] <LucidFox> Okay, thanks
[12:17] <LucidFox> I'll try a fresh install from those
[12:18] <Oli``> mac_v: did work (took a lot of fighting to get pulseaudio to restart) so I'll attach the dir
[12:18] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[12:19] <Kano> hi, whats the default pw for live mode to login into text mode? i could set one,but is there a default?
[12:24] <mac_v> maxb: report a new bug , dont change the bug title ;p
[12:25] <maxb> I seem to remember being complained at last time I reported a new bug complaining about a design decision :-)
[12:25] <gnomefreak> alpha 5 is due to be tomorrow
[12:25] <mac_v> hehe ,;)
[12:25] <mac_v> maxb: figured out how to revert the icons ? or need help?
[12:25] <maxb> Yes, what is it with making irritating design decisions late in the cycle?!
[12:26] <mac_v> !schedule
[12:26] <maxb> mac_v: I decided it looked too complicated for now, and set it aside for this evening
[12:26] <mac_v> maxb: its not , I'v got the lines *if* you want
[12:26] <maxb> please!
[12:27] <mac_v> maxb: then pls pastebin /usr/share/themes/Human/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml
[12:28] <maxb> GAAAh
[12:28] <maxb> !"^&!"^* paste.ubuntu.com won't let me because it's an XML file
[12:28]  * maxb munges it
[12:29] <mac_v> maxb: hmm the text can be copied and pasted ;)
[12:29] <maxb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/263717/
[12:29] <maxb> I wonder if I could get a patch into pastebinit which automatically prepends "<!-- paste.ubuntu.com is LAME and refuses pastes beginning with <? -->" on any content starting with <? ...... :-)
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> proberly could
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> or write your own
[12:31] <Andphe> Hi there
[12:32] <Andphe> after today's updates, my gnome panel is flickering
[12:32] <Andphe> everything around is moving with it :)
[12:33] <Andphe> any idea how can I at least take it down ?
[12:34] <mac_v> maxb: http://pastebin.com/m7acc78ae
[12:35] <mac_v> it would have been easier if you had used paste bin :(
[12:35] <maxb> Andphe: update again, the problem is already fixed
[12:35] <Andphe> maxb: thanks on it (y)
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> Updates to the update. :)
[12:35] <mac_v> maxb: note the change is in the line493-501 onwards, you might
[12:36] <alteregoa> !seen megaman
[12:36] <maxb> mac_v: ok... do I have to put this in /usr/ or is there somewhere I can put it in my homedir?
[12:36] <mac_v> maxb: you might wanna save it , as updates will overwrite it
[12:37] <mac_v> maxb: replace the human theme's file with this
[12:44] <mac_v> maxb: you can create a human clone and use it always from you ~/ , so it wont get overwritten on updates
[12:44] <mac_v> name needs to be different
[12:47] <Andphe> already stop flickering :)
[13:33] <Michalxo> :-O tomorrow alpha 5! :)  btw anyone knows about some info concerning art-drop (work) how is it called?
[13:34]  * Dr_Willis is confiused.. :)
[13:36] <Pici> I think Michalxo is asking when the new artwork will drop into Karmic
[13:37]  * Dr_Willis wonders if hes the only oen that dosent really care about 'new' artwork. :)
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> i always set my Theme and wallpaper back to what i am used to...
[13:41] <serp> New artwork on the 10th
[13:42] <serp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[13:44] <hfz> hi!
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> howdy
[13:45] <mac_v> !schecule > Michalxo:
[13:45] <hfz> what schedule?
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[13:45] <mac_v> !schedule > Michalxo
[13:45] <Michalxo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> We dont need no steenking Schedule!
[13:45] <Michalxo> this? :)
[13:45] <mac_v> ;p
[13:45] <hfz> what's that?
[13:46] <mac_v> !schedule > hfz
[13:46] <Michalxo> well.. I'd liketo see some info about "WHAT IS that art-drop"
[13:46] <gnomefreak> just type and read /t
[13:46] <serp> i can't find any either Michalxo
[13:46] <hfz> ubottu, where's your PM?
[13:46] <mac_v> Michalxo: what are you asking specifically ?
[13:47] <hfz> !schedule
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> I hope the default wallpaper has a cute and cuddly koala bear... :)
[13:47] <hfz> hahaha
[13:47] <Michalxo> in general... what it means.. .. what we can expect from it and so on..
[13:47] <mac_v> hehe , cute :)
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> not some  eyesoar like the last few releases have had.
[13:47] <serp> i hope they fix the boot animation
[13:47] <hfz> official ubuntu koala climb tree ;D
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> I always disable the boot animation
[13:47] <Michalxo> something like this? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> I did get the grub menu higher res and with a background.
[13:48] <Michalxo> I meant this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Artwork
[13:48] <mac_v> Michalxo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/
[13:48] <Michalxo> mac_v, thanks
[13:48] <mac_v> but the wiki has everything mixed up
[13:48] <hfz> yeah, thanks mac_v
[13:49] <hfz> amigos morten_ilre
[13:50] <Michalxo> balanzan theme is pretty neat :) I was using it a while ago ;)
[13:50] <hfz> where you found the balanzan theme, michalxo?
[13:51] <Michalxo> hfz, gimme a sec
[13:51] <hfz> ok master ;D
[13:51] <Michalxo> for great themes see http://www.bisigi-project.org/   .. already posted it here few hours before :)
[13:52] <Michalxo> karmic repositories coming soon.. ;)
[13:52] <Michalxo> use januty for now
[13:52] <hfz> thanks for the link ;D
[13:52] <hfz> i'm also using jaunty
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. that exotic theme at that site... is.. well..  never mind. :)
[13:56] <cdE|Woozy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/263781/ <- I'm getting this when I undock my laptop on karmic, does anyone know which package I should file a bug against?
[13:58] <hfz> just bug it at launchpad and you will know the solutions
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> You dont see as many laptops with 'docking stations' any more.
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> My old laptop had one.. it was handy.. worked as  a spare charger also.. but it had issues when i hotpluged it in (this was 4 yrs ago)
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> But given it was a $200 extra.. not worth the  cost.
[14:00] <hfz> hmmmm...
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:19] <cdE|Woozy> mine cost 130$ extra, I'm quite happy with it :)
[14:21] <jussi01> Im trying to use the usb creator in kubuntu however the "other" button for slecting the image is greyed out. is it borked for everyone or just me? and is there another option?
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> I sold mine to a guy wheni sold my laptop to a nother guy.. THEN reaiuzed on the reciept that the store never charged me for the $200 dock station when i bought it. :)
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> night all.
[14:23] <Michalxo> gn
[14:30]  * jussi01 sighs...
[14:31] <gnomefreak> jussi01: sorry never tried it before
[14:31] <jussi01> gnomefreak: I assume you are on gnome?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> jussi01: yep
[14:33] <jussi01> gnomefreak: could you just open it and see if it works/you can select a .iso image?
[14:33] <gnomefreak> jussi01: one minute
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> suprisingly quiet in here
[14:36] <Michalxo> devs do good job! no bugs :D
[14:37] <gnomefreak> jussi01: ok for source disk other is fine on disk to use it is greyed out
[14:37] <jussi01> gnomefreak: ok, great
[14:37] <gnomefreak> is that what you are seeing?
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: yeah ive had no issues since i started on alpha 3
[14:38] <Michalxo> i had many.. ;P
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: i had the apturl thing and the random py on the system thats not linked to anything
[14:38] <gnomefreak> ActionParsnip: everyone has that
[14:38] <Michalxo> yeah apturl was here too :)
[14:39] <Michalxo> $ empathy
[14:39] <Michalxo> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: got that fixed quick here :)
[14:39] <gnomefreak> Michalxo: that not everyone has :)
[14:39] <Michalxo> after setting priorities to jabber accounts.. empathy does not start anymore...
[14:39] <Michalxo> :)
[14:39] <serp> maybe it didn't like your priorities
[14:40] <Michalxo> hehe 5 is not a nice number.. yeah :) maybe 2,4 or 8.. :)
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: tried renaming ~/.empathy (or whatever its called)
[14:40] <Michalxo> yeah, same got on my mind now.. but I am just testing empathy...
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: opera all the way here
[14:41] <Michalxo> hmm
[14:41] <Michalxo> where should empathy have it's dir?
[14:41] <Michalxo> it's not in ~/
[14:42] <Michalxo> found only ~/.gconf/apps/emapthy :-/
[14:59] <nemo> hilarious
[14:59] <nemo> update-manager crashes
[14:59] <nemo> I think "hm, ubuntu might want to know about that"
[14:59] <mvo> nemo: in --partial-upgrade mode?
[14:59] <nemo> yep
[14:59] <nemo> mvo: but what amuses me is that you can't report it since not all your packages are updated
[14:59] <nemo> that virtually guarantees update-manager crashes won't be reported by the average tester
[15:00] <mvo> thats what #ubuntu+1 is for ;)
[15:00] <mvo> but seriously, we try to keep u-m working, that makes everything easier. a fix is going to be uploaded as we speak
[15:00] <nemo> cool
[15:00] <Michalxo> nemo, apturl problem was solved ;)
[15:00] <mvo> bug #422665 btw
[15:01] <nemo> Michalxo: um. wait. what apturl problem?
[15:01] <nemo> was that what was crashing it?
[15:01]  * nemo just ran into this
[15:01] <elliotjhug> Michalxo, was that the apturl problem with './usr/lib'?
[15:01] <Michalxo> there was one.. in updates.. I haven't got this one..
[15:01] <nemo> oh well. back to seeing if I can get eclipse running - right now the SWT Gtk package crashes Java6
[15:02] <Michalxo> Launchpad bug 422825 in apturl "Upgrading of apturl to 0.4.0ubuntu3 fails"
[15:02] <nemo> oh. and someone really should update evolution-map to 0.27.91 to match evolution 2.27.91
[15:02] <nemo> right now mapi is just broken
[15:02] <nemo> I did my own build. works much much better than 0.26
[15:02] <nemo> for one thing, no massive memory leaks :)
[15:02] <nemo> and it parses e-mail addresses correctly
[15:03] <nemo> s/evolution-map/evolution-mapi/
[15:08] <nemo> mvo: hm. apt-get dist-upgrade   doesn't seem to list as many packages
[15:08] <nemo> odd
[15:13] <untitled> hello
[15:14] <untitled> can u tell me what version of mpd is in karmic now?
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> !info mpd
[15:14] <untitled> !info xmms2
[15:14] <untitled> ok
[15:52] <natewiebe13> anyone know how to open .php files in firefox?
[15:53] <serp> they need to be sent through a php processor... which is usually done by a web server before it hits firefox
[15:53] <natewiebe13> trying to get wordpress working
[15:54] <serp> you need to set up apache+php+mysql for that i believe
[15:56] <natewiebe13> from the looks of the wordpress site, you are supposed to run from the web server.. why is there then a package in the repos?
[15:56] <natewiebe13> can you use it locally?
[15:56] <serp> certainly
[15:56] <natewiebe13> (id like to test it before i actually go using it)
[15:56] <serp> if you set up apache+php+mysql
[15:57] <serp> basically your own webserver/database locally
[15:57] <joaopinto_> natewiebe13, because you may want the package on your ubuntu web server ?
[15:57] <joaopinto_> natewiebe13, are you using Karmic ?
[15:57] <natewiebe13> joaopinto_: gotcha
[15:57] <natewiebe13> yaeh
[15:57] <natewiebe13> *yeah
[15:58] <Boohbah> natewiebe13: probably best to install wordpress directly from the site instead of with apt, easier to upgrade that way
[15:58] <natewiebe13> okay.. id like to try out comicpress.. thats the whole reason
[16:00] <natewiebe13> also, what is ibus for?
[16:02] <mlpug> if you want to see php in firefox that should not be served by lamp. disable your apache+php and open file you see it ok. if you have apache+php with default settings and the php is served by apache then it must not show php code to users but instead process that in php engine and send resulting markup to users browser
[16:02] <alankila> natewiebe13: generally, apt-cache show <package> to see its description
[16:14] <kklimonda> what's going on with couchdb in karmic? is it supposed to be a panacea for all our problems?
[16:48] <mistya> hi there..
[16:50] <mistya> Today I updated "empathy" and Facebook has been replaced!
[16:50] <mistya> Now i have bigbrownchunx-facebookim in the menu
[16:50] <mistya> but he don't work ç_ç
[16:50] <mistya> somebody help me!
[16:55] <solarion> is a broken workspace switcher (cannot have more than 2 workspaces; "rows" and "columns" stuck at 0) a known problem?
[16:55] <solarion> I don't see any bugs on it
[16:56] <solarion> does the channel not permit non-registered folks to talk?
[16:57] <Pici> No, just no one has answered you.
[16:57] <solarion> the channel said some stuff about "please register your nickname"
[16:58]  * solarion goes back to waiting
[17:02] <natewiebe13> anybody know how to install plugins to a local folder in wordpress?
[17:03] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week in #ubuntu-classroom - NOW! :-)
[17:08] <cdE|Woozy> solarion, I don't think so, you should file a bug. I can confirm the problem
[17:14] <nemo> !info apturl
[17:14] <nemo> hm
[17:14] <nemo> that's still the mucked up one right?
[17:14] <nemo> should be ubuntu4
[17:14] <nemo> ?
[17:30] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:32] <mac_v> mvo: why did you revert the apturl bug back to confirmed? problem still present with the new version?
[17:33] <nemo> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb
[17:33] <nemo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:33] <nemo> is that the new version? :)
[17:34] <mac_v> i thought the new version was ....ubuntu4
[17:35] <mac_v> s/thought/think
[17:36] <mvo> mac_v: hm? that might be a mistake, give me a sec (sometimes LP acts funny on me)
[17:37] <mac_v> hehe , ;) , https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422825
[17:42] <mistya> hi there
[17:43] <mac_v> !hi | mistya
[17:45] <nemo> hm
[17:45]  * nemo tries comment #7
[17:45] <robin0800> mac_v: See point 8 for the workaround
[17:45] <nemo> er
[17:45] <nemo> #8. yeah :)
[17:45] <nemo> the non-typoed one
[17:46] <mac_v> robin0800: ;) already did that , but was wondering about the status change :)
[17:46] <mac_v> thanks
[17:46] <nemo> does ubufox work in 3.5?
[17:46] <sebsebseb> nemo: yes if the add on has been updated for 3.5
[17:48] <robin0800> nemo: just add it back in i.e. reinstall
[17:53] <nemo> !MESSAGE Missing required bundle org.eclipse.wst.common.environment_[1.0.100,1.1.0).
[17:53] <nemo> heh
[17:53] <mistya> http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5830/schermatazmn.png what is this?
[17:53] <Michalxo> mistya, email?
[17:54] <Michalxo> I assume it's emapthy - facebook
[17:55] <mistya> No, it's facebook for empathy (I think). But I do not work.
[17:56] <Michalxo> so I was correct.. add there your login informations.. email or username | password ;)
[17:57] <Michalxo> where can I find empathy forlder in ~/ ??
[17:57] <Michalxo> I can't find it at all
[17:57] <robin0800> someone like to reproduce/comment on Bug #421982
[17:58] <mistya> no, Michalxo..with my exact data is not working.
[17:58] <Michalxo> well.. try forums.. I don't know sorry
[17:59] <mistya> Michalxo, thank's a lot :=)
[17:59] <Michalxo> managed to start it?! :)
[18:00] <Michalxo> I can't start emapthy at all.. so I really can't help... btw there is a chance that facebook "plugin" is not working yet.. dunno
[18:01] <Michalxo> oh my... empathy is in ~/.gnome/Empathy  bug E
[18:01] <Michalxo> as the only dir in whole world.. Empathy starts with CAPITAL E :D
[18:02] <DanaG> grr, nm-connection-editor doesn't let me enable automatic ipv6.
[18:10] <Michalxo> mistya, http://philliptweedie.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/facebook-chat-with-empathy-in-ubuntu/
[18:13] <mistya> Michalxo Non funzia
[18:13] <Michalxo> read all comments
[18:14] <mistya> ah, ok
[18:16] <mistya> Michalxo, no, non ho capio xD
[18:16] <Michalxo> well.. sorry I don';t know more
[18:17] <mistya> :D
[18:24] <skyjumper> anyone able to connect to a cisco vpn with networkmanager?
[18:24] <skyjumper> i'm getting http://nuklear.org/vpn_error
[18:24] <SwedeMike> I do it via vpnc directly instead.
[18:25] <nemo> wow
[18:25] <nemo> microsoft gets 2¼ billion in no-bid federal US gov't contracts every year
[18:25] <nemo> I had no idea it was that much
[18:26] <skyjumper> vpnc gives me another cryptic error
[18:28] <nemo> oh. wait. that was just this year
[18:28] <nemo> I wonder what last year was
[18:28] <nemo> almost 2½
[18:29] <nemo> although it actually got 3¼
[18:29] <nemo> 6% of their revenue. not bad.
[18:30] <guntbert> !ot | nemo
[18:32] <Michalxo> evince bug? impossible to read text in evince
[18:32] <David-T> anyone running karmic tell me what mode ls -l /dev/shm shows? things seem to assume 1777, but without hacking /etc/init.d I end up with 755
[18:33] <cdE|Woozy> drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 180 2009-09-02 19:32 /dev/shm
[18:37] <hggdh> Michalxo, evince is working fine here...
[18:38] <Michalxo> hm
[18:39] <David-T> Michalxo: oops, thanks, but i meant ls -ld /dev/shm
[18:39] <David-T> cdE|Woozy: yeah, that's what i expected... no idea why mine isn't that
[18:40] <David-T> actually, no, that's a lie, I've no idea _how_ yours _is_ 1777, i just expected it should be
[18:40] <nemo> David-T: by any chance were you running ext4 in jaunty?
[18:40] <Michalxo> drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 140 2009-09-02 19:39 /dev/shm David-T
[18:40] <nemo> yeah. same here
[18:41] <David-T> nemo: just ext3
[18:43] <alankila> mountdevsubfs.sh:	domount tmpfs shmfs /dev/shm tmpfs -onosuid,nodev$SHM_OPT
[18:43] <alankila> I goess that's supposed to set the thing up
[18:43] <David-T> but /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh is clearly running domount tmpfs shmfs /dev/shm tmpfs -onosuid,nodev$SHM_OPT where '$SHM_OPT' can only be 'size=...'
[18:43] <David-T> yeah
[18:43] <David-T> I've just added 'mode=1777' and it works fine, but I don't see why the default seems to be different for me from everyone else
[18:44] <alankila> do you have a /dev/shm entry at /etc/fstab? Is /dev managed by udev?
[18:44] <alankila> or whatever udev's been replaced by, if it's no longer udev
[18:48] <David-T> no entry in /etc/fstab - do you have one? it looks like /lib/init/mount-functions.sh would add a mode=1777 option if there was one there
[18:48] <David-T>  /dev is devfs and udev is still there i think
[18:48] <David-T> rather dev is tmpfs
[18:49] <Kamilion> just pulled today's updates and noticed update-grub was acting strangely and segfaulting while it runs. Anyone else seen this behavior yet?
[18:50] <Kamilion> More specifically, when grub-mkconfig is being called, it's segfaulting between the item title and kernel command line.
[18:50] <raymondjtoth> hi how i install on ubuntu 9.10 my logitech racing wheel io have
[18:50] <raymondjtoth> what i do
[18:51] <raymondjtoth> what i do to install on ubuntu 9.10 my logitech racing wheel i have
[18:51] <raymondjtoth> ?
[18:51] <Kamilion> raymondjtoth: modprobe joydev
[18:51] <raymondjtoth> kamilion how i install that
[18:51] <raymondjtoth> never did it in ubuntu 9.10
[18:52] <Kamilion> dunno, found it in the first howto google gave me back for installing a racing wheel in linux.
[18:52] <raymondjtoth> ok
[18:52] <Michalxo> raymondjtoth, what wheel?
[18:52] <dcosta> hello
[18:52] <raymondjtoth> hold on let me get mine
[18:53] <dcosta> im using karmic kuala but i have a issue whit my touchpad
[18:53] <Kamilion> raymondjtoth: and 'apt-get install jscalibrator' should give you a gui for calibrating it.
[18:53] <Michalxo> I have g25.. raymondjtoth managed to get it work bu FBB still suxs :(
[18:53] <raymondjtoth> i got a wingman formula fource gp fource feedback
[18:53] <dcosta> when i press double click whit finger dont works
[18:53] <dcosta> any solution ?
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> minchalxo what i do to get it working in my ubuntu 9.10
[18:54] <dcosta> i have last update
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> what recamend
[18:54] <Pici> dcosta: There should be an option to enable it in System>Preferences>Mouse
[18:54] <Michalxo> raymondjtoth, waht wheel?
[18:54] <dcosta> ok i will check it
[18:54] <raymondjtoth>  wingman formula fource gp fource feedback michalxo
[18:54] <Michalxo> hm... gimme a sec
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> michalxo  wingman formula fource gp fource feedback
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> i have ubuntu 9.10
[18:54] <raymondjtoth> ok
[18:56] <dcosta> yes fixed :P
[18:56] <dcosta> one more
[18:56] <Michalxo> raymondjtoth, well.. this wheel is not that good supported as others.. bu you should take a look at vdrift forums..
[18:56] <Michalxo> for instance here raymondjtoth http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=6711
[18:57] <Michalxo> there is the "main linux wheel community" :-/
[18:57] <raymondjtoth> michalxo what i do to get this working only one i got
[18:58] <Michalxo> raymondjtoth, read that forum ;)
[18:58] <raymondjtoth> ok
[18:58] <Michalxo> raymondjtoth, Yes it works, It feels much better with ff_invert=1 (I have Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP). blabala.. just read the forum and use google search for vdrift <your_wheel> linux support ;)
[18:58] <DanaG> hmm, what can I do with a Sidewinder Force Feedback Wheel?
[18:58] <DanaG> Do any games support that one?
[18:59] <raymondjtoth> michalox how i get it installed
[18:59] <raymondjtoth> all i need is installar how to
[18:59] <Michalxo> DanaG, ffb is very bleh in linux... but progress has been made and it making :)
[18:59] <Michalxo> raymondjtoth, FORUM
[18:59] <raymondjtoth> i reading it dint tell how to install it
[18:59] <Michalxo> all info there, I don;t know
[19:00] <Michalxo> it will... great attitude to linux-user lol
[19:00] <raymondjtoth> michalxo what i need
[19:00] <raymondjtoth> im a disability person im better at doing than reading
[19:01] <Michalxo> me too ;)
[19:01] <raymondjtoth> michalxo tell me i need gforce
[19:03] <Kamilion> With the new grub 1.97~beta1~1ubuntu1, when grub-mkconfig is being called, it's segfaulting between the item title and kernel command line and the output grub.cfg looks incomplete. Anyone have a couple minutes to help me track down the cause?
[19:03] <Michalxo> raymondjtoth, go play to windows.. like I do.. :D   btw you will not get G force through wheel ;)
[19:03] <raymondjtoth> michalxo ho-w i get gforce
[19:04] <raymondjtoth> just want wheel working g-fource i dont car about
[19:04] <DanaG> http://sourceforge.net/projects/libff/
[19:04] <DanaG> Not packaged.
[19:05] <Michalxo> is it so hard to you to read forum raymondjtoth ? :-?
[19:05] <raymondjtoth> yes
[19:06] <raymondjtoth> but how i installvdrift
[19:06] <raymondjtoth> tell me i need vdrift
[19:07] <Michalxo> I never tried vdrift so sorry
[19:07] <BluesKaj> !vdrift
[19:07] <Michalxo> I only play LFS... but definately not under linux :( though it works but not good :(
[19:07] <BluesKaj> !info vdrift
[19:08] <raymondjtoth> michalxo how i use back port of  vDrift
[19:08] <Michalxo> no idea
[19:08] <raymondjtoth> !info backport  vDrift
[19:08] <raymondjtoth> ! vDrift
[19:08] <raymondjtoth> !vDrift
[19:08] <raymondjtoth> !info  vDrift
[19:08] <raymondjtoth> !info vdrift
[19:09] <Michalxo> raymondjtoth, the best you can do.. register on vdrift forums and ask there ;)
[19:10] <Pici> There are no backports to Karmic yet
[19:10] <Michalxo> there are 2 years old threads.. so I'd say.. ask them there ;)
[19:10] <Kamilion> okay, monkeyed a bit, found out it's grub-probe segfaulting
[19:10] <shadeslayer> is it possible to mount a blackberry storm via bluetooth?
[19:10] <Michalxo> raymondjtoth, /join #vdrift
[19:10] <Kamilion> + /usr/sbin/grub-probe --device /dev/mapper/BigBlock-KarmicRoot --target=abstraction
[19:10] <Kamilion> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[19:10] <shadeslayer> i cant seem to send a file via the kdebluetooth thing
[19:11] <BluesKaj> !libg3d-plugins
[19:11] <Pici> !msgthebot
[19:12] <BluesKaj> !libG3D
[19:17] <solarion> cdE|Woozy: will do, thanks
[19:43] <DanaG> weird behavior:
[19:44] <DanaG>  root@EliteBook:~# asdgasdva
[19:44] <DanaG>  root@EliteBook:~#
[19:44] <DanaG> Note that a nonexistant command is silently exiting.
[19:45] <cdE|Woozy> DanaG, an update to command-not-found fixed that
[19:45] <cdE|Woozy> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/0.2.38ubuntu1/+changelog
[19:48] <DanaG> wow, bash no longer prints "command not found"?  argh, that's silly!
[19:48] <kklimonda> weird, was it a design decision on bash developers' side?
[19:52] <David-T> no, ubuntu traps the command not found so it can 'suggest' what you've typoed or what package you're missing
[19:53] <David-T> try 'sl' or 'firfox'
[19:55] <Twigaathy> David-T: hm, try "furfox". It doesn't return anything!
[19:59] <David-T> yeah, i know, it's broken but has been fixed...
[19:59] <Twigaathy> oh :o
[19:59] <Twigaathy> ah, yes. I should have read upchannel :)
[20:09] <Michalxo> DanaG, it does for me :)
[20:09] <Michalxo> root@calypso:/home/michalxo# asdgasdva
[20:09] <Michalxo> asdgasdva: command not found
[20:09] <DanaG> that's command-not-found doing that.
[20:10] <Pici> [bnrubin@nullcortex:~]$ grah \ zsh: correct 'grah' to 'rsh' [nyae]? n \ zsh: command not found: grah
[20:10] <Michalxo> probably :)
[20:10] <Pici> :)
[20:12] <eurythmia_> where is the syslog configuration file kept?
[20:15] <David-T> Michalxo: try hitting ^C really quickly after typing that... you'll get a python exception
[20:16] <Michalxo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:16] <Michalxo>   File "/usr/lib/command-not-found", line 8, in <module>
[20:16] <Michalxo> ...? :)
[20:21]  * rzr just installed karmic
[20:21] <sparr> can pulseaudio be removed?
[20:22] <SKB> no pa here :P
[20:22] <SKB> but it is not recommended
[20:23] <SKB> sound settings are gone for example
[20:27] <shadeslayer> rzr: welcome!!!
[20:27] <shadeslayer> SKB: well,i have phonon......
[20:28] <shadeslayer> !oss
[20:28] <SKB> i use audacity to tweak minimal sound card settings 0o
[20:28] <SKB> how odd is that
[20:28] <shadeslayer> SKB: very
[20:28] <shadeslayer> odd
[20:29] <SKB> and it works :D
[20:29] <shadeslayer> :o
[20:29] <shadeslayer> SKB: have you seen the !sound factoid btw?
[20:29] <SKB> no
[20:30] <shadeslayer> !sound | SKB
[20:30] <SKB> sound is working all right :P
[20:31] <SKB> even better than with PA
[20:31] <SKB> in my opinian
[20:31] <SKB> opinion
[20:31] <shadeslayer> SKB: doesnt PA manage sound?
[20:31] <SKB> alsa does now
[20:31] <shadeslayer> SKB: then why does gnome have pa ?
[20:32]  * shadeslayer has KDE and thus has no idea how this works
[20:32] <SKB> it is better at sound card usage somehow ( i do not see the difference between waving PA and not having it)
[20:33] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:33] <shadeslayer> afk
[20:34] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[20:47] <sparr> SKB: I would rather have sound work than have the worthless sound settings dialog
[20:48] <SKB> my sound works flawless (except settings, but i do not change them anyway)
[20:48] <eurythmia_> I've got apache2 set up from the repos, and I have a virtual host file pasted here: http://www.pastebin.ca/1551861  ... the problem that I'm having is that I keep getting 403 errors for my virtual host(s) ... any help would be appreciated.
[20:51] <sparr> SKB: there are some pulse-vs-alsa issues with my sound card right now that make it not work
[20:51] <sparr> the audio socket closes and reopens a few times a second, most of the time.
[20:51] <SKB> oh
[20:51] <sparr> wicked stuttering :(
[20:52] <sparr> on another note...
[20:52] <sparr> i need someone to confirm a bug in dash (bash?  whatever the default shell is these days)
[20:53] <sparr> mkdir foo\ bar; mkdir foo\ bar/baz
[20:53] <sparr> cd foo[PRESS TAB TWICE]
[20:53] <crdlb> sparr: the interactive shell is always bash
[20:53] <sparr> I see the shell refusing to autocomplete anything below a directory name with a space in it
[20:55] <eurythmia_> sparr: I can confim that baz will not autocomplete.
[20:55] <sparr> thank you
[20:56] <sparr> it should, right?
[20:56] <crdlb> that's the bash-completion package, btw
[20:57] <eurythmia_> sparr: I don't see why it shouldn't.
[20:57] <drs305> sparr: It changed to "/foo bar/baz" for me.
[20:57] <sparr> crdlb: some related bugs happen with bash without bash-completion
[20:57] <eurythmia_> sparr: I would think that the expected behaviour is for it to complete.
[20:57] <sparr> im going to uninstall the latter
[20:57] <drs305> cd /
[20:58] <sparr> problem persists without bash-completion
[20:58] <sparr> in a new shell, of course :)
[20:59] <eurythmia_> sparr: but one would expect it to persist without bash-completion. With bash-completion, however, if the problem persists, it is a bug.
[21:00] <sparr> bash-completion is for per-application completion right?
[21:00] <sparr> bash has "dumb" autocomplete by itself
[21:00] <crdlb> right
[21:00] <sparr> so the bug here is in bash
[21:03] <eurythmia_> sparr: I'm actually not sure how bash-completion works.
[21:03] <eurythmia_> sparr: it is entirely possible that it is one bug with multiple occurrences.
[21:10] <harn1> logout/shutdown/reboot buttons are not working. after a logout, the xserver is not restarting, am presently using command line for reboots. how can i correct this?
[21:13] <eurythmia_> I've got some pretty weird permissions stuff going on. something seems to think there's no permissions data in my web root ... here's the output of ls -laZ: http://www.pastebin.ca/1551898
[21:36] <asfjaskfj> what exactly was in 2.6.31-9 kernel
[21:36] <asfjaskfj> i thought rc8 was gonna be the last
[21:38] <mphill> linus's rc releases have little to do with ubuntu naming convention
[21:40] <hggdh> and you can look up the changelog to get the gritty details
[21:42] <StateS> Hiya, I'm running Kubuntu 9.10alpha4 i386, I believe that there is a bug in the screen edges configuration, what happens is that the entire left hand side of the screen doesn't activate any kind of action whatsoever, but the edges on the right hand side work just fine, also the middle top edge doesn't work, but middle bottom edge does...
[21:42] <StateS> is this a known bug?
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> what is the "100 papercuts" thing about please?
[22:15] <keith> has anyone else run across bug 383461? "gconf-sanity-check-2 exits with code 256 on Xorg start"
[22:16] <keith> Because I thought it was supposed to be fixed, but an update after alpha 4 is causing it for me.
[22:28] <eurythmia_> what obscure key combination do I need to press to get grub to show me a menu?
[22:28] <skyjumper> ESC
[22:28] <eurythmia_> skyjumper: nope. doesn't do it.
[22:28] <keith> shift
[22:28] <eurythmia_> keith: nope, doesn't do it.
[22:28] <keith> you have to hold it down
[22:29] <eurythmia_> keith: okay, I'll try that. I'll be back soon if it doesn't work.
[22:29] <skyjumper> maybe enable the menu in menu.lst
[22:29] <skyjumper> add a delay
[22:29] <keith> eurythmia_, It's annoy
[22:29] <eurythmia_> skyjumper: have you read anything about the new grub?
[22:29] <skyjumper> no
[22:29] <eurythmia_> keith: you're telling me.
[22:29] <eurythmia_> skyjumper: then be quiet and do it.
[22:29] <keith> eurythmia_, it's not grub2, it's them trying to improve boot time
[22:29] <skyjumper> yes, sir!
[22:30] <eurythmia_> keith: well, grub 2 is what's being used ... the configuration options and such are *all* different than previous versions of ubuntu
[22:30] <keith> bug 420259
[22:32] <keith> Anyone know why I am getting a gconf-sanity-check-2 error, or whatever on gdm start?
[22:45] <eurythmia_> okay, the shift key worked.
[22:45]  * eurythmia_ is calmer now.
[22:45] <aboSamoor> how can I increase the mic level, the sound is really low, I made alsamixer and sound preferences the highest !
[22:46] <eurythmia_> skyjumper: sorry, I didn't mean to be short with you.
[22:47] <eurythmia_> okay, so now for the real problem ... I have a directory in my homedir that belongs to my group, and my user, but unless I use sudo, I can't access them at all ... even ls -l doesn't work without sudo. Ideas?
[22:49] <guntbert> eurythmia_: please paste the output of ls -d <that dir> (thats only one line of output)
[22:49] <cdE|Woozy> ls -ld
[22:50] <cdE|Woozy> eurythmia_, the directory is probably missing +x
[22:50] <guntbert> cdE|Woozy: thx
[22:51] <guntbert> eurythmia_: ls -ld <that dir>
[23:00] <aboSamoor> can anyone help me ? My external mic was working fine yesterday, now it is recording but it is too low that you barely you can hear, I increased the mic level in alsamixer and the sound preferences but still no progress !
[23:30] <eurythmia_> would somebody like to test something for me? I think chmod 644 <dir> -R  causes permission corruption
[23:32] <eurythmia_> so: mkdir foo;mkdir foo/bar;touch foo/test1;touch foo/bar/test2; ls -l foo;chmod 644 foo -R;ls -l foo
[23:41] <hggdh> you mean chmod -R foo, right?
[23:42] <sparr> eurythmia_: elaborate on corruption?
[23:43] <sparr> eurythmia_: you are removing +x from foo, which is going to have negative effects on trying to look inside
[23:43] <hggdh> ooooh this is ugly
[23:44] <hggdh> eurythmia_, why would you want to take out the eXecute from a dir?
[23:45] <Tumie> hi, it's 3 september here (local time), when alpha 5 is coming?
[23:45] <hggdh> soon...
[23:46] <Tumie> hggdh, ok, if it will be released in 12 hours, it wil be there when i wake up :D :P
[23:46] <SpacePigeon> hi
[23:47] <SpacePigeon> does karmic bring clutter?
[23:48] <Lint> gdebi and update-manager do not work in fresh Koala system. WTF?
[23:49] <SpacePigeon> well, consider that it is still on alpha / beta
[23:54] <alteregoa> heh how can i change sambastic shares are used and made by my username instead of nobody?