/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/02/#ubuntu+1.txt

Polterge|stfreewins is cool because it makes your desktop seem a bit ore 3D and does pretty much what Looking Glass was going to do with its windows except freewins gives you even more control00:00
Polterge|stand stackswitcher is similar00:00
Polterge|st3d task switcher00:00
Polterge|stI do think they should include the cube-ubuntu plugin by default though with compiz in the recent release of Ubuntu00:01
Polterge|stsince it is an Ubuntu thing00:01
Polterge|stthey also need to update nautilus already and include the patch for desktop icons and compositing with the wallpaper plugin from compiz00:02
Polterge|stthe hack for that is already released and I do not know for the life of me why they wouldn't have it already in Karmic Koala when they do finalize it00:02
Polterge|stanyway those are just some observations about what would help the next release of compiz when this next version of Ubuntu is released00:03
DanaGcube-ubuntu?  what's that?00:06
alteregoaa desktop cube00:07
alteregoaits a useless eyecandy00:08
DanaGHow is that any different from the existing cube+rotate stuff?00:08
DanaGWhat makes it a "cube ubuntu"?00:08
alteregoai have no glue, maybe the name has changed00:09
komputesDanaG: bucky: that didn't work, just creates agrub.cfg file, no option to make the delay longer. Made this question https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/grub/+question/8164900:21
buckyDr_Willis, what was the solution to un hide the grub2 menu?00:37
buckyor get a longer timeout?00:38
Dr_WillisHmm..00:38
Dr_WillisUnhide? mine was never hidden that i saw.00:38
drs305I just came on. bucky - is this a standard question or are you having problems with the correct settings?00:38
Dr_WillisI have been tweaking the grub2 menus a little bit. got  a 1024x768 res now on mine.00:38
buckysome people can't get to their boot menu in grub200:38
Dr_WillisStill monochrime screen00:39
buckylol00:39
Dr_Willis/etc/default/grub has the settings for the hidden timeout and normal timeout00:39
buckyDr_Willis, do you know ian of deb ian ?00:39
Dr_Willisi dont see any settings for 'hiding' the menu in my configs.00:40
drs305GRUB_TIMEOUT=10  is the line in what Dr_Willis just posted00:40
buckykomputes, have you looked in /etc/default/grub ?00:40
buckyi guess kompute is and i've heard the question in here a few times... i still use just grub00:41
buckyDr_Willis, you prolly are ian.. huh?00:41
drs305For Grub 2:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub200:41
buckykomputes, ^^00:41
Dr_WillisHuh?00:42
Dr_Willistimeout 10 = wait 10 seconds...00:43
buckyi'll bookmark those00:43
Dr_Willis!find moreblue-orbit-grub00:43
buckyDr_Willis, you know.. ian murdock00:44
ubottuFile moreblue-orbit-grub found in desktop-base00:44
Dr_Willissome grub updates today it seems...00:44
Dr_Willisbucky:  no idea who ian murdock is.00:45
Dr_Williswell updated grub.. and tweaked the configs time to see what it looks like. BRB00:46
serphrmmm.. just did updates and now gnome-panel is dying,restarting,dying,restarting,dying,restarting00:47
drs305serp: I just had that problem and figured out the fix. Hold on, I'll get the link to my post.00:47
drs305serp:  Post #7  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=125541500:48
serpthanks00:48
* komputes is reading up on grub200:48
drs305Essentially, killall gnome-panel, open a terminal and gconf-editor and remove the clock applet.00:49
bjsnideris there some reason people would need to see the grub menu?00:49
drs305bjsnider: If you want to boot to a non-default OS or kernel.  That's what they mean I think.00:50
Uuuyes, it is, when different people work with different OS-es on one computer ;)00:50
* Uuu worries about the hidden GRUB menu and plans to activate it soon after install00:50
serpdrs305, nice.. fixed it.. no clock now though hehe00:51
drs305serp: Are you using 64-bit?00:51
serpyes00:51
bjsnideryes but it should be hidden unless you tap a key during the countdown00:52
drs305People say there was an update that fixed it but I haven't seen it in 64-bit yet apparently.00:52
serpahh ok00:52
serpi'll wait a few days before tryin to add it back the00:52
serpn00:52
drs305serp: I was playing around to submit a proper bug report. It's funny because you can add the clock back and as soon as you do it starts crashing continuously again.00:53
serphehe00:54
* drs305 goes to find a new clock applet...00:55
buckyDr_Willis, do you know who started debian and still lives in indy?00:56
Dr_WillisNot a clue. I have really never used Debian. :)00:57
Dr_WillisI sort of went the redhat -> mandrake -> ubuntu route over the last few years (12+)00:57
buckyyeah.. ian murdock  that's the ian in debian00:58
Dr_WillisMy Hero.. :)00:58
Dr_Willisor not. :P00:58
buckyand a lot of peoples.. his wife divorced him and debian kicked him out00:59
buckyno good deed goes unpunished... i guess00:59
Dr_WillisI tend to ignore the politics of disrtos mainly.00:59
tanathone of my repos is not authenticating, but when i try to fix it i get this: http://pastebin.ca/155094700:59
tanathwhat's the problem here?01:01
Dr_WillisOpera 10 released.. :) nifty.. wonder if we are going to have a 'browser vote screen' in ubuntu now. :)01:01
serpi vote for IE601:01
Dr_WillisYou want Moasic and you know it!01:01
serpi can't handle mosaic01:02
Uuuwget rules here ;p01:02
Dr_Willishttp://browsers.evolt.org/01:02
serpit's too hardcore01:02
Dr_Willis'hotjava' :)01:03
Dr_WillisI spemt Mosaic wrong. :P01:03
Dr_Willisspelt01:03
serpwtf..  i downloaded guild wars free trial and installed it... created a character and started to zone in and it's downloading over 20,000 files01:03
serphehe01:03
Dr_WillisThats how guildwars works01:03
Dr_Willislord of the rings online also does that trick now. so does 'quakelive'01:04
serpwhen it finishes do i gain a level?01:04
Dr_Willisthe game installs a minimal amount.. so you can et playing.. while the rest installs.01:04
serpyah i get it01:04
buckytanath, you've got hkp:// isn't that supposed to be http:// ?01:04
serpit just caught me offguard01:04
Dr_Willisit also works i think as a torrent server for the rest of the players01:04
Dr_Willisor at least it used to. Ive not played Guildwars in Years..01:05
Dr_WillisI really Liked Guildwars.. but the game just got too.. obsessive in how the other players acted.01:05
tanathbucky, 'twas a copy & paste from a note i left myself in /etc/apt/sources.list which was a copy & paste from some guide. it's worked before01:05
buckyok01:06
buckytanath, ownership and permissions look ok01:06
tanathbucky, indeed...01:06
tanathbucky, i have no idea why it's complaining01:06
buckytanath, i can do it as user.. maybe that's why01:07
buckydrop the sudo01:07
tanathi couldn't before. i've always had to use sudo01:07
buckyi just did it01:07
tanathbucky, erm, that worked01:07
* tanath facepalms01:08
buckyhehe01:08
tanathbucky, but now the question is, why is it looking in my user files?01:09
drs305serp: You can put cairo-clock on the panel. It doesn't show the time but you can put a shortcut on the panel and a click will give you an analog clock.01:10
buckyhmm.. cause you're in your home dir01:10
tanathbucky, updating packages & such should not check user config files01:10
tanathbucky, so? when i run 'sudo aptitude update' it shouldn't be looking at my user files01:11
tanathbucky, what if i run it as another user?01:11
buckytanath, you're dl'ing something from the opera site?01:11
tanathbucky, no01:11
buckyyou added another repo01:11
tanathbucky, the opera repo just stopped authenticating01:11
tanathbucky, so i readded the key01:11
tanathbucky, not added recently01:12
tanathbucky, as i said, it stopped authenticating01:12
tanathbucky, complained when i ran 'sudo aptitude update'01:12
DanaGhmm, my pulseaudio is still misdetecting my USB sound card, after all.01:13
buckymaybe a internet outage.. btw is that how you're suppose to add a key for a repo?01:13
tanathbucky, it's how i've always done it01:13
tanathbucky, that, then the next step01:14
DanaGsudo add-apt-repository ppa:ppaname01:14
tanathbucky, there's a way via synaptic now, but i'm not as familiar with it01:14
DanaGand if it's in a subdir, that's a "-p" parameter.01:14
tanathbucky, next step being: gpg --export --armor F9A2F76A9D1A0061 | sudo apt-key add -01:15
tanathbucky, or whatever the key it01:15
tanath*is01:15
DanaGeasier: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key KEY01:15
tanathDanaG, that'll replace both lines?01:16
DanaGthe add-apt-repository should replace both, yeah.01:16
DanaGDoes it all in one fell swoop.01:16
tanaththat doesn't seem easier. this way i just plug the key in place01:16
DanaGThe add-apt-repository thingy actually adds it to a sources.list.d file, as well.01:17
tanathi don't want anything in there01:17
tanathi prefer my repos centralized in /etc/apt/sources.list. easier to maintain01:17
DanaGah.01:18
DanaGBut the apt-key adv will replace the gpg line, at least.01:18
tanathi wouldn't know what to replace 'ppa:ppaname' with01:19
tanathand for that line anyway01:19
DanaGfor example, it'd be ppa:xorg-edgers01:19
tanathi dunno, this way is easy & works. i don't see the value in the other way01:20
DanaGor ppa:xorg-edgers -p radeon  (to get a subdir).01:20
tanathedgers??01:20
DanaG"xorg-edgers" is the name of one archive.01:20
tanather, yeah that's not something i've ever wanted to do01:20
tanathbut thanks01:20
tanathi can see how it can be useful, but it seems i'd need to know more about the repo i'm using than i care to01:21
DanaGActually, all you have to know is the name.01:22
DanaGYou already need to know that, anyway.01:22
tanathactually not01:22
DanaGOkay, then I must be misinterpreting your need for an apt key... you're not adding a PPA repository?01:22
tanathi see software i want, and the repo i need for it, i add it. aptitude update tells me the key i need for the repo to authenticate, then i just plug it in the gpg line01:23
tanathno, a previous one stopped authenticating actually (opera)01:23
DanaGah.  No wonder I'm confused.01:23
tanathlol :)01:23
DanaGbut anyway, "apt-key adv" is at least nicer than that pipe.01:23
tanathDanaG, so that one line, gets the key & adds it?01:25
DanaGYeah.01:25
tanathwell, i've added a note. i'll give it a try next time. thanks :)01:26
peepsalothow is a partial upgrade different from simply updating a bunch of packages?01:27
tanathDanaG, do you know how to get grub2 to show the menu like grub1? i installed grub2, and it replaced grub1 without asking and it doesnt' show the menu to choose kernel/os anymore01:28
DanaGhmm, you can edit /etc/default/grub -- I think you'd unset (that is, comment out) the grub_hidden_timeout.01:29
DanaGhttps://help.launchpad.net/Teams/MailingLists -- hmm, is it possible to read lists via nntp?01:29
tanathDanaG, what's hidden timeout as opposed to just grub_timeout?01:30
DanaGhidden_timeout makes it hide itself while counting.01:30
DanaGthe regular timeout is the time before it boots the default.01:30
tanatho.O01:30
tanathso my timeout of 5 seconds to choose an os was rendered pointless >.<01:31
tanaththat's a terrible default01:31
Dr_Willismy grub_hidden_timeout is   commented out by default01:31
Dr_Willisso the default makes sence to me.01:31
tanathchanging the grub1 settings at all is prolly a bad default01:31
tanathdidn't do that for me01:32
Dr_WillisTime to sharpen our grub-fu-2 skills01:33
tanathwell, thanks01:37
Dr_WillisHmm.. Cups is still not detecting/configuring my laserjet6l printer01:37
buckyDr_Willis, do you still have hplip and hpijs installed01:39
Dr_Willischecking that now.01:40
Dr_WillisI dont recall needing those for this laserjet 6l befor..01:40
buckyapt-cache search hplip  and look at the other packages too01:40
Dr_Willisnormally i plug the thing in.. and it works.. :)01:41
Dr_Williswillis@cow:~$ sudo apt-get install ifhp hplip hplip-cups01:41
Dr_Willisdont seem they were installed... :) now lets see01:41
Dr_WillisHmm still not seeing it.01:43
Dr_Willisbrb01:44
Dr_Willis!dontzap01:44
ubottuTo re-enable the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination that restarts your X server, you can install the "dontzap" package and use the command « sudo dontzap --disable ». The combination Alt+SysRq+K can also be used to obtain a similar effect.01:44
Dr_Willishmm.. ok.. so 'dontzap' has changed also.. :)01:44
bjorkintoshso any significant problems after upgrading? is it yet safe ?01:50
bjorkintoshi'm mostly concerned about fixing broken dependencies i can't seem to resolve in the current version.01:50
mkoehleryeah01:51
mkoehler9.10 hasn't really given me any problems except for one last night that I fixed01:51
mkoehleryou might try a safe upgrade01:51
mkoehlerlike sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade01:51
bjorkintosha safe upgrade? is that something to do with gnome?01:51
maxbalthough gnome-panel seems to currently be broken01:51
DanaGhah, SAK is not the same as zap.01:51
bjorkintosh'cause i deleted that $%##$%#$ of @#$%#$# as soon as i could.01:51
Polterge|stI had problems installing apturl a moment ago01:51
DanaGZap is like, "please quit, X server!".01:51
DanaGSAK is like: "YOU DIE NOW!".01:52
Polterge|stI will need help with it in a bit01:52
DanaGIf you SAK xorg, it tends to trash the consoles.01:52
maxbSAK on tty1 has a tendency to kill init and panic the kernel, too :-)01:52
bjorkintoshaptitude...01:52
bjorkintoshcan't it all be done with apt-get w/o aptitude?01:52
mkoehleryeah, you can01:52
mkoehlerbut I don't think you can do the safe-upgrade01:53
mkoehleralpha4 has been pretty stable for me, so I don't think you'll have problems01:53
Polterge|stI am going to have to try it in a bit01:53
Polterge|st24 minutes left to go01:53
Polterge|st2 errors so far01:53
Polterge|sthopefully nothing major01:53
Polterge|stI think one dealt with python01:53
Polterge|stcouldn't create a directory01:53
Polterge|stand the other was apturl01:53
Polterge|steverything else has installed so far01:54
mkoehlerah01:54
Polterge|stdo you think aptitude will install them for me ?01:54
Polterge|sthopefully it will boot01:55
Polterge|stlol01:55
Polterge|stif not I can go into recovery mode maybe and fix X if it does not ...01:55
mkoehlerit might, might not01:55
Polterge|sthopefully it boots though01:55
Polterge|stI am keeping my fingers crossed01:55
mkoehlerI was only introduced to the 'safe-upgrade' last night when I broke my upgrade-manager01:55
mkoehleryeah01:55
mkoehlerI can't say how many times I've had to do that before heh01:55
mkoehlerdon't try the most recent kernels01:55
Polterge|styeah you might have to show me safe upgrade if this does not work01:55
mkoehler-8 and -9 don't work for me01:56
mkoehleri heard that's a more widespread problem01:56
Polterge|stwhat is -8 and -9 ?01:56
mkoehlerthe ending to the kernel numbers01:56
mkoehlerhang on, I'll figure out the whole numbers01:56
Polterge|stheh hopefully it works out01:57
Polterge|stI really like my system and have alot on it I want to save01:57
mkoehler2.6.31-9-generic and 2.6.31-8-generic don't work for me01:57
mkoehlerof course, that's because the nvidia driver doesn't work on them01:58
mkoehlerthe kernels work though - so if you don't use the proprietary driver, it'd probably work01:58
Polterge|sthmm01:58
Polterge|stwell I've heard 190 works with the newer kernel01:58
Polterge|stit is beta but should work01:59
Polterge|stand even in the event that it doesn't it seems like 185 would01:59
mkoehleryeah01:59
maxbDoes anyone know what the precise package version for the gnome-panel keeps crashing fix is?01:59
buckymaxb, the one with the clock on it02:00
bucky?02:00
Polterge|stI am excited that it is upgrading Gnome02:00
maxbit's apparently clock related, yes02:00
maxbWell, I seem to have the fix now, so never mind. I'm not sure quite what fixed it, even after reading the package changelogs.02:02
bjorkintoshgaa! the dependencies remain unresolved02:05
mkoehlerbjorkintosh: what dependencies?02:06
bjorkintoshThe following packages have unmet dependencies:  freeglut3-dev: Depends: xlibmesa-glu-dev or02:07
mkoehlerdid you try installing it?02:07
bjorkintosherr. that's how i got the error message i just pasted02:08
bjorkintoshunless there's a different method from apt-get install freeglut3-dev02:08
mkoehlerwell try installing xlibmesa-gl-dev02:08
mkoehlerit's looking for the wrong package which is the problem02:08
bjorkintoshi did as well.02:08
mkoehlerseems to be a bug in the packaging02:09
bjsnidermkoehler, the nvidia driver does work ont he latest kernels02:09
bjorkintoshThe following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglu1-mesa-dev: Depends: libglu1-mesa (= 7.4-0ubuntu3) but 7.4-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed02:09
mkoehlerbjsnider: really?  I haven't had luck with it yet, but maybe I'll try experimenting again later02:10
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bjsniderit works perfectly well02:10
mkoehlerhmm I don't seem to have your problem02:12
mkoehlerbjorkintosh: try sudo apt-get build-dep freeglut302:12
Polterge|stone thing I do like about this version02:14
Polterge|stthe installer looks improved02:14
Polterge|stas it is upgrading02:14
Polterge|stsome things have a pulldown menu with options02:14
Polterge|sta bit more flexible than the old updater02:15
mkoehlerbjorkintosh: any luck?02:16
bjorkintoshno.02:16
bjorkintoshdoes the safe upgrade change the apt sources list at all?02:17
mkoehlerno, the repos don't change02:17
bjorkintoshso i oughta change that then.02:17
bjorkintoshit's looking for nonexistent files.02:17
mkoehleryou're talking about within the same version, not a dist-upgrade, right?02:18
bjorkintoshwell, i just finished the dist upgrade02:18
mkoehlerah, that should have modified /etc/apt/sources.list then02:19
bjorkintoshmaybe i oughta reboot.02:20
andresmhi am being asked " │ A new version of configuration file /etc/default/grub is available, but   │02:23
andresmh │ the version installed currently has been locally02:23
andresmhoops02:23
andresmhsorry for the long copy-paste02:23
andresmhwell, so I am not sure what are the implications of overriding the local one02:23
mkoehlerandresmh: I usually go with the option to replace02:23
mkoehlerwell, you could lose the correct boot options02:23
mkoehleri guess, i'm not positive, but the biggest potential is to lose the other os in a dual-boot setup02:24
andresmhmkoehler, so if i have windows on a separate partition it will erase it?02:24
andresmhah i see02:24
mkoehleryour kernels would be alright02:24
mkoehlerlet me think for one sec02:24
andresmhi actually don't care that much about windows anymore, but what are the advantages of overriding the local modified version?02:24
mkoehlerok, in your case I'd probably just keep your old file02:24
mkoehlerI don't think the format of the grub file has changed at all02:25
mkoehlerand you'd probably lose access to windows if you overwrite it02:25
andresmhok, i'm following your advice then02:25
mkoehlerif you don't overwrite it, you can just run the grub updater and have it add the most recent kernel02:25
mkoehlerkernel(s)02:25
DanaGI usually do "show differences".02:25
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andresmhah02:30
andresmhi actually always have to run grub udater because whenever installing a new kernel, it never adds it to grub02:30
mkoehlerah ok02:30
bjorkintoshsafe upgrade certainly did not work.02:31
bjorkintoshi'm still on jaunty.02:32
mkoehlerI think there was some confusion there02:32
mkoehlersafe-upgrade doesn't do anything to the distribution02:32
mkoehleryou have to do a dist-upgrade for that02:32
Polterge|stok I had errors saying my system might be in an unusable state because apturl didn't install so I went into the terminal and manually created the folder it asked for since it could not create it02:35
Polterge|stand then I used sudo aptitude install apturl02:36
mkoehlerand did that work?02:36
Polterge|stit is removing a bunch of stuff right now but probably going to install apturl02:36
mkoehlerok, good02:36
Polterge|stit looks like it is anyway02:36
DanaGWhat is it removing?02:36
mkoehlerlittle buggy, I don't know why there'd be permissions errors02:36
mkoehlerpermission* errors02:36
DanaGIn my case, I did sudo dpkg --force-depends --purge apturl apturl-common.  then I just went into aptitude, and installed the updated apturl.02:37
mkoehlersounds good to me02:37
Dr_WillisHmm still no laserjet 6l02:42
Polterge|stok this is the error it is giving me...02:43
Polterge|stsaying that it cannot create ./usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk02:43
Polterge|stalthough I know for a fact it should02:44
mkoehlerall I've got is check your permissions on that folder02:45
DanaGNotice the leading dot.02:45
mkoehlertouche02:45
DanaGThat's not supposed to be there.  That's most likely the bug itself.02:45
mkoehlernice catch Dana02:45
DanaGweird... the policykit authorizations control thingy doesn't show devicekit stuff02:45
mkoehlerif you try running it from the shell at /02:46
mkoehlerthen you might be fine02:46
Polterge|sthmm02:46
Polterge|stI might try that02:46
mkoehler(but the bug should still be tagged if someone hasn't posted it already on launchpad)02:46
Polterge|stthat and if this doesn't work I might try the safe upgrade02:47
oldude67has anyone else get this error with updates today?  Replaced by files in installed package apturl-common ...02:47
oldude67dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):02:47
oldude67 error creating directory `./usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk': No such file or directory02:47
mkoehlerthat wouldn't fix your problem02:47
oldude67oops sorry for the spam02:47
DanaGSomething in postinst or postrm seems to be broken.02:47
mkoehlerhaha02:47
Polterge|styeah02:47
mkoehlereveryone seems to be having the same problem02:47
Lars_GHey all.02:47
oldude67ok, then its not just me..lol02:47
Lars_GThree quickies regarding +1 current on a netbook.02:47
mkoehlertry going to the root dir 'cd /' and then run dpkg from there02:47
Polterge|styeah it is happening on my system too02:47
Lars_Ga) Where the fuck is xorg.conf now? o.O can't find it!02:48
Lars_Gb) It's ignoring the go to sleep on ac power settings, is there any cli way I can stop go to sleep for now until I fix it?02:48
cwilluLars_G, there hasn't been one to speak of for a while now02:48
mkoehleruh, should still be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:48
mkoehlerfor the old versions02:48
Polterge|stI will try using the update manager02:48
Lars_Gcwillu: what's used now?02:48
cwilluLars_G, auto-configuration, for the last several releases of ubuntu :p02:48
Polterge|stpossibly a new version of the file could be in repos02:49
Lars_Goh my....02:49
Lars_Gcwillu: So question c) how do I reactivate middle-click-by-tapping-TR-corner on my touchpad is answered with "rewrite the autoconf scripts" ?02:49
cwilluLars_G, re: sleep, there's stuff that's being unbroken in the interaction between gnome-power and Xorg:  one is removing hacks, the other is fixing the stuff that made those hacks necessary.  The side effect is that currently its broken for a lot of people02:49
Lars_Gcwillu: Is autoconf done by xorg, from C code, or provided to xorg from scripts?02:49
cwilluLars_G, xorg.conf files are still respected, but there are other mechanisms which are preferred02:50
Lars_Gcwillu: Ok for B it'll take time and a few xorg builds. thanks02:50
cwillu!info mousetweaks02:50
ubottumousetweaks (source: mousetweaks): mouse accessibility enhancements for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 2.27.91-0ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 362 kB, installed size 3748 kB02:50
Lars_Gcwillu: My question is, how can I learn those mechanisms? I'd like to tweak them, I'm a tweaker. :P02:50
Lars_Gok that's a package02:51
cwilluone sec :)02:51
cwilluLars_G, ^^^ should provide a gui that will configure that in an easy fashion.02:51
Lars_Gsigh the network is very slow right now, I might cancel the update, to install that one, thank you02:51
cwillutrying to remember the relevant files02:52
Polterge|stok tried it from /02:52
Polterge|stto no avail02:52
Polterge|stI wonder if there is a way to force it to install02:53
Lars_Gcwillu: Just give me one or two relevan files, I'll follow the trail, I'm used to doing that02:53
cwilluLars_G, /etc/hal/fdi/policy I believe02:53
Lars_Geh.....02:53
Lars_Gcwillu: wasn't hal being phased out in karmic?02:54
mkoehlerpersonally, I'd just file the bug on launchpad, let the motu guys fix the packaging issue, and then install it =)02:54
Polterge|stwell it means I cannot reboot until then02:54
cwilluLars_G, yes02:54
Polterge|stlol02:54
cwilluLars_G, follow the scent :p02:54
cwilluit'll work in largely the same way02:54
Lars_Gmkoehler: motu? as in mark of the unicorn?02:54
Lars_Gcwillu: ... using the same config files?02:54
cwillumasters of the universe02:54
Lars_Gfor backwards compatibility...02:54
cwilluLars_G, follow the scent02:54
Lars_Gok I'll follow that scent02:55
Lars_Gthanks cwillu02:55
mkoehlerhttps://launchpad.net/~motu02:55
Lars_Ggood, I doubted mark of the unicorn cared about anything other than making piles of money02:55
mkoehlerheh02:55
Lars_GDang I love screen02:56
Lars_Gcwillu: while the xorg-gnome brokerage persists, is there any way I can fondle xorg directly to disable sleep?02:58
Polterge|stwhen I issue "dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb" to the terminal without the quotes .... it says "Unpacking replacement apturl ..." and then it says "Replaced by files in installed package apturl-common ..."02:58
Polterge|stand then after that it gives me that error02:59
Polterge|st"error creating directory `./usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk' : No such file or directory "03:00
Polterge|stdoes this mean it installed it with a replacement archive ?03:01
Polterge|stand possibly the apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb is deprecated ?03:02
Polterge|stalso would it be wise to su to root in the terminal to run "sudo aptitude upgrade"03:03
Polterge|stjust to make sure it installed everything or most things03:03
Polterge|stI will try running the system testing prog03:06
Polterge|stmaybe that can help03:06
Polterge|stit seems like there is only one package that isn't updating03:07
Polterge|stapturl03:07
Polterge|stI guess I could try to use the package installer or file roller03:08
Polterge|stmaybe that might work03:08
bjorkintoshmy box steadfastly refuses to move from jaunty to koala03:12
Polterge|stah03:12
Polterge|stthat package is not an Ubuntu package03:12
Polterge|stit is a Debian package03:12
Polterge|steven though Ubuntu is based upon Debian03:12
Polterge|stit makes the distinction03:12
mkoehlerbjorkintosh: sudo update-manager -d03:14
mkoehlerit doesn't want to move to karmic because it's not released yet, you have to add the -d onto the end of the command03:14
Polterge|stah03:14
Polterge|stit IS that period before the folder name03:14
mkoehlerif you do that, it'll say that there's a new distribution available03:15
Polterge|stsolution ...03:15
Polterge|stextract it to the actual folder03:15
Polterge|stperhaps without the period03:15
Polterge|stI will try that03:15
mkoehleryeah03:15
Polterge|stis there a way to make dpkg do that ?03:15
Polterge|stlike specify a path ?03:15
Polterge|stinstead of installing to that path03:15
Polterge|stthat would be the solution I think03:15
Lars_GPolterge|st: you could extract the package somewhere and copy the files over03:16
Polterge|stthat is what I am going to do03:17
Lars_Gwith "dpkg -x"03:17
Polterge|stI am about to try and copy the folder03:17
Polterge|stbasically I should move that folder to merge it with /usr/lib03:17
Polterge|stthen it will probably be in the right spot03:17
Lars_Gof course, there might be problems if the package has a pre/post install script since it wont be run03:17
Polterge|stthere has to be a way to force it to install03:18
Lars_GAnd be aware that it can depend on different builds of libraries than you have and thus refuse to run03:18
eurythmia_it seems as though the picard package is broken ... I installed it, and tried to run it ... I got this error message: http://www.pastebin.ca/155106003:18
billybigriggerwhat is the line in xorg.conf to enable ctrl-alt-delete?03:21
Logibillybigrigger: http://www.google.com/search?q=what%20is%20the%20line%20in%20xorg.conf%20to%20enable%20ctrl-alt-delete?&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-803:22
billybigriggerLogi: hehe i was googling the wrong words :)03:22
Logiyeah, some times the exact question you'd ask a person works nicely03:23
Pici!dontzap03:23
ubottuTo re-enable the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination that restarts your X server, you can install the "dontzap" package and use the command « sudo dontzap --disable ». The combination Alt+SysRq+K can also be used to obtain a similar effect.03:23
LogiI've some times asked (in other channels), looked at my question, googled it, and found the answer03:23
billybigriggerLogi: i'll start trying that03:23
billybigriggeri've never actually considered it :)03:24
Polterge|stok I am watching my machine intently to see if it is going to do this for me03:24
Polterge|stit looks like it is processing something03:24
Polterge|stI extracted the deb file to my home folder and moved all of the files to that directory03:25
Polterge|stand then I did "sudo tar -xvzf *.gz"03:25
* Logi goes to watch another episode of Torchwood03:25
Polterge|stand then I ran the debian-binary03:25
Polterge|stso far no errors03:25
Polterge|stI will run sudo aptitude update again03:26
Polterge|stand see if that file shows up this time03:26
Polterge|stI may have solved the problem03:26
Polterge|stI will find out03:27
Polterge|stit is not giving me the message it was giving me before03:27
Polterge|stthis time it found an extra update too03:28
Polterge|stprobably a good sign03:28
Polterge|st:D :D :D03:29
Polterge|stit worked!03:29
Polterge|stno errors at all03:29
Polterge|stnow to issue the upgrade command again03:29
Polterge|stand this time it will tell me if there is anything that was left out03:29
Polterge|stthat is the fix03:29
mkoehlergood deal03:29
Polterge|st:D03:29
Polterge|stok so everyone follow my lead on that...03:30
Polterge|stif you have that problem simply create the folder without the period03:30
Lars_GPolterge|st: if you've installed the package by hand by decompressing it, dpkg wont consider it installed, if it's a dependency to some other packages it'll fail03:30
Polterge|stno I mean the updater isn't showing it now03:30
Polterge|stit updated it03:30
Polterge|stvia the updater03:30
Polterge|stbefore it would not do that03:30
Polterge|stit did now though03:30
Polterge|stmeaning it fixed that problem03:30
Lars_Ggreat03:31
Polterge|stit was just an error or bug that was preventing the original package from installing via the updater03:31
Polterge|stand now I got past it03:31
Polterge|stso it installed from the updater now without the error03:31
Polterge|stit is as simple as extracting the files to the home folder and then moving them to the path name /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk03:32
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Polterge|stand then do sudo tar -xvzf *gz03:32
Polterge|stit will decompress the directory structures of the archives there03:32
Polterge|stand then just enter "debian-binary"03:33
Polterge|stand then update as normal03:33
Polterge|stthe secret is that the contained archives have to extract to that folder03:33
Polterge|stonce that happens the debian-binary can check the version of them and verify them03:33
Polterge|stand from that point the updater acknowledges it03:33
Polterge|stand now it is actually telling me that 0 packages need to be installed or updated03:34
Polterge|st:)03:34
Polterge|stwoohoo my first bugfix on Karmic03:35
Polterge|st:P03:35
mkoehlernicely done03:35
Polterge|stthx03:35
Polterge|sthee03:35
Polterge|sthehe03:35
Polterge|stok next step03:37
Polterge|stI must update dvede03:37
Polterge|stlikely from add / remove03:37
Polterge|stnow since I did this in gnome of course I cannot access the run box but when I log out and log back in that will probably be fixed as what is in memory now is no longer on the hard drive and has been updated03:38
Polterge|stsimilar to how when firefox is updated you must close it03:39
Polterge|stand then reopen it to use it03:39
Polterge|stbecause files that were being used get replaced03:39
Polterge|stso here goes03:39
Polterge|stwish me luck03:40
Polterge|stand X came back up03:44
Polterge|st:)03:44
mkoehlernice03:44
Polterge|stand it is logging in ...03:45
Polterge|st"D03:45
Polterge|st:D03:45
Polterge|stnow to change my gdm theme03:45
Polterge|stthe fast user switch applet encountered an error03:46
Polterge|stasked me if I wanted to delete it03:46
Polterge|stfrom the landing rather03:46
Polterge|stbut see this is why I like cairo-dock03:47
Polterge|stjust in case03:47
Polterge|stthe other thing is that I never used to use fast user switcher anyway03:48
Polterge|stit wasn't even on my panel03:48
Polterge|sthence it probably isn't going to hurt anything03:49
Polterge|stmy hard drive light is active though and doing something so it is probablyconfiguring something03:49
Polterge|stsince it is a first run since the upgrade03:49
Polterge|sthmm ok new problems03:52
Polterge|stit did say apturl failed to update even though I no longer have that error03:53
Polterge|stand now nautilus is going into a crash loop03:53
Polterge|stlaunching and crashing03:53
drs305Polterge|st: Is it nautilus or are your panels cycling?03:57
Polterge|stit is nautilus03:58
drs305Opening dozens of instances?03:58
Polterge|stI'm yep03:59
Polterge|stover and over and over and over03:59
Polterge|stin the gnome panel04:00
drs305Ok, can you still open a terminal with that going on?04:00
Polterge|styes04:00
Polterge|stI tried killall nautilus04:00
Polterge|stand tried "04:00
Polterge|stps -A04:00
drs305killall gnome-panel   repeatedly until it stops04:01
drs305Wait, is it nautilus or flashing panels?04:01
drs305Dozens of nautilus icons in the panel or the panels constantly flashing on and off.04:02
Polterge|stnaaa dozens of nautilus icons loading04:02
Polterge|stas if it was trying to load04:02
Polterge|stand it would crash04:02
drs305killall nautilus repeatedly until you get a  none open message.04:02
drs305Execute it once then just arrow up to repeat it.04:03
drs305I usually have to do it 5-8 times.04:03
Polterge|stok did that04:03
drs305Eventually they should stop and slowly disappear.04:03
Polterge|stis there a way to redo the update ?04:03
Polterge|stlike to go through installing and configuring all of the packages again ?04:04
drs305Once you get them closed we can fix it one of two ways.04:04
Polterge|stmaybe this time it will register apturl04:04
Polterge|stwhat is the first way ?04:04
drs305Do you have your Desktop turned off?  (gconf-editor)04:05
Polterge|styes04:05
Polterge|stwell it is set to not allow drawing to desktop04:05
drs305gconf-editor /apps/nautilus/preferences04:05
Polterge|stI was previously using the wallpaper addon in compiz which is why I did that04:05
drs305Enable the desktop:  show_desktop04:05
drs305That is one way to stop if from happening each time a kernel updates.04:05
Polterge|stis it a permanent or temp fix ?04:06
drs305You have to do it with each kernel update until they fix it.04:06
drs305The other is to edit this file (and you can leave the desktop off):04:06
Polterge|stwhich file ?04:07
Polterge|stI did the gconf thing but ...04:07
Polterge|stI don't know how permanent that will be04:08
drs305gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop04:08
drs305Change:  X-GNOME-AutoRestart=true   >>   X-GNOME-AutoRestart=false04:08
drs305Same holds true though. With each kernel update you will have to change the setting.  If you remember, you can make the change BEFORE you reboot to prevent it.04:09
drs305Actually, the Desktop off is permanent, but you have to display your Desktop...04:09
Polterge|stah04:09
Polterge|stbasically go into recovery and go into nano04:09
Polterge|stand possibly change the line before X starts04:10
drs305I have a shortcut that opens the file on my panel. New kernel update, click the shortcut.04:10
drs305It really should get fixed though...04:10
drs305No, you can do it when you update. Install the kernel, then just don't reboot until you have made the change.04:11
Polterge|stah04:11
Polterge|stok04:11
drs305Notes are wonderful things -- so are shortcuts.  ;-)04:11
Polterge|sthehe04:12
Polterge|stok cool now it works04:12
Polterge|stI am checking for new updates again04:13
Polterge|stwill try to fix AptUrl04:13
Polterge|stI think I need to try and re set it up04:13
Polterge|stthe updater messages went away earlier when I used my workaround04:13
Polterge|stit was giving me an error and I managed to get rid of the error04:13
Polterge|stI just need to make Ubuntu acknowledge that it is installed now04:14
drs305There was a link to a workaround on here earlier today and on the ubuntu forums. It was a bug report, and I remember the solution was Post 7 and a Post 8 correction.04:14
drs305It involved purging apturl and then reinstalling. Is that the one you used?04:15
Polterge|stnaaa04:16
Polterge|stI came up with a manual one04:16
Polterge|stI can do that though04:16
Polterge|stwould not be difficult to do04:16
Polterge|stI am trying to get my nvidia driver working now04:17
Polterge|st19004:17
Polterge|stI am wondering if envyNG might be the way to go04:18
Polterge|stsince this one window is not responding04:18
Polterge|stI will try purging apturl btw04:18
Polterge|stand reinstalling it04:18
Polterge|stdrs305 can you get me a link to that fix ?04:24
drs305Polterge|st:  Yeah, hold on.04:24
joejcdoes the new post boot bootloader load after the kernel?04:26
Polterge|stI think I just found it actually04:26
drs305Polterge|st: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/42282504:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422825 in apturl "Upgrading of apturl to 0.4.0ubuntu3 fails" [High,Confirmed]04:27
drs305Post 8 fixes a Post 7 typo. It worked for some but not all.04:27
drs305https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/42282504:28
daurnhi04:30
daurnI'm trying to uppgrade my juanty system to karmic04:30
daurnbut I always seem to get No new release available04:30
mkoehlersudo update-manager -d04:30
drs305daurn: Check out this link http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha304:31
sebsebsebdrs305: that's old04:31
drs305Although it's actually to Alpha 4.04:31
sebsebsebdaurn: alpha4 is  the current one, but  Thursday Alpha 5 is out04:31
drs305http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha404:31
daurntheres nothing different about my update manager when I do that04:31
sebsebsebdaurn: This  Thursday and Alpha 5 gets released04:31
sebsebsebdaurn: you have to change some option so it shows development releases to, or something like that04:32
daurnisn't that what the -d does?04:32
mkoehleryeah, it's supposed to04:32
brassmasterunless you're already at the latest dev release, too04:33
daurnwell thats my problem: it doesn't :P; same story with do-release-upgrade04:33
daurnI think its something to do with my network connection04:33
mkoehlerI upgraded through jaunty to karmic and I used that command04:33
brassmasterdo you not have a connection to the internet?04:33
daurnhow do you think I'm on irc.04:34
mkoehleryeah...04:34
Polterge|stI am going to try and drop to root recorvery console to install my 185 nvidia driver since it was not letting me activate it in Gnome04:35
Polterge|stthat worked earlier04:35
daurnbut the connection my computer is using is very restricted04:35
brassmasterexcuse me. I just figured that with a comment like "I think it might be my network connection" on the topic of not being able to do an upgrade, you might not have thought to check that.04:35
alteregoai smoke a gun04:35
daurnI had to tunnel through 3 ssh connections to get on irc :P04:36
mkoehleruh04:36
alteregoadaurn are you in china?04:36
brassmasterdid you forward irc ports through ssh?04:36
alteregoaor burma?04:36
daurnat uni :P04:36
brassmasteryou will need http to use update servers.04:36
brassmasterwhat?04:36
mkoehlerport 80 / 808004:36
brassmasterin our country, those are some of the most wide open networks.04:36
brassmasterdon't know why http would be blocked on a university campus.04:37
daurnhere you have to use 2 proxies to get out onto the net, they allow http and SOME https only04:37
brassmasterthey would have to be specifically blocking ubuntu sites.04:37
daurnanyway, I was looking for a more manual way to upgrade04:37
Polterge|stok I will try to reboot and maybe this time it will let me activate those drivers04:38
mkoehlerthat'd be called an intranet :-)04:38
Polterge|stif not then I have to uninstall them and try again04:38
daurnotherwise how can I upgrade via an ssh connection?04:38
brassmasteryou need to tunnel http over ssh to a web proxy.04:39
brassmasteralbeit a non-restrictive one.04:39
mkoehlerI've got a better solution for you since you don't seem to have any access to internet04:39
daurnI was more looking for instructions on how to use a SOCKS proxy with do-release-upgrade04:39
mkoehlerif you really really want karmic, backup your files and download the iso http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/189304:40
daurnI'll try and get socks working04:43
mkoehlermmhmmm... have fun04:43
aprilharehaving problems upgrading to karmic04:46
mkoehlerhow so?04:46
aprilhareit has problems connecting to the repos and fails04:47
aprilhareat least it did so last night04:47
mkoehlerare you tunneled through 3 layers of ssh too?04:47
mkoehlerheh, just kidding04:47
aprilhare?04:47
aprilhare:)04:47
aprilhareshould I be? ;)04:47
mkoehlerif you want to have fun like our friend daurn, then sure04:47
mkoehlerdo you have any debug output04:48
aprilharemkoehler: i'll try now and get you some04:48
aprilhareworking now04:49
aprilharenever mind :)04:49
mkoehlerok good deal04:50
aprilharetex4ht and tex4ht-common are no longer supported?04:50
aprilharehmm04:50
aprilharewhatever they were :)04:50
mkoehlerand that's the reason why....04:50
JamesB192document formatting packges? j/k I don't know.04:52
aprilhareoh what fun: "TeX4ht - a system for authoring hypertext with TeX and friends"04:53
mkoehlersounds like a kid's tv show04:54
mkoehlerhaha04:54
Polterge|stdrs305 ok now apt-get locks up04:54
Polterge|stprobably because of my "workaround" earlier04:54
aprilhareopenoffice.org - have the packages changed? its promising to remove lots of em and replace some of them04:54
drs305Polterge|st: I didn't get that problem using the link.04:54
Polterge|stit got rid of the error message and forced it to download but ...04:54
aprilharecause i want OOo when i'm finished04:55
Polterge|stI need to go to that folder and manually remove the files since I extracted them and put them there04:55
drs305aprilhare: Yes they have, although I am battling dependencies for it at the moment.04:55
aprilhareoh dear04:55
aprilharei need OOo and i can't afford to lose04:55
drs305aprilhare: I may have just been me. OO is still working, I just can't update it.04:56
* aprilhare is hesitant04:56
drs305aprilhare: I tried to update and it just wouldn't let me. It didn't break anything. But if you really need it, I don't think there is anything major in the updates.04:57
aprilharei know i needed a fix for an OOo bug under AMD64 - tables disappearing from documents04:57
aprilharelike everything it was upstream04:57
aprilharewhy the hell is it removing supertuxkart?04:58
aprilhare:)04:58
aprilhareand warzone2100 too04:58
aprilhare*canceled* do not trust!05:00
Polterge|stI think I am going to manually have to remove apturl in order to get apt-get to work again05:03
Amaranthaprilhare: try aptitude or the update-manager upgrader05:04
aprilhareAmaranth: that was using the update-manager upgrader05:08
Polterge|stsince trying to use apt-get to remove apturl was locking my system up I will try with aptitude05:16
Polterge|stit seems to work05:16
Polterge|stsudo aptitude clean or sudo apt-get clean locks my system up05:17
Polterge|stI have to skip it for now05:17
alteregoafascinating05:29
Polterge|stI am thinking I will have to completely get rid of that apturl directory manually using midnight commander since I have that installed05:30
Polterge|stI that would be an easy way to do it05:31
Polterge|stin other words I need to clean that off the system manually since the apt-get clean locks up the system05:31
Polterge|stand then I need to run through setting up the packages on the system again05:31
jmlis apturl generally broken or just for me?05:31
Polterge|stfor everyone05:31
jmlthanks.05:32
Polterge|stwell at least it appears to not be getting the apturl crash report on boot now05:33
Polterge|stI stand corrected05:33
Polterge|stI spoke too soon05:34
Polterge|stoh wait05:34
Polterge|stthat is wifi radar05:34
Polterge|stok I need to ask a good question ...05:42
Polterge|stwhen you use "sudo apt-get clean" what does it clean ?05:42
Polterge|stwhich directory or file(s)05:43
jmlPolterge|st, /var/cache/apt/archives/ and others05:46
jml/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ too05:46
jml(I found this out by running 'sudo strace apt-get clean')05:47
Polterge|stok the reason I ask is because I am trying to manually do a sudo apt-get clean because the command is freezing up my computer05:52
Polterge|sttherefore I have to verbosely do it all by hand05:52
Polterge|stwould it be safe to say that deleting all the archives in those folders would do the job ?05:52
DanaGtry aptitude clean?05:53
jmlPolterge|st, I would be reluctant to delete them manually, even though it's probably safe.05:53
jmlPolterge|st, the output of 'sudo strace apt-get clean' would be helpful in debugging why it's causing your computer to freeze05:54
Polterge|stit is more of a matter of have to05:54
* jml gets side-tracked on trying to debug podsleuth.05:54
Polterge|stok let me ask another question jml05:58
Polterge|stdo you have a file named /etc/debian_version05:58
jmlI do.05:59
Polterge|stok just making sure05:59
Polterge|stI did not want to delete anything that shouldn't be deleted05:59
Polterge|stcan you do me a favor and open it up and tell me what it says05:59
jml$ cat /etc/debian_version06:00
jmlsqueeze/sid06:00
Polterge|stok cool06:00
Polterge|stjust making sure06:00
Polterge|stI tried to manually clean it06:03
Polterge|stI will see if this helps06:03
Polterge|stI tried to get rid of all remnants of the other way I installed that archive before06:03
Polterge|sthmm ok now I get a stack trace when I try to use sudo apt-get autoremove06:07
Polterge|stcould anyone look at this and tell me how to fix it perhaps ?06:07
Polterge|stactually it is a traceback06:07
Polterge|stjml can you do me another favor ? look in /usr/bin and tell me if there is a file named pycentral06:09
jmlPolterge|st, there is06:09
jmlPolterge|st, I strongly recommend not deleting random files from your system.06:09
Polterge|stok and what about in /usr/lib/python2.6/ConfigParser.py06:10
Polterge|stdo you have that file also ?06:11
jmlI do.06:11
jmlthat was your last free question, I'm afraid :)06:12
Polterge|stI am just checking to see which files do not belong06:13
Polterge|stearlier I unzipped the apturl into the python2.6 folder and ran the debian_binary file manually06:14
Polterge|stand I think it may have copied some files or settings somewhere06:14
Polterge|stuntil I remove those files or settings I cannot use "sudo apt-get clean"06:15
Polterge|stit will lock up the system06:15
Polterge|stand it cannot configure apt-url until then06:15
jmlPolterge|st, I see.06:16
burneris alt+f2 broken for anyone else?06:17
Polterge|stburner that is from Gnome getting replaced probably06:17
Polterge|sthas to deal with python06:17
burnerhow do i fix it?06:17
Polterge|stpycentral or something06:17
Polterge|sttry logging out and rebooting06:17
burneri've done that a few times06:17
Polterge|stif you just updated that is normal06:17
Polterge|sthmmm06:17
Polterge|stmaybe try this here ....https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/42282506:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422825 in apturl "Upgrading of apturl to 0.4.0ubuntu3 fails" [High,Confirmed]06:18
burneri have no alt+f1, alt+f2... but my ctrl+alt+d works for desktop06:18
burnerwhat's that have to do with keyboard shortcuts?06:20
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Polterge|stwell the keyboard shortcuts may be tied to Gnome06:21
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/39882606:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 398826 in gnome-panel "run application broken when setting background color set to "solid color"" [Low,Triaged]06:21
Polterge|stif they are then it could have to do with python06:21
burnerthanks :)06:23
Polterge|sthttp://pastebin.com/m6a85f21106:23
burnerodd bug to find where the panel needs to have "none" for a background06:23
Polterge|stthat is the problem I am having06:23
burneri'm such a happier gnome user with alt+f2 :)06:23
Polterge|stwould anyone know how to fix that ?06:24
burnergot me on that.. why remove apturl?06:25
Polterge|stbecause I need to reinstall it06:25
Polterge|stand I cannot configure it until I remove it completely06:26
Polterge|stif I do not then sudo apt-get clean locks my system up06:26
DanaGsudo dpkg --force-depends --purge apturl06:29
DanaGthat'll force-remove apturl.06:29
DanaGthen use aptitude to just plain install the new version.06:30
Polterge|stI'm pretty sure it would work if I just can get this removed06:32
Polterge|stit still won't do it06:33
Polterge|stman I have hit a roadblocl06:37
Polterge|stcannot go any further until I can do this06:37
Polterge|stroadblock even06:37
Polterge|sthttp://pastebin.com/m6a85f211 that is what the errors look like06:37
Polterge|stok I think I may have a solution that could work but it will require someone giving me a copy of the two files that are messed up06:57
Polterge|stfrom karmic06:57
Polterge|stsomeone who has apturl installed probably could put a copy of pycentral and ConfigParser.py in a tarball06:57
Polterge|stand then send it to me06:58
Polterge|stin theory these files have a default setup when they are installed and I am guessing that overwriting them with a stock file from Karmic would likely be like having a fresh install06:59
Polterge|stand most likely it would remove the errors06:59
alteregoaatheism is  a non-prophet organisation07:53
cdE|Woozyhaha07:54
cdE|Woozydoes users-admin fail to open the first time you logged in with "couldn't load configuration - an unknown error occurred" for anybody else? it works fine after that, but fails the first time07:55
AnAntwhy do I get this when I run apt-get dist-upgrade:08:50
AnAntThe following packages will be REMOVED: empathy libempathy-gtk25 libempathy2708:50
nhasianAnAnt, it always wants to do that to empathy08:54
nhasianjust reinstall it afterwards and all is well08:54
Gnome64Todays upgrade triggered that when you do apt-get dist-upgrade, just notice that myself after removing my Empathy without notice ;)08:57
Gnome64There is not Gtalk in Empathy after the update :|08:58
Gnome64pretty strange08:59
alteregoaamazing how the Jews, Christians, and Muslims have so much heritage in common, yet it seems they're always killing each other09:01
Gnome64alteregoa: please no. change the subject.09:01
Polterge|stman this is frustrating09:07
Polterge|stI accidentally screwed up earlier and unpacked apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb to /usr/lob/python2.6/dist-packages/AptUrl/gtk and I ran the debian_binary file in there thinking it would be an install script and I did decompress both the data and control files because it was not installing via dpkg via the update manager09:09
Polterge|stanyway then the update manager installed the other AptUrl program apturl-common09:10
Polterge|stbefore it was giving me errors and would not install it until after I did that ... then I started getting these errors : http://pastebin.com/m6a85f21109:10
Polterge|stand I managed to get someone to send me ConfigParser.py and pycentral but it was from another version of Ubuntu so clearly not what I really need09:11
Polterge|stI am wondering if anyone in here who is running karmic who already has apturl installed could send me those two files09:12
AnAntanyone got a problem in upgrading apturl ?09:13
Polterge|styes09:13
Polterge|stand here is the fix09:14
Polterge|sthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/42282509:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422825 in apturl "Upgrading of apturl to 0.4.0ubuntu3 fails" [High,Confirmed]09:14
Polterge|stnumber 809:14
Polterge|sthowever ...09:14
Polterge|stI need to replace my ConfigParser.py and pycentral files09:15
Polterge|stbefore I can do that09:15
Michalxowhat does apturl do?09:15
Polterge|stI need a copy of those files from Karmic09:15
AnAntPolterge|st: why ?09:15
Polterge|stfrom someone who already has it apturl installed09:15
Polterge|stbecause my version are messed up09:15
Polterge|stI managed to get sudo apt-get clean to not freeze my computer up09:16
Polterge|stnow I need to replace those files with native versions from Karmic09:16
Polterge|stonce I do that I might be able to finish uninstalling and purging apturl and follow the instructions on the website09:16
Ian_any word on ati HD 4870 and 2.6.31 yet?09:16
AnAntPolterge|st: probably reinstall python2.6-minimal ?09:17
Polterge|stmaybe so09:17
Polterge|stAnAnt09:17
Polterge|stI have to see if I can remove it first09:17
Polterge|stI might not be able to remove it without native Karmic versions of those two files09:17
AnAntsudo apt-get --reinstall python2.6-minimal09:17
AnAntsudo apt-get install --reinstall python2.6-minimal09:18
Polterge|stI will try that and see if it helps09:19
AnAntsudo apt-get install --reinstall python2.6-minimal python-central09:21
Polterge|sthmmm09:23
Polterge|stit would not let me a moment ago09:24
Polterge|sthopefully that works09:25
Polterge|sthere is the error it is giving me now http://pastebin.com/m1b0903d09:27
Polterge|stthat is what I need to fix09:28
Polterge|stdoes anyone know how to fix that ?09:31
AnAntnope, did you reinstall python2.6-minimal & python-central ?09:33
Polterge|styes09:33
AnAnttry removing apturl & installing it again as in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/42282509:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422825 in apturl "Upgrading of apturl to 0.4.0ubuntu3 fails" [High,Confirmed]09:33
Michalxowell.. only upgrading part is broken.. so what's wrong with older version?09:38
Polterge|stI know that there has to be a file stored somewhere regarding that09:41
Polterge|stsomewhere on the system09:41
Polterge|stit labels apturl-common as not installed and not removed09:42
Polterge|stand it cannot configure it because of saying that " dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script:Exec format error"09:43
Polterge|stand then under that it says "dpkg: error processing apturl (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 209:45
Polterge|stapturl09:45
Polterge|stE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)09:45
Polterge|stthat is the whole message09:45
Polterge|stI am wondering if it is possible that maybe I need to download the apturl-common package from Jaunty's repositories and extract it and run its post install script09:48
Polterge|stmy guess is that maybe I installed apturl the wrong way and didn't fully install it and did so before the previous version was uninstalled09:59
Polterge|stand maybe this is why it is giving me errors now09:59
catweazlePolterge|st: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/422825/comments/810:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422825 in apturl "Upgrading of apturl to 0.4.0ubuntu3 fails" [High,Confirmed]10:01
MichalxoPolterge|st, I have errors too10:03
Michalxonothing to worry about ;)10:03
Michalxobug - resolved by catweazle 's link ;)10:05
Polterge|sthonestly I don't know how to fix this10:11
Polterge|stI think I'm giving up10:11
Polterge|stI've wasted too much time on this10:11
Polterge|stI think I will use the broken filter as Ubuntu suggested and try to find all of the broken packages on my system and remove them and see if it will let me start the updater over10:46
Polterge|stupgrade process rather10:46
Polterge|stthey need a tool for Ubuntu that does that10:47
Polterge|stsomething that ... no matter what10:47
Polterge|steven if the postscript is not there will delete certain files from the environment path folders10:47
Polterge|stin order to clean up the system and repair itself10:47
Polterge|stI am shocked that they don't have that10:48
Michalxoempathy sux :( not very keen on saying that.... gajim still beats it...10:49
alteregoasometime i wonder why something gets changed if it works?10:59
alteregoadon't touch a working program, debug it, but don't add additional bugs, rule #1 of a programmer with knowledge, btu hobby programmers do not obey it10:59
eagles0513875morning11:00
gnomefreakeagles0513875: morning11:00
alteregoathis apturl bug is ludicrous sorry haha, whatever11:00
eagles0513875how goes it gnomefreak11:00
gnomefreakalteregoa: all depends on what they did. if it was upgraded to newer version yes it can get buggy however remember all code for anything has bugs11:00
gnomefreakeagles0513875: whats wrong with apturl?11:01
eagles0513875?11:01
eagles0513875which bug11:02
gnomefreakeagles0513875: asking because of what you stated :)11:02
eagles0513875apturl what is that11:02
eagles0513875if you dont mind me asking11:02
eagles0513875is it links to the repos and or what11:03
gnomefreakeagles0513875: for the most part. it has a few jobs11:04
eagles0513875hehe who broke the urls to the repos :P11:04
gnomefreakok what version of cups do you have?11:04
gnomefreakeagles0513875: not sure let me check11:04
eagles0513875haha11:04
eagles0513875gnomefreak: stupid question which i know ill probably get berated for but can i use kubuntu repos on debian11:05
gnomefreakapturl looks to be mvo's baby11:05
gnomefreakeagles0513875: yes but i wouldnt do that11:05
eagles0513875outa curiosity why not11:06
gnomefreakasking for problems to say the least11:06
Michalxowhat the hell?11:06
MichalxoI suggest that Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex continue using Pidgin by default. I look forward to working with the Empathy and Pidgin developers, if invited, to design solutions to their usability problems.11:06
Michalxohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability11:06
Michalxoempathy is in development for 2 years?11:06
Michalxo(already)11:07
* eagles0513875 goes to download the karmic iso to make another karmic vm11:07
eagles0513875seems like the guest addons screwed up me resolution11:07
gnomefreakMichalxo: please see #ubuntu for questions regaurding that11:07
eagles0513875on vbox :(11:07
gnomefreakMichalxo: we are strictly a Karmic support channel11:08
Michalxognomefreak, I don't see a reason why I should "ask/mention" .. isn't empathy in karmic by default? :-)11:08
gnomefreakMichalxo: hotsure but either way you did not ask about karmic11:09
Michalxowell.. I am using it after all ;)11:09
Michalxoand gathering info about empathy... still not mature enough.. though :(11:09
eagles0513875gnomefreak: may i pm ya11:10
gnomefreakMichalxo: you might try #ubuntu-offtopic since it does not relate to support for Karmic11:10
gnomefreakeagles0513875: yeah11:10
gnomefreakMichalxo: there are ways of finding out. check live cd or check the wiki might help11:10
Michalxognomefreak, ok thanks :)11:11
Michalxognomefreak, I am on karmic already ;) about 1,5-2 months ;) and have here emapthy :) I was just shocked, that they wanted to bring it up in ibex already...11:11
gnomefreaki need to know versions of cups and cupsddk everyone has11:12
dabukalami don't get it. karmic WILL break?11:12
gnomefreakits possibile what you read was wrong or old11:12
gnomefreakdabukalam: of course it will11:12
dabukalamgnomefreak: can you elaborate?11:13
gnomefreakdabukalam: not really all depends on what programs you use and what is wrong with them but since we are still fairly early in devel cycle things will break11:14
dabukalamoh ok. that's what it means11:14
dabukalamyeah things will break...11:14
dabukalambut the whole thing isn't broken ;)11:14
dabukalamanother question11:14
gnomefreakthings will and are broken11:14
gnomefreakdabukalam: depends if the kernel is broken11:15
dabukalamaren't things a bit behind schedule?11:15
gnomefreakthere are still a few bugs in kenel that might be blocking b1 release however i havent been here in a day or 211:15
gnomefreakdabukalam: i did not say that11:15
dabukalamwhat?11:16
gnomefreakdabukalam: i did not say it is behind schedule11:16
dabukalamoh... yeah... i was just asking11:16
dabukalambecause usually it's beta by under 2 months before release11:17
dabukalambut it seems it's still at alpha11:17
Michalxodabukalam, it worths a try liveCD and upgrade it.. you'll see the differences :)11:17
Michalxodabukalam, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule :)11:17
dabukalam:D I won't do that on my every-day laptop11:18
Michalxowell.. I do :D11:18
dabukalamso boot time is EVEN faster than jaunty?11:18
Michalxoi think by 2-5secs.. my laptop always boot slow.. :)11:19
gnomefreakdabukalam: around 18 seconds here11:19
dabukalamyou mean total boot time?!11:19
Michalxowow :) significant improvement :)11:19
dabukalamholy %$£@!11:19
gnomefreakdabukalam: define total boot time11:20
Michalxodabukalam, well.. x-(2 to 5 secs) :) where X is total boot time :D11:20
dabukalami mean BIOS, GRUB (set to 0 secs) , ubuntu, auto-log in, desktop11:20
LucidFoxhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability <-- What is this dark theme? Karmic's new default?11:20
gnomefreakgrub-desktop or to log in dependsing on your set up. i have mine auto most of time11:21
MichalxoLucidFox, it's deafult imo.. dark theme (or try shiki colors)11:21
LucidFox(incidentally, what's the default theme in a fresh Karmic install?)11:21
Michalxoshould be in repos too11:21
dabukalamgnomefreak: you ahve a solid state or just a normal HDD?11:21
MichalxoLucidFox, same old ;)11:21
LucidFoxStill Human?11:21
Michalxoyes11:21
gnomefreakdabukalam: normal11:21
gnomefreakdabukalam: times will not be same as others11:22
Michalxobut still alpha 4 LucidFox :)11:22
dabukalammichalxo: but that will change by 10.0411:22
gnomefreakcan not will11:22
dabukalamgnomefreak: specs?11:22
Michalxowell.. I don;'t use default.. so it's not important for me :)11:22
LucidFoxI upgraded from Jaunty two days ago, now I have sound problems in GNOME. The mixer tray icon starts with sound muted, and it has disappeared in Wine.11:22
LucidFoxAnd YouTube hangs the Flash plugin when trying to play videos.11:23
gnomefreakdabukalam: more htan likely if your system is new than it wont help you but proc=1.3 memory=25611:23
dabukalammichalxo: i will rejoice when the default is slick and sexy, because it means i don't have to slow my boot time down sue to gtk/beryl changes11:23
MichalxoLucidFox, for great themes see http://www.bisigi-project.org/11:23
LucidFoxMichalxo> I'm quite satisfied with New Wave, thanks :)11:24
dabukalamgnomefreak: let me get this straight. you have a boot time of 18 seconds on a 1.3GHz 256MB build?11:24
gnomefreakext4 is most likely the main reason11:24
gnomefreakdabukalam: around 18 secs yes11:24
LucidFoxI had a similar sound problem before with unstable Jaunty, but a fresh install of stable Jaunty fixed it.11:25
dabukalamgnomefreak: okay. well my specs rape yours, so that puts me around 14 seconds :D11:25
* dabukalam tears up with joy11:25
LucidFoxAny ideas?11:25
gnomefreakthats with autologin but as defautl you will see login on the desktop11:25
gnomefreakdabukalam: different for everyone so dont get excited ther is more to it that just proc and memory but those are main 211:26
cdE|WoozyI must be doing something wrong. On my system it takes half a minute just from grub to X starting :o11:26
gnomefreakill be back in a few11:26
elkydabukalam, uh... could you avoid that word please.11:44
dabukalamelky: rape?11:47
elkydabukalam, that one indeed.11:47
dabukalamelky: k, sorry :S11:48
elkydabukalam, thanks for acknowledging it, apology accepted.11:48
gnomefreakwhom ever was looking for default empathy here is this Empathy has replaced Pidgin as the default instant messaging client, introducing the Telepathy framework.11:50
maxbSo, now I've updated to current Karmic, and got the silly little circles in the top left of all my windows..... how do I get the application-specific icons back?11:52
mac_vmaxb: huh?11:53
mac_vhuman theme?11:53
LucidFoxJust started smplayer and tried to play a video11:53
LucidFoxIt hangs, and pulseaudio consumes most CPU time11:54
LucidFoxabout 61%11:54
gnomefreakmac_v: what version of cups do you have?11:54
gnomefreakmac_v: also cupsddk-drivers and supsddk11:55
maxbmac_v: Some time in the last 24 hours or so, the top-left icons of all my gnome windows have been replaced will small circles. I dislike it. Yes, it probably is human-theme package. Is there a setting I can frob on a per-user basis?11:55
gnomefreakmaxb: change the theme and see if it helps11:55
mac_vgnomefreak: cups , cupsddk > 1.4.0-3 ,11:56
mac_vmaxb: that is now how the deafult human theme will behave , there is no setting to change it back11:56
maxbgnomefreak: It does. Is there any way to vary just one element of a theme? I'm happy with the defaults in all respects but this11:56
mac_vmaxb: you can edit the gtkrc file11:57
mac_vto have the icons back11:57
maxbThat will work for me. Sucks for less technical users, though :-(11:57
mac_vgnomefreak: why were you asking about the cups?11:57
mac_vmaxb: pastebin the gtkrc and i'll tell you how11:58
gnomefreakmac_v: and printing works?11:58
mac_vgnomefreak: hehe , no printer ;p11:58
gnomefreakmac_v: just wanted to know11:58
gnomefreak:(11:59
mac_vmaxb: that was a "design decision" because of this bug! > Bug #40542612:01
Oli``Sound. I can't play two pulseaudio things at the same time. When I start the second stream, the last thing heard stutters and fades to silence. Example: banshee and mplayer both using native pulseaudio12:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 405426 in human-gtk-theme "Remove application icons from title bars" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40542612:01
maxbmac_v: Thanks for the link. I am learning to loathe the words "design decision"12:01
mac_vOli``: > Bug #411962 , check out my workaround12:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 411962 in pulseaudio "Pulse audio queues audio and gets locked to the app PID" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41196212:02
LucidFoxHow do I regenerate /etc/pulse?12:02
mac_vmaxb: i know it is a stupid decision too ;) , i'v commented12:03
LucidFoxer, never mind12:03
mac_vOli``: if the workaround works , attach the folders to the bug report12:03
LucidFox*sigh* Looks like I completely broke sound.12:03
Oli``mac_v: cheers12:03
mac_vLucidFox: what the prob?12:04
LucidFoxmac_v> I wrote it several times before12:04
* mac_v doesnt feel like scrolling back ;p12:04
LucidFox<LucidFox> I upgraded from Jaunty two days ago, now I have sound problems in GNOME. The mixer tray icon starts with sound muted, and it has disappeared in Wine.12:05
LucidFox<LucidFox> I had a similar sound problem before with unstable Jaunty, but a fresh install of stable Jaunty fixed it.12:05
LucidFoxAlso, the pulseaudio process eats all my CPU time12:05
mac_vLucidFox: CPU , seems a new issue , i think you need to file a bug for that , if it's not yet reported12:06
LucidFoxWell, now I've deleted /etc/pulse hoping to regenerate the config files from scratch12:06
LucidFoxbut I can't find a way to do it12:07
mac_vLucidFox: hmm! why did you deleted the /etc/pulse? have you tried reinstall via synaptic? that might install the config again12:08
LucidFoxReinstall what?12:08
mac_vpulseaudio12:08
LucidFoxI tried sudo aptitude reinstall pulseaudio and sudo aptitude reinstall libpulse012:08
LucidFoxThe /etc/pulse directory has been created but is still empty12:08
LucidFoxAnd I deleted it because I thought, maybe the issue is with my old config files botching the new PulseAudio or something12:09
mac_vLucidFox: the old config issue usually is due to file in your ~/.pulse , and not /etc12:09
maxbmac_v: I thought I could figure out the gtkrc syntax myself from the package diff,  but the diff is apparently in some theme xml file which I don't understand - can you help? - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31105143/human-theme_0.28.9_0.29ubuntu1.diff.gz12:09
LucidFoxI tried cleaning ~/.pulse too12:09
LucidFoxto no effect12:09
maxb(right at the end)12:09
LucidFoxNow that I've deleted the config files, pulseaudio doesn't start at all12:10
mac_vmaxb: just paste bin the gtkrc file , it is for me easier to instruct you , which line to edit12:10
maxbwhich gtkrc file?12:10
mac_vjust a sec12:10
Oli``mac_v: did you mean for me to attach the ~/.pulse folder (that you deleted)?12:11
mac_vOli``: did removing the ~/.pulse ? solve your problem? if so, attach the folder12:12
mac_vmaxb: /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc12:12
maxbmac_v: the relevant change was not made in that file. It is in the metacity-theme-1.xml fil12:13
maxbe12:13
mac_voh oops! yeah , sorry :)12:13
mac_vmaxb: oh , Ken has just removed the lines ;) , you need to add new lines12:15
LucidFox*sigh* I'm tempted to do a clean install.12:16
LucidFoxAre there candidate CD images for alpha 5 available? I heard something like that12:16
gnomefreakLucidFox: you can get the latest iso from the daily built ones12:17
gnomefreak!daily12:17
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/12:17
LucidFoxOkay, thanks12:17
LucidFoxI'll try a fresh install from those12:17
Oli``mac_v: did work (took a lot of fighting to get pulseaudio to restart) so I'll attach the dir12:18
mac_vhehe ;)12:18
Kanohi, whats the default pw for live mode to login into text mode? i could set one,but is there a default?12:19
mac_vmaxb: report a new bug , dont change the bug title ;p12:24
maxbI seem to remember being complained at last time I reported a new bug complaining about a design decision :-)12:25
gnomefreakalpha 5 is due to be tomorrow12:25
mac_vhehe ,;)12:25
mac_vmaxb: figured out how to revert the icons ? or need help?12:25
maxbYes, what is it with making irritating design decisions late in the cycle?!12:25
mac_v!schedule12:26
ubottuA schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule12:26
maxbmac_v: I decided it looked too complicated for now, and set it aside for this evening12:26
mac_vmaxb: its not , I'v got the lines *if* you want12:26
maxbplease!12:26
mac_vmaxb: then pls pastebin /usr/share/themes/Human/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml12:27
maxbGAAAh12:28
maxb!"^&!"^* paste.ubuntu.com won't let me because it's an XML file12:28
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)12:28
* maxb munges it12:28
mac_vmaxb: hmm the text can be copied and pasted ;)12:29
maxbhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/263717/12:29
maxbI wonder if I could get a patch into pastebinit which automatically prepends "<!-- paste.ubuntu.com is LAME and refuses pastes beginning with <? -->" on any content starting with <? ...... :-)12:29
Dr_Willisproberly could12:30
Dr_Willis:)12:30
Dr_Willisor write your own12:30
AndpheHi there12:31
Andpheafter today's updates, my gnome panel is flickering12:32
Andpheeverything around is moving with it :)12:32
Andpheany idea how can I at least take it down ?12:33
mac_vmaxb: http://pastebin.com/m7acc78ae12:34
mac_vit would have been easier if you had used paste bin :(12:35
maxbAndphe: update again, the problem is already fixed12:35
Andphemaxb: thanks on it (y)12:35
Dr_WillisUpdates to the update. :)12:35
mac_vmaxb: note the change is in the line493-501 onwards, you might12:35
alteregoa!seen megaman12:36
ubottuI have no seen command12:36
maxbmac_v: ok... do I have to put this in /usr/ or is there somewhere I can put it in my homedir?12:36
mac_vmaxb: you might wanna save it , as updates will overwrite it12:36
mac_vmaxb: replace the human theme's file with this12:37
mac_vmaxb: you can create a human clone and use it always from you ~/ , so it wont get overwritten on updates12:44
mac_vname needs to be different12:44
Andphealready stop flickering :)12:47
Michalxo:-O tomorrow alpha 5! :)  btw anyone knows about some info concerning art-drop (work) how is it called?13:33
* Dr_Willis is confiused.. :)13:34
PiciI think Michalxo is asking when the new artwork will drop into Karmic13:36
* Dr_Willis wonders if hes the only oen that dosent really care about 'new' artwork. :)13:37
Dr_Willisi always set my Theme and wallpaper back to what i am used to...13:37
serpNew artwork on the 10th13:41
serphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule13:42
hfzhi!13:44
Dr_Willishowdy13:44
mac_v!schecule > Michalxo:13:45
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about schecule13:45
hfzwhat schedule?13:45
Dr_Willisheh.13:45
mac_v!schedule > Michalxo13:45
ubottuMichalxo, please see my private message13:45
Michalxohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule13:45
Dr_WillisWe dont need no steenking Schedule!13:45
Michalxothis? :)13:45
mac_v;p13:45
hfzwhat's that?13:45
mac_v!schedule > hfz13:46
ubottuhfz, please see my private message13:46
Michalxowell.. I'd liketo see some info about "WHAT IS that art-drop"13:46
gnomefreakjust type and read /t13:46
serpi can't find any either Michalxo13:46
hfzubottu, where's your PM?13:46
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)13:46
mac_vMichalxo: what are you asking specifically ?13:46
hfz!schedule13:47
ubottuA schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule13:47
Dr_WillisI hope the default wallpaper has a cute and cuddly koala bear... :)13:47
hfzhahaha13:47
Michalxoin general... what it means.. .. what we can expect from it and so on..13:47
mac_vhehe , cute :)13:47
Dr_Willisnot some  eyesoar like the last few releases have had.13:47
serpi hope they fix the boot animation13:47
hfzofficial ubuntu koala climb tree ;D13:47
Dr_WillisI always disable the boot animation13:47
Michalxosomething like this? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork13:47
Dr_WillisI did get the grub menu higher res and with a background.13:47
MichalxoI meant this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Artwork13:48
mac_vMichalxo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/13:48
Michalxomac_v, thanks13:48
mac_vbut the wiki has everything mixed up13:48
hfzyeah, thanks mac_v13:48
hfzamigos morten_ilre13:49
Michalxobalanzan theme is pretty neat :) I was using it a while ago ;)13:50
hfzwhere you found the balanzan theme, michalxo?13:50
Michalxohfz, gimme a sec13:51
hfzok master ;D13:51
Michalxofor great themes see http://www.bisigi-project.org/   .. already posted it here few hours before :)13:51
Michalxokarmic repositories coming soon.. ;)13:52
Michalxouse januty for now13:52
hfzthanks for the link ;D13:52
hfzi'm also using jaunty13:52
Dr_WillisHmm.. that exotic theme at that site... is.. well..  never mind. :)13:55
cdE|Woozyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/263781/ <- I'm getting this when I undock my laptop on karmic, does anyone know which package I should file a bug against?13:56
hfzjust bug it at launchpad and you will know the solutions13:58
Dr_WillisYou dont see as many laptops with 'docking stations' any more.13:58
Dr_WillisMy old laptop had one.. it was handy.. worked as  a spare charger also.. but it had issues when i hotpluged it in (this was 4 yrs ago)13:59
Dr_WillisBut given it was a $200 extra.. not worth the  cost.13:59
hfzhmmmm...14:00
BluesKajHiyas all14:19
cdE|Woozymine cost 130$ extra, I'm quite happy with it :)14:19
jussi01Im trying to use the usb creator in kubuntu however the "other" button for slecting the image is greyed out. is it borked for everyone or just me? and is there another option?14:21
Dr_WillisI sold mine to a guy wheni sold my laptop to a nother guy.. THEN reaiuzed on the reciept that the store never charged me for the $200 dock station when i bought it. :)14:21
Dr_Willisnight all.14:22
Michalxogn14:23
* jussi01 sighs...14:30
gnomefreakjussi01: sorry never tried it before14:31
jussi01gnomefreak: I assume you are on gnome?14:31
gnomefreakjussi01: yep14:32
jussi01gnomefreak: could you just open it and see if it works/you can select a .iso image?14:33
gnomefreakjussi01: one minute14:33
ActionParsnipyo yo yo14:36
ActionParsnipsuprisingly quiet in here14:36
Michalxodevs do good job! no bugs :D14:36
gnomefreakjussi01: ok for source disk other is fine on disk to use it is greyed out14:37
jussi01gnomefreak: ok, great14:37
gnomefreakis that what you are seeing?14:37
ActionParsnipMichalxo: yeah ive had no issues since i started on alpha 314:38
Michalxoi had many.. ;P14:38
ActionParsnipMichalxo: i had the apturl thing and the random py on the system thats not linked to anything14:38
gnomefreakActionParsnip: everyone has that14:38
Michalxoyeah apturl was here too :)14:38
Michalxo$ empathy14:39
MichalxoSegmentation fault (core dumped)14:39
ActionParsnipMichalxo: got that fixed quick here :)14:39
gnomefreakMichalxo: that not everyone has :)14:39
Michalxoafter setting priorities to jabber accounts.. empathy does not start anymore...14:39
Michalxo:)14:39
serpmaybe it didn't like your priorities14:39
Michalxohehe 5 is not a nice number.. yeah :) maybe 2,4 or 8.. :)14:40
ActionParsnipMichalxo: tried renaming ~/.empathy (or whatever its called)14:40
Michalxoyeah, same got on my mind now.. but I am just testing empathy...14:40
ActionParsnipMichalxo: opera all the way here14:41
Michalxohmm14:41
Michalxowhere should empathy have it's dir?14:41
Michalxoit's not in ~/14:41
Michalxofound only ~/.gconf/apps/emapthy :-/14:42
nemohilarious14:59
nemoupdate-manager crashes14:59
nemoI think "hm, ubuntu might want to know about that"14:59
mvonemo: in --partial-upgrade mode?14:59
nemoyep14:59
nemomvo: but what amuses me is that you can't report it since not all your packages are updated14:59
nemothat virtually guarantees update-manager crashes won't be reported by the average tester14:59
mvothats what #ubuntu+1 is for ;)15:00
mvobut seriously, we try to keep u-m working, that makes everything easier. a fix is going to be uploaded as we speak15:00
nemocool15:00
Michalxonemo, apturl problem was solved ;)15:00
mvobug #422665 btw15:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422665 in update-manager "Duplicate id in DistUpgrade.ui" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42266515:00
nemoMichalxo: um. wait. what apturl problem?15:01
nemowas that what was crashing it?15:01
* nemo just ran into this15:01
elliotjhugMichalxo, was that the apturl problem with './usr/lib'?15:01
Michalxothere was one.. in updates.. I haven't got this one..15:01
nemooh well. back to seeing if I can get eclipse running - right now the SWT Gtk package crashes Java615:01
MichalxoLaunchpad bug 422825 in apturl "Upgrading of apturl to 0.4.0ubuntu3 fails"15:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422825 in apturl "Upgrading of apturl to 0.4.0ubuntu3 fails" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42282515:02
nemooh. and someone really should update evolution-map to 0.27.91 to match evolution 2.27.9115:02
nemoright now mapi is just broken15:02
nemoI did my own build. works much much better than 0.2615:02
nemofor one thing, no massive memory leaks :)15:02
nemoand it parses e-mail addresses correctly15:02
nemos/evolution-map/evolution-mapi/15:03
nemomvo: hm. apt-get dist-upgrade   doesn't seem to list as many packages15:08
nemoodd15:08
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untitledhello15:13
untitledcan u tell me what version of mpd is in karmic now?15:14
ActionParsnip!info mpd15:14
ubottumpd (source: mpd): Music Player Daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.14.2-3ubuntu3 (karmic), package size 174 kB, installed size 524 kB15:14
untitled!info xmms215:14
ubottuxmms2 (source: xmms2): Client/server based media player system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6DrMattDestruction-3ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 74 kB, installed size 120 kB15:14
untitledok15:14
natewiebe13anyone know how to open .php files in firefox?15:52
serpthey need to be sent through a php processor... which is usually done by a web server before it hits firefox15:53
natewiebe13trying to get wordpress working15:53
serpyou need to set up apache+php+mysql for that i believe15:54
natewiebe13from the looks of the wordpress site, you are supposed to run from the web server.. why is there then a package in the repos?15:56
natewiebe13can you use it locally?15:56
serpcertainly15:56
natewiebe13(id like to test it before i actually go using it)15:56
serpif you set up apache+php+mysql15:56
serpbasically your own webserver/database locally15:57
joaopinto_natewiebe13, because you may want the package on your ubuntu web server ?15:57
joaopinto_natewiebe13, are you using Karmic ?15:57
natewiebe13joaopinto_: gotcha15:57
natewiebe13yaeh15:57
natewiebe13*yeah15:57
Boohbahnatewiebe13: probably best to install wordpress directly from the site instead of with apt, easier to upgrade that way15:58
natewiebe13okay.. id like to try out comicpress.. thats the whole reason15:58
natewiebe13also, what is ibus for?16:00
mlpugif you want to see php in firefox that should not be served by lamp. disable your apache+php and open file you see it ok. if you have apache+php with default settings and the php is served by apache then it must not show php code to users but instead process that in php engine and send resulting markup to users browser16:02
alankilanatewiebe13: generally, apt-cache show <package> to see its description16:02
kklimondawhat's going on with couchdb in karmic? is it supposed to be a panacea for all our problems?16:14
mistyahi there..16:48
mistyaToday I updated "empathy" and Facebook has been replaced!16:50
mistyaNow i have bigbrownchunx-facebookim in the menu16:50
mistyabut he don't work ç_ç16:50
mistyasomebody help me!16:50
solarionis a broken workspace switcher (cannot have more than 2 workspaces; "rows" and "columns" stuck at 0) a known problem?16:55
solarionI don't see any bugs on it16:55
solariondoes the channel not permit non-registered folks to talk?16:56
PiciNo, just no one has answered you.16:57
solarionthe channel said some stuff about "please register your nickname"16:57
* solarion goes back to waiting16:58
natewiebe13anybody know how to install plugins to a local folder in wordpress?17:02
dholbachUbuntu Developer Week in #ubuntu-classroom - NOW! :-)17:03
cdE|Woozysolarion, I don't think so, you should file a bug. I can confirm the problem17:08
nemo!info apturl17:14
ubottuapturl (source: apturl): install packages using the apt protocol - GTK+ frontend. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.0ubuntu3 (karmic), package size 12 kB, installed size 132 kB17:14
nemohm17:14
nemothat's still the mucked up one right?17:14
nemoshould be ubuntu417:14
nemo?17:14
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sebsebsebhi17:30
mac_vmvo: why did you revert the apturl bug back to confirmed? problem still present with the new version?17:32
nemoErrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/apturl_0.4.0ubuntu3_all.deb17:33
nemoE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)17:33
nemois that the new version? :)17:33
mac_vi thought the new version was ....ubuntu417:34
mac_vs/thought/think17:35
mvomac_v: hm? that might be a mistake, give me a sec (sometimes LP acts funny on me)17:36
mac_vhehe , ;) , https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42282517:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422825 in apturl "Upgrading of apturl to 0.4.0ubuntu3 fails" [High,Confirmed]17:37
mistyahi there17:42
mac_v!hi | mistya17:43
ubottumistya: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!17:43
nemohm17:45
* nemo tries comment #717:45
robin0800mac_v: See point 8 for the workaround17:45
nemoer17:45
nemo#8. yeah :)17:45
nemothe non-typoed one17:45
mac_vrobin0800: ;) already did that , but was wondering about the status change :)17:46
mac_vthanks17:46
nemodoes ubufox work in 3.5?17:46
sebsebsebnemo: yes if the add on has been updated for 3.517:46
robin0800nemo: just add it back in i.e. reinstall17:48
nemo!MESSAGE Missing required bundle org.eclipse.wst.common.environment_[1.0.100,1.1.0).17:53
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)17:53
nemoheh17:53
mistyahttp://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5830/schermatazmn.png what is this?17:53
Michalxomistya, email?17:53
MichalxoI assume it's emapthy - facebook17:54
mistyaNo, it's facebook for empathy (I think). But I do not work.17:55
Michalxoso I was correct.. add there your login informations.. email or username | password ;)17:56
Michalxowhere can I find empathy forlder in ~/ ??17:57
MichalxoI can't find it at all17:57
robin0800someone like to reproduce/comment on Bug #42198217:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 421982 in nautilus "Changeing Icon on USB device" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42198217:57
mistyano, Michalxo..with my exact data is not working.17:58
Michalxowell.. try forums.. I don't know sorry17:58
mistyaMichalxo, thank's a lot :=)17:59
Michalxomanaged to start it?! :)17:59
MichalxoI can't start emapthy at all.. so I really can't help... btw there is a chance that facebook "plugin" is not working yet.. dunno18:00
Michalxooh my... empathy is in ~/.gnome/Empathy  bug E18:01
Michalxoas the only dir in whole world.. Empathy starts with CAPITAL E :D18:01
DanaGgrr, nm-connection-editor doesn't let me enable automatic ipv6.18:02
Michalxomistya, http://philliptweedie.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/facebook-chat-with-empathy-in-ubuntu/18:10
mistyaMichalxo Non funzia18:13
Michalxoread all comments18:13
mistyaah, ok18:14
mistyaMichalxo, no, non ho capio xD18:16
Michalxowell.. sorry I don';t know more18:16
mistya:D18:17
skyjumperanyone able to connect to a cisco vpn with networkmanager?18:24
skyjumperi'm getting http://nuklear.org/vpn_error18:24
SwedeMikeI do it via vpnc directly instead.18:24
nemowow18:25
nemomicrosoft gets 2¼ billion in no-bid federal US gov't contracts every year18:25
nemoI had no idea it was that much18:25
skyjumpervpnc gives me another cryptic error18:26
nemooh. wait. that was just this year18:28
nemoI wonder what last year was18:28
nemoalmost 2½18:28
nemoalthough it actually got 3¼18:29
nemo6% of their revenue. not bad.18:29
guntbert!ot | nemo18:30
ubottunemo: #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu.  Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support.  Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.18:30
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Michalxoevince bug? impossible to read text in evince18:32
David-Tanyone running karmic tell me what mode ls -l /dev/shm shows? things seem to assume 1777, but without hacking /etc/init.d I end up with 75518:32
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cdE|Woozydrwxrwxrwt 2 root root 180 2009-09-02 19:32 /dev/shm18:33
hggdhMichalxo, evince is working fine here...18:37
Michalxohm18:38
David-TMichalxo: oops, thanks, but i meant ls -ld /dev/shm18:39
David-TcdE|Woozy: yeah, that's what i expected... no idea why mine isn't that18:39
David-Tactually, no, that's a lie, I've no idea _how_ yours _is_ 1777, i just expected it should be18:40
nemoDavid-T: by any chance were you running ext4 in jaunty?18:40
Michalxodrwxrwxrwt 2 root root 140 2009-09-02 19:39 /dev/shm David-T18:40
nemoyeah. same here18:40
David-Tnemo: just ext318:41
alankilamountdevsubfs.sh:domount tmpfs shmfs /dev/shm tmpfs -onosuid,nodev$SHM_OPT18:43
alankilaI goess that's supposed to set the thing up18:43
David-Tbut /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh is clearly running domount tmpfs shmfs /dev/shm tmpfs -onosuid,nodev$SHM_OPT where '$SHM_OPT' can only be 'size=...'18:43
David-Tyeah18:43
David-TI've just added 'mode=1777' and it works fine, but I don't see why the default seems to be different for me from everyone else18:43
alankilado you have a /dev/shm entry at /etc/fstab? Is /dev managed by udev?18:44
alankilaor whatever udev's been replaced by, if it's no longer udev18:44
David-Tno entry in /etc/fstab - do you have one? it looks like /lib/init/mount-functions.sh would add a mode=1777 option if there was one there18:48
David-T /dev is devfs and udev is still there i think18:48
David-Trather dev is tmpfs18:48
Kamilionjust pulled today's updates and noticed update-grub was acting strangely and segfaulting while it runs. Anyone else seen this behavior yet?18:49
KamilionMore specifically, when grub-mkconfig is being called, it's segfaulting between the item title and kernel command line.18:50
raymondjtothhi how i install on ubuntu 9.10 my logitech racing wheel io have18:50
raymondjtothwhat i do18:50
raymondjtothwhat i do to install on ubuntu 9.10 my logitech racing wheel i have18:51
raymondjtoth?18:51
Kamilionraymondjtoth: modprobe joydev18:51
raymondjtothkamilion how i install that18:51
raymondjtothnever did it in ubuntu 9.1018:51
Kamiliondunno, found it in the first howto google gave me back for installing a racing wheel in linux.18:52
raymondjtothok18:52
Michalxoraymondjtoth, what wheel?18:52
dcostahello18:52
raymondjtothhold on let me get mine18:52
dcostaim using karmic kuala but i have a issue whit my touchpad18:53
Kamilionraymondjtoth: and 'apt-get install jscalibrator' should give you a gui for calibrating it.18:53
MichalxoI have g25.. raymondjtoth managed to get it work bu FBB still suxs :(18:53
raymondjtothi got a wingman formula fource gp fource feedback18:53
dcostawhen i press double click whit finger dont works18:53
dcostaany solution ?18:53
raymondjtothminchalxo what i do to get it working in my ubuntu 9.1018:54
dcostai have last update18:54
raymondjtothwhat recamend18:54
Picidcosta: There should be an option to enable it in System>Preferences>Mouse18:54
Michalxoraymondjtoth, waht wheel?18:54
dcostaok i will check it18:54
raymondjtoth wingman formula fource gp fource feedback michalxo18:54
Michalxohm... gimme a sec18:54
raymondjtothmichalxo  wingman formula fource gp fource feedback18:54
raymondjtothi have ubuntu 9.1018:54
raymondjtothok18:54
dcostayes fixed :P18:56
dcostaone more18:56
Michalxoraymondjtoth, well.. this wheel is not that good supported as others.. bu you should take a look at vdrift forums..18:56
Michalxofor instance here raymondjtoth http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=671118:56
Michalxothere is the "main linux wheel community" :-/18:57
raymondjtothmichalxo what i do to get this working only one i got18:57
Michalxoraymondjtoth, read that forum ;)18:58
raymondjtothok18:58
Michalxoraymondjtoth, Yes it works, It feels much better with ff_invert=1 (I have Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP). blabala.. just read the forum and use google search for vdrift <your_wheel> linux support ;)18:58
DanaGhmm, what can I do with a Sidewinder Force Feedback Wheel?18:58
DanaGDo any games support that one?18:58
raymondjtothmichalox how i get it installed18:59
raymondjtothall i need is installar how to18:59
MichalxoDanaG, ffb is very bleh in linux... but progress has been made and it making :)18:59
Michalxoraymondjtoth, FORUM18:59
raymondjtothi reading it dint tell how to install it18:59
Michalxoall info there, I don;t know18:59
Michalxoit will... great attitude to linux-user lol19:00
raymondjtothmichalxo what i need19:00
raymondjtothim a disability person im better at doing than reading19:00
Michalxome too ;)19:01
raymondjtothmichalxo tell me i need gforce19:01
KamilionWith the new grub 1.97~beta1~1ubuntu1, when grub-mkconfig is being called, it's segfaulting between the item title and kernel command line and the output grub.cfg looks incomplete. Anyone have a couple minutes to help me track down the cause?19:03
Michalxoraymondjtoth, go play to windows.. like I do.. :D   btw you will not get G force through wheel ;)19:03
raymondjtothmichalxo ho-w i get gforce19:03
raymondjtothjust want wheel working g-fource i dont car about19:04
DanaGhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/libff/19:04
DanaGNot packaged.19:04
Michalxois it so hard to you to read forum raymondjtoth ? :-?19:05
raymondjtothyes19:05
raymondjtothbut how i installvdrift19:06
raymondjtothtell me i need vdrift19:06
MichalxoI never tried vdrift so sorry19:07
BluesKaj!vdrift19:07
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about vdrift19:07
MichalxoI only play LFS... but definately not under linux :( though it works but not good :(19:07
BluesKaj!info vdrift19:07
ubottuPackage vdrift does not exist in karmic19:07
raymondjtothmichalxo how i use back port of  vDrift19:08
Michalxono idea19:08
raymondjtoth!info backport  vDrift19:08
raymondjtoth! vDrift19:08
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about vDrift19:08
raymondjtoth!vDrift19:08
raymondjtoth!info  vDrift19:08
ubottuError: I tried to send you an empty message.19:08
raymondjtoth!info vdrift19:08
ubottuPackage vdrift does not exist in karmic19:08
Michalxoraymondjtoth, the best you can do.. register on vdrift forums and ask there ;)19:09
PiciThere are no backports to Karmic yet19:10
Michalxothere are 2 years old threads.. so I'd say.. ask them there ;)19:10
Kamilionokay, monkeyed a bit, found out it's grub-probe segfaulting19:10
shadeslayeris it possible to mount a blackberry storm via bluetooth?19:10
Michalxoraymondjtoth, /join #vdrift19:10
Kamilion+ /usr/sbin/grub-probe --device /dev/mapper/BigBlock-KarmicRoot --target=abstraction19:10
KamilionSegmentation fault (core dumped)19:10
shadeslayeri cant seem to send a file via the kdebluetooth thing19:10
BluesKaj!libg3d-plugins19:11
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about libg3d-plugins19:11
Pici!msgthebot19:11
ubottuPlease investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots.  Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid".19:11
BluesKaj!libG3D19:12
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about libG3D19:12
solarioncdE|Woozy: will do, thanks19:17
DanaGweird behavior:19:43
DanaG root@EliteBook:~# asdgasdva19:44
DanaG root@EliteBook:~#19:44
DanaGNote that a nonexistant command is silently exiting.19:44
cdE|WoozyDanaG, an update to command-not-found fixed that19:45
cdE|Woozyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/0.2.38ubuntu1/+changelog19:45
DanaGwow, bash no longer prints "command not found"?  argh, that's silly!19:48
kklimondaweird, was it a design decision on bash developers' side?19:48
David-Tno, ubuntu traps the command not found so it can 'suggest' what you've typoed or what package you're missing19:52
David-Ttry 'sl' or 'firfox'19:53
TwigaathyDavid-T: hm, try "furfox". It doesn't return anything!19:55
David-Tyeah, i know, it's broken but has been fixed...19:59
Twigaathyoh :o19:59
Twigaathyah, yes. I should have read upchannel :)19:59
MichalxoDanaG, it does for me :)20:09
Michalxoroot@calypso:/home/michalxo# asdgasdva20:09
Michalxoasdgasdva: command not found20:09
DanaGthat's command-not-found doing that.20:09
Pici[bnrubin@nullcortex:~]$ grah \ zsh: correct 'grah' to 'rsh' [nyae]? n \ zsh: command not found: grah20:10
Michalxoprobably :)20:10
Pici:)20:10
eurythmia_where is the syslog configuration file kept?20:12
David-TMichalxo: try hitting ^C really quickly after typing that... you'll get a python exception20:15
MichalxoTraceback (most recent call last):20:16
Michalxo  File "/usr/lib/command-not-found", line 8, in <module>20:16
Michalxo...? :)20:16
* rzr just installed karmic20:21
sparrcan pulseaudio be removed?20:21
SKBno pa here :P20:22
SKBbut it is not recommended20:22
SKBsound settings are gone for example20:23
shadeslayerrzr: welcome!!!20:27
shadeslayerSKB: well,i have phonon......20:27
shadeslayer!oss20:28
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about oss20:28
SKBi use audacity to tweak minimal sound card settings 0o20:28
SKBhow odd is that20:28
shadeslayerSKB: very20:28
shadeslayerodd20:28
SKBand it works :D20:29
shadeslayer:o20:29
shadeslayerSKB: have you seen the !sound factoid btw?20:29
SKBno20:29
shadeslayer!sound | SKB20:30
ubottuSKB: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP320:30
SKBsound is working all right :P20:30
SKBeven better than with PA20:31
SKBin my opinian20:31
SKBopinion20:31
shadeslayerSKB: doesnt PA manage sound?20:31
SKBalsa does now20:31
shadeslayerSKB: then why does gnome have pa ?20:31
* shadeslayer has KDE and thus has no idea how this works20:32
SKBit is better at sound card usage somehow ( i do not see the difference between waving PA and not having it)20:32
shadeslayerhmm20:33
shadeslayerafk20:33
BluesKaj!pulseaudio20:34
ubottuPulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions20:34
sparrSKB: I would rather have sound work than have the worthless sound settings dialog20:47
SKBmy sound works flawless (except settings, but i do not change them anyway)20:48
eurythmia_I've got apache2 set up from the repos, and I have a virtual host file pasted here: http://www.pastebin.ca/1551861  ... the problem that I'm having is that I keep getting 403 errors for my virtual host(s) ... any help would be appreciated.20:48
sparrSKB: there are some pulse-vs-alsa issues with my sound card right now that make it not work20:51
sparrthe audio socket closes and reopens a few times a second, most of the time.20:51
SKBoh20:51
sparrwicked stuttering :(20:51
sparron another note...20:52
sparri need someone to confirm a bug in dash (bash?  whatever the default shell is these days)20:52
sparrmkdir foo\ bar; mkdir foo\ bar/baz20:53
sparrcd foo[PRESS TAB TWICE]20:53
crdlbsparr: the interactive shell is always bash20:53
sparrI see the shell refusing to autocomplete anything below a directory name with a space in it20:53
eurythmia_sparr: I can confim that baz will not autocomplete.20:55
sparrthank you20:55
sparrit should, right?20:56
crdlbthat's the bash-completion package, btw20:56
eurythmia_sparr: I don't see why it shouldn't.20:57
drs305sparr: It changed to "/foo bar/baz" for me.20:57
sparrcrdlb: some related bugs happen with bash without bash-completion20:57
eurythmia_sparr: I would think that the expected behaviour is for it to complete.20:57
sparrim going to uninstall the latter20:57
drs305cd /20:57
sparrproblem persists without bash-completion20:58
sparrin a new shell, of course :)20:58
eurythmia_sparr: but one would expect it to persist without bash-completion. With bash-completion, however, if the problem persists, it is a bug.20:59
sparrbash-completion is for per-application completion right?21:00
sparrbash has "dumb" autocomplete by itself21:00
crdlbright21:00
sparrso the bug here is in bash21:00
eurythmia_sparr: I'm actually not sure how bash-completion works.21:03
eurythmia_sparr: it is entirely possible that it is one bug with multiple occurrences.21:03
harn1logout/shutdown/reboot buttons are not working. after a logout, the xserver is not restarting, am presently using command line for reboots. how can i correct this?21:10
eurythmia_I've got some pretty weird permissions stuff going on. something seems to think there's no permissions data in my web root ... here's the output of ls -laZ: http://www.pastebin.ca/155189821:13
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asfjaskfjwhat exactly was in 2.6.31-9 kernel21:36
asfjaskfji thought rc8 was gonna be the last21:36
mphilllinus's rc releases have little to do with ubuntu naming convention21:38
hggdhand you can look up the changelog to get the gritty details21:40
StateSHiya, I'm running Kubuntu 9.10alpha4 i386, I believe that there is a bug in the screen edges configuration, what happens is that the entire left hand side of the screen doesn't activate any kind of action whatsoever, but the edges on the right hand side work just fine, also the middle top edge doesn't work, but middle bottom edge does...21:42
StateSis this a known bug?21:42
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ActionParsnipwhat is the "100 papercuts" thing about please?22:07
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keithhas anyone else run across bug 383461? "gconf-sanity-check-2 exits with code 256 on Xorg start"22:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 383461 in gconf "gconf-sanity-check-2 exits with code 256 on Xorg start" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38346122:15
keithBecause I thought it was supposed to be fixed, but an update after alpha 4 is causing it for me.22:16
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eurythmia_what obscure key combination do I need to press to get grub to show me a menu?22:28
skyjumperESC22:28
eurythmia_skyjumper: nope. doesn't do it.22:28
keithshift22:28
eurythmia_keith: nope, doesn't do it.22:28
keithyou have to hold it down22:28
eurythmia_keith: okay, I'll try that. I'll be back soon if it doesn't work.22:29
skyjumpermaybe enable the menu in menu.lst22:29
skyjumperadd a delay22:29
keitheurythmia_, It's annoy22:29
eurythmia_skyjumper: have you read anything about the new grub?22:29
skyjumperno22:29
eurythmia_keith: you're telling me.22:29
eurythmia_skyjumper: then be quiet and do it.22:29
keitheurythmia_, it's not grub2, it's them trying to improve boot time22:29
skyjumperyes, sir!22:29
eurythmia_keith: well, grub 2 is what's being used ... the configuration options and such are *all* different than previous versions of ubuntu22:30
keithbug 42025922:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 420259 in grub2 "karmic: grub2: 30_os-prober results in zero delay boot" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42025922:30
keithAnyone know why I am getting a gconf-sanity-check-2 error, or whatever on gdm start?22:32
eurythmia_okay, the shift key worked.22:45
* eurythmia_ is calmer now.22:45
aboSamoorhow can I increase the mic level, the sound is really low, I made alsamixer and sound preferences the highest !22:45
eurythmia_skyjumper: sorry, I didn't mean to be short with you.22:46
eurythmia_okay, so now for the real problem ... I have a directory in my homedir that belongs to my group, and my user, but unless I use sudo, I can't access them at all ... even ls -l doesn't work without sudo. Ideas?22:47
guntberteurythmia_: please paste the output of ls -d <that dir> (thats only one line of output)22:49
cdE|Woozyls -ld22:49
cdE|Woozyeurythmia_, the directory is probably missing +x22:50
guntbertcdE|Woozy: thx22:50
guntberteurythmia_: ls -ld <that dir>22:51
aboSamoorcan anyone help me ? My external mic was working fine yesterday, now it is recording but it is too low that you barely you can hear, I increased the mic level in alsamixer and the sound preferences but still no progress !23:00
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eurythmia_would somebody like to test something for me? I think chmod 644 <dir> -R  causes permission corruption23:30
eurythmia_so: mkdir foo;mkdir foo/bar;touch foo/test1;touch foo/bar/test2; ls -l foo;chmod 644 foo -R;ls -l foo23:32
hggdhyou mean chmod -R foo, right?23:41
sparreurythmia_: elaborate on corruption?23:42
sparreurythmia_: you are removing +x from foo, which is going to have negative effects on trying to look inside23:43
hggdhooooh this is ugly23:43
hggdheurythmia_, why would you want to take out the eXecute from a dir?23:44
Tumiehi, it's 3 september here (local time), when alpha 5 is coming?23:45
hggdhsoon...23:45
Tumiehggdh, ok, if it will be released in 12 hours, it wil be there when i wake up :D :P23:46
SpacePigeonhi23:46
SpacePigeondoes karmic bring clutter?23:47
Lintgdebi and update-manager do not work in fresh Koala system. WTF?23:48
SpacePigeonwell, consider that it is still on alpha / beta23:49
alteregoaheh how can i change sambastic shares are used and made by my username instead of nobody?23:54

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