[00:05] <tormod> what should a Ubuntu version of a native Debian version 1.2.3 be? 1.2.3ubuntu1 or 1.2.3-0ubuntu1?
[00:05] <Laney> - means its non native
[00:08] <tormod> from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-May/025471.html I understand 1.2.3ubuntu1 is fine.
[00:09] <Laney> yes sir
[00:09] <tormod> Laney, ok makes sense
[00:10] <Adri2000> (nvm, the u-d-t bug if fixed in 0.78 actually)
[00:28] <lamalex> can anyone help me with quilt? do I work out of the debian/ dir or out of the top level
[00:29] <pochu> out of debian/
[00:29] <pochu> so in debian/..
[00:29] <pochu> the basics are
[00:29] <pochu> quilt push
[00:29] <pochu> to push a patch
[00:29] <pochu> quilt pop
[00:29] <lamalex> english is funny that that means the same thing
[00:29] <pochu> to remove it from the stack
[00:29] <pochu> err, to unapply it
[00:29] <pochu> quilt new 01_name_of_patch.patch
[00:29] <pochu> to create a new one
[00:29] <pochu> quilt refresh
[00:30] <lamalex> quilt add from modified source?
[00:30] <pochu> to push the new changes to the current patch
[00:30] <pochu> no
[00:30] <pochu> if you want a new patch you do
[00:30] <pochu> quilt new 01_new_patch
[00:30] <pochu> quilt edit src/a.c
[00:30] <pochu> quilt edit src/b.c
[00:30] <pochu> quilt edit ...
[00:30] <pochu> quilt refresh
[00:30] <lamalex> ahh
[00:30] <pochu> that's it
[00:30] <lamalex> :) thanks
[00:30] <pochu> there's a new quilt shell too, btw
[00:30] <pochu> so you can do
[00:30] <pochu> quilt new 01_new_patch
[00:30] <pochu> quilt shell
[00:31] <pochu> $EDITOR foo
[00:31] <pochu> $EDITOR bar
[00:31] <pochu> ...
[00:31] <pochu> exit
[00:31] <pochu> quilt refresh
[00:31] <pochu> or in case you need to run autotools or something like that
[00:31] <pochu> that's the basics, now I gotta go to sleep!
[00:32] <lamalex> much obliged
[03:03] <zooko> kirkland: please let me know if there's anything I can do to help with the Tahoe-LAFS FFE.
[03:06] <ScottK> kirkland: Speaking of which, what's the story with that?
[05:00] <zooko> ... must sleep.  Feel free to mail zooko@zooko.com .  :-)
[05:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:00] <LucidFox> Gah. This is the second time I update Ubuntu to an unstable version and get a headache instead of sound.
[06:31] <LucidFox> Would it make sense to do a fresh Karmic install at this stage?
[06:34] <ScottK> LucidFox: It would make sense to wait a few hours until we have candidate Alpha 5 images and install one of those for ISO testing.
[06:34] <ScottK> I think #ubuntu-testing is where to get more information.
[06:35] <LucidFox> Thanks.
[06:35]  * LucidFox joins
[06:51] <karimas> hi all
[07:09] <ScottK> iulian: I gather you asked to have libyaml-perl sync'ed.  Now it's depwait due to libtest-cpan-meta-perl being in Universe.  Perhaps you could look into doing  MIR for it?
[07:14] <iulian> ScottK: Added to my todo list.  Thanks.
[07:14] <ScottK> iulian: Thanks for taking care of it.  If you get motivated, libbsd needs a MIR too.
[07:18] <iulian> ScottK: OK, I'll look into it as well.
[07:18] <ScottK> Thanks.
[08:58] <rowinggolfer_> unsure if this is where to ask...
[08:59] <rowinggolfer_> but I am having troubles getting icons to install
[08:59] <rowinggolfer_> I package an app
[08:59] <rowinggolfer_> but the icon doesn't turn up until x is restarted.
[08:59] <rowinggolfer_> I looked at man dh_icons
[08:59] <rowinggolfer_> but am unsure how to implement it.
[09:00] <rowinggolfer_> can anyone give me a clue where else to look.
[09:06] <sluimers> Wish I'd knew, I'm here as I have a packaging problem myself.
[09:07] <sluimers> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7885034#post7885034
[09:23] <rowinggolfer_> sluimers: I'm reading your bug now
[09:33] <rowinggolfer_> sluimers - it's a python app?
[09:33] <rowinggolfer_> try this line in control file
[09:33] <rowinggolfer_> Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends}
[09:52] <iulian> ScottK: libyaml doesn't only depend on libtest-cpan-meta-perl but some other packages which are in Universe: libpod-simple-perl, libperl-minimumversion-perl and libtest-minimumversion-perl.  libtest-pod-perl is in Main.
[09:52] <iulian> ScottK: The reason I added these dependencies is because some tests failed.  That said, libtest-cpan-meta-perl is not the only package that needs to be promoted.
[09:52] <iulian> ScottK: Any advice you'd like to give me regarding this?
[09:53] <therm> hello everybody
[09:53] <therm> could it be that libswt3.4-gtk-java is buggy in karmic?
[09:54] <therm> I think the links are broken
[09:56] <therm> they link to *.v3449.jar but there is only a *.v3449c.jar in the eclipse folder
[09:59] <therm> slytherin: Are you able to fix it in repos?
[10:03] <slytherin> therm: I haven't had time to look at eclipse yet. Ideally eclipse should link against libswt-gtk-3.4-java.
[10:06] <therm> slytherin: ok
[10:07] <therm> slytherin: in this constalation I now have to directly add the eclipse plugin in my classpath...not really nice
[10:11] <therm> slytherin: but will do so... are you planning to link eclipse against libswt-gtk-3.4-java in karmic? And if so, could you inform me? Would be nice
[10:12] <slytherin> therm: I will try my best.
[10:18] <c_korn> is the script available somewhere which marks the bugs as fix released according to the (LP: #xxxxxxx) entries in debian/changelog ?
[10:23] <kaushal> hi
[10:24] <kaushal> when is evolution 2.27.x will be available in Ubuntu
[10:24] <kaushal> ?
[10:24] <thekorn> c_korn, I know of a script using python-launchpad-bugs, not sure if it still working, let me find it
[10:25] <thekorn> c_korn, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/python-launchpad-bugs/Examples   first one
[10:25] <thekorn> should be a diff of a few lines to get it working using launchpadlib
[10:26] <c_korn> thekorn: thank you
[10:26] <kaushal> http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/download.shtml
[10:28] <jussi01> dholbach: ping
[10:33] <kaushal> checking in again for my query ?
[10:35] <geser> kaushal: evolution 2.27.91 is current in karmic (the next Ubuntu version)
[10:36] <slytherin> c_korn: I think you should ask on #launchpad. I believe the functionality is of the Soyuz (the build module of launchpad)
[10:36] <c_korn> slytherin: ok
[10:53] <c_korn> btw: what is the syntax is more than one bug have to be closed: (LP #xxxxxxx,#xxxxxxx) or space seperated ?
[11:00] <sluimers> rowinggolfer_, it's an RPGmaker, much like pygame
[11:00] <sluimers> An old and almost abandoned one, but I hope to bring a bit new life into.
[11:01] <sluimers> into it
[11:01] <sluimers> At least make it available for Ubuntu
[11:01] <sluimers> instead of just Windows
[11:02] <sluimers> no differnence there
[11:02] <sluimers> I mean, I tried your suggestion, no difference
[11:04] <rowinggolfer_> sluimers :(
[11:06] <qiyong> anyone knows the story of casper?
[11:26] <andv> c_korn, I've updated the bug
[11:26] <andv> c_korn, the package seems to FTBFS on Debian again
[11:26] <andv> c_korn, I've added you logs et all
[11:28] <c_korn> huh, I was able to compile it successfully in karmic
[11:29] <andv> c_korn, yeah, don't know why it failed on debian
[11:29] <andv> c_korn, saw a failed tag, so I pinged you
[11:30] <andv> c_korn, maybe there is a different buildd setup, and it failed somewhere cause of that
[11:30] <andv> didnt check
[11:31] <c_korn> yes, thanks. I ping the debian maintainer
[11:32] <andv> c_korn, feel free to update the bug as soon as you have news
[11:32] <c_korn> ok
[11:32] <andv> I'll receive bug mails so I gonna process it as soon as it is fixed on Debian
[11:32] <andv> ;)
[11:34] <c_korn> this time I wait until the build also succeeds in debian
[11:35] <andv> c_korn, yeah, should be better, so we avoid updating the bug again and again
[11:35] <Kano> hi, do you know that sid has sun-java6 u 16 already
[11:35] <c_korn> :)
[11:36] <RainCT> wow apturl is spamming my mailbox
[11:36] <andv> Kano, we have 16 already too
[11:36] <andv> Kano, on jaunty
[11:37] <Kano> checked karmic
[11:37] <andv> Kano, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6
[11:37] <andv> Kano, it's not yet on karmic, but will be at some point I guess
[11:37] <Kano> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sun-java6&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[11:37] <andv> you should ask jdstrand about that
[11:37] <Kano> jaunty updates is on 14
[11:37] <ScottK> iulian: I'd ask pitti if a MIR is needed for all of them.
[11:38] <Kano> well i just want that benchmarks run with the same java
[11:38] <Kano> my distro has 6u16 and u has something older
[11:38] <andv> Kano,     6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04   	 proposed (multiverse)  	 five days ago
[11:38] <andv> Kano, it's not 14
[11:38] <Kano> andv: well click on the link i showed you
[11:39] <andv> Kano, you should check LP for latest updates
[11:39] <andv> Kano, packages page takes some time to update properly
[11:39] <geser> I assume karmic will stay at 6u15 as we are now in FeatureFreeze (no new upstream versions) and 6u16 doesn't seem to have any really important fixes
[11:39] <Kano> thats stupid
[11:40] <geser> feel free to get an FF exception for it
[11:40] <andv> Kano, I see not a lot of things done on 16
[11:40] <Kano> i only use live images for benchmarking
[11:41] <andv> Bug Fixes
[11:41] <andv> This feature release does not contain any new fixes for security vulnerabilities to its previous release, Java SE 6 Update 15. Users who have Java SE 6 Update 15 have the latest security fixes and do not need to upgrade to this release to be current on security fixes.
[11:41] <Kano> i usually never install u, therefore i would like when this would be the default
[11:41] <Kano> well security, but i prefer to run pts to compare benchmarks
[11:41] <andv> Kano, taken from sun website
[11:41] <Kano> i did not say something about security, did i
[11:41] <andv> Kano, and the only bug fixed is: JDWP threadid changes during debugging session (leading to ignored breakpoints)
[11:42] <Kano> well, it is not hard to upload latest
[11:42] <andv> Kano, as geser told you feel free to ask an FFE for it
[11:42] <andv> Kano, we are in feature freeze now
[11:42] <Kano> it was out before
[11:42] <geser> btw: bug #420426
[11:42] <Kano> you needed too long time then
[11:43] <andv> will be done for karmic as well then
[11:43] <andv> and as I said jdstrand will take care of it
[11:44] <Kano> good
[11:44] <andv> ;)
[11:45] <Kano> btw. whats the default pass now to login into the text consoles? before there was no pw
[11:45] <Kano> in live mode
[11:50] <c_korn> andv: I got an answer from the debian maintainer: http://pastebin.com/d7d379d98
[11:51] <andv> c_korn, don't know if it's safe to sync something that failed on debian
[11:51] <andv> ScottK, what do you think?
[11:51] <andv> ScottK, scilab FTBFS on debian cause jvm, but builds fine on karmic
[11:51] <andv> ScottK, should we allow to sync it?
[11:53] <andv> c_korn, going out for lunc, let's wait ScottK's response about this
[11:54] <andv> c_korn, and if he agrees, it's ok for me
[11:54] <andv> * lunch
[11:54] <iulian> ScottK: OK, thanks.
[11:55] <c_korn> ok, bon appetit :)
[11:59] <gnomefreak> was cupsddk-drivers replaced by cupsddk?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> update wants to remove cupsddk-drivers but not sure if it was changed to cupsddk
[12:31] <kaushal> hi
[12:31] <kaushal> evolution-mapi-dbg isnt there in ubuntu 9.04 ?
[12:32] <kaushal> I need this since my evolution is crashing
[12:32] <slytherin> kaushal: it is not present in karmic as well.
[12:32] <kaushal> ok
[12:37] <geser> have you tried the -dbgsym package for it (from the ddebs repository)?
[12:37] <slytherin> kaushal: there is a separate debug respository though which might have the package you need.
[12:37] <geser> it contains the debug symbols stripped during build
[12:39] <jussi01> dholbach: ping again? can you pm me when you have the chance?
[12:41] <dholbach> jussi01: pong - didn't see a ping yet
[12:42] <jussi01> dholbach: 12.28 my time, so a while back ;)
[12:43] <dholbach> I was disconnected shortly - maybe around that time
[12:46] <andv> geser, what do you suggest to do with scilab?
[12:46] <andv> geser, it FTBFS on Debian cause jvm, but builds fine on karmic
[12:46] <andv> geser, should we allow to sync it?
[12:47] <slytherin> andv: what is the reason for FTBFS?
[12:47] <andv> slytherin, jvm --> https://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=scilab&ver=5.1.1-8&arch=amd64&file=log
[12:51] <slytherin> andv: surprising, is it only failing on amd64?
[12:51] <andv> slytherin, nope, all archs
[12:52] <andv> slytherin, expect i386 built from the debian maintainer
[12:52] <andv> coz it got built on his own environment
[12:53] <andv> slytherin, all logs available here: https://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=&pkg=scilab
[12:54] <slytherin> andv: If it is building in karmic chroot then sync shouldn't be a problem.
[12:54] <andv> slytherin, yep, ok
[12:55] <slytherin> andv: you could try uploading the package to PPA first to make sure that it builds on i386 and amd64 at least.
[12:55] <andv> c_korn, would you mind sending it to your PPA again?
[12:55] <andv> slytherin, yeah, gonna send it to PPA again
[12:55] <andv> slytherin, to be sure
[12:55] <c_korn> the debian maintainer guesses that it is a random jvm bug and that trying to rebuild would propably fix it
[12:55] <andv> c_korn, he should ask for a give back then
[12:56] <andv> c_korn, anyway please send it to your PPA again
[12:56] <andv> c_korn, and paste the log on the bug report again
[12:56] <c_korn> andv: I already have built it in a ppa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/414410/comments/4
[12:56] <andv> c_korn, please build it again to be really sure
[12:56] <c_korn> again ? what has changes since yesterday ?
[12:57] <andv> c_korn, I guess nothing, but I wanna be really sure it builds, I'm sure you learnt from the past
[12:58] <c_korn> hm, I cannot restart a build which has succeeded. I have to reupload. building will propably take two hours
[12:58] <andv> c_korn, when done, update everything on the bug again (hopefully the last)
[12:59] <andv> c_korn, upload with different versioning
[12:59] <c_korn> of course
[12:59] <andv> c_korn, e.g scilab_0.x.xx-8~testbuild
[12:59] <andv> or whatever
[13:01] <andv> c_korn, assign the bug to me after the update
[13:01] <c_korn> ok
[13:02] <gnomefreak> is cups ok to update? it wants to remove cupsddk-drivers for cupsddk
[13:04] <gnomefreak> upgrading cups cupsddk it wants to cupsddk-drivers
[13:04] <andv> gnomefreak, I saw some uploads of cups made by pitti on Debian some days ago
[13:05] <andv> gnomefreak, dunno if he updated it on karmic as well
[13:05] <gnomefreak> andv: ok so i shouldnt update them yet?
[13:06] <andv> gnomefreak, the uploads were pushed to experimental if I remember it right
[13:06] <andv> gnomefreak, you should ask him :)
[13:06] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[13:06] <andv> np
[13:09] <jdstrand> andv: it may not be me who takes care of karmic for bug #420426, but it will be an archive admin soon
[13:09] <jdstrand> (my AA day is friday and will do it then if it isn't done already)
[13:10] <jdstrand> oh, actually, that was requested *after* FF
[13:10] <jdstrand> as such, since it isn't security related, it'll need an FFe
[13:15] <andv> jdstrand, aww
[13:15] <andv> jdstrand, I don't know if it will make to get an FFe
[13:16] <sluimers> Hello I have a packaging problem -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1255097
[13:16] <jdstrand> andv: if the features are small enough, it should be easy to justify letting them in
[13:16] <andv> jdstrand, yeah, will you move it to a FFe request yourself?
[13:17] <andv> jdstrand, or you prefer opening a new bug for that and then update the main one
[13:17] <andv> jdstrand, which is the one you linked me before
[13:19] <andv> sluimers, did you give an pbuilder update --basetgz /what/ever/foo
[13:19] <andv> sluimers, before starting your build
[13:20]  * sluimers tries that as he hasn't
[13:20] <jdstrand> andv: I'm confused 'the one I linked before?'
[13:20] <andv> jdstrand, yeah, bug 420426
[13:20] <jdstrand> andv: I'm fine with bug #420426 being the FFe for karmic
[13:20] <andv> jdstrand, will you move that one to a FFe or do you want me to open a new bug just for that
[13:20] <andv> jdstrand, ok
[13:21] <andv> jdstrand, if you won't have time to move it to a FFe, just ping me so I can do it
[13:24] <jdstrand> andv: well, I don't know enough about it to ask for an FFe. Please follow the standard FFe process but use that bug
[13:25] <andv> jdstrand, according to http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/6u16.html, the only bug fix introduced is 'JDWP threadid changes during debugging session (leading to ignored breakpoints'
[13:25] <andv> jdstrand, so if it is a bug fix only release we don't have to ask for an FFe
[13:26] <jdstrand> andv: can you add all that to the bug so it is clear?
[13:26] <jdstrand> andv: feel free to mark it as confirmed-- you may want to ping doko to be doubly sure
[13:26] <andv> jdstrand, yep, gonna add that link, just a second
[13:27] <andv> jdstrand, he's not online, I guess he'll receive a mail if he is subscribed to the bug, if not I gonna subscribe him
[13:27] <andv> to have it confirmed
[13:28]  * jdstrand nods
[13:33] <andv> jdstrand, done
[13:33] <andv> sluimers, fixed?
[13:34] <sluimers> no, learning how to use pbuilder, I actually understand very little of it.
[13:34] <andv> sluimers, did you update your tarball?
[13:35] <sluimers> I don't think I even created one.
[13:36] <andv> sluimers, pbuilder --help will help you on that task
[13:44] <ScottK> andv: Why do we want the newer scilab?
[13:49] <kaushal> hi
[13:49] <kaushal> what package contains libmapi ?
[13:49] <kaushal> is there a way to find out ?
[13:50] <Ampelbein> kaushal: packages.ubuntu.com or apt-file
[13:50] <kaushal> Ampelbein: i did apt-get install libmapi
[13:50] <kaushal> it didnot work
[13:51] <blackxored> hello folks, what's the easiest way to check which version of a package is on the development version -currently karmic-.
[13:51] <blackxored> ???
[13:51] <blackxored> from the command line, to my best
[13:51] <geser> packages.ubuntu.com or launchpad
[13:51] <geser> rmadison
[13:52] <kaushal> libmapi0 ?
[13:53] <Ampelbein> kaushal: yes.
[13:53] <Ampelbein> kaushal: or libmapi-dev if you want the development headers
[13:54] <ahasenack> does anybody know where I can get the bzr branch for a package in main?
[13:54] <maco> so im trying to package something and it has a LICENSING file that says GPLv2+ for everything except $SUBDIR which is LGPL. should i go through and add copyright notices to the top of all the files since the author didnt?
[13:59] <ScottK> maco: If you're packaging it, no.
[13:59] <ScottK> Suggesting it back to upstream for their next release (with a patch even better perhaps) would be good.
[13:59] <maco> ok
[13:59] <ScottK> maco: The absolute requirement is that a full copy of both licenses be included in the tarball.
[14:00] <maco> oh ok
[14:00] <maco> in debian/ counts, right?
[14:01] <maco> ScottK: ?
[14:02] <ScottK> maco: No.  Upstream needs to ship it.  If they don't, you need to repack the tarball.
[14:02] <james_w> debian/ is sort-of ok
[14:02] <maco> ok
[14:02] <ScottK> james_w: That wasn't my understanding.
[14:03]  * maco gets popcorn and watches the devs argue
[14:03] <james_w> ScottK: due to it being a patch and so distributed separately?
[14:03] <ScottK> That and it can't form the basis for our having the right to distribute it since it's not part of what we get from upstream.
[14:03] <james_w> true
[14:04] <james_w> definitely better to have it in the tarball distributed from upstream
[14:04] <ScottK> The repacking is ~OK since it's like a bug fix patch.  You just have to do it to the upstream bits.
[14:04] <maco> in the orig.tar.gz?
[14:07] <kaushal> hi
[14:07] <kaushal> what will be the next version of evolution email client in karmic ?
[14:07] <ScottK> maco: Yes.
[14:08] <ScottK> maco: There's a section in (I think) the Debian New Maintainer's guide on repacking the tarball.
[14:09] <maco> ok
[14:09] <slytherin> kaushal: 2.28
[14:09] <andv> ScottK, I guess c_korn should tell you that
[14:09] <ScottK> OK
[14:10] <andv> I was following the sync request only, don't even use scilab
[14:10] <andv> c_korn, please explain the rationale for having the latest scilab synced to ScottK
[14:11] <slytherin> andv: c_korn: The info should be added to the bug. The package will need FFE.
[14:12] <andv> slytherin, nope, it won't need an FFe
[14:12] <andv> slytherin, it's not a new upstream release
[14:12] <andv> slytherin, just a revision bump
[14:12] <slytherin> ahh, sorry
[14:12] <c_korn> yes, it is no new upstream version
[14:14] <c_korn> actually there were no changes to scilab itself in the new revision.
[14:14] <ScottK> So why do we want it?
[14:14] <ScottK> "Because it's there" isn't sufficient.
[14:17] <c_korn> well, actually the maintainer wanted it to be synced. I just pinged him to ask if a sync is necessary.
[14:17] <kaushal> slytherin: Thanks. Just curious to know how did you find it ?
[14:17] <c_korn> however, the changelog does not contain major fixes: http://pastebin.com/d7af5d21b
[14:19] <c_korn> "no important changes" according to the maintainer
[14:19] <c_korn> so I think it also can be skipped if it causes to much troubles
[14:19] <c_korn> propably not worth the effort
[14:20] <ScottK> c_korn: "The Debian maintainer suggested it" is a decent reason.
[14:21] <ScottK> c_korn: Looking at the debian/changelog, I'd say it's worth doing.
[14:22] <c_korn> fine, scilab is just building in a PPA
[14:26] <andv> ScottK, please unsubscribe ubuntu-archive from here: #423159
[14:26] <andv> ScottK, the guy didnt follow the right procedure for sync requests
[14:26] <ScottK> Bug 423159
[14:27] <ScottK> andv: Done.  BTW, we probably want that one if it looks sane.
[14:28] <andv> ScottK, thanks, yeah, don't worry, gonna follow it
[14:28] <andv> if the guy won't make a proper FFe request I'll take care of having it done
[14:28] <ScottK> Great.
[14:29] <andv> ;)
[14:30] <ScottK> \o/ - sparc finally getting to some of my NBS related builds I uploaded over the weekend.
[15:00] <andv> blackxored, I've answered to the bug
[15:00] <andv> blackxored, as I stated there, it's not a requestsync problem
[15:01] <blackxored> andv, sorry, my bad then
[15:01] <blackxored> should I set it back, or you'll do it yourself
[15:01] <blackxored> ???
[15:01] <andv> blackxored, np, the bug is alwais editable
[15:01] <andv> blackxored, have you ever done an FFe?
[15:02] <andv> blackxored, if not would you mind to check the documentation?
[15:02] <blackxored> andv, probably not
[15:02] <andv> blackxored, if not assign the bug to me and I'll do everything needed later when I gonna get back
[15:02] <andv> blackxored, got it?
[15:03] <blackxored> andv, got it
[15:03] <andv> great
[15:07] <blackxored> andv, your ID???
[15:07] <blackxored> I'm probably interested in becoming a MOTU since I've been working for debian since a time ago
[15:08] <blackxored> andv, nevermind
[15:09] <ScottK> blackxored: Always glad to have new contributors.  Welcome.
[15:09] <andv> blackxored, thanks, will catch it later
[15:10]  * andv off now
[15:10] <blackxored> ScottK, there's no documentation bundle I could take a look at
[15:11] <ScottK> !development
[15:11] <ScottK> blackxored: Start ^^^
[15:11] <blackxored> ScottK, I meant bundle
[15:11] <ScottK> Ah.
[15:11] <blackxored> yes I've taken a look at all that, and MOTU too
[15:11] <ScottK> All our docs are pretty much on the wiki.
[15:12] <blackxored> you know, big zip file, recopilation :D going home and lurking there
[15:12] <blackxored> :D
[15:12] <ScottK> apt-get install ubuntu-policy would be another option.
[15:12] <ScottK> It's not a lot different than debian-policy
[15:13] <slytherin> kaushal: Ubuntu usually ships latest version of Gnome. The next version of gnome is 2.28. Evolution is part of gnoem distribution.
[15:44] <_Fauchi95_> Hello! Can I fix this bug in the same report? It's a other package: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qutim/+bug/346528
[15:47] <dholbach> hi _Fauchi95_
[15:47] <dholbach> _Fauchi95_: what do you want to do there?
[15:47] <dholbach> _Fauchi95_: are you asking if you can attach a patch to the bug report?
[15:48] <_Fauchi95_> dholbach, I want fix the bug in app-install-data-ubuntu (You say this as comment) Can I attach the bugfix to this bugreport or must I open a new bug, because it is an other package
[15:49] <geser> if you fix this bug in qutim, app-install-data-ubuntu will pick it up on the next build (at least I hope so)
[15:49] <dholbach> _Fauchi95_: as far as I know only has automatically generated data
[15:49] <dholbach> _Fauchi95_: so if you fix it in qutim, you'll be fine :)
[15:50] <_Fauchi95_> dholbach, shit! Now I must do this again with qutim
[15:50] <dholbach> if you want, you can ping mvo on IRC and tell him to update the package again, once your fix has landed :)
[15:50] <_Fauchi95_> dholbach, :-)
[15:52] <_Fauchi95_> dholbach, whi mvo?
[15:52] <_Fauchi95_> *why
[15:52] <dholbach> he usually does the app-install-data-ubuntu updates
[15:54] <_Fauchi95_> ok. why I can't find qutime? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qutime
[15:55] <_Fauchi95_> oh, mist, it's qutim
[15:55] <_Fauchi95_> *g*
[15:55] <_Fauchi95_> sorry
[15:56] <_Fauchi95_> I fix the bug, than I attach it to Launchpad, than I subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsor. than I have done my work? or must I set status to fix?
[15:56] <_Fauchi95_> dholbach
[15:57] <dholbach> that sounds good - don't set the status to fixed yourself
[15:57] <dholbach> just use (LP: #517365813758135) in the changelog and you'll be fine
[15:58] <_Fauchi95_> dholbach, ok thanks
[15:58] <dholbach> no worries
[16:30] <bdrung> nhandler, persia, soren, geser, nixternal, jpds: when will be the MC meeting?
[16:33] <nixternal> seems that is still in discussion bdrung
[16:34] <bdrung> ok
[16:36] <RoAkSoAx> i was just going to ask the same thing
[16:37] <geser> bdrung: as soon as you manage to get at least 4 MC members for around 30 min into #ubuntu-meeting
[16:38] <dholbach> q-funk asked the same thing :)
[16:38]  * dholbach can't right now - on a call
[16:39] <bdrung> 3 persons are here, one more missing. ;)
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> yeah!
[16:41] <bdrung> it would be good, if i knew when who have time.
[17:04] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week in #ubuntu-classroom - NOW! :-)
[17:26] <Milyardo> sudo vim /win 33
[17:28] <therm> Hello, could somebody please sync velocity from debian? bug 423284
[17:43] <_Fauchi95_> Waht means a "Ubuntu Member"?
[17:43] <_Fauchi95_> *What
[17:44] <runasand> in what context?
[17:44] <pace_t_zulu> _Fauchi95_: an ubuntu member will have an Ubuntu cloak and an ubunu.com email address
[17:44] <fabrice_sp_> _Fauchi95_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[17:45] <_Fauchi95_> Thanks
[17:45] <pace_t_zulu> Membership in the Ubuntu community recognises participants for a variety of contributions, from code to artwork, advocacy, translations and organisational skills. If you are active in the Forums, or submitting icons or sounds or artwork, then you are eligible for Membership, which gives you a say in the governance of the project.
[17:50] <doctormo> Hey guys, does anyone know how to get apt to automatically answer configuration questions that pop up during installs?
[17:50] <joaopinto_> doctormo, you mean debconf questions ?
[17:50] <soren> doctormo: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
[17:50] <soren> doctormo: Environment variable.
[17:51] <hggdh> but you may not like all answers...
[17:51] <doctormo> joaopinto_: Yes I think so, for instance it just prompted me about an ntp config, and this question was stopping a cronjob from clearing the machine.
[17:54] <joaopinto_> DEBIAN_FRONTEND to noninteractive will set some defaults , I think that is what you want
[17:54] <doctormo> thanks
[18:00] <LaserJock> any MOTU Release people about?
[18:01] <iulian> LaserJock: What's up?
[18:02] <LaserJock> iulian: I'm wanting some advice on a Multiverse package regarding feature freeze, etc.
[18:02] <LaserJock> because it's closed source it's a bit difficult to work with
[18:03] <LaserJock> upstream is pretty good about pushing fixes, but they come out as new upstream releases
[18:03] <LaserJock> so I'm wondering how to handle FF and beyond
[18:03] <iulian> LaserJock: Have you filed a bug?
[18:04] <LaserJock> I haven't yet
[18:04] <LaserJock> my understanding of the FF policy is if it's a bug-fix only release I don't need a FFe
[18:04] <iulian> LaserJock: That's correct.
[18:05] <LaserJock> but it's not exactly clear what bug-fix only is and "microrelease" either
[18:05] <LaserJock> and is there a time (Beta perhaps) when I should stop uploading such releases?
[18:06] <LaserJock> my problem is that basically by definition every fix is a new upstream release
[18:07] <iulian> If the new upstream release contains new features, it means you'll need approval from a release member.
[18:07] <james_w> new upstream doesn't mean not bug-fix only
[18:08] <iulian> Bugfix as in no new features.
[18:08] <LaserJock> well, it's a bit hard for me to determine bugfix vs features
[18:09] <LaserJock> so say the changelog was: "Now works for ATI drivers", is that a bug fix (not working with ATI cards) or a feature?
[18:09] <LaserJock> I don't have code to look at a diff for
[18:10] <LaserJock> to see if it's a large code change or not
[18:10] <LaserJock> so I'm basically just working with the changelog and what upstream tells me
[18:11] <zooko> ScottK: it sounds like we have approval from reviewers to upload Tahoe-LAFS into Karmic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/421802 . I think it is waiting on your approval.
[18:14] <therm> Could somebody please sync velocity from debian? bug 423284
[18:16] <iulian> LaserJock: Yea, that can be a bit tricky when you don't have code to look at.  Have you tested this new upstream release?
[18:17] <LaserJock> iulian: I haven't myself yet no. It's a bit tricky to test. Upstream has some dedicated QA people that do testing on Ubuntu
[18:18] <iulian> Oh.  I hope they do the testing using Karmic.
[18:18] <ScottK> LaserJock: For multiverse (and particularly if this is the package I'm thinking of), I'd say meh.  Go adhead.
[18:18] <ScottK> LaserJock: Is this your usual multiverse upload?
[18:18] <LaserJock> ScottK: yes
[18:18] <LaserJock> they're working to get things rolling better
[18:19] <LaserJock> they've got a package they've got tested with Karmic (usually they just do the stable release :( )
[18:21] <ScottK> iulian: I trust LaserJock's judgement here, so I'd say he should just go ahead.  This is a package he's work with for a long time.
[18:21] <iulian> ScottK: Well, he didn't tell me that, obviously :)
[18:21] <ScottK> Yep.
[18:21] <iulian> So yea, go ahead.
[18:21] <LaserJock> I created the original package for Dapper
[18:26] <LaserJock> iulian, ScottK: thanks for the consultation. I gotta run off to work (yeah, that's right, *real* work) :-)
[18:26] <zooko> ScottK: did you see my comment about about Tahoe-LFAS?
[18:26] <zooko> I mean, Tahoe-LAFS.
[18:29] <zooko> Okay now I will wait patientlly and do some of my real work, too.  :-)
[18:29] <zooko>  
[18:29] <ScottK> zooko: I'm looking at it.
[18:34] <ScottK> zooko: Approved.
[18:34] <zooko> ScootK: Whoo-hoo!  \o/
[18:34] <zooko> Anything I need to do to help upload it?
[18:35] <ScottK> Ask one of the MOTU that advocated it to upload it.
[18:36] <zooko> Okay.
[18:36] <iulian> zooko: I'll take care of it.
[18:37] <zooko> iulian: thanks!
[18:45] <zooko> iulian: if you need anything and I'm not around ask in #tahoe
[18:48] <sluimers> Hey there! I've got a packaging problem. My executable doesn't want to go into my deb package.
[18:49] <hyperair> stick it into debian/<packagename>/usr/bin
[18:53] <Laney> or use dh_install
[19:08] <dreamcat4> I get the message:
[19:08] <dreamcat4> Warning! This package could not be extracted; there's no browsable directory for it on REVU.
[19:22] <dreamcat4> oh - because its missing the orig.tar.gz
[19:42] <dreamcat4> Uploaded:
[19:42] <dreamcat4> New 'php5-fpm' build target. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/php5
[21:43] <zooko> I
[21:43] <zooko> I blogged and identi.ca'ed about Tahoe-LAFS going into Karmic: http://identi.ca/zooko
[21:48] <c_korn> andv: thanks for the ack :)
[21:49] <andv> c_korn, np, thanks to you for the fast response
[22:00] <andv> ScottK, azureus FFE is ready
[22:01] <andv> ScottK, Bug #423159 if you wanna follow up
[22:01] <kerim> hiii
[22:02] <kerim> how can ınstall Qgrub editor on ubuntu whit console
[22:04] <jpds> kerim: Please use #ubuntu for support.
[22:04] <kerim> ok thanks
[22:06] <nicklas__> i can do package update requests in here?
[22:07] <andv> nicklas__, what do you mean?
[22:10] <nicklas__> andv: warsow (first person shooter open source game) has been released in new version, 0.5 .... the version in repos is 0.42
[22:10] <nicklas__> andv: do i have to use launchpad or i can do request here?
[22:10] <Laney> there's no point
[22:10] <Laney> we are past feature freeze for karmic
[22:11] <andv> nicklas__, is it a bug fix only release?
[22:11] <andv> nicklas__, or it has some new features?
[22:11] <nicklas__> so you cant put new warsow version in before 10.4?
[22:11] <andv> nicklas__, answer my questions
[22:11] <nicklas__> andv: no, new features i think
[22:12] <nicklas__> andv: the basics are the same, but some new effects and such
[22:12] <nicklas__> andv: and some new weapon
[22:12] <nicklas__> andv: howcome?
[22:12] <andv> nicklas__, as we are past FF (feature freeze) there should be a good rationale for having it accepted
[22:13] <nicklas__> andv: aah, then i guess there are, just thought you meant it wouldnt accept it if the changes were too big
[22:13] <andv> nicklas__, also there should be some good testing behind
[22:13] <nicklas__> andv: hmm ok
[22:14] <nicklas__> andv: well warsow has been in repos for a long time
[22:14] <andv> nicklas__, for more informations
[22:14] <andv> nicklas__, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[22:16] <nicklas__> andv: here, the article "Warsow 0.5 released!" shows changes, you think its enough to get it accepted?
[22:16] <nicklas__> andv: and also changelog here, http://static.warsow.net/release/changelog.txt
[22:18] <dreamcat4> New 'php5-fpm' build target. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/php5
[22:18] <andv> nicklas__, how big is this package?
[22:20] <nicklas__> andv: about 200 mb i think
[22:21] <dreamcat4> [needs packaging] php-fpm http://launchpad.net/bugs/398821
[22:21] <andv> nicklas__, the big issue is finding someone willing to update it
[22:21] <andv> :D
[22:22] <nicklas__> andv: hmm ok, how you do that? can i update it?
[22:22] <andv> nicklas__, if you don't have any packaging experience, it will be a bit hard for you
[22:22] <nicklas__> andv: i figured so
[22:23] <nicklas__> andv: i know about tarballs and such
[22:23] <andv> nicklas__, I would wait debian
[22:24] <andv> nicklas__, you should file a bug against warsow package in debian
[22:24] <nicklas__> andv: hmm ok, then i quess its easier to install the unified zip on the site
[22:24] <andv> nicklas__, asking for the new upstream release to be packaged
[22:24] <nicklas__> andv: i can file a bug request on launchpad too
[22:24] <andv> nicklas__, debian don't use LP for bug tracking
[22:25] <nicklas__> andv: no, ubuntu does
[22:25] <andv> nicklas__, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[22:25] <andv> nicklas__, yeah, but I would suggest you to ping debian maintainers about this new release
[22:26] <andv> nicklas__, so that, in case, we can keep it in sync with Debian
[23:21] <andv> nhandler, azureus request updated, if you wanna have another look to it
[23:22] <andv> * at
[23:22] <nhandler> andv: I'll look at it some time today. Thanks for updating it
[23:22] <andv> nhandler, thanks to you for taking a look at it ;)
[23:22] <andv> I gonna follow it up