[00:38] <cr3> eeejay: hey dude, have you run the trunk of mago in karmic lately?
[07:08] <ara> good morning all!
[13:58] <davmor2> fader_: Morning dude nice break?
[13:58] <fader_> davmor2: Not at all.  Schlepping boxes the whole time... I'm tired!
[13:59] <fader_> davmor2: Next time I'm calling you to come help move my furniture.
[13:59] <davmor2> ? you moved then or something?
[13:59] <davmor2> fader_: No worries as long as you cover the return flight costs :)
[14:00] <fader_> :)
[14:00] <fader_> davmor2: Yup, moved on Monday
[14:01] <davmor2> still in boston though yeah?
[14:03] <fader_> davmor2: More or less :)  Moved from north of Boston to east of Boston
[14:03] <fader_> s/east/west
[14:04] <fader_> One of those directions, anyway
[14:04] <fader_> I'd have trouble breathing if I moved too far east of Boston
[14:04] <davmor2> fader_: now let me help you out here N=up, E=right, S=down, W=left it's quite easy really ;)
[14:05] <davmor2> fader_: yeah but it would be great fun to pop the bubbles to find out what your saying :)
[14:06] <fader_> davmor2: In Boston they're all just consensual illusions.  It's not rare to be traveling due east on a road that's marked 'north'.  Or worse, to be on a road that is simultaneously marked as highway #xx north and highway #yy south
[14:09] <davmor2> fader_: that's nothing, we have an anticlockwise road that goes clockwise ;)
[14:10] <fader_> davmor2: That's just because you're driving on the wrong side of it ;)
[14:11] <davmor2> It's you lot driving on the wrong side only us and australia go it right :P
[15:41] <smoser> slangasek, is there a reason that server isos don't show up at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ ? also at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all only upgrade show up?
[15:43] <davmor2> smoser: there are a whole bunch of fixes being uploaded till there in there's basically nothing to test
[15:44] <davmor2> cr3: have you had a whole lot of failures on testing?
[15:45] <cr3> davmor2: I've only had three systems failing to install so far, another problem related to enabling ntp when installing and some mago stuff
[15:46] <davmor2> cr3: no issues post install?  I'm getting a failed fsck after every reboot
[15:46] <cr3> davmor2: yeah, I'm actually working on that exact problem right now, that's what I thought was related to "enabling ntp" above
[15:47] <cr3> davmor2: I disabled ntp and a couple systems just finished installing, same problem
[15:47] <cr3> s/and a/on a/
[15:47] <davmor2> cr3: no I think it is utc as the system clock that is causing the issue
[15:48] <cr3> davmor2: this thing: d-i clock-setup/utc boolean true
[15:48] <davmor2> if you run fsck you get Superblock last mount time (Wed Sep  2 16:18:53 2009, now = Wed Sep  2 15:31:31 2009) is in the future or something similar
[15:48] <cr3> davmor2: exactly, it's a time thing
[15:49] <davmor2> cr3: apparently it sounds like an old issue reoccurring :(
[15:50] <smoser> davmor2, is there a way i can see the list of blocking items on server isos ?
[15:50] <davmor2> smoser: grub2 I think is the biggy on server
[15:52] <smoser> davmor2, where do i see that list ?
[15:53] <davmor2> there isn't one
[15:53] <davmor2> smoser: it's from a bug
[15:55] <smoser> sorry for being dense, is there a list of bugs that are blocking ? i was confused by "it's from a bug". what bug ?
[15:56] <smoser> i'm hoping to start testing UEC/Ec2 images, and want to know if there are bugs blocking the server iso release for testing (or any other release) that would also affect ec2/uec
[15:57] <cr3> davmor2: might you happen to know which bug might refer to the original occurence of this fsck problem?
[15:58] <davmor2> cr3: No idea cjwatson said it was probably :)
[16:02] <davmor2> cr3 try bug 422869
[16:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 422869 in e2fsprogs "fsck halts bootup when checked file has timestamp in the future from other Ubuntu installation" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422869
[16:06] <fader_> Heh, just came over to see if anyone was experiencing fscks on first boot, but I don't think I have to ask after reading scrollback ;)
[16:07] <fader_> davmor2: Have you filed a new bug about this or are you waiting to hear from cjwatson?
[16:08] <davmor2> NO not filed a new one but there is an existing that is sounding amasingly similar :)
[16:16] <fader_> davmor2: I'll assume we don't need to file one since you've been talking with cjwatson about it
[16:18] <davmor2> fader_: and now Keybuk :)
[16:20] <fader_> :)
[16:20] <fader_> davmor2: If they give you a definite on that bug number and/or ask you to file a new one, can you let me know?  I want to make sure to note it in the certification testing reports
[16:21] <fader_> (since I'm seeing it too)
[16:21] <davmor2> fader_: np's :)
[16:21] <davmor2> I've just asked keybuk if he wants me to add the info to the bug I listed above
[16:27] <fader_> davmor2: Thanks, bud.
[16:34] <davmor2> fader: new bug I'll get one together
[16:47] <davmor2> fader_: bug 423247
[16:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 423247 in ubuntu "Superblock last mount times cause fsck to fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423247
[16:47] <fader_> davmor2: Awesome, thanks
[17:16] <fader_> cr3: Is it possible that requirements of the form 'alsa.type==foo' have broken, maybe as a result of removing the dependency on hal?
[17:16] <fader_> I'm having a lot of tests getting skipped that shouldn't be
[17:17] <cr3> fader_: yep, I haven't found time to migrate those
[17:17] <fader_> cr3: Ah, okay.  Same story for the power management tests I take it?
[17:18] <cr3> fader_: you can change the alsa one to: device.category == 'AUDIO'
[17:19] <fader_> cr3: I'd rather not deviate too far from what's in the repositories, since I'm submitting results; I'll test this stuff manually outside of checkbox for now
[17:19] <fader_> I'll be retesting these things again so we can pick up those tests in checkbox next time
[17:27] <cr3> fader_: I've fixed checkbox (base), the changes will appear on the next update
[17:31] <fader_> cr3: Thanks.  I'll likely retest these for the next alpha or beta failing that.  I've just run cheese and sound recorder and sleep/hibernate in the meantime
[17:32] <jcollado> Hi ara
[17:32] <ara> hey jcollado
[17:33] <nagappan> hi ara jcollado
[17:33] <jcollado> hi nagappan
[17:33] <nagappan> hi ara
[17:34] <jcollado> Anybody waiting for mago meeting?
[17:34] <nagappan> ara, there was a question from Willi Walker, will some one from g-d-t will be attending this year GNOME Boston conference ?
[17:34] <nagappan> jcollado, me in listening mode :)
[17:34] <ara> nagappan, I am not :(
[17:34] <nagappan> ara, ok
[17:35] <nagappan> ara, both me and eeejay will not be attending too
[17:35] <ara> jcollado, you can start with the first agenda item
[17:36] <jcollado> Sure
[17:36] <jcollado> I just saw there are some merge proposals (some of them approved by everybody)
[17:36] <jcollado> that are still pending
[17:36] <jcollado> So I though it would be nice to discuss what to do about them
[17:37] <jcollado> just not to forget that they're there
[17:37] <jcollado> and avoid anybody feeling ignored
[17:37] <ara> good, thanks javier. I will try to review them next week. I am still trying to catch up after my holidays
[17:38] <ara> I will try to comment them briefly this week
[17:38] <ara> and more deeply next week
[17:38] <jcollado> Ok, if nobody is in a hurry, then it's fine to postpone this
[17:39] <jcollado> So unless anybody has a concern, we can move to the second item. Ok?
[17:39] <jcollado> Let's review first item next week
[17:39] <ara> OK, perfect
[17:40] <jcollado> Second item is that I wanted to know a little more about the packaging plans for mago
[17:41] <jcollado> This actually related to one of the merges, but I felt it's worth to talk about it separatedly
[17:41] <jcollado> So, first question is
[17:41] <ara> OK. First thing. Mago is in karmic
[17:41] <jcollado> how many packages?
[17:41] <ara> http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/mago-is-in-karmic/
[17:41] <ara> only one, with the library and the framework, not the tests
[17:42] <jcollado> Ok, I see
[17:42] <ara> Ubuntu development is already on Feature Freeze, so no new things can be added
[17:42] <jcollado> Any plan to add the tests?
[17:42] <ara> besides, I don't think ubuntu archive is the right place to hold tests, as can change a lot
[17:43] <ara> I think PPAs are a better place for those, what do you guys think?
[17:43] <jcollado> Then the question is if that it's going to be uploaded to the PPA
[17:43] <jcollado> I agree
[17:43] <jcollado> Also, it would be nice to have those packages for jaunty in the PPA
[17:43] <jcollado> Do you agree?
[17:43] <ara> well, PPAs are Personal archives, any one can do anything
[17:43] <ara> they are not official
[17:44] <ara> so if you want to add those to the PPA, go ahead
[17:44] <ara> I think it can be useful
[17:44] <jcollado> Yes, but since the debian directory was removed from the source
[17:44] <jcollado> it might be good to get it back
[17:45] <jcollado> to reproduce the same package as in karmic, right?
[17:45] <ara> well, we can do other thing
[17:46] <ara> lets maintain a branch only with the debian folder contents
[17:46] <ara> named "packaging" or something
[17:46] <ara> then, if you want to build a package
[17:46] <ara> you can do:
[17:46] <ara> bzr branch lp:mago
[17:46] <ara> bzr nest lp:~mago-contributors/mago/packaging debian
[17:47] <ara> and then build the package
[17:47] <ara> that's more flexible
[17:47] <ara> because it allows to keep packaging from code separate
[17:47] <jcollado> Looks good. I didn't know about bzr nest.
[17:48] <jcollado> Is that subcommand part of any plugin?
[17:48] <ara> yes, bzrbuilder: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/BzrBuilder
[17:49] <jcollado> Thanks for the link
[17:49] <ara> as ubuntu development is moving towards bzr more and more, jwestby is providing some useful tools :)
[17:50] <ara> next great thing would be to keep daily ppas with the latest code of mago and the tests :)
[17:50] <jcollado> Yes, that would be cool
[17:51] <jcollado> Ok, then may I assume you'll create that packaging branch?
[17:51] <ara> jcollado, ok, I'll put that as an action item to myself
[17:51] <jcollado> Thanks.
[17:52] <jcollado> I think that's all I wanted to comment for this meeting
[17:52] <ara> OK, I have one small item left
[17:52] <ara> it is just a quick reminder to new contributors to use the epydoc syntax on the new code
[17:52] <ara> to be able to keep the API documentation up to date
[17:53] <ara> I will try to find a better place other than people.canonical.com to upload the documentation
[17:53] <jcollado> Ok. I'll pay attention to that in the future
[17:54] <ara> anything else? nagappan, eeejay?
[17:54] <nagappan> ara, as I earlier requested in pvt chat :)
[17:54] <lajjr> sorry was on the floor was told by the wife about meeting..
[17:55] <nagappan> ara, post the initial review request to g-d-t mailing list
[17:55] <nagappan> ara, so others will be aware of this team work
[17:55] <ara> good point, nagappan
[17:56] <ara> OK. I'll write down the notes of the meeting and will send them to the list
[17:56] <ara> thanks all!
[17:56] <nagappan> ara, cool, thanks
[17:56] <jcollado> Thanks
[17:56] <lajjr> thanks ara..
[17:56] <lajjr> sorry about missing the meeting.
[17:57] <slangasek> smoser: sorry, as noted the images had not been posted because there were known problems with them (specifically related to eucalyptus) - I have the 20090902 build posted now, though I'm not sure whether this is final - has anyone done any testing of this image in the meantime, or were people waiting for it to be on the tracker?
[17:57] <ara> lajjr, don't worry, lajjr, I'll send the notes
[17:58] <davmor2> slangasek: all the iso's need respining for cjwatson's fix to grub2 and others
[17:58] <smoser> slangasek, mathiaz has been testing it
[17:58] <lajjr> thank you I was on the floor to watch production project it was my wife thank god for wives.
[17:58] <smoser> slangasek, i was asking primarily to find if there was anything that would have affected the uec/ec2 images.
[17:59] <lajjr> Be Safe all I am on her computer lol..
[17:59] <lajjr> She told me to go on my own.
[17:59] <mathiaz> slangasek: more fixes will be needed for eucalyptus
[18:00] <mathiaz> slangasek: I'm preparing the patches now - soren will probably upload a new package later
[18:01] <slangasek> mathiaz: ok; please keep me informed (you and soren) so I know when to post the new images to the tracker
[18:01] <lajjr> I also will be adding more image later today for the logo and the theme will be set arount it I have some done just have to pick an image I colored them the tango theme. I want to finish the others before you choose one of them.
[18:02] <ara> lajjr, nice!
[18:04] <lajjr> Ok I have to get back to work guys I will try to get an e-mail out you ara about a few items a cloak arond a computer and a few others I will email the list went I put them up really neat images for the logo.
[18:04] <ara> lajjr, ok, thanks! and rock on!
[18:05] <lajjr> thanks and again Be Safe..
[18:09] <sbeattie> davmor2: around? I'm going to mention alpha 5 testing in the meeting. You might get asked about current status, if you don't mind.
[18:10] <davmor2> no probs :D
[18:31] <slangasek> smoser, mathiaz: server ISO respun; that at least picks up all the grub fixes and whatnot, and if we need another respin for eucalyptus fixes after, -server is cheap to respin :)
[21:43] <plars> who's testing isos?
[21:44] <plars> I've only seen reports from me and davmor2 on anything so far...
[21:46] <davmor2> me
[21:46] <pedro_> I'm syncing the latest isos, will test again in a few minutes
[21:50] <plars> pedro_: I'm currently limited to testing UNR under virtualbox, and getting fsck failure at every boot due to last mount time being in the future
[21:50] <plars> pedro_: curious if that's a side effect of vbox, or if people are seeing that on real hardware
[21:52] <davmor2> plars: no it's an installer bug got to the bottom of it earlier
[21:52] <davmor2> plars: set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS
[21:54] <plars> davmor2: I wondered if it wasn't... is there a bug on it already?
[21:54] <davmor2> plars: discovered as a side effect of another bug
[21:56] <plars> I see it
[21:56] <plars> thanks