[00:38] eeejay: hey dude, have you run the trunk of mago in karmic lately? [07:08] good morning all! === natureshadow1 is now known as natureshadow [13:58] fader_: Morning dude nice break? [13:58] davmor2: Not at all. Schlepping boxes the whole time... I'm tired! [13:59] davmor2: Next time I'm calling you to come help move my furniture. [13:59] ? you moved then or something? [13:59] fader_: No worries as long as you cover the return flight costs :) [14:00] :) [14:00] davmor2: Yup, moved on Monday [14:01] still in boston though yeah? [14:03] davmor2: More or less :) Moved from north of Boston to east of Boston [14:03] s/east/west [14:04] One of those directions, anyway [14:04] I'd have trouble breathing if I moved too far east of Boston [14:04] fader_: now let me help you out here N=up, E=right, S=down, W=left it's quite easy really ;) [14:05] fader_: yeah but it would be great fun to pop the bubbles to find out what your saying :) [14:06] davmor2: In Boston they're all just consensual illusions. It's not rare to be traveling due east on a road that's marked 'north'. Or worse, to be on a road that is simultaneously marked as highway #xx north and highway #yy south [14:09] fader_: that's nothing, we have an anticlockwise road that goes clockwise ;) [14:10] davmor2: That's just because you're driving on the wrong side of it ;) [14:11] It's you lot driving on the wrong side only us and australia go it right :P [15:41] slangasek, is there a reason that server isos don't show up at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ ? also at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all only upgrade show up? [15:43] smoser: there are a whole bunch of fixes being uploaded till there in there's basically nothing to test [15:44] cr3: have you had a whole lot of failures on testing? [15:45] davmor2: I've only had three systems failing to install so far, another problem related to enabling ntp when installing and some mago stuff [15:46] cr3: no issues post install? I'm getting a failed fsck after every reboot [15:46] davmor2: yeah, I'm actually working on that exact problem right now, that's what I thought was related to "enabling ntp" above [15:47] davmor2: I disabled ntp and a couple systems just finished installing, same problem [15:47] s/and a/on a/ [15:47] cr3: no I think it is utc as the system clock that is causing the issue [15:48] davmor2: this thing: d-i clock-setup/utc boolean true [15:48] if you run fsck you get Superblock last mount time (Wed Sep 2 16:18:53 2009, now = Wed Sep 2 15:31:31 2009) is in the future or something similar [15:48] davmor2: exactly, it's a time thing [15:49] cr3: apparently it sounds like an old issue reoccurring :( [15:50] davmor2, is there a way i can see the list of blocking items on server isos ? [15:50] smoser: grub2 I think is the biggy on server [15:52] davmor2, where do i see that list ? [15:53] there isn't one [15:53] smoser: it's from a bug [15:55] sorry for being dense, is there a list of bugs that are blocking ? i was confused by "it's from a bug". what bug ? [15:56] i'm hoping to start testing UEC/Ec2 images, and want to know if there are bugs blocking the server iso release for testing (or any other release) that would also affect ec2/uec [15:57] davmor2: might you happen to know which bug might refer to the original occurence of this fsck problem? [15:58] cr3: No idea cjwatson said it was probably :) [16:02] cr3 try bug 422869 [16:02] Launchpad bug 422869 in e2fsprogs "fsck halts bootup when checked file has timestamp in the future from other Ubuntu installation" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422869 [16:06] Heh, just came over to see if anyone was experiencing fscks on first boot, but I don't think I have to ask after reading scrollback ;) [16:07] davmor2: Have you filed a new bug about this or are you waiting to hear from cjwatson? [16:08] NO not filed a new one but there is an existing that is sounding amasingly similar :) [16:16] davmor2: I'll assume we don't need to file one since you've been talking with cjwatson about it [16:18] fader_: and now Keybuk :) [16:20] :) [16:20] davmor2: If they give you a definite on that bug number and/or ask you to file a new one, can you let me know? I want to make sure to note it in the certification testing reports [16:21] (since I'm seeing it too) [16:21] fader_: np's :) [16:21] I've just asked keybuk if he wants me to add the info to the bug I listed above [16:27] davmor2: Thanks, bud. [16:34] fader: new bug I'll get one together [16:47] fader_: bug 423247 [16:47] Launchpad bug 423247 in ubuntu "Superblock last mount times cause fsck to fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423247 [16:47] davmor2: Awesome, thanks === marjomercado is now known as marjo [17:16] cr3: Is it possible that requirements of the form 'alsa.type==foo' have broken, maybe as a result of removing the dependency on hal? [17:16] I'm having a lot of tests getting skipped that shouldn't be [17:17] fader_: yep, I haven't found time to migrate those [17:17] cr3: Ah, okay. Same story for the power management tests I take it? [17:18] fader_: you can change the alsa one to: device.category == 'AUDIO' [17:19] cr3: I'd rather not deviate too far from what's in the repositories, since I'm submitting results; I'll test this stuff manually outside of checkbox for now [17:19] I'll be retesting these things again so we can pick up those tests in checkbox next time [17:27] fader_: I've fixed checkbox (base), the changes will appear on the next update [17:31] cr3: Thanks. I'll likely retest these for the next alpha or beta failing that. I've just run cheese and sound recorder and sleep/hibernate in the meantime [17:32] Hi ara [17:32] hey jcollado [17:33] hi ara jcollado [17:33] hi nagappan [17:33] hi ara [17:34] Anybody waiting for mago meeting? [17:34] ara, there was a question from Willi Walker, will some one from g-d-t will be attending this year GNOME Boston conference ? [17:34] jcollado, me in listening mode :) [17:34] nagappan, I am not :( [17:34] ara, ok [17:35] ara, both me and eeejay will not be attending too [17:35] jcollado, you can start with the first agenda item [17:36] Sure [17:36] I just saw there are some merge proposals (some of them approved by everybody) [17:36] that are still pending [17:36] So I though it would be nice to discuss what to do about them [17:37] just not to forget that they're there [17:37] and avoid anybody feeling ignored [17:37] good, thanks javier. I will try to review them next week. I am still trying to catch up after my holidays [17:38] I will try to comment them briefly this week [17:38] and more deeply next week [17:38] Ok, if nobody is in a hurry, then it's fine to postpone this [17:39] So unless anybody has a concern, we can move to the second item. Ok? [17:39] Let's review first item next week [17:39] OK, perfect [17:40] Second item is that I wanted to know a little more about the packaging plans for mago [17:41] This actually related to one of the merges, but I felt it's worth to talk about it separatedly [17:41] So, first question is [17:41] OK. First thing. Mago is in karmic [17:41] how many packages? [17:41] http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/mago-is-in-karmic/ [17:41] only one, with the library and the framework, not the tests [17:42] Ok, I see [17:42] Ubuntu development is already on Feature Freeze, so no new things can be added [17:42] Any plan to add the tests? [17:42] besides, I don't think ubuntu archive is the right place to hold tests, as can change a lot [17:43] I think PPAs are a better place for those, what do you guys think? [17:43] Then the question is if that it's going to be uploaded to the PPA [17:43] I agree [17:43] Also, it would be nice to have those packages for jaunty in the PPA [17:43] Do you agree? [17:43] well, PPAs are Personal archives, any one can do anything [17:43] they are not official [17:44] so if you want to add those to the PPA, go ahead [17:44] I think it can be useful [17:44] Yes, but since the debian directory was removed from the source [17:44] it might be good to get it back [17:45] to reproduce the same package as in karmic, right? [17:45] well, we can do other thing [17:46] lets maintain a branch only with the debian folder contents [17:46] named "packaging" or something [17:46] then, if you want to build a package [17:46] you can do: [17:46] bzr branch lp:mago [17:46] bzr nest lp:~mago-contributors/mago/packaging debian [17:47] and then build the package [17:47] that's more flexible [17:47] because it allows to keep packaging from code separate [17:47] Looks good. I didn't know about bzr nest. [17:48] Is that subcommand part of any plugin? [17:48] yes, bzrbuilder: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/BzrBuilder [17:49] Thanks for the link [17:49] as ubuntu development is moving towards bzr more and more, jwestby is providing some useful tools :) [17:50] next great thing would be to keep daily ppas with the latest code of mago and the tests :) [17:50] Yes, that would be cool [17:51] Ok, then may I assume you'll create that packaging branch? [17:51] jcollado, ok, I'll put that as an action item to myself [17:51] Thanks. [17:52] I think that's all I wanted to comment for this meeting [17:52] OK, I have one small item left [17:52] it is just a quick reminder to new contributors to use the epydoc syntax on the new code [17:52] to be able to keep the API documentation up to date [17:53] I will try to find a better place other than people.canonical.com to upload the documentation [17:53] Ok. I'll pay attention to that in the future [17:54] anything else? nagappan, eeejay? [17:54] ara, as I earlier requested in pvt chat :) [17:54] sorry was on the floor was told by the wife about meeting.. [17:55] ara, post the initial review request to g-d-t mailing list [17:55] ara, so others will be aware of this team work [17:55] good point, nagappan [17:56] OK. I'll write down the notes of the meeting and will send them to the list [17:56] thanks all! [17:56] ara, cool, thanks [17:56] Thanks [17:56] thanks ara.. [17:56] sorry about missing the meeting. [17:57] smoser: sorry, as noted the images had not been posted because there were known problems with them (specifically related to eucalyptus) - I have the 20090902 build posted now, though I'm not sure whether this is final - has anyone done any testing of this image in the meantime, or were people waiting for it to be on the tracker? [17:57] lajjr, don't worry, lajjr, I'll send the notes [17:58] slangasek: all the iso's need respining for cjwatson's fix to grub2 and others [17:58] slangasek, mathiaz has been testing it [17:58] thank you I was on the floor to watch production project it was my wife thank god for wives. [17:58] slangasek, i was asking primarily to find if there was anything that would have affected the uec/ec2 images. [17:59] Be Safe all I am on her computer lol.. [17:59] She told me to go on my own. [17:59] slangasek: more fixes will be needed for eucalyptus [18:00] slangasek: I'm preparing the patches now - soren will probably upload a new package later [18:01] mathiaz: ok; please keep me informed (you and soren) so I know when to post the new images to the tracker [18:01] I also will be adding more image later today for the logo and the theme will be set arount it I have some done just have to pick an image I colored them the tango theme. I want to finish the others before you choose one of them. [18:02] lajjr, nice! [18:04] Ok I have to get back to work guys I will try to get an e-mail out you ara about a few items a cloak arond a computer and a few others I will email the list went I put them up really neat images for the logo. [18:04] lajjr, ok, thanks! and rock on! [18:05] thanks and again Be Safe.. [18:09] davmor2: around? I'm going to mention alpha 5 testing in the meeting. You might get asked about current status, if you don't mind. [18:10] no probs :D [18:31] smoser, mathiaz: server ISO respun; that at least picks up all the grub fixes and whatnot, and if we need another respin for eucalyptus fixes after, -server is cheap to respin :) [21:43] who's testing isos? [21:44] I've only seen reports from me and davmor2 on anything so far... [21:46] me [21:46] I'm syncing the latest isos, will test again in a few minutes [21:50] pedro_: I'm currently limited to testing UNR under virtualbox, and getting fsck failure at every boot due to last mount time being in the future [21:50] pedro_: curious if that's a side effect of vbox, or if people are seeing that on real hardware [21:52] plars: no it's an installer bug got to the bottom of it earlier [21:52] plars: set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS [21:54] davmor2: I wondered if it wasn't... is there a bug on it already? [21:54] plars: discovered as a side effect of another bug [21:56] I see it [21:56] thanks