[00:16] <EagleScreen> brightness keys don't work in karmic in my laptop
[00:16] <EagleScreen> it is an Acer aspire 2920
[00:17] <EagleScreen> suspend to RAM key neitherg
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: for copyrights, would adding the new copyright holder (Riddell) and extending Sime's copyright date to 2007 be sufficient?
[00:18] <EagleScreen> thay work in Gnome, so KDE specific problem?
[00:18] <spstarr> EagleScreen: I didn't try suspend to disk/ram yet, I know if i switch GPU to AMD it will fail, the intel GPU should work
[00:19] <EagleScreen> i mean about keys (hotkeys)
[00:19] <EagleScreen> my laptop suspend well my powerdevil applet
[02:17] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: are all those cmake modules really needed in the source? shouldn't they be / aren't they global somewhere?
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> mm, probably
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> cmakelists.txt should not include that dir then, which is why I added it in the first place, hoping to fix things
[02:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The killer was the license not being in there.   The other adjustments are good, but not essential
[02:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: So I guess that's a long winded yes.
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> *mm, probably not
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: ok, since the licensing stuff is ok now I've uploaded. I'll remove the stuff in bzr for the next release though
[02:19] <yuriy> ok
[02:20] <yuriy> what was wrong with licensing? i had a copyright file in there AFAIR
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: packaging licensing
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> the cmake modules weren't documented in debian/copyright
[02:21] <yuriy> oh
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> an oversight on my part
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> So are we going to try to get this in kde svn as extragear?
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> ooh, needs a Messages.sh for translations support
[02:23] <yuriy> oh? there's something needed other than the i18n()s?
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> yeah, there's a Messages.sh script needed for generating the templates
[02:23] <yuriy> also yeah that's the plan... or at least should import it into the branch in playground for now
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> i18n()s mark stuff for translation, this script generates the templates
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> should be a 5 minute job, I should have checked for that before I uploaded...
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: happen to know the record for amount of rejections in a day?
[02:24] <ScottK> Nope.
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> I think that the MIR people will want translation support before they'll promote, so might as well reject it again
[02:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Want me to reject it again?
[02:25] <ScottK> OK
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> this should only be a 5 minute job
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> well, have to testbuild stuff too, so that'll take longer
[02:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Rejected.
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: thanks
[02:27]  * JontheEchidna steals g-p-m's messages.sh
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> hmm, why won't this work
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> ah, ok. I got it
[02:41]  * ScottK will be back in a bit.
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: did you mean to change the topic in kde-devel?
[03:13] <ScottK> Crap.
[03:13] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: new userconfig in New, too
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> I am wondering if we want to keep around the KDE3 version of KNetworkManager at all
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> - It is unmaintained, and probably doesn't work past wired connections with NM 0.8
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> -If one was going to use an alternate NM frontend, they might as well go for nm-applet since they'd have to use a separate toolkit already, and nm-applet is better than the kde3 applet anyways
[03:34] <ScottK> I'd kill it
[03:35]  * JontheEchidna wonders how much of a consensus/discussion that sort of decision requires
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> btw, Debian has made the new KNetworkManager a binary package of plasma-widget-networkmanagement named network-manager-kde, so we'd have to kill the KDE3 one before we can next merge
[03:36] <spstarr> KDE 3 is dead anyway ;)
[03:36] <spstarr> (I'd like to think so!)
[03:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You didn't add the license info to debian/copyright
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: huu?
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, right. I removed the directory as it was unneeded
[03:37] <ScottK> OK
[03:37] <ScottK> http://pastebin.com/f5a1f3dee
[03:37] <ScottK> That's the debdiff
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, I forgot to undo the copyright changes
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> not my day :(
[03:39] <ScottK> 4
[03:40] <ScottK> Rejected
[03:40] <JontheEchidna> Back on the subject of NM, I'd imagine we dont' want to be shipping the silly placeholder NM plasma widget in the final release
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> so it'd be good to separate the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package like debian so that we can seed the tray applet but not the placeholder widget
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> but then, we gotta axe kde3 KNM. It looks like it's days are numbered
[03:45] <ScottK> What happens on upgrades?
[03:45] <JontheEchidna> from 3->4?
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> all config lost, unfortunately :(
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> userconfig back in New
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> maybe we can hack up a KNM3->4 script for 10.04 (for LTS->LTS upgrades)?
[03:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> yuriy, txwikinger_work: congrats guys, userconfig is really, finally in
[03:55] <ScottK> Still needs to get through binary New.....
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> It's a bit how awesomely pathetic it is that it took 3 men 2 years and 5 uploads to get userconfig kde4'd
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> *1 year
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> One year and 29 days
[04:07] <spstarr> really nice seeing PolicyKit in KDE now
[04:07] <spstarr> it just merged into trunk
[04:08] <ScottK> There it is.  Back in New again.
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> Am I correct in assuming that this will need a new MIR?
[04:14] <ScottK> I think it's a safe bet.
[04:14] <ScottK> Do we need it in Main for Karmic?
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> the goal is to replace kuser with it by default
[04:17] <ScottK> Oh.
[04:17] <ScottK> Definitely a MIR then.
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> Since it's: a) integrated with System Settings b) Easier to use c) doesn't have a toolbar with two icons that look like they jumped out of windows 3.1 :P
[04:19]  * ScottK nods
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> KAuth support for KDE 4.4 would be awesome, but that's probably a 10.04 goal
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> s/probably/most definitely
[04:21]  * JontheEchidna is bad about using probably where a better word would be... better
[04:24] <spstarr> JontheEchidna: its already in k3b
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> I was talking more about KAuth support in userconfig, should have been more specific
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> but that's cool too :)
[04:40] <spstarr> JontheEchidna: i don't see why that can't happen :)
[05:43] <ScottK> Come on folks.  We really need some ISO testing done ... http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[05:49] <spstarr> ScottK: i tested alpha 4 ;p
[05:49] <spstarr> on 2 boxes :)
[05:49] <spstarr> i had no crashes
[05:49] <ScottK> spstarr: Great.  Please do the Alpha 5 ISOs now.
[05:49] <spstarr> other then a bad CD burn which caused the live install to barf :)
[05:49] <spstarr> ScottK: i can do so in a VirtualBox sure
[05:49] <ScottK> Great.
[05:50] <spstarr> what sort of testing needed?
[05:50] <spstarr> i never tried the alternative CD
[05:50]  * spstarr gets
[05:51] <ScottK> Each of those images has as set of tests.  They are mostly installation/boot tests.
[05:51] <spstarr> so that's where you get the daily builds from
[05:51] <ScottK> We only do this testing for the milestone releases, but it's essentially the latest daily.
[05:51] <spstarr> other than PulseAudio crashing like mad
[05:52] <ScottK> You can always find the latest dailies on cdimages.ubunt.com.
[05:52] <spstarr> [ 1363.030527] pulseaudio[3791] general protection ip:7f964d71ce70 sp:7fffbf737e10 error:0 in libc-2.10.1.so[7f964d6a7000+166000]
[05:52] <ScottK> Shouldn't be any crashing pulseaudio here.
[05:52] <spstarr> [ 1385.323064] pulseaudio[3829]: segfault at 18 ip 00007f96399c3dcd sp 00007fffe19836a0 error 4 in libc-2.10.1.so[7f963994e000+166000]
[05:52] <spstarr> :/
[05:53] <spstarr> oh it crashes alot for me with VirtualBox + KDE
[05:53] <ScottK> Weird.
[05:53] <spstarr> i will log a bug with dump i need the debug symbols for pluseaudio though
[05:53] <spstarr> pulseaudio
[05:53] <spstarr> pulseaudio-dbg should do it
[05:55] <spstarr> [ 1620.868011] hda-intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode: last cmd=0x017f0900
[05:55] <spstarr> hmm
[05:56] <jussi01> pulse is of the devil. are we shipping it? o.O
[05:56] <spstarr> not by default
[05:56] <spstarr> but i installed it cause I can't use ALSA in VirtualBox + KDE
[05:57] <spstarr> lock of /dev/dsp
[05:57] <ScottK> spstarr: I need to get tosleep, but any of those ISO tests you can get through would be a big help.
[05:57] <ScottK> Please file bugs if you find issues.
[05:58] <spstarr> 13 mins i'll have the ISO :)
[05:58] <ScottK> If you don't have an ISO tracker account, I'll enter any test results you have after I wake up.
[05:58] <ScottK> Excellent.
[05:58] <spstarr> im also working on plasma at the moment since i want to add Get New Hot Stuff to my plasmoid for KDE 4.4
[05:59] <ScottK> OK.
[05:59] <ScottK> Have a good night.
[05:59] <spstarr> nite
[07:40] <nareshov> ah
[07:40] <nareshov> was wondering how #kubuntu-devel became so small
[07:40] <nareshov> lo
[07:40] <nareshov> l
[07:46] <spstarr> ScottK: checking ISO integrity (amd64 Alternative CD)
[07:55] <spstarr> ScottK: oh Alternative is text only?
[08:18] <Blizzz> i upgraded to karmic this night. seems ok, except for mysql which won't start. known issue? mysql logs are empty, in syslog appears this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/264225/ any idea?
[08:44] <jussi01> spstarr: yeah, thats the point of the alternative... :)
[08:44] <Blizzz> solved. somehow mysql-server-5.x has not been updated during upgrade but removed, it seems. only the core package.
[08:45] <spstarr> jussi01: I was thinking it was GUI mode with expert vs debian installer :)
[08:45] <spstarr> but it failed
[08:45] <jussi01> spstarr: ahh, its more for people with x issues etc imho
[08:45] <spstarr> fsck died with exit status 4
[08:45] <jussi01> :(
[08:46] <spstarr> ScottK: Using alternative CD, use LVM, default w/o encryption, go though install .. reboots... fsck fails
[08:46] <spstarr> ScottK: /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.  (exit status 4)
[08:47] <spstarr> Superblock time is in future (maybe VirtualBox's fault with time?)
[08:47] <spstarr> no other errors found
[08:47] <spstarr> hmm
[08:47]  * spstarr blames VirtualBox for this
[08:48] <spstarr> haha same thing on reboot
[08:48] <spstarr> that isn't good
[08:49]  * spstarr adjusts some properties in vb
[08:50] <spstarr> well, i got it to boot :)
[08:51] <spstarr> may be false alarm (I had IO-APIC turned off since it can slow virtualization down, but maybe it broke timer) it boots
[08:56] <spstarr> ScottK: 'Enable Strigi Desktop File Indexer'  -> Error: The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstrigiservice was not provided by any .service files <-- This doesn't work even in KDE trunk still, but its just broken period
[09:04] <spstarr> actually
[09:04] <spstarr> Kubuntu already has KDE PolicyKit supported, go to the k3bsetup option in systemsettings
[09:05] <spstarr> you will get a nice popup dialog if you change something "Privileges are required to update permissions of devices and programs"
[09:38] <Nightrose> Riddell: have another look ;-) bugzilla has a thing called search sharing
[09:41] <Riddell> ooh so it does
[09:42] <Riddell> "81 bugs found" beasties everywhere!
[09:42] <Nightrose> hehe
[09:42] <Riddell> no blockers though I see
[09:43] <Nightrose> yea no single bug is a blocker right now - just too many non-blockers atm
[11:28] <ubuntu> Riddell: ping me please
[11:30] <davmor2> ubntu: ping
[11:30] <davmor2> ubuntu:ping
[11:30] <davmor2> Yay
[12:08] <serzholino> Hi! KNetworkManager constantly crashes here in jaunty after upgrade from kde 4.3.0 to 4.3.1
[12:10] <serzholino> Here is the backtrace http://paste.ubuntu.com/264354/
[12:11] <serzholino> drkoni says it may be useful
[12:11] <serzholino> Shoud i create bugreport?
[12:17] <zorael> With asoundconf being removed from alsa-utils "in anticipation of the new GNOME volume control + pulse being more useful, allowing users to more easily control which sound card is used", what will Kubuntu use to change default alsa device? systemsettings -> multimedia works for xine, but for stuff that speaks directly to ALSA there doesn't seem to be an equavilent outside of asoundconf or manually toiling with .conf files
[12:17] <zorael> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/376024
[12:20] <zorael> environment-independent terminal tool(/script) removed in favor of GNOME-specific alternative ;/
[12:30] <ghostcube> wow asoundconf isnt this needed if i place an .asoundconf in my homefolder to map the devices to alsa or off alsa
[12:30] <ghostcube> ok then i definetly must use the debian sid packages again -_-
[12:30] <zorael> technically you could modify the file manually; asoundconf just makes it easier
[12:30] <ghostcube> ahhh ok
[12:31] <ghostcube> sorry
[12:32] <ghostcube> but isnt it a bit hard to wont fix this it wouldnt do any harm as i understand this correct
[12:33] <ghostcube> cause if he should extract asoundconf from jaunty this wont be more helpful
[12:33] <ghostcube> oO
[12:51] <Sput> seele: just curious, what's KDE Usability's view point on the File menu? several apps are getting rid of it (replacing it by something that makes more sense), on the other hand users seem to expect a File menu on the top left somehow
[12:51] <Sput> for Quassel, the naming doesn't make sense at all, and a menu called "Quassel" would be much better, probably
[12:53] <Nightrose> Sput: we had that for amarok but it made problems on osx iirc
[12:54] <Sput> Nightrose: my Amarok has an "Amarok" menu
[12:54] <Sput> instead of "File"
[12:54] <Sput> it's about the only app I know of that does this though
[12:54] <Nightrose> hmmm Orville might have special cased it
[12:54] <Sput> you can use menu hints for Mac
[12:54] <Sput> in Qt
[12:55] <Sput> if you use non-standard naming
[12:55] <Riddell> it's better than "Engage" :)
[12:56] <Nightrose> noooooooo :D
[12:56] <Nightrose> Engage was awesome ;-)
[12:57] <Riddell> kwwii: !
[12:57] <kwwii> ;)
[12:58] <Riddell> Nightrose: when seele saw that on Amarok she went into a corner to cry
[12:58] <Nightrose> *lol*
[12:58] <Nightrose> sorry seele
[13:01]  * Sput loved Engage
[13:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what did you do to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha5/Kubuntu ?
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: messed it up pretty bad, that's what
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> the page is still somewhere
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha5/Kubuntuold
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> but then I was going to copy alpha4 over to alpha5 so that we didn't have to reupload attachements
[13:38] <Riddell> is that possible?
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> I'm not even sure
[13:39] <Riddell> "A page with the name 'KarmicKoala/Alpha5/Kubuntu' already exists. Try a different name."
[13:39] <Riddell> no it doesn't
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's what I ran in to
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> anyway, it's all back to the right page now
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> just needs pics, plus documentation of features I missed
[13:48] <nixternal> Riddell: do you need some release notes?
[14:13] <Riddell> nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha5/Kubuntu needs updated
[14:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: how did you copy it in the end?
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: edit Kubuntuold, crtl+c, make new page, crtl+v
[14:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: For the next userconfig upload: userconfig: copyright-with-old-dh-make-debian-copyright
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> Mm, noted.
[14:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Also shouldn't it depend on kdesudo?
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> technically System Settings should, since it calls kdesudo with our patch
[14:16] <ScottK> OK.
[14:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.  It's actually in now.
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> Yay
[14:23] <nixternal> Riddell: I have to head out for about 30 minutes, and I will be back, but I have to do a MOTU Council meeting first and then i can update if needed, is that cool?
[14:24] <Riddell> ok
[14:31] <serzholino> KNetworkManager constantly crashes here in jaunty after upgrade from kde 4.3.0 to 4.3.1
[14:31] <serzholino> Here is the backtrace http://paste.ubuntu.com/264354/
[14:32] <Riddell> serzholino: I'll try and update knetworkmanager shortly, including for jaunty
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: did you see yesterday's discussion irt KDE3 KNM?
[14:35] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: nope
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> or earlier today, depending on your timezone I suppose
[14:35] <serzholino> Riddell: thanks
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/03/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t03:32 <- that's where the discussion was at
[14:37] <Riddell> I do think we should scrap the KDE 3 version
[14:37] <Riddell> I'm not terribly keen on renaming the packaging for the 10th time though especially since this frontend is ment to be just temporary before the plasmoid gets redone
[14:38] <davmor2> Riddell: desktop is covered I need to come back to alternate though so could do with some help please :)
[14:38] <yuriy_> any reason not to kill the kde3 version?
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: we're not renaming the source package, just splitting out the tray applet to network-manager-kde in our current source package
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> this way we can seed the tray applet for 9.10 without having the silly placeholder plasmoid installed
[14:40] <Riddell> easier just to not install the files for the placeholder
[14:41] <Quintasan> hiho
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> this is true
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> that would also allow us to sync easier, since we wouldn't have to Replace: higher versions of the applet
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> ^when we finally do sync with debian
[14:43]  * maco stabbity kmail
[14:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: which would?
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: not installing the files in the first place, means we could sync easier
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> when we finally do sync
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> sync or merge, whatever it comes to
[14:45] <Riddell> ok I'll do that now
[14:45] <Riddell> I'll also remove kde 3 version
[14:45] <Riddell> it'll still need a kconf update script to remove the plasmoid on upgrade though
[14:45] <rgreening> YAY! buh-bye kde 3
[14:46]  * rgreening drop-kiks it out of the room
[14:50] <Riddell> all gone
[14:51] <rgreening> * wheee
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> userconfig MIR done: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportUserconfig
[15:24] <maco> hey any of you use dimap in kmail?
[15:26] <yuriy_> i do normally, but haven't used it since my laptop died a couple months ago
[15:27] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: "nothing running as root"?
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> oh, doh
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> good catch
[15:31] <maco> how do you force kmail to redownload the list of folders?
[15:32] <maco> its only showing "inbox" on one account since it first downloaded the list when i wasnt on the vpn and thus got the wrong server. the only folder the two servers have in common is "inbox" so thats all its got. need to tell it to go pull the rest of the list of folders
[15:32] <maco> im getting sick of having to delete the account and reconfigure it every couple days
[15:33] <yuriy> checking mail on the account doesn't do it?
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> Anybody wanna help me close 92 KNetworkManager-KDE3 bugs? http://paste.ubuntu.com/264442/
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> There are some plasmoid issues I've seen mixed in, so it's not going to exactly be a mindless invalidationfest
[15:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I hear yuriy is doing a hug day for that
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: here's a boilerplate response I cooked up then: http://paste.ubuntu.com/264442/
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> oh, his email links to the plasma widget's source package
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: might I suggest a switch of focus then?
[15:40] <maco> yuriy: nope it only checks mail on inbox it doesnt download the folder list
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> oh, that bugday is today
[15:41] <sikor_sxe> hello, is it possible to get plasma-scriptengine-kimono for jaunty (kde 4.3.1 installed)?
[15:43] <Riddell> sikor_sxe: does such a thing exist?
[15:43] <sikor_sxe> Riddell: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3560
[15:43] <sikor_sxe> and apt-get suggests it exists
[15:44] <ScottK> Riddell: I just punted the no longer existing knetworkmanager off the dvd seed.
[15:44] <Riddell> ScottK: ta
[15:44] <ScottK> Got to make sure it stays dead.
[15:45] <Riddell> sikor_sxe: oh that's plasma-scriptengine-ruby
[15:45] <rgreening> kwwii: man that icon in ubs-creator-kde is niiiiiice! :)
[15:46] <sikor_sxe> Riddell: no, i mean the c# bindings
[15:47] <Riddell> sikor_sxe: dunno where the source for that is, it's not in http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/scriptengines/
[15:47] <sikor_sxe> weird :/
[15:47] <Riddell> sikor_sxe: looks like it's in kdebindings
[15:48] <Riddell> which is different from every other scriptengine, tsk
[15:48]  * yuriy didn't realize he was doing anything. i just forwarded the regular n-m hugday email because i thought people might want to participate in that
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: ah, ok :)
[15:49] <yuriy> i mean, i'd be all for it, but I don't really have time
[15:50] <maco> hrm also, ever since all the dimap folders on my machine just plain went missing every time i ok the kmail settings window it yells at me about those old directories not found, and i dont know why it still cares about them
[15:51] <sikor_sxe> Riddell: actually, there seems to be nothing in the kdebindings-kde4 deb
[15:52] <Riddell> sikor_sxe: that's just a meta package
[15:52] <Riddell> and the name should be changed by the looks of it
[15:52] <sikor_sxe> so, do you thing it is packaged somewhere in kubuntu?
[15:53] <Riddell> sikor_sxe: try libplasma2.0-cil ?
[15:54] <Riddell> that should be it
[15:54] <Riddell> no idea if it works though
[15:55] <sikor_sxe> thanks
[15:59] <spstarr> ScottK: ping
[15:59] <ScottK> spstarr: Pong.
[15:59] <spstarr> ScottK: I didn't notice anything unusual so far
[16:00] <ScottK> spstarr: What type of install did you do?
[16:00] <spstarr> other then that fsck error, - which i think is due to VirtualBox timing  ScottK Alternative amd64 Kubuntu
[16:01] <ScottK> spstarr: Great.  Was it the full disk option or manual partitioning?
[16:01] <spstarr> ScottK: went full disk option + LVM w/o encryption
[16:01] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:01] <spstarr> ScottK: manual i tried then aborted, and then did the above option
[16:02] <ScottK> spstarr: I've marked it in the ISO tracker.  Thanks.  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2973/63
[16:03] <Riddell> ScottK, seele, nixternal, JontheEchidna, Nightrose, rgreening, agateau: how does next thursday evening suit for a meeting?
[16:03] <spstarr> i can reinstall using manual if you like
[16:03]  * spstarr fires up VM
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: should be fine for me
[16:03] <nixternal> Riddell: works for me
[16:03] <agateau> Riddell: evening in which timezone?
[16:03] <Riddell> agateau: ours
[16:04] <ScottK> spstarr: It looks like manual has been done.  Pick one of the ones with no result yet: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2973
[16:04] <Riddell> say 21UTC
[16:04] <Nightrose> Riddell: should work
[16:04] <agateau> Riddell: fine with me
[16:04] <rgreening> Riddell: good
[16:04] <spstarr> ScottK: note I did not press F6 to enable "Expert mode" itself just the default expert alternative preseed setup
[16:04] <ScottK> OK
[16:04] <jussi01> Hrm, does anyone else lose Icons in open office when using the obsidian coast theme?
[16:05] <ScottK> Riddell: That's a bit of a complicated time for me.
[16:05] <spstarr> ScottK: that shouldn't make a difference though other than more verbose option choices
[16:05]  * ScottK nods
[16:05] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm free any time after 19:30UTC
[16:05] <ScottK> Urgh.
[16:06]  * ScottK tries TZ math.
[16:06] <seele> ScottK: -4 i think?
[16:06]  * ScottK is available for sure until 2000UTC
[16:06] <ScottK> seele: It is.
[16:07] <seele> I'm only available after 19:30 because of class
[16:07] <ScottK> 20 - 21 I need ~30 minutes to pick up one kid from school.
[16:07] <ScottK> I'm available after 0300 UTC.
[16:07] <seele> i can do before 18:00
[16:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you do it during the day your time?
[16:08] <Riddell> ScottK: I can, I'm going out at 17:00UTC
[16:08] <spstarr> hmm, thats what it wants eh
[16:09] <seele> Riddell: hot date? :)
[16:09] <spstarr> Guided partitioning:  Partition #1 EXT4 Primary,  Logical Partition #5 swap
[16:09] <Riddell> seele: yes, with my canoe club
[16:09] <seele> bah.. stinky sweaty men dont count
[16:09] <seele> ... unless youre in to that sort of thing
[16:09]  * seele oggles Riddell
[16:10] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm available after 1230UTC.
[16:10] <ScottK> seele: Can you make it anywhere between 1230 and 1700 UTC?
[16:11] <seele> ScottK: yep
[16:11] <Riddell> maybe 1500UTC?
[16:11] <spstarr> ScottK:  I'm not expecting this to fail since it is now already downloading bits :)
[16:12] <ScottK> nixternal, JontheEchidna, Nightrose, rgreening, agateau: How about you ^^^ next Thursday?
[16:12] <ScottK> Fine with me.
[16:12] <rgreening> Thursdays are great - anytime
[16:12] <seele> 1500 fine with me too
[16:12] <Nightrose> worksforme if it is not an endless meeting
[16:12] <ScottK> +1 for !endless meeting.
[16:12] <rgreening> Tuesday and Thursday - wife has Tango, so Im basically free all evening :)
[16:12] <Riddell> we're usually pretty good at ending on time
[16:13] <Riddell> rgreening: 1500UTC isn't your evening
[16:13] <spstarr> ScottK: trying with encrypted $HOME
[16:13] <seele> rgreening: it's 11AM EST
[16:13] <rgreening> Im at work, and the boss, so that works too
[16:13] <spstarr> ScottK: any reason Debian installer does not check if your password for user is strong enough? (Anaconda's does this)
[16:13] <rgreening> hehe
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sounds fine
[16:13] <spstarr> would be useful to do for Ubuntu/Kubuntu Servers
[16:13] <spstarr> :)
[16:13] <agateau> I'm fine with 1500UTC
[16:14] <spstarr> ScottK: same for Kubuntu's GUI installer
[16:14] <ScottK> spstarr: No idea.
[16:14] <ScottK> Please file a bug.
[16:14] <spstarr> wishlist item
[16:14] <ScottK> Against debian-installer and ubiquity
[16:14] <spstarr> ya
[16:15] <rgreening> on another note, usb-creator-kde with the new back-end (devicekit-disks) is coming along nicely. Less crashy/hoaky than using Hal. I'm realing liking the stability that devicekit brings
[16:15]  * JontheEchidna wonders when we'll see a devicekit hal backend
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> *devicekit solid backend
[16:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ervin seems to be putting it off
[16:19] <rgreening> heh
[16:20] <spstarr> odd, Ubiquity is supposed to say your password is 'weak' ?
[16:20] <spstarr> i didnt see that
[16:21] <spstarr> i will get the Kubuntu regular ISO in amoment
[16:21] <Riddell> maybe you had a good password?
[16:21] <spstarr> not even close lol :)
[16:21] <spstarr> but the debian installer i know did not prompt me for weak password notice at all so i can confirm that one
[16:21] <spstarr> in alternative cd
[16:22] <Riddell> it did for me
[16:22] <spstarr> !
[16:22] <spstarr> Riddell: alternative or regular?
[16:23] <Riddell> both
[16:23] <Riddell> ubiquity and d-i
[16:25] <spstarr> hmmmmmm
[16:25] <spstarr> then the password I used just cannot be that safe,  if i told you you'd say what!
[16:25] <spstarr> heh
[16:25] <davmor2> spstarr: did for me
[16:25] <davmor2> does your password have 8 letters?
[16:25] <spstarr> 9 letters
[16:26] <spstarr> but all letters and no numbers
[16:26] <davmor2> that's a pass
[16:26] <spstarr> and simple words joined [2]
[16:26] <spstarr> like  helloworld
[16:26] <davmor2> it only checks the length
[16:26] <spstarr> davmor2: *ouch*
[16:26]  * spstarr clarifies his bug then
[16:26] <davmor2> spstarr: it does recommend what to use though
[16:27] <spstarr> davmor2: lemme check that....
[16:27] <kwwii> rgreening: hehe, happy I finished it :)
[16:27] <spstarr> just finished a alternative CD install w/ guided partitioning used
[16:28] <spstarr> failed
[16:28] <davmor2> spstarr: if it doesn't get on to shtylman cause it should :)
[16:28] <spstarr> ScottK: I believe this is VirtualBox specific but fsck is failing on first boot up
[16:28] <spstarr> the superblock time  only
[16:28] <rgreening> kwwii: yeah. It is much appreciated
[16:28] <spstarr> 'is in the future'
[16:29] <ScottK> agateau: Before we upload your "Ayatana mode" patches, I'd like to see sebas' technical questions on the code resolved.  Perhaps you could put it in a PPA in the meantime for people to try it out?
[16:29] <davmor2> no known bug
[16:29] <spstarr> ScottK: running fsck manually, fixes it, then it boots up normally, odd
[16:29] <agateau> ScottK: good idea
[16:29]  * agateau brush up his PPA skills
[16:30] <spstarr> ScottK: if you didn't see this with alternative then it likely is virtualization specific
[16:30] <ScottK> spstarr: I didn't test alternate.  Riddell: Did you?
[16:30] <spstarr> davmor2: testing password dialog now in alternative...
[16:30] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, in duplicate
[16:31] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[16:31] <ScottK> davmor2: Can you help spstarr get an account on the iso tracker?
[16:31]  * ScottK doesn't recall how one does it.
[16:32] <davmor2> spstarr: go to iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[16:33] <davmor2> top right says login click on it that will take you to the login/sign up page iirc
[16:33] <davmor2> Yes just click on new account
[16:34] <spstarr> davmor2: use my launchpad username or they aren't connected?
[16:34] <spstarr> 'ShawnStarr' otherwise spstarr
[16:34] <davmor2> spstarr: they are currently no connected that I know to but I signed up a long time ago
[16:35] <spstarr> i'll just use my standard name then
[16:36] <spstarr> ok registered on site now at the password dialog
[16:36] <spstarr> "A good password will contain...."
[16:36] <davmor2> spstarr: once you have an account click on kubuntu then click on the iso your testing then on the partitioning method then whether it passes etc
[16:36] <spstarr> ok
[16:37] <spstarr> "You entered a password that consists of less than eight characters which is considered too weak..."
[16:37] <spstarr> so it does not check for type just for length
[16:37] <ScottK> I marked your encrypted test as done.
[16:37] <davmor2> spstarr: currently yes
[16:38] <spstarr> ScottK: when you say test how much testing I need to go though the full test first no?
[16:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I can't do any netbook install testing for another several hours (I need it to actually work for something 1700 - 1800 UTC today, so I'm not messing with it).
[16:38] <ScottK> spstarr: We'd like to get as many of the tests done as possible.
[16:39] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm comfortable though that if one of the netbook install options works, they should all work ~as well ad desktop.
[16:39] <spstarr> lemme look at the full tests then
[16:39] <ScottK> I don't think lack of netbook install tests should hold things up.
[16:39] <Riddell> I tested netbook
[16:39] <Riddell> looks good for me besides the stuff we know about
[16:39] <Riddell> new network manager for testing http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.1~svn1017841-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[16:40] <spstarr> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateExpert <-- doing it fully...
[16:40] <spstarr> i am doing this one right now
[16:41] <davmor2> spstarr: if you're going to test on a regular basis if you go into my profile you can select to get mailed when there are tests.  You just nee to subscribe to the test you want to do then.
[16:44] <spstarr> davmor2: more on demand :)
[16:47] <spstarr> er
[16:47] <spstarr> any reason Swap is logical #5?
[16:47] <spstarr> er
[16:47] <Quintasan> hmm anyone knows something about status of proprietary drives in Karmic?
[16:47] <spstarr> #1, #5, #6 when using /home
[16:48] <spstarr> you want swap as close to the beginning of disk sure
[16:48] <spstarr> that is right then
[16:49] <spstarr> I usually would make it a primary vs logical normally in the old days
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> pwned! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager
[16:56] <rgreening> spstarr: /boot should be closest to beginning. ANd unless you seperate /boot from /, then / needs to be closest :)
[16:56] <spstarr> bug in webpage
[16:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: awooga!
[16:56] <spstarr> rgreening: boot yeah, but swap should be close too
[16:56]  * JontheEchidna feels sorry for those subscribed to the kubuntu-bugs bugmail funnel
[16:57] <spstarr> ScottK: found bug in http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateExpert
[16:57] <ScottK> spstarr: Please file the bug in LP or get the bug number if it's there already.
[16:57] <rgreening> spstarr: swap is rarely used  any more, expect suspend. I rarely see my swap touched in my desktops (unless something runs away, in which case close or far aint helping)
[16:57] <spstarr> ScottK: a missing step :)
[16:57] <spstarr> rgreening: i still get 80k of swap used sometimes ;)
[16:58] <rgreening> scary hahaha
[16:58] <spstarr> oh i can edit the page
[16:58] <ScottK> Excellent
[16:59] <spstarr> ScottK: you'll see in a moment
[17:00] <jkary> Hello folks.... I was hoping someone would be available to help me with the training earlier this week from Ubuntu-Developers.  I was working on getting the plasma demo to work however I am running Jaunty and the deployment appears to be slightly different.
[17:01] <spstarr> ScottK: partner repository option :)
[17:04] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: I can fix that for you if you like...
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: fix what?
[17:05] <Riddell> jkary: using KDE 4.2 or 4.3
[17:05] <Riddell> ?
[17:06] <jussi01> [18:56:10] <JontheEchidna> pwned! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> I'd just close it. :P KNM-kde3 is unmaintained.
[17:06] <jussi01> oh, its the kde3 one... ok then..ö
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[17:08]  * jussi01 wishes the kde4 one would get the mobile broadband list integrated so he doesnt have to download the gnome nm everytime...
[17:08] <Riddell> anyone on jaunty able to test knetworkmanager?
[17:09] <jkary> Riddell: plasmapkg -v tells me Qt: 4.5.0 KDE: 4.2.2 Plasma Package Manager: 0.1
[17:10] <Riddell> jkary: do you have plasma-python installed?
[17:10] <Riddell> jkary: sorry, python-plasma
[17:34] <jkary> Riddell: Yes 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu2
[17:36] <jkary> Riddell:  The error I'm seeing is plasmainviewer(11219) /libplasma Plasma::CoronaPrivate::addContainment: loading of containment "null" failed.
[17:37] <jkary> plasmoid(11219) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath:  not found"
[17:39] <Riddell> jkary: hmm, maybe it needs 4.3
[17:45] <nixternal> Riddell: ok, what needs updating in the release notes?
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I noticed that kde-l10n-ca didn't get updated to 4.3.1
[17:49] <nixternal> I will brb
[17:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that and -pl and -sr are sitting here for me to do
[17:52] <Riddell> hi Lure, I added kipi-plugins to the CD
[17:52] <Riddell> nixternal: ^^ for one
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kk, just making sure you knew
[17:52] <Riddell> nixternal: facebook and googlecalendar plasmoids now on
[17:52] <Riddell> screenshow of message indicator with kopete maybe
[17:53]  * JontheEchidna replaced openDesktop with googlecalendar on the release notes
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> facebook still needs adding
[17:55] <Lure> Riddell: thanks!
[17:56]  * Lure needs to run to business dinner now
[18:01]  * spstarr looks at his kdm login prompt
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> alpha5 release hitting soon? The Ubuntu page seems to be up
[18:15] <spstarr> ScottK:  Someone confirmed this as  areal bug
[18:16] <spstarr> bug #423247
[18:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's out.
[18:17] <spstarr> i thought it was virtualbox but it's not :)
[18:23] <jkary> Riddell: Do you know if Jaunty has a source for kde4.3?
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> jkary: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3.1
[18:24] <neversfelde> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3.1
[18:24] <neversfelde> :)
[18:26] <jkary> neversfelde:  THANKS!
[18:34] <jkary> Riddell: I just upgraded to KDE 4.3... Now running plasmapkg -v reveals : Qt: 4.5.2, KDE: 4.3.1, Plasma Package Manager: 0.1  Still getting the same error.
[18:39] <spstarr> davmor2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/423415
[18:39] <spstarr> davmor2: I have two r6xx's i could not trigger this on live CD
[18:40] <spstarr> although I noticed it took longer to probe for video it eventually did load
[18:42] <davmor2> spstarr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/423415/comments/10
[18:44] <spstarr> i didnt see that
[18:44] <spstarr> oh
[18:44] <spstarr> wait..
[18:44] <spstarr> the video was small
[18:44] <spstarr> i just ignored it since i was still able to install :)
[18:54] <jkary> ok... I fixed my problem.
[18:56] <jkary> Upgrade to kde3.4 & You need to zip plasma-foo.plasmoid and then install plasmapkg -i plasma-foo.plasmoid
[18:56] <jkary> thanks for the help!
[19:01] <jkary> oh and it looks like i needed the following in my metadata.desktop X-KDE-PluginInfo-Version=0.1
[19:05] <ScottK> Riddell: The video here is apparently working with Konqueror, but not Firefox on Karmic: http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/06/22/compiz-cube-video-tutorial-part-3/
[19:05] <ScottK> \o/
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> works here in FF
[19:06] <ScottK> Hmm.
[19:06] <ScottK> Must be a maco specific problem then.
[19:07] <maco> as usual
[19:07] <maco> i live on a rift where more bugs exist
[19:08] <davmor2> maco: I must live the other side of it
[19:08]  * JontheEchidna much prefers the KWin effects settings dialog
[19:10] <ghostcube> less telling unneded things in the vid would help
[19:10] <ghostcube> :D
[19:12] <ghostcube> hmm i dont get whats so hard to set up the cube in ccsm
[19:12] <ghostcube> and set all effects for it
[19:35] <nixternal> I take it the release notes got done before I could mess with them..everything seems to be on there that you requested Riddell
[19:40] <nixternal> got userconfig just in time....are there going to be more UI changes to it before next week? what is happening with KUser?
[19:40] <nixternal> JontheEchidna, Riddell ^^
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> UI changes... dunno, yuriy's been doing all the dev stuff for the past few months
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> Once it gets promoted to main we plan to have it replace KUser
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> No major UI changes, I would imagine
[19:55] <Blizzz> erm, i have huge issues with my intel on karmic, but found no exisiting report, surprisingly, because with effects activated its totally unusable. window decorations flicker and repaint errors. having more than half a dozen windows on one screen, everything flickers, keyboard doesn't react (except on ctrl+alt+backspace) and mouse only on few things (e.g. button clicks don't work). normal when effects are turned off.
[20:04] <yuriy> nixternal: no more UI changes planned for karmic. the UI now is mostly the same as the kde3 version
[20:12] <Blizzz> oops, sry, my fault, some x-edgers-ppa-packages left :( now i'm fully back to karmic and it looks ok at first sight
[20:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: userconfig seems to work reasonably well.  It shows up under advanced/system here though.  I'd have expected it on the general config page, not advanced.
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: know anything about ^^?
[20:37] <nixternal> yuriy: groovy, thanks
[20:40] <yuriy> ScottK: I put it there (a) because it requires admin privileges to run and (b) because it's still not the most user friendly thing in the world - i think it's advanced in that it pretty much just exposes all the settings in /etc/group|passwd|shadow
[20:40] <rgreening_> Anyone know anything about testing translations and getting them to work with python?
[20:41] <rgreening_> I need someone to test usb-creator-kde and see if translations do anything and help me debug/fix to use the gtk supplied .mo files
[20:41] <ScottK> Considering KUser is exposed directly in the menu and not even in systemsettings, I think hiding it in advanced is a going a bit far.
[20:44] <Nightrose> wohoooooooooooo http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2009-09/msg00006.html
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> I think it would fit better in "computer administration" than "system"
[20:44] <Nightrose> pretty please someone get that into ubuntu
[20:44] <Nightrose> you'd make my day
[20:44] <Nightrose> week!
[20:45] <Nightrose> month maybe even
[20:45] <yuriy> seele: what do you think? my rationale: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Guidance/Userconfig
[20:55] <yuriy> Nightrose: yes that would be amazing
[20:56] <Nightrose> hehe yea - we just need someone to package I guess
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> The integration appears to be a patch to firefox itself
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> dunno how keen the mozila team would be on that
[21:09] <ScottK> They'd have to get mozilla corp buy off on it.
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> ubuntu mozilla team?
[21:10] <ScottK> They = ubuntu-mozillateam, yes
[21:14] <nixternal> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyp5bX_NV6k
[21:14] <nixternal> check that out ^^
[21:16] <a|wen> nice!
[21:17] <nixternal> ok, who is gonna go steal the patches? :)
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> i haz source rpm all extracted
[21:17] <nixternal> gotta love build.opensuse.org...stops you from having to do all of that :)
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> huh, well that that was a waste of a 70 MB download
[21:18] <nixternal> lol
[21:18] <a|wen> hmm, skanlite in the archive is version 0.3-kde4.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 ... we either want to update or fix version?
[21:21] <neversfelde> a|wen: all extragear packages are *~ppa1 afair, Riddel said, that it is not a problem
[21:23] <a|wen> oh, really ... I find that kind of confusing; but it's probably okay then
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> well, it's not good practice
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> but it's not the end of the world either
[21:24] <a|wen> agreed
[21:26] <neversfelde> meh, amarok's lyrics script is broken again
[21:27] <Nightrose> neversfelde: fix is in git
[21:27] <Nightrose> didn't make it in beta 1 though
[21:27] <neversfelde> Nightrose: I backported that script a few days ago, is there a new one?
[21:27] <neversfelde> ah ok
[21:27] <Nightrose> jep they changed url
[21:30] <neversfelde> cover download is broken, too. I guess it will not be easy to fix that for 2.1
[21:30] <Nightrose> nope
[21:30] <Nightrose> fixed in 2.2 though
[21:30] <Nightrose> which you want anyway ;-)
[21:31] <neversfelde> will 2.2 be in karmic?
[21:31] <Nightrose> if we can tag it by 28th that's the plan
[21:31] <Nightrose> hoping FFE and all will work out
[21:31] <neversfelde> ok, then I will suspend work on fixing the cover downloads
[21:32] <neversfelde> Nightrose: thank you for the information
[21:32] <Nightrose> np
[21:41] <neversfelde> can someone unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors-main from bug 409407
[21:42] <ScottK> neversfelde: Done
[21:44] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks
[22:23] <ghostcube> so i finally fixed my network probs :) i took wicd as long as kde is borked
[22:23] <ghostcube> :)
[22:25] <skreech> What's borjed?
[22:25] <skreech> Brjork
[22:25] <skreech> Bah
[22:25] <skreech> Borked
[22:25] <neversfelde> networkmanager is working perfectly on 3 karmic installations here
[22:25] <ScottK> ghostcube: Here too (on two)
[22:26] <ghostcube> jaunty here folks :D
[22:26] <ScottK> Oh.
[22:26] <ScottK> I got one working fine on Jaunty
[22:26] <neversfelde> There seem to be some problems with Atheros chipsets, I couldn't figure out, what the problem was. A reinstall helped to solve.
[22:26] <ghostcube> borked is broken in nerdish afaik
[22:26] <ghostcube> ScottK: it cant handle my eth1 wired network
[22:26] <ScottK> Actually 3 (1 wireless and 2 wired)
[22:27] <ScottK> Weird.
[22:27] <ghostcube> :D
[22:27] <neversfelde> I like wicd's curses frontend, we should think about shipping it as a fallback
[22:27] <ScottK> ghostcube: Actually I think it's a politically derived term.
[22:27] <neversfelde> anyway, too late now :)
[22:27] <ghostcube> yeah wicd as a fallback would be cool
[22:28] <neversfelde> ghostcube: It cannot coexit with networkmanager, but it would be not bad to have it on the dvd
[22:28] <ghostcube> hmm ScottKno idea so far i first heard it in irc ;)
[22:29] <ghostcube> yeah i know it removes NM but it is handy if you cant get NM to work but its in universe afaik in jaunty or ?
[22:29] <ScottK> At least I never heard the term until after Robert Bork get rejected from the US Supreme Court.
[22:29] <ghostcube> oh ok
[22:30] <ghostcube> i have an asusu mobo with attanasic (ex atheros) onboard
[22:30] <ghostcube> atl1e
[22:30] <ghostcube> maybe this is causing treouble
[22:30] <skreech> having a conflicted file inteh koffice beta install
[22:31] <skreech>  kpresenter-kde4 conflicts over /usr/share/pixmaps/kpresenter.xpm with kpresenter-data
[22:31] <neversfelde> skreech: I'll have a look at it
[22:31] <skreech> Jaunty
[22:32] <neversfelde> skreech: would you copy the whole output to a pastebin?
[22:34] <skreech> http://pastebin.com/f31d8074
[22:35] <neversfelde> skreech: thank you
[22:40] <skreech> Can I override it in the meantime?
[22:41] <neversfelde> skreech: I think so
[23:43] <Riddell> nobody able to test knetworkmanager?
[23:48] <neversfelde> Riddell: which package?
[23:48] <neversfelde> and where it is?
[23:50] <Riddell> neversfelde: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.1~svn1017841-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[23:50] <Riddell> for karmic
[23:50] <Riddell> tmp/jaunty for jaunty
[23:51] <neversfelde> Riddell: I can test it for karmic
[23:51] <Riddell> great
[23:52] <skreech> Riddell: how would I override a shared file conflict in apt?
[23:52] <Riddell> skreech: dpkg --install --force-overwrite  foo.deb
[23:53] <skreech> ah right dpkg :) I keep forgetting that
[23:53] <neversfelde> skreech: is this still koffice 2.0.81?
[23:57] <skreech> neversfelde: It's the last release on the Kubuntu.org site
[23:58] <skreech> I'm trying to test tables and loading docs to submit bugs
[23:58] <skreech> Kpresenter got stuck part way though :-)
[23:58] <neversfelde> skreech: ok, it will be fixed with *~ppa4
[23:59] <skreech> grand :)
[23:59] <neversfelde> Riddell: works good with wpa2, I'm going to search someone with jaunty, who can test it there