[00:00] <trothigar> bdmurray, so even if the bug status is new I should leave it?
[00:01] <bdmurray> well, I changed it to Triaged.  In Progress or Triaged would be fine.
[02:55] <hggdh> dtchen, ping
[02:57] <dtchen> hggdh: pong
[02:58] <hggdh> hi dtchen, two questions, (1) I have been trying to report a PA bug (high CPU utilisation), but ubuntu-bug/apport refused to deal with it
[02:58] <hggdh> (2) there are some bugs, seemingly similar, on PA on malloc/free issues; should I leave them open/new, or can I dup them to the oldest?
[02:59] <hggdh> oh, and thank you for the class
[03:00] <dtchen> hggdh: they should all be fixed with the snapshot that's currently building in the ppa
[03:00] <dtchen> hggdh: however, i'm not at a dev machine, so i can't verify whether the one malloc issue i've been able to trigger is fixed
[03:01] <dtchen> hggdh: so, please leave them open; i have them all tagged locally
[03:01] <hggdh> will do, thanks
[03:01] <dtchen> hggdh: and, np
[04:12] <micahg1> ugh, I really wish there was a way to remove comments sometimes
[04:13] <hggdh> so do I, so do I...
[04:21] <micahg> I just e-mailed a bug a comment I meant for a triager
[04:21] <micahg> :(
[04:21] <hggdh> heh
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[08:35] <blackest_knight> hi i've got a weird audio issue i get audio out from the audio in jack and nothing from audio out jack
[09:06] <ccm> somebody of you using the hug-tools?
[09:11] <thekorn> ccm, soory, which hug-tools? or do you mean the hugday-tools
[09:13] <ccm> thekorn: yes, i mean "hugday"
[09:13] <ccm> I just tried to set it up (the version from karmic with the wiki documentation)
[09:13] <thekorn> ccm, ok, so yes, I'm using them
[09:13] <ccm> I ran into the problem that it seems I don't have a cookie named MOIN*
[09:14] <thekorn> hmm ok
[09:14] <thekorn> let me check
[09:14] <ccm> maybe that is related to the now openid stuff?
[09:14] <thekorn> no, once you logged in into the wiki there should be a MOIN cookie
[09:15] <thekorn> that's at least how it worked in the past
[09:15] <ccm> thekorn: okay, i will check that again
[09:17] <thekorn> ccm, hugday init --user thekorn --cookie ~/.mozilla/firefox/anwhxcak.default/cookies.sqlite   works for me
[09:20] <ccm> thekorn: now it works
[09:20] <ccm> thekorn: i will update the wiki documentation
[09:25] <thekorn> ccm, super, thanks
[09:28] <ccm> thekorn: done. you can review if you like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Tools?action=diff&rev2=7&rev1=5
[09:29] <ccm> hi bdrung_ :)
[09:29] <thekorn> ccm, aha, sounds good, good point
[09:30] <ccm> thekorn: yeah, you get a crappy error message "cannot handle format" which does help you otherwise
[09:30] <ccm> nice tool, by the way
[09:31]  * thekorn adds "improving this error message" to his TODO
[09:32] <thekorn> glad you like it
[09:35] <bdrung_> hi ccm
[10:07] <matti> :)
[11:00] <Vorik> Im running an updated version of karmic on a MSI wind u100. Most of the times in GDM, the display brightness bounces around between 2 levels. (like twice a second)
[11:01] <Vorik> When logged in, it sometimes happens also (spontaniously)
[15:37] <bddebian> Boo
[16:15] <hggdh> baBOO
[16:35] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week will start in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:07] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone help with this bug LP 414795 ?
[17:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414795 in pulseaudio "PC beep no longer works in Karmic alpha4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414795
[17:40] <bdmurray> seb128: Should the desktop bugs team be subscribed to gnome-disk-utility bugs?
[17:40] <seb128> doesn't make a difference I would say
[17:40] <seb128> I doubt anybody manage to read all the desktop-bugs emails anyway
[17:41] <seb128> pedro_, ^ opinion?
[17:43] <pedro_> seb128, bdmurray that's ok for me
[17:46] <pedro_> bdmurray, could you subscribe the team to libgweather and gtksourceview2  as well?
[17:47] <pedro_> most of the time we reassign bugs to those products, there's not a lot of people filing the bugs directly there, but anyways just in case
[17:50] <bdmurray> pedro_: done
[17:50] <pedro_> bdmurray, thanks!
[17:58] <mac_v> bdmurray: hi... a few ayatana bugs have been lost in a black hole :( , this was due to recent naming change of ayatana > the ayatana project... bugs which existed in ayatana alone are now inaccessible , any way we could recover them?
[17:59] <mac_v> the bugs were invalidated to facilitate the name change
[18:02] <bdmurray> mac_v: I'm not really following.  Can you give me an example bug or the exact names of the projects?
[18:03] <mac_v> bug #397724
[18:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 397724 in dead-ayatana "clipboard uses both selection and traditional clipboard (might be misleading)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397724
[18:04] <bdmurray> wouldn't also affects project + new project name add a task where you want it?
[18:04] <mac_v> i dint follow?
[18:05] <bdmurray> click "+ Also affects project".  type in mane of the new ayatana project and you should be good to go
[18:05] <bdmurray> s/mane/name/
[18:05] <mac_v> bdmurray: the thing is , bugs which existed in ayatana alone , are now *not* accessible , since it points to DEAD-ayatana
[18:06] <mac_v> bdmurray: just click on the lp link above , you'll see what i mean
[18:06] <bdmurray> mac_v: what's the name of the right project?
[18:07] <mac_v> bdmurray: hmm... now , i dont think ayatana is accepting bugs , but they can be changed back to papercuts
[18:08] <bdmurray> mac_v: see this for what I mean https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/397724
[18:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 397724 in dead-ayatana "clipboard uses both selection and traditional clipboard (might be misleading)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:08] <bdmurray> on stagigng
[18:09] <mac_v> bdmurray: \o/ how did you do that?
[18:10] <mac_v> did you add the papercuts?
[18:13] <mac_v> bdmurray: so basically such dead projects can be accessed from the .staging. site?
[18:13] <bdmurray> I clicked also affects project beneath the tasks on the bug page and then chose the right project name
[18:13] <bdmurray> I don't understand how the project is "dead"
[18:14] <bdmurray> the initial bug link you gave me was fine, I was just using staging as an example to show how to do it w/o really modifying the bug report
[18:14] <mac_v> bdmurray: "Launchpad bug --- in dead-ayatana" , see the ubottu response
[18:14] <bdmurray> they just renamed the project to dead-ayatana it doesn't mean anything
[18:14] <mac_v> oh!
[18:15] <mac_v> bdmurray: i thought that since the "ayatana" was closed and started again as the "The Ayatana project" , the old one was named dead ;p
[18:16] <mac_v> s/was named/got auto named
[18:18] <AnAnt> Hello, is the bug LP 328080 linked to upstream properly ?
[18:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 328080 in verilog "Cryptic error message when passing events to functions." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328080
[18:19] <AnAnt> I ask because I was not able to add an upstream bug URL via "Affects project" button
[18:19] <bdmurray> AnAnt: looking
[18:19] <AnAnt> thanks
[18:22] <bdmurray> AnAnt: the problem here is there is no upstream project info
[18:23] <AnAnt> bdmurray: and ?
[18:23] <bdmurray> AnAnt: I'm looking into it
[18:23] <AnAnt> oh
[18:24] <mac_v> !logs
[18:24] <ubot4> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[18:32] <AnAnt> bdmurray: well, sorry, I have to run now, I'll try to be back after a couple of hours
[18:33] <bdmurray> AnAnt: okay, its been a bit since I've done this
[18:37] <mac_v> bdmurray: why is it not allowing to just change the project? is says > Not Found Object: , name: u'dead-ayatana'
[18:37] <bdmurray> mac_v: how are you changing it?
[18:38] <mac_v> i'm just trying to switch the project , instead of using the "Also affects"
[18:38] <mac_v> wont that work now?
[18:39] <bdmurray> I don't believe changing projects works.  I'm pretty sure there is a bug about that.  That's why I said also affects project.
[18:40] <mac_v> changing projects , doesnt work only for this , i just change a few other normal bugs , using that :( ,its just not allowing ayatana :(
[18:40] <bdmurray> are you sure it was changing projects and not changing packages?
[18:41] <mac_v> bdmurray: hmm... i change the hundred papercuts , to NULL , those are projects or packages?
[18:42] <bdmurray> mac_v: hmm, that is a project
[18:42] <mac_v> yeah
[18:42] <bdmurray> jcastro: someone was trying to add a bug watch to bug 328080 and I don't recall how to setup the upstream project.
[18:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 328080 in verilog "Cryptic error message when passing events to functions." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328080
[18:43] <mac_v> bdmurray: as i said earlier , i believe the "dead" was not due to renaming , but rather since the bug was closed
[18:43] <mac_v> s/bug/project
[18:43] <jcastro> looking!
[18:43] <mac_v> bdmurray: i'll use also affects for now , and ask you for help for those which dont allow :)
[18:44] <jcastro> ugh
[18:44] <jcastro> series
[18:46] <mac_v> bdmurray: or could you look at this > error ID  OOPS-1342F1736    , pls :)
[18:46] <ubot4> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1342F1736
[18:47] <greg-g> neat, bugzilla.gnome automagically collapses backtraces in the webview
[18:47] <jcastro> bdmurray: created and linked
[18:48] <bdmurray> mac_v: you'd be better off asking about OOPSes in #launchpad
[18:48] <mac_v> hehe , ok ;)
[18:48] <bdmurray> jcastro: right but how did you do it?
[18:51] <jcastro> oh, you have to create an entirely new project
[18:51] <jcastro> so from the lp front page, create new project
[18:51] <jcastro> then you have to go find the upstream home page, get the license right, etc.
[18:53] <jcastro> after it's in lp then it allows you to link bugs to it
[18:53] <bdmurray> so its still quite some work then
[18:54] <jcastro> yes, but we've got the major ones
[18:54] <jcastro> usually when I do it now is when an upstream breaks up into things, so from like "foo" to "foo-data" "foo-frontend" or something
[18:56] <bdmurray> jcastro: okay, thanks for the help!
[18:57] <jcastro> no worries!
[18:57] <jcastro> I haven't had to make one in a while!
[19:01] <greg-g> jcastro: those can't be auto-created based off of the packaging information? :) But I suppose we've already passed the point where not many new projects need to be created in LP
[19:02] <jcastro> I /think/ maybe the first time they did it
[19:02] <jcastro> at the beginning I spent alot of time making them
[19:03] <jcastro> IMO it should let you link to any bug tracker and make a watch, but it's designed to not let you do that.
[19:03] <jcastro> it makes you fill in all this stuff for some kind of meta-launchpad take-over-the-world reason
[19:04] <jcastro> *shrug*
[19:09] <bdmurray> jcastro: Ideally this should be part of the adding a package to Ubuntu process too
[19:10] <micahg> bdmurray: can we get the ls-duplicate script into the package ubuntu-qa-tools?
[19:11] <bdmurray> see the attachment in bug 225588 for an easter egg of sorts
[19:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 225588 in qcomicbook "qcomicbook hangs when opening zip archives" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225588
[19:31] <bdmurray> hggdh: okay I think there is something wrong with gmane - http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.linux.ubuntu.bugs.general looking around there it stops around 30 Mar 2009
[19:46] <hggdh> bdmurray, sometimes it does, sometimes it does not.
[19:46] <hggdh> I cannot -- yet -- understand why
[19:46] <hggdh> but if you search for a specific author, it goes beyond March
[19:47] <hggdh> this is why I am considering hosting the archive
[19:51] <greg-g> jcastro: yeah, one LP to rule them all and all that
[19:54] <bdmurray> hggdh: the ones that do show up past 20090330 are universe bugs
[19:54] <bdmurray> gmane.linux.ubuntu.bugs.universe:122878 <- notice the universe there
[19:56] <bdmurray> there is ubuntu.bugs.general and ubuntu.bugs.universe which are different mailing lists
[19:56] <hggdh> oh bloody hell. Only Universe, then. Let me try to contact gmane
[19:57] <bdmurray> hggdh: great thanks, and please cc me as I'm the mailing list admin
[20:03] <hggdh> bdmurray, will do
[20:03] <bdmurray> hggdh: awesome thanks!
[20:11] <hggdh> bdmurray, done. I guess we will have to wait for tomorrow, since it is already night there.
[20:27] <^arky^> hi, question why so many unlinked bugs get assigned to yelp?
[20:28] <^arky^> Is it coz report bug using help system or something ?
[20:29] <bdmurray> ^arky^: yes a lot of people use help report a problem from yelp, but I think pedro_ is working on a patch for that
[20:29] <^arky^> good to hear
[20:29] <bdmurray> hggdh: do you know when the people.ubuntu to people.canonical change happened?
[20:29] <^arky^> jcastro: you around man?
[20:30] <jcastro> ^arky^: yo
[20:30] <hggdh> bdmurray, no I do not. I *know* it happened, but not when
[20:30] <hggdh> 2 years ago?
[20:30] <^arky^> yesterday I volunteered to be upstream contact for gnome-orca
[20:31] <pedro_> ^arky^, right, i've created a small apport hook for that case ; bug 418156
[20:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418156 in yelp "Yelp Apport Hook" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418156
[20:31] <pedro_> ^arky^, most of the reporters on yelp think that the app is for asking for help rather than search it by yourself on the docs
[20:31] <pedro_> so i hope that those small set of questions will help to solve that
[20:32] <^arky^> yeah, perhaps you should merge it with apport if the patch is complete, it would really bring the volume of 'assignment-needed' bugs
[20:33] <pedro_> i don't have the rights to merge it ;-)
[20:33] <pedro_> it should be reviewed and applied to yelp instead though
[20:33] <jcastro> ^arky^: there's no seperate field for upstream contacts yet, so subscribing to the bugs should be sufficient for now
[20:33] <^arky^> yup you are right
[20:34] <^arky^> thanks jcastro , is there way that I subscribe to all the bugs in a package by default
[20:34] <jcastro> yeah, one sec
[20:35] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gnome-orca
[20:35] <jcastro> click on "Subscribe to bug mail"
[20:35] <jcastro> (that works for any project)
[20:36] <jcastro> warning: you'll want to make sure your filtering in your mailer is set up
[20:36] <jcastro> on some projects that can totally demolish your inbox
[20:41] <^arky^> thanks for the warning jcastro
[20:41] <^arky^> pedro_: the hooks works fine to me, just one suggest perhaps we need to rephrase the return message for request for help
[20:47] <^arky^> jcastro: Thanks I am following gnome-orca, speech-dispatcher and accerciser
[20:48] <jcastro> rock and roll!
[20:48] <^arky^> Perhaps it would be really wonderful if someone from bugsquad wants to take me under their wing and mentor me
[20:48] <jcastro> just ask here, that's what I do
[20:49] <jcastro> and attend a hug day, that should be enough
[20:49] <^arky^> :)
[20:50] <^arky^> yeah, that I do
[20:51] <^arky^> bug 328946 : Trying to build a package without ubuntu patches to zero in on the problem. The ubuntu sounds defeated me so far
[20:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 328946 in gnome-power-manager "Improve Audio Notification When Plugged In" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328946
[21:02] <AnAnt> Hello, how did you guys do the bug watch ?
[21:04] <blackest_knight> how to get rid of something on a gnome panel when you cant right click it?
[21:04] <LordMetroid> I just file bugs, I do not watch them
[21:04] <blackest_knight> wrong window
[21:04] <LordMetroid> Except at times when I am playing zoologist
[21:05] <AnAnt> ah, create a project in LP
[21:07] <AnAnt> jcastro: so for every upstream software, there must be an LP project page for it ?
[21:07] <jcastro> to link a bug to it, yeah
[21:07] <jcastro> because lp needs to know where the bug tracker is and all that
[21:07] <jcastro> but we have pages for most of them
[21:09] <AnAnt> ok
[21:11] <AnAnt> thanks
[21:11] <^arky^> Where should bug 423938 reassigned to? gnome-desktop ?
[21:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 423938 in ubuntu "gnome window should work with keyboard." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423938
[21:21] <BUGabundo> boas
[21:24] <pedro_> ^arky^, don't think so, seems he's referring to the window manager, not sure which one though, could you ask him?
[21:25] <pedro_> ^arky^, i don't know what he's requesting there either, since you can do that with both window managers, so a better description is needed as well ;-)
[21:27] <^arky^> sure, doing that
[22:32] <Tumie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/423875
[22:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 423875 in ubuntu "About Ubuntu says something about Pidgin, but Empathy is installed." [Undecided,New]
[22:32] <Tumie> can somebody take a look at that?
[22:32] <Tumie> i think somebody didn't understand it right
[22:33] <Tumie> i'm also going to make a screenshot right now
[22:35] <micahg> Tumie: thank you for reporting this, the screenshot will be helpful to see where to assign this
[22:36] <Tumie> http://84.29.145.221/Screenshot.png << here is the screenshot
[22:37] <micahg> Tumie: can you attach it to the bug please
[22:37] <Tumie> ok
[22:38] <micahg> bdmurray: what's the ubuntu installer called? ubiquity?
[22:38] <bdmurray> micahg: yes, that is the gui version of the installer
[22:38] <micahg> so the screenshot above is of ubiquity?
[22:39] <Tumie> so.. the package is ubiquity ?
[22:40] <bdmurray> well, actually it is likely ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[22:40] <BUGabundo> wow
[22:40] <micahg> cool
[22:40] <BUGabundo> the installer looks kewl
[22:40] <micahg> thanks bdmurray
[22:40] <bdmurray> I'd double check though
[22:40] <micahg> they can reassign if it's wrong
[22:41] <Tumie> where can i add the package to it?
[22:41] <bdmurray> its likely a dup of bug 423640
[22:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 423640 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "pidgin promoted in slideshow while not being in the livefs or resulting install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423640
[22:41] <Tumie> ow
[22:41] <micahg> got it
[22:41] <Tumie> somebody already did it :)
[22:42] <micahg> thanks
[22:42] <Tumie> yes, i think it's a duplicate :)
[22:42]  * micahg marked it as such
[22:43] <Tumie> can somebody add my screenshot to the older bug?
[22:44] <Tumie> never mind
[22:44] <micahg> The other bug is descriptive enough.  Thank you for reporting this and please let us know if you see anything else.
[22:45] <bdmurray> it should be fairly trivial to fix if someone wants to give it a shot
[23:00] <billybigrigger> anyone know the bug number for the missing Applications icons?
[23:02] <micahg> billybigrigger: are you referring to bug 408361?
[23:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 408361 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox needs to use "gtk_image_menu_item_set_always_show_image" for essential icons." [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408361
[23:02] <billybigrigger> no
[23:02] <billybigrigger> in karmic, all the icons from Applications/Places/System are gone
[23:02] <billybigrigger> but they appear in System/Preferences and Administration
[23:02] <billybigrigger> just not the root menus
[23:03] <seb128> right, same bug
[23:03] <seb128> or design decision
[23:04] <billybigrigger> so there's a fix from mozilla, just not for ubuntu?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> I got OOo fixed to
[23:13] <seb128> billybigrigger, not sure what you are asking
[23:13] <seb128> billybigrigger, removing icons from most menus was a design decision from GNOME
[23:13] <billybigrigger> im reading
[23:13] <billybigrigger> i see that it was a gnome development decision
[23:13] <komputes> Since today is Network Manager Hug Day, can someone in BugControl assign this bug to an individual https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/284596
[23:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 284596 in network-manager "nm-applet fail when another user is logged in (intrepid)" [Unknown,In progress]
[23:13] <billybigrigger> well they should enable all icons, or disable all icons
[23:13] <billybigrigger> having them half and half looks bloody stupid
[23:14] <seb128> they show icons for object
[23:14] <seb128> drives, files, bookmarks
[23:16] <billybigrigger> oh geez
[23:16] <billybigrigger> who decides these things
[23:16] <billybigrigger> ALL icons in the root menus, Apps/Places/System should be disable
[23:16] <billybigrigger> Apps has all but Add remove
[23:16] <billybigrigger> Places has 1 icon here, 1 there
[23:16] <billybigrigger> System has NONE
[23:17] <billybigrigger> it looks like a freakin' mess :)
[23:18] <Flare183> .....
[23:20] <billybigrigger> ?
[23:40] <micahg> komputes: we don't assign bugs to people
[23:41] <komputes> micahg: any tips on moving this bug forward?
[23:41] <micahg> nope
[23:41] <micahg> it's an upstream issue
[23:41] <micahg> you can go upstream if you want to help fix it
[23:41] <hggdh> which would help
[23:42] <micahg> otherwise, we generally wait for upstream to fix since we have so much Ubuntu stuff to do
[23:43] <micahg> komputes: once a bug is at the triaged state, our job (bug control) generally ends and the Ubuntu developers take over
[23:44] <komputes> micahg: thanks for your help
[23:44] <micahg> np komputes, thank you for your help triaging