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chrisccoulsonhi robert_ancell. i'm just looking at bug 419645 for you at the moment00:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419645 in gnome-settings-daemon "Update to 2.27.91" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41964500:04
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, ok00:05
chrisccoulsonyou just wanted some help updating the patch for the new version?00:05
chrisccoulsoni wasn't sure whether you thought anything in notify-osd had changed too00:05
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, yes, the code has changed quite a bit and I wasn't 100% sure how to get the notification patch updated00:05
chrisccoulsonthat's ok, i've updated that now00:05
chrisccoulsoni think we can drop 61_fix_volume_notification.patch too00:06
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rugby471top of the morning06:59
rugby471mvo: oh they are back :-)07:40
rugby471any more :-)07:40
mvo:)07:40
rugby471horray07:40
didrockshey mvo, rugby47107:43
rugby471did I just leave?07:43
rugby471didrocks: hi07:43
didrocksrugby471: I confirm, gjs can't be used on top of webkit :/07:43
rugby471didrocks: the tubes seem to be down this morning :-)07:43
didrocks(gjs enables using clutter)07:43
didrocksrugby471: yes, some server splits...07:43
rugby471hehe well I have been having fun with it :-)07:44
TheMusomvo: Paprefs depends on gnome-packagekit because upstream advised me that it needs/used it. I don't know enough about packagekit to work out exactly whats needed however.07:46
pittiGood morning07:47
pittidobey: hi07:47
mvoTheMuso: thanks! if its needed (or needed in the future) we should have a pk-gnome-essential package that only contains the dbus service07:48
rugby471top of the morning to you07:48
rugby471mvo: looks like software-store webkit is progressing nicely :-)07:50
glatzormvo, TheMuso, the dbus service is provided by gpk-update-icon. I am not sure if it is possible to run it without having all the other tools installed.07:51
didrockshey pitti07:56
pittihey didrocks!08:10
huatsmorning everyone08:18
didrockshey huats, hi seb12808:19
seb128lut huats didrocks08:19
robert_ancellhey seb, did you look at the xscreensaver bug?08:19
huatshey seb128 and didrocks !08:19
robert_ancellseb128,08:19
huats:)08:19
robert_ancellhey huats et all08:19
huatsand hey robert_ancell08:19
huatshow are you guys ?08:19
seb128hey robert_ancell08:19
robert_ancellhuats, busy :)08:19
seb128robert_ancell, yes but it lacks a Replaces08:20
huats:)08:20
seb128robert_ancell, and main is frozen for CD builds08:20
robert_ancellseb128, ah, ok08:20
seb128robert_ancell, if files moved between binaries a Replaces should be used08:20
seb128or you will get dpkg complaining about overwrite if the unpack order is not the one you want08:20
robert_ancellseb128, ok, will look at tomorrow08:21
seb128thanks08:21
seb128I need to fix the versions page by some way too08:21
rugby471mvo: are you planning to port all the views to webkit (ie. the applist view as well?)08:22
mvorugby471: for now I don't plan this one, I suspect its too heavy (slow) with webkit08:22
rugby471mvo: ah, because otherwise it is going to be hard to do the effects08:22
rugby471mvo: I don't see why it would be slow though, just a large <table>08:23
mvohm, so without it, thats difficult? the door etc08:23
didrocksmvo: we can't use clutter in webkit08:23
rugby471mvo: I was thinking about it and yes it would be08:23
rugby471mvo: as didrocks rightly says we would have to use javascript, which is not a problem, but it would really require all the views in webkit08:24
mvorugby471: we can try it and see if its fast enough - it need to be able to do filter-as-you type, so it might be a challenge, but maybe its up to it :)08:24
rugby471mvo: I am sure you could do that with javascript :-)08:24
mvodidrocks: hmmm, bad - is this because of the two different JS engines they use? or is that unreleated?08:24
rugby471mvo: otherwise it will be a very clunky sliding doors effect08:25
didrocksmvo: exactly, gjs currently isn't working in webkit08:25
didrocksdoesn't work*08:25
didrocksmvo: I worked the last days to get some updated python bindings for clutter and it was great, but now, I can't use them :D08:26
mvoheh :) bad luck!08:26
rugby471mvo: the way I see we can do the sliding door mechanism is by having the door image slide over the department view, then switching to say the applist and having the sliding doors open up (so it looks like a continuous effect)08:26
* mvo grumbles a bit08:26
rugby471didrocks: : what is gjs?08:27
didrocksrugby471: http://live.gnome.org/Gjs08:27
rugby471cheers08:27
rugby471hehe cool08:27
rugby471anyway, I'll let you get on with your work, today is my last day of holidays :-(08:29
seb128huats, how are you? still busy apparently? ;-)08:35
pittihey seb12808:36
seb128pitti, guten tag!08:36
seb128wie gets?08:36
pittidanke, gut!08:36
seb128;-)08:36
pittihave to prepare for dev week now, I guess; gets high time08:36
seb128what session do you give?08:36
pittiseb128: ("geht's", BTW)08:36
seb128(thanks)08:36
pittiseb128: the translation overview (lifecycle/langpacks/Rosetta/community), with David and Danilo08:37
seb128ah ok08:37
seb128nice to see some new topics this week ;-)08:37
* mvo grumbles about vte and what appears to be a bug in the child-exited signal delivery08:39
huatsseb128: I am busy indeed... but I manage to get some time to tackle some ubuntu related  stuffs :)08:40
mvodidrocks, rugby471: if the software-store trunk/ is good so far in your tests, I will upload this morning - what do you think?08:40
mvothe webkit stuff should get some exposure :)08:40
didrocksmvo: I've made some basic tests yesterday (I was more trying to get clutter in webkit), I had no issue in installing/uninstalling08:41
slomoseb128: why did you move the farsight stuff from gst-plugins-bad to gst-plugins-good in ubuntu?08:44
baptistemmòla gentlemen08:46
AucklaGood evening. :)08:48
seb128slomo, because it's required for jabber video08:50
seb128slomo, and we only have good in main08:50
seb128slomo, we have been told that fedora does that too08:51
seb128slomo, I discussed that with several collabora people are guadec08:51
slomoseb128: ok, then the solution is good i guess :) but why can't you simply make a new binary package from -bad and simply move that to main? now upstream bugreports on the farsight plugins are a bit difficult because you never know what the version is they're talking about...08:52
seb128slomo, we would have to move the source and all the build-depends08:52
seb128slomo, an universe source can't build a main binary08:53
seb128slomo, sorry about that but we pointing it at GUADEC as a blocker for empathy by default and nobody came with something better08:53
seb128slomo, ideally upstream would move it to good or it's own source08:54
baptistemmI seen some other distros did that too08:54
slomoah, that problem again *sigh* :) what about a gst-plugins-bad-main source package as another solution? ;)08:54
slomobut sure, the farsight plugins should be moved to good upstream... it just has to be done by someone and it seems nobody cares enough ;)08:54
seb128new source ... I think I like the patching better08:55
seb128that was meant to be a temporary hack until it moves to good08:55
slomook :)08:55
seb128I expect most distros who want to ship empathy will have to do that anyway so would be nice to find somebody interested upstream to sort the issue08:55
chrisccoulsonhey bryce, is it ok if we cherry pick the fix for http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23562 in karmic?09:00
ubottuFreedesktop bug 23562 in Protocol/Core "GetProperty can return BadMatch error under certain conditions" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]09:00
chrisccoulsonit goes part way to fixing bug 32104109:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 321041 in libxklavier "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in xkl_process_error()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32104109:01
seb128hey chrisccoulson09:03
chrisccoulsonhi seb12809:03
chrisccoulsonhow are you today?09:03
seb128good, thanks, you?09:03
seb128how was starting back work for you?09:03
chrisccoulsonyeah, not too bad. starting back to work is hard - i'm looking forward to the weekend again!09:04
* mvo hugs chrisccoulson09:05
mvoweekend!09:05
* chrisccoulson hugs mvo and seb12809:05
chrisccoulsonmvo - weekends are great:)09:05
seb128;-)09:06
* seb128 hugs chrisccoulson09:06
seb128hey mvo, how are you?09:06
seb128reaching software-store 0.2?09:07
mvoseb128: good, annoyed by vte - it does not deliver my signal anymore :(09:07
seb128oh09:07
mvodrives me crazy!09:08
seb128session restart brb09:08
brycechrisccoulson, yeah probably, email me about it and I'll check into it in the morning09:10
* seb128 hugs mvo for the good work he's doing09:10
rugby471mvo: I have some time to do some developing of software-store now, anything I can do?09:18
chrisccoulson1bryce - will do. thanks09:20
mvorugby471: please check the TODO list - or just make the html/JS more sexy :)09:20
chrisccoulson1my 3G connection keeps disconnecting me!09:20
rugby471mvo : okay09:20
mvorugby471: one thing I noticed is that the animated "loading.gif" when fading in will have a black square, that looks ugly on the fade09:21
rugby471ok09:21
mvorugby471: so I disabled it for now09:21
mvobut that is probably not a big thing and would be nice to have09:21
AucklaA bird flew in the way of your microwave.09:21
AucklaSomewhere, somebody is eating....09:22
mvorugby471: appdetailsview.py:wksub_iconpath_loading() has the code09:22
mac_vrugby471: mvo: is it possible to open the software store always in the middle of the screen? or is it too much work?09:36
mac_vfor karmic?09:36
mvomac_v: no, that should be fine (and is a good idea IMO)09:39
mac_vok filing a bug :)09:39
rugby471mvo: just so you know, the installed icon path is currently messed up09:50
rugby471file:./data/icons/24x24/emblems/softwarestore_installed.png doesn't work09:50
mvorugby471: is it? I thought I fixed that :/09:50
mvooh, this one09:50
mvoyeah09:50
rugby471mvo: it seems we also have trouble when the icon for the application is svg or xpm09:51
rugby471maybe we shall have to convert to base/64 and then insert?09:51
mvothats a good idea09:52
mvoxpm is not supported09:52
mvoI asked on #webkit09:52
rugby471http://docs.python.org/library/binascii.html, I shall have a look at it09:52
rugby471ok09:52
mvocool, thanks!09:53
rugby471mvo: I was thinking gtk.new_pixbuf_from_file and then pass that data to binascii.a2b_base6409:53
mvoyeah, that makes sense09:53
rugby471hehe that is what I shall do then :-)09:53
rugby471mvo: where is the subs dictionary located now?09:54
mvorugby471: wksubs_$name is called now instead09:55
rugby471ok09:55
mvorugby471: I felt its more readable this was09:55
mvoway09:55
mac_vmvo: how can we access the info we have submitted to lp via checkbox?10:04
mac_vafter sending ?10:04
mvomac_v: sorry, I don't know10:06
\shguys, simple question: since one of the last gnome desktop updates on karmic, my whole screen setup is out of order...panels which were on my first screen are now on the second, and it's not possible anymore to create or move the panels on the first screen...any reason why that happend or is it a default behaviour?10:06
mac_vmvo: oops , sorry , i thought it was one of the apps you maintain :)10:06
mac_v! | \sh10:08
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rugby471\sh: try holding alt to move the panels10:10
\shrugby471: ok..my fault of thinking too straight ;)10:11
seb128you should talk to vuntz about gnome-panel change10:12
seb128but almost nobody doing work there has multi screen configs to test that sort of things10:13
seb128could be the change on gnome bug #56294410:13
ubottuGnome bug 562944 in general "Make use of the randr 1.3 primary output" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56294410:13
\shseb128: that's it, at least it reads like the behaviour I have now...the fun part about it, that xrandr doesn't tell me which device is the primary and what the secondary...10:18
seb128comments on the upstream bug are welcome I guess10:19
seb128we have users with too much free time10:20
seb128we got a bug saying that year 0 should not be listed in the calendar10:20
seb128it takes ages to scroll years until 0, it's amazing that users try that only to open a bug10:21
\shseb128: done10:21
seb128thanks10:22
pittidpm: ok, I think I have my part of the translations talk done now10:31
dpmpitti: great, thanks. Shall we still have a call today together with danilo to discuss any details?10:34
pittidpm: if you wish, sure; a quick 10-minute call for coordination might be good10:35
dpmpitti: ok, let's do it then. I was telling you 14:00 yesterday, but it might have to be 15:00. Let me check and I come back to you in a few minutes10:36
pittidpm: ok; I need to leave for about an hour now10:37
pittiparents are on vac, and their heating is leaking10:38
pittineed to check whether the flat is under water already :/10:38
dpmoh dear, have fun repairing!10:38
cassidyseb128: hi. It would be good to change the default gst src in Karmic in order to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good0.10/+bug/41916911:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419169 in gst-plugins-good0.10 "Empathy in Karmic, audio support is horrible" [Undecided,New]11:03
seb128slomo, ^ any opinion on that?11:03
seb128cassidy, do you know why it's not default upstream too?11:03
cassidyseb128: that's downstream decision, Gst can't assume that pulse is used everywhere11:04
seb128in any case it seems it would make sense for debian too?11:04
slomoseb128: yes, pulsesrc should be made the default in ubuntu11:04
seb128cassidy, slomo: thanks, I will change that after the alpha freeze11:05
cassidyseb128: no, Debian doesn't use PA by default11:06
seb128ok, will change for ubuntu11:06
seb128thanks for pinging about that one ;-)11:06
cassidynp :)11:07
cassidyI except lot of people complaining that sound is shit so I prefer to have it fixed now :)11:07
seb128cassidy, do you know why alsa doesn't work correctly though?11:08
seb128ideally that should be working fine too11:08
cassidyseb128: no idea, I'm a gst noob, I just relay the info11:09
seb128asac, can you open https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=18147 from firefox?11:09
seb128cassidy, ok11:09
asacseb128: no11:09
asacseb128: odd11:09
asacseb128: it suggests the right appliction (Document Viewer) and then it fails11:10
seb128asac, ok, same here, I was wondering if I screwed my config or something11:10
seb128it works on other pdfs though11:10
seb128could be that bugzilla sends the wrong mimetype which confuses firefox?11:10
asaccould be that its some mime-type config issue in gnomevfs or mailcap11:10
seb128https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=18147&action=edit has the wrong one11:10
asacyes11:10
asacwhat does it send?11:10
asacmaybe ffox guesses the right helper based on extension (.pdf) and then gets confused because of mime type later11:11
seb128asac, dunno but it works after fixing the mimetype in bugzilla now11:11
* asac runs it with live headers11:11
seb128it was set on application/octet...11:11
asacyou fixed it?11:12
asacit suddently started to work11:12
seb128yes11:12
seb128I changed to application/pdf to see if that fixes it11:12
seb128and that does11:12
seb128I guess firefox try to be smart rather than just calling evince after download11:12
asacok can you file a bug and attach a .pdf in launchpad and set it to application/octet11:12
asacmaybe we can reproduce it there ;)11:12
asacthat would be best i guess11:12
asacyes11:12
asacthere is something buggy11:12
asacmost likely it just always bails out hard somewhere if the mimetype has no association11:13
asaceven though it has a proper app set11:13
seb128asac, yes, same issue in launchpad, I will open a bug11:14
asacthx. plerase against xulrunner-1.9.1 and assign to me11:14
asacset to triage11:14
seb128ok thanks11:14
seb128asac, done11:30
james_whey seb12811:30
seb128hello james_w11:30
james_wthink we should disable the automatic font installation?11:31
james_was it doesn't work11:31
huats_hey james_w11:31
huats_:)11:31
james_wsalut huats_11:31
seb128james_w, where is it? I didn't notice that was on11:31
james_wcan't remember11:31
james_wI think gnome-settings-daemon11:31
seb128james_w, is there a way to make that working using aptdaemon?11:31
james_wsomewhere I thought was odd11:31
james_wit would work fine11:31
james_wexcept that we don't expose the font information in such a way that it could be used11:32
seb128I'm fine turning it on, I've just no clue how and where to trigger it11:32
seb128so not sure how to test if it's on or not now11:32
seb128turning it off11:32
james_wask slangasek to forward you that spam?11:32
seb128ie, if you want to submit a patch you are welcome11:32
james_wfrom -devel11:32
seb128ah, I just read that now11:33
james_whmm, gconf-editor just says <schema> for everything11:33
seb128let me try to figure where is the install code11:33
seb128are you in the schemas section?11:34
james_wah, that would do it :-)11:34
loolHey did anyone get a warning on logout that the empathy contact list window doesn't support session saving?11:37
james_wah, it's a change in packagekit-gnome needed11:39
james_wI can do that11:39
seb128I don't but I don't use empathy often and I'm not sure compiz displays those11:39
james_wwould be nice to have11:39
seb128james_w, did you find where is the code which does that?11:39
james_wwe need to label font packages with their language coverage to do that though11:40
james_wit ships a gtk module that intercepts failing font lookups11:40
james_wyou can tweak gconf to prevent it from doing anything11:40
seb128ah ok, that would explain why I don't get it11:40
baptistemmlool: I did had this message yesterday11:40
chrisccoulsonlool - that is a silly metacity warning, and it's a bug that it displays on every logout11:41
james_wif we don't ship the gtk module then every gtk program starting emits a warning11:41
james_wso we can either ship this (currently) useless thing, or not ship it and change the gconf key that makes it look for that module11:41
chrisccoulsonlool - the warning is likely to be moved to another code path in metacity, so it displays when you're actually trying to save your session rather than log out11:42
chrisccoulsonalthough, I disagree that the warning should be shown at all11:42
loolchrisccoulson: Ok thanks11:42
james_wwhich is in gnome-settings-daemon11:43
seb128james_w, we don't install packagekit by default though so it's not a real issue, is it?11:44
james_wsort of11:44
james_w"if we don't ship the gtk module then every gtk program starting emits a warning"11:44
james_wso we get that in the default install11:44
* lool agrees with james_w that gconf settings listing expected apps/modules should match the ones we ship so if we dont ship PK bits by default we shold not list them in the default config either11:50
james_wI think it's silly there is gconf for that though11:50
seb128oh, you mean we would get an error when something try to install a font?11:51
james_wno11:51
seb128because I don't get a warning every time I start an application11:51
james_whmm, does installing packagekit modify gnome-setttings-daemon's gconf?11:52
james_wyes11:52
james_wok11:52
james_wsorry for the noise11:52
seb128what gconf key are you speaking about?11:52
james_wI can fix this, not an issue for the default install11:52
seb128ok, that makes sense now11:52
seb128thanks!11:52
james_wwe just disable the prompting, because it's broken11:53
davmor2pitti: I got an issue with jockey-kde I click on the ati fglrx driver and hit Activate and nothing12:02
pittidavmor2: it doesn't even bring up the progress dialog?12:05
davmor2pitti: no12:05
pittidavmor2: could you please start "sudo jockey-kde" in a terminal and try that instead?12:05
pittidavmor2: oh, hang on, please pastebin /var/log/jockey.log before12:05
davmor2pitti: will do12:06
asacseb128: so i changed the mimetype to octet-stream ... (you had octec-stream) and now it doesnt offer to open at all :/12:07
pittiseb128: looking at bug 41964512:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419645 in gnome-settings-daemon "Update to 2.27.91" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41964512:07
davmor2pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26435212:09
seb128pitti, thanks, is karmic unfrozen yet?12:14
pittiargh, X freeze12:15
seb128asac, well the typo was a good testcase then ;-)12:15
seb128pitti, X or compiz?12:15
pittidavmor2: that pastebin looks okay, but no trace of the activation attempt12:15
pittiseb128: X12:15
seb128ok12:15
pittiseb128: right, I won't upload it yet12:15
seb128pitti, ok, I was just wondering because I've queue some sponsoring and uploads too12:15
seb128pitti, do you know how to verify crc32 sums for dbg by hand?12:16
seb128objdump -x lib gives the debug section12:16
pittiseb128: I'm afraid not12:16
seb128but I don't remember how to get the debug one to see if it's matching12:16
seb128pitti, ok, no worry, that was in case12:16
asacseb128: you say the typo is needed?12:19
asacheh12:19
asacyeah12:19
asacstrange12:20
seb128let me check if I can see the value which was on bugzilla before I changed it12:20
seb128asac, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=692312:21
seb128asac, seems it was application/x-octetstream there before12:21
asacok lets use that then12:22
* asac updates bug again12:22
seb128but it any case if firefox figure the right application it should just run it12:22
seb128it seems to do extra mimetype checking which is not required12:22
asacnothing to argue12:22
asacbug is valid12:23
asacand medium at least12:23
* asac gets latest firefox 3.7 daily to see if its an issue there12:24
asac... still cannot drag menu item to panel ;)12:25
asacalso issue on trunk12:26
asacthx12:26
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seb128asac, dnd menu items should be fixed, it's working there12:55
seb128asac, what gtk version do you run?12:55
asac2.17.10-0ubuntu112:59
asacseb128: ^^12:59
seb128asac, did you restart your session since the update?13:00
seb128it was 1.5 days ago13:00
asaci doubt it ... let me kill the panel13:00
asacseb128: thx. its indeed fixed13:01
seb128good, thanks for testing and confirming13:01
seb128pitti, are you looking to those retracers crashes? I get a new set of emails, is that you who cleaned and the retracers crashers again?13:05
pochuseb128: I uploaded libunique 1.1.2 to experimental. I forgot about the pot change, but shouldn't that go upstream anyway?13:11
seb128pochu, that could, there is nothing obviously wrong by shipping an empty file there but that breaks the languagepack tools13:11
seb128I guess they could as well update it or not ship it though13:12
* bigon wonders if galago still alive13:21
* Ng hrms at the f-spot screensaver. doesn't seem to be working13:28
pittiseb128: yes, I did13:29
pittiargh, they crashed again13:29
pittiKeyError: 'content_type'13:30
seb128right13:30
pittiah, that again13:30
pittiI just fixed that in trunk13:30
pittiI just deleted the "expectation failed" ones13:30
seb128what was that?13:30
pittiseb128: I'll do an upload soon and restart them afterwards13:30
seb128pitti, ok thanks13:30
pittiseb128: this "HttpError 417 Precondition failed" goo13:31
seb128ah that13:31
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davmor2pitti: sorry about that t'interweb died13:37
pittihey davmor2, wb13:37
davmor2did you get my replies?13:37
pittidavmor2: no, I didn't13:38
davmor2(12:09:47) davmor2: pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26435213:39
davmor2(12:13:28) davmor2: pitti: same thing when doing sudo jockey-kde.  However the terminal says Error "/var/tmp/kdecache-tester" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0  and  Error "/tmp/kde-tester" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 013:39
davmor2pitti: I'm just grabbing the html logs to see what I missed13:39
pittidavmor2: no idea aobut the kdetester stuff, I'm afraid13:46
pittidavmor2: I'll boot the kde netbook system and try it there, I guess13:46
davmor2pitti: I can give you ssh-server access tomorrow but I need it for testing today13:50
dobeypitti: hey. does distutils-extra do some funky stuff to hook into distutils by default?13:54
pittidobey: some more details, please?13:55
mac_vseb128:  is Bug #423542 a dup of the libgnome bug ? it is something that has started recently after the updates13:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 423542 in gtk+2.0 "No icons in application/System Gnome menus (dup-of: 407621)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42354213:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 407621 in libgnome "(design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40762113:56
dobeypitti: doing "./setup.py check" works in modules that don't even use distutils-extra for anything :)13:56
seb128mac_v, right, once gnome-panel has been fixed to respect the option13:56
dobeypitti: so i was quite confused by it doing stuff13:56
mac_vseb128: it also affects the nautilus context menus13:57
pittidobey: isn't is supposed to?13:57
seb128mac_v, the very first entry you mean? that's an another bug and a nautilus one and fixed in git already13:57
pittidobey: didn't you write that even? :-)13:57
dobeypitti: i wrote it, but i don't think modules that don't import distutils-extra at all should get its commands, should they?13:58
seb128mac_v, http://git.gnome.org/cgit/nautilus/commit/?id=064086ef68a0692ac9050b7a0d3ded4a836c818013:58
pittidobey: TTYL, conf call13:59
mac_vseb128: yup , the first entries , but i think that did not solve it > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387796/comments/3513:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 387796 in nautilus "Display application icons for "Open With" entries in the context-menu" [Wishlist,Fix released]13:59
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seb128mac_v, what didn't solve it? the git commit is not in karmic yet14:00
mac_voh , ok , it looked similar to the earlier patch ;) , , nevermind then14:00
seb128mac_v, did you try a git build?14:00
seb128mac_v, the gnome-panel change is under discussion apparently though14:01
seb128mac_v, I think it looks very weird but I'm not a designer14:01
seb128mac_v, you can maybe try to get mpt's view on that one14:01
mac_vsure14:01
mac_vseb128: but he's not in today?14:01
seb128mac_v, not sure, I've not seen him around yet14:02
mac_vi'll just assign the bug to him , then ;)14:02
seb128mac_v, ok ;-)14:03
pittiwow, ekiga's canonical conference voip works just great14:09
pittifirst time I use it14:09
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kenvandinegood morning rickspencer314:15
pittihey rickspencer314:15
kenvandinepitti, yeah it has always been super reliable for me14:15
seb128hey rickspencer314:15
davmor2pitti: is that using empathy?14:16
pittino, ekiga14:16
davmor2pitti: so you haven't tried empathy's ekiga acc to connect then?14:17
pittino, not yet14:18
rickspencer3hi kenvandine pitti seb12814:27
rickspencer3good morning14:27
rickspencer3kenvandine, DX release day, right? :)14:27
* rickspencer3 whip cracking noises14:27
seb128rickspencer3, but archive frozen due to alpha ;-)14:28
rickspencer3seb128, ack14:29
rickspencer3still, every Thursday we should "release" their code14:29
rickspencer3even if it can't get uploaded until Friday, should be all ready to go14:30
kenvandinerickspencer3, yes14:30
rickspencer3thanks kenvandine14:31
kenvandineseb128, too late for alpha5...14:31
rickspencer3you da man14:31
kenvandinehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicWeeklyReleases14:31
rickspencer3kenvandine, perfect!14:31
kenvandinethe indicator stuff might not happen today... it may cause breakage14:31
rickspencer3kenvandine knows that when I see a table, I assume everything is going well ;)14:31
kenvandine:)14:31
kenvandinei knew you would want to see that14:31
* seb128 waits for freeze to end14:32
* rickspencer3 hands seb128 a blow torch14:32
seb128the freezes are boring, I want to upload new cracks ;-)14:32
seb128cracks^Wfixes14:32
kenvandineseb128, we are planning to prepare releases for all DX team packages every thursday14:32
seb128that's nice14:32
seb128having regular updates is a good idea14:33
kenvandineyup14:33
rickspencer3hi tedg14:34
seb128hey tedg14:34
tedgGuys, seriously, not so quick.  Notify-OSD's queue ends up too full as I start up in the morning :)14:36
seb128lol14:36
* mvo declares victory over a nasty update-manager hang bug14:38
* seb128 hugs mvo14:41
tedgjames_w: So I just got an e-mail about a packaging branch get connected to a bug.  Is that because of the import of the packages into the lp:ubuntu/karmic/* branches?  (not an issue, just trying to understand)14:50
superm1i've been getting a lot of those too14:54
james_wtedg: yep14:57
tedgjames_w: Cool, thanks.14:58
superm1james_w, so at some point will we be able to just push to those branches rather than do an upload to the archive (forgive me, i've not been keeping up with this stuff)?14:58
james_wyep, that's the plan14:59
james_wthough it will be more than "just push"14:59
james_wthere will be an explicit action to trigger a build over and above pushing14:59
superm1okay cool15:00
kenvandinerodrigo_, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m279aef5515:06
rodrigo_kenvandine: yeah, harmless warnings, but I really need to remove them15:07
rodrigo_kenvandine: will do as soon as I finish the oauth stuff15:08
kenvandinehumm... harmless?15:08
kenvandineit didn't insert the contact :)15:08
kenvandinemaybe i need to copy more15:08
rodrigo_oh15:08
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rodrigo_kenvandine: hmm, the url seems wrong -> http://127.0.0.1:38995/contacts/http://www.google.com/m8/feeds/contacts/ken%40vandine.org/base/713d9428d18e5d615:09
rodrigo_kenvandine: I guess that's the UID from google contacts we discussed in Dublin, right?15:10
kenvandinemaybe15:10
kenvandinei did copy a few ok15:10
kenvandinethen it started failing15:10
rodrigo_with those uids?15:10
kenvandineand now every contact i try copying it fails15:10
kenvandinehang on15:11
kenvandinerodrigo_, here is the output from a single copy that failed15:13
kenvandinehttp://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m58d8cbf715:13
* rickspencer3 is doing dist-upgrade and sees new desktopcouch15:13
rodrigo_kenvandine: ah, it stores _id":"http: as the id, so I guess the following ones will fail15:14
rodrigo_and adds the rest as attachments15:14
kenvandineoh15:15
kenvandineeww15:15
rodrigo_so I guess we need to deal with that15:15
kenvandineok... /me files a bug15:15
rodrigo_yes, please15:15
kenvandineactually... can you file it?15:15
kenvandineyou can describe it much better :)15:15
rodrigo_ok15:15
* kenvandine will comment on it15:15
kenvandinethx15:16
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rodrigo_kenvandine: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/evolution-couchdb/+bug/42374615:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 423746 in evolution-couchdb "Contact IDs from Google backend confuses evo-couchdb" [Medium,New]15:24
kenvandinethx15:24
rugby471mac_v: dammit, I just realised that I'm going to miss the papercut session tonite :-(16:17
mac_vrugby471: oops i forgot totally! david would have killed me ;p , thanks for reminding16:18
rugby471hehe16:18
rugby471mac_v: can you tell david I am sorry I cannot attend16:20
mac_vnope ;p16:20
mac_vrugby471: ;) , sure i'll tell him if he's hunting you16:20
mvorugby471: hey! any progress on the loading.gif :) ?16:29
rugby471mvo: sorry I have been out all today at an exibition about da vinci16:40
rugby471I shall have a lot at it now16:40
rugby471lot > look16:40
mvorugby471: da vinci? sounds nice16:41
rugby471mvo: it was, basically a group of italians have made all of his ideas into real structures etc. I went to see it when I was in Rome and it so happens it has come to a museum 20 mins from me :-)16:44
rugby471mvo: what branch should I base it on, webkit or trunk?16:46
mvorugby471: trunk/16:46
rugby471cool16:46
mvorugby471: rome> haha :)16:47
rugby471mvo: what?16:47
mvorugby471: well, that you went to see it in rome and then it comes to a place close to you :) funny16:47
rugby471mvo: hehe, well I didn't go to see it in Rome specifically, I kinda went to see the incredible architecture/history and it just happened to appear where we were walking on our last day :-)16:48
rugby471mvo: can you reproduce this? software-store seems to open behind all my other windows (trunk)16:49
rugby471mvo: it can't even come to to front when I click it16:50
mvorugby471: oh, give me a sec, I have a look16:50
mvorugby471: hm, seems to be ok for me, what WM do you use (compiz or metacity)?16:51
mvorugby471: I changed it to "open in center"16:51
* mvo wonders if that broke it16:51
rugby471I think metacity, this is on my karmic virtual machine, may just be me16:51
rugby471yeah that is what I was thinking...16:51
rugby471I shall change it and see16:51
rugby471mvo: nope that isn't it16:52
rugby471mvo: nope it must just be me, it is happening with rev no's that I know definitely worked before16:54
mvook16:55
* rugby471 just realised he set gnome-terminal to always on top...16:55
ftain evolution / karmic, unread emails with attachements show the paper clip in the view pane, but that paper clip (now) disappears when the mail is read, is that a known bug/regression?17:01
seb128I don't have this issue here17:02
chrisccoulsonhey fta17:02
chrisccoulsonsorry i didn't respond to your message earlier17:02
seb128and I don't think I read a bug about that one17:02
ftaseb128, seems it's not for all emails.. looking at a few email, it seems it's when there are several attachments17:03
ftachrisccoulson, np. it reoccured twice already17:04
chrisccoulsonfta - could you paste the output of tune2fs -l for the volume somewhere?17:05
ftachrisccoulson, well, it changed since.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/264502/17:08
rugby471mvo: I cannot reproduce that black box thing you speak about17:12
rugby471so I have set the icon back17:13
rugby471I shall push it to my branch17:13
rugby471can you test it from my branch?17:13
chrisccoulsonfta - i'll have a think when i get home from work. i have to drive home now17:13
rugby471mvo: you will have to run sudo cp data/icons/32x32/animations/software-store-loading.gif /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/animations/software-store-loading.gif17:15
rugby471to get the icon in the correct place17:15
rugby471mvo: avaiable here https://code.launchpad.net/~rugby471/software-store/software-store-andrew17:15
mvorugby471: thanks, testing now17:17
rugby471kl17:18
rugby471mvo: gotta go now17:26
rugby471mvo: be back in an hour & a half17:26
rugby471see ya17:26
mvorugby471: see you17:26
seb128unfrozen, yeah ;-)17:40
pittinew crack!18:33
MenZanou.18:33
seb128pitti, indeed ;-)18:34
* pitti updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/PolicyKitOneMigration for hplip18:34
pittiso once asac uploads the new NM, and indicator-session drops the client stuff, we should be good18:35
seb128good job!18:40
* mclasen had no idea hplip uses polkit18:41
seb128slomo, do you know if somebody is interested in pitivi crashes?18:43
seb128slomo, we have some on launchpad I'm pondering doing forwarding upstream, or do you know if somebody look at those?18:43
seb128I mean look at launchpad bugs18:44
rickspencer3seb128, bilboed in #pitivi18:44
seb128rickspencer3, thanks18:44
seb128rickspencer3, is he the person to ask or is he watching the bugs on launchpad?18:44
rickspencer3seb128, he's the upstream driver for pitivi18:45
seb128ok, I will ask there then18:45
rickspencer3I've been meaning to introduce myself all week18:45
rickspencer3but have been too busy :(18:45
slomoseb128: you want to sync new pitivi/gnonlin from experimental i guess18:57
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rugby471mac_v: how was the session?19:21
seb128slomo, right19:27
mac_vrugby471: nothing new for me :( , it was more of an intro to people who didnt know fully about papercuts ;p19:33
rugby471mac_v: oh good :-)19:33
rugby471i mean I didn't miss mouch then19:33
rugby471mouch19:33
rugby471damn it much19:33
mac_vrugby471: and david got pretty pissed you werent there , since a few bugs you worked on , were being questioned19:34
rugby471really?19:34
mac_v;p19:34
rugby471you ****19:34
rugby471hehe19:34
mac_vrugby471:  ;p19:34
rugby471mac_v: were any being questioned though?19:36
rugby471I am asking as the log of the session hasn't been put up, only a summary19:36
rugby471mac_v : do you have the log19:36
rugby471?19:36
mac_vrugby471: no , i was just teasing you ;p19:37
rugby471cool :-)19:37
seb128rugby471, I expect dholbach will put logs online tomorrow19:37
mac_v!logs > rugby47119:38
ubotturugby471, please see my private message19:38
rugby471ah thanks :-)19:38
mac_vthey might have some now19:38
rugby471kl19:39
rugby471mac_v: just read it, as you said it was for new papercutters19:48
rugby471well see ya :-)19:48
pittigood night everyone20:10
Amaranthwhat is the atatana project?21:33
jpdsAmaranth: launchpad.net/ayatana21:36
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mac_vAmaranth: did i trigger that doubt ? [bug assign] ;p22:17
Amaranthmac_v: Actually yes. Just a bit worried about compiz diverging too far from upstream22:18
mac_vAmaranth: hehe ;) , ,its just the canonical design team , they wont diverge ,but probably push for a solution22:19
seb128Amaranth, is upstream still working on it or are they busy rewritting everything in c++?22:21
Amaranthseb128: Yes.22:21
Amaranth:P22:22
seb128yes to what?22:22
seb128there has been no new version for months now22:22
AmaranthI don't think they have an answer for it, really22:22
Amaranthseb128: 0.8.4 is apparently just waiting on a couple more fixes22:22
c_kornwhat is compiz written in currently ?22:22
Amaranthand based on the recent fixes it has gotten that probably means ubuntu bugs22:22
chrisccoulsonwhat's going to happen with all this work in compiz when people start using gnome-shell? :(22:22
Amaranthc_korn: C22:22
seb128will it fixes the focus issues when opening the session dialog?22:23
seb128or the ssh keyring dialog twice22:23
Amaranthchrisccoulson: gnome-shell will fail everywhere except the netbook space is my guess22:23
Amaranthseb128: I believe that one is already fixed in the snapshots in the compiz PPA22:23
c_kornoh, so they require some object orientation22:23
seb128compiz would be nice if they invested time to work on it rather than rewritting it22:23
seb128but shrug22:23
Amaranthc_korn: davidr spent months working on a branch that added some weird gobject-like thing before the decision was made to just use C++22:24
Amaranthseb128: The problem is no one was really worked on it in about 6 months22:24
Amaranthdevelopment is getting more active again now22:24
c_kornuff, had to be disappointing22:24
Amaranthevery plugin in compiz itself is ported to C++, not sure what the status is for the old fusion plugins but I know a lot of them are done22:35
Amaranthiirc the original plan was to have 0.10 out at this time but I would settle for 0.9 :)22:36
mac_vseb128: hehe , not me ;) the gnome-panel bug reassign22:42
seb128mac_v, right22:49
seb128hey robert_ancell23:45
robert_ancellseb128, hey seb23:45
seb128robert_ancell, how are you?23:45
robert_ancellseb128, good, yourself?23:46
seb128good, a bit tired it's time to go to bed there ;-)23:46
seb128it has been a while that I didn't stay late enough to see you around ;-)23:46
seb128robert_ancell, do you have things on your todolist for the day already?23:46
robert_ancellseb128, I've been busy in the evening so haven't been able to stay late23:46
robert_ancellseb128, oh yes - my todo list is full :)23:47
seb128ok good23:47
robert_ancellseb128, working on a bunch of patches23:47
seb128ok excellent23:47
seb128I would have bounced some bugs your way if you very looking for tasks23:47
robert_ancellseb128, how are things for you? Got much on your plate?23:47
seb128but if you have enough to be busy that's cool ;-)23:48
seb128things are ok, there is always enough to be busy23:48
seb128I spent part of the week catching up on emails from vacs and sponsoring23:48
seb128and did some updates23:48
robert_ancellseb128, if they're not high priority let me know as I'm building up my queue23:48
seb128and looking at bugs which should be milestoned for karmic23:48
robert_ancellseb128, do you see much that is broken in karmic?  I'm noticing a lot of little things but nothing major so far23:49
seb128robert_ancell, no, but you need to look at bugs to know ;-)23:49
robert_ancellseb128, ignorance is bliss!! :)23:50
seb128I feel a bit unsure about some of the changes23:50
seb128ie I guess empathy will have many things which don't work as good as pidgin23:50
robert_ancellseb128, banshee is out right, empathy is in?23:50
seb128or gtk client side decoration created quite some issues23:50
seb128yes23:50
seb128or should be in, that can still change23:50
robert_ancellseb128, I've been fixing a number of duplicate object IDs in GtkBuilder, not sure which GTK+ started checking for those23:51
seb128the update this week I think23:51
robert_ancellI'm generally impressed with the .9x releases though - they seem pretty stable23:52
seb128we had to fix gnome-control-center, update-manager, gdebi, etc too23:52
seb128right23:52
seb128robert_ancell, bug #408647 is a totem crasher with an example and a valgrind log if you are bored23:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 408647 in gstreamer0.10 "totem crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40864723:53
seb128ie if you want to send that upstream or have a look23:53
seb128otherwise fixing this compiz focus issue would be nice23:53
seb128ie the one which makes the session dialog not always have focus23:53
seb128you can easily trigger it by running ssh, getting gnome-keyring prompt, esc and try again23:54
robert_ancellseb128, I've been working on getting compiz running locally.  Been a bit tricky though23:54
seb128you need to expense some hardware running compiz ;-)23:54
robert_ancellI reckon :)23:54
seb128anyway time to go to bed23:57
seb128good night everybody23:57
robert_ancellseb128, cool, see you next week23:57
seb128robert_ancell, have a nice weekend if I don't see you tomorrow morning and see you next week23:58
seb128bye23:58

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