[00:04] hi robert_ancell. i'm just looking at bug 419645 for you at the moment [00:04] Launchpad bug 419645 in gnome-settings-daemon "Update to 2.27.91" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419645 [00:05] chrisccoulson, ok [00:05] you just wanted some help updating the patch for the new version? [00:05] i wasn't sure whether you thought anything in notify-osd had changed too [00:05] chrisccoulson, yes, the code has changed quite a bit and I wasn't 100% sure how to get the notification patch updated [00:05] that's ok, i've updated that now [00:06] i think we can drop 61_fix_volume_notification.patch too === c_korn is now known as Turl3 === Turl3 is now known as c_korn === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [06:59] top of the morning [07:40] mvo: oh they are back :-) [07:40] any more :-) [07:40] :) [07:40] horray [07:43] hey mvo, rugby471 [07:43] did I just leave? [07:43] didrocks: hi [07:43] rugby471: I confirm, gjs can't be used on top of webkit :/ [07:43] didrocks: the tubes seem to be down this morning :-) [07:43] (gjs enables using clutter) [07:43] rugby471: yes, some server splits... [07:44] hehe well I have been having fun with it :-) [07:46] mvo: Paprefs depends on gnome-packagekit because upstream advised me that it needs/used it. I don't know enough about packagekit to work out exactly whats needed however. [07:47] Good morning [07:47] dobey: hi [07:48] TheMuso: thanks! if its needed (or needed in the future) we should have a pk-gnome-essential package that only contains the dbus service [07:48] top of the morning to you [07:50] mvo: looks like software-store webkit is progressing nicely :-) [07:51] mvo, TheMuso, the dbus service is provided by gpk-update-icon. I am not sure if it is possible to run it without having all the other tools installed. [07:56] hey pitti [08:10] hey didrocks! [08:18] morning everyone [08:19] hey huats, hi seb128 [08:19] lut huats didrocks [08:19] hey seb, did you look at the xscreensaver bug? [08:19] hey seb128 and didrocks ! [08:19] seb128, [08:19] :) [08:19] hey huats et all [08:19] and hey robert_ancell [08:19] how are you guys ? [08:19] hey robert_ancell [08:19] huats, busy :) [08:20] robert_ancell, yes but it lacks a Replaces [08:20] :) [08:20] robert_ancell, and main is frozen for CD builds [08:20] seb128, ah, ok [08:20] robert_ancell, if files moved between binaries a Replaces should be used [08:20] or you will get dpkg complaining about overwrite if the unpack order is not the one you want [08:21] seb128, ok, will look at tomorrow [08:21] thanks [08:21] I need to fix the versions page by some way too [08:22] mvo: are you planning to port all the views to webkit (ie. the applist view as well?) [08:22] rugby471: for now I don't plan this one, I suspect its too heavy (slow) with webkit [08:22] mvo: ah, because otherwise it is going to be hard to do the effects [08:23] mvo: I don't see why it would be slow though, just a large [08:23] hm, so without it, thats difficult? the door etc [08:23] mvo: we can't use clutter in webkit [08:23] mvo: I was thinking about it and yes it would be [08:24] mvo: as didrocks rightly says we would have to use javascript, which is not a problem, but it would really require all the views in webkit [08:24] rugby471: we can try it and see if its fast enough - it need to be able to do filter-as-you type, so it might be a challenge, but maybe its up to it :) [08:24] mvo: I am sure you could do that with javascript :-) [08:24] didrocks: hmmm, bad - is this because of the two different JS engines they use? or is that unreleated? [08:25] mvo: otherwise it will be a very clunky sliding doors effect [08:25] mvo: exactly, gjs currently isn't working in webkit [08:25] doesn't work* [08:26] mvo: I worked the last days to get some updated python bindings for clutter and it was great, but now, I can't use them :D [08:26] heh :) bad luck! [08:26] mvo: the way I see we can do the sliding door mechanism is by having the door image slide over the department view, then switching to say the applist and having the sliding doors open up (so it looks like a continuous effect) [08:26] * mvo grumbles a bit [08:27] didrocks: : what is gjs? [08:27] rugby471: http://live.gnome.org/Gjs [08:27] cheers [08:27] hehe cool [08:29] anyway, I'll let you get on with your work, today is my last day of holidays :-( [08:35] huats, how are you? still busy apparently? ;-) [08:36] hey seb128 [08:36] pitti, guten tag! [08:36] wie gets? [08:36] danke, gut! [08:36] ;-) [08:36] have to prepare for dev week now, I guess; gets high time [08:36] what session do you give? [08:36] seb128: ("geht's", BTW) [08:36] (thanks) [08:37] seb128: the translation overview (lifecycle/langpacks/Rosetta/community), with David and Danilo [08:37] ah ok [08:37] nice to see some new topics this week ;-) [08:39] * mvo grumbles about vte and what appears to be a bug in the child-exited signal delivery [08:40] seb128: I am busy indeed... but I manage to get some time to tackle some ubuntu related stuffs :) [08:40] didrocks, rugby471: if the software-store trunk/ is good so far in your tests, I will upload this morning - what do you think? [08:40] the webkit stuff should get some exposure :) [08:41] mvo: I've made some basic tests yesterday (I was more trying to get clutter in webkit), I had no issue in installing/uninstalling [08:44] seb128: why did you move the farsight stuff from gst-plugins-bad to gst-plugins-good in ubuntu? [08:46] òla gentlemen [08:48] Good evening. :) [08:50] slomo, because it's required for jabber video [08:50] slomo, and we only have good in main [08:51] slomo, we have been told that fedora does that too [08:51] slomo, I discussed that with several collabora people are guadec [08:52] seb128: ok, then the solution is good i guess :) but why can't you simply make a new binary package from -bad and simply move that to main? now upstream bugreports on the farsight plugins are a bit difficult because you never know what the version is they're talking about... [08:52] slomo, we would have to move the source and all the build-depends [08:53] slomo, an universe source can't build a main binary [08:53] slomo, sorry about that but we pointing it at GUADEC as a blocker for empathy by default and nobody came with something better [08:54] slomo, ideally upstream would move it to good or it's own source [08:54] I seen some other distros did that too [08:54] ah, that problem again *sigh* :) what about a gst-plugins-bad-main source package as another solution? ;) [08:54] but sure, the farsight plugins should be moved to good upstream... it just has to be done by someone and it seems nobody cares enough ;) [08:55] new source ... I think I like the patching better [08:55] that was meant to be a temporary hack until it moves to good [08:55] ok :) [08:55] I expect most distros who want to ship empathy will have to do that anyway so would be nice to find somebody interested upstream to sort the issue [09:00] hey bryce, is it ok if we cherry pick the fix for http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23562 in karmic? [09:00] Freedesktop bug 23562 in Protocol/Core "GetProperty can return BadMatch error under certain conditions" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [09:01] it goes part way to fixing bug 321041 [09:01] Launchpad bug 321041 in libxklavier "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in xkl_process_error()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/321041 [09:03] hey chrisccoulson [09:03] hi seb128 [09:03] how are you today? [09:03] good, thanks, you? [09:03] how was starting back work for you? [09:04] yeah, not too bad. starting back to work is hard - i'm looking forward to the weekend again! [09:05] * mvo hugs chrisccoulson [09:05] weekend! [09:05] * chrisccoulson hugs mvo and seb128 [09:05] mvo - weekends are great:) [09:06] ;-) [09:06] * seb128 hugs chrisccoulson [09:06] hey mvo, how are you? [09:07] reaching software-store 0.2? [09:07] seb128: good, annoyed by vte - it does not deliver my signal anymore :( [09:07] oh [09:08] drives me crazy! [09:08] session restart brb [09:10] chrisccoulson, yeah probably, email me about it and I'll check into it in the morning [09:10] * seb128 hugs mvo for the good work he's doing [09:18] mvo: I have some time to do some developing of software-store now, anything I can do? [09:20] bryce - will do. thanks [09:20] rugby471: please check the TODO list - or just make the html/JS more sexy :) [09:20] my 3G connection keeps disconnecting me! [09:20] mvo : okay [09:21] rugby471: one thing I noticed is that the animated "loading.gif" when fading in will have a black square, that looks ugly on the fade [09:21] ok [09:21] rugby471: so I disabled it for now [09:21] but that is probably not a big thing and would be nice to have [09:21] A bird flew in the way of your microwave. [09:22] Somewhere, somebody is eating.... [09:22] rugby471: appdetailsview.py:wksub_iconpath_loading() has the code [09:36] rugby471: mvo: is it possible to open the software store always in the middle of the screen? or is it too much work? [09:36] for karmic? [09:39] mac_v: no, that should be fine (and is a good idea IMO) [09:39] ok filing a bug :) [09:50] mvo: just so you know, the installed icon path is currently messed up [09:50] file:./data/icons/24x24/emblems/softwarestore_installed.png doesn't work [09:50] rugby471: is it? I thought I fixed that :/ [09:50] oh, this one [09:50] yeah [09:51] mvo: it seems we also have trouble when the icon for the application is svg or xpm [09:51] maybe we shall have to convert to base/64 and then insert? [09:52] thats a good idea [09:52] xpm is not supported [09:52] I asked on #webkit [09:52] http://docs.python.org/library/binascii.html, I shall have a look at it [09:52] ok [09:53] cool, thanks! [09:53] mvo: I was thinking gtk.new_pixbuf_from_file and then pass that data to binascii.a2b_base64 [09:53] yeah, that makes sense [09:53] hehe that is what I shall do then :-) [09:54] mvo: where is the subs dictionary located now? [09:55] rugby471: wksubs_$name is called now instead [09:55] ok [09:55] rugby471: I felt its more readable this was [09:55] way [10:04] mvo: how can we access the info we have submitted to lp via checkbox? [10:04] after sending ? [10:06] mac_v: sorry, I don't know [10:06] <\sh> guys, simple question: since one of the last gnome desktop updates on karmic, my whole screen setup is out of order...panels which were on my first screen are now on the second, and it's not possible anymore to create or move the panels on the first screen...any reason why that happend or is it a default behaviour? [10:06] mvo: oops , sorry , i thought it was one of the apps you maintain :) [10:08] ! | \sh [10:08] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [10:08] !topic | \sh [10:08] \sh: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [10:10] \sh: try holding alt to move the panels [10:11] <\sh> rugby471: ok..my fault of thinking too straight ;) [10:12] you should talk to vuntz about gnome-panel change [10:13] but almost nobody doing work there has multi screen configs to test that sort of things [10:13] could be the change on gnome bug #562944 [10:13] Gnome bug 562944 in general "Make use of the randr 1.3 primary output" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562944 [10:18] <\sh> seb128: that's it, at least it reads like the behaviour I have now...the fun part about it, that xrandr doesn't tell me which device is the primary and what the secondary... [10:19] comments on the upstream bug are welcome I guess [10:20] we have users with too much free time [10:20] we got a bug saying that year 0 should not be listed in the calendar [10:21] it takes ages to scroll years until 0, it's amazing that users try that only to open a bug [10:21] <\sh> seb128: done [10:22] thanks [10:31] dpm: ok, I think I have my part of the translations talk done now [10:34] pitti: great, thanks. Shall we still have a call today together with danilo to discuss any details? [10:35] dpm: if you wish, sure; a quick 10-minute call for coordination might be good [10:36] pitti: ok, let's do it then. I was telling you 14:00 yesterday, but it might have to be 15:00. Let me check and I come back to you in a few minutes [10:37] dpm: ok; I need to leave for about an hour now [10:38] parents are on vac, and their heating is leaking [10:38] need to check whether the flat is under water already :/ [10:38] oh dear, have fun repairing! [11:03] seb128: hi. It would be good to change the default gst src in Karmic in order to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good0.10/+bug/419169 [11:03] Launchpad bug 419169 in gst-plugins-good0.10 "Empathy in Karmic, audio support is horrible" [Undecided,New] [11:03] slomo, ^ any opinion on that? [11:03] cassidy, do you know why it's not default upstream too? [11:04] seb128: that's downstream decision, Gst can't assume that pulse is used everywhere [11:04] in any case it seems it would make sense for debian too? [11:04] seb128: yes, pulsesrc should be made the default in ubuntu [11:05] cassidy, slomo: thanks, I will change that after the alpha freeze [11:06] seb128: no, Debian doesn't use PA by default [11:06] ok, will change for ubuntu [11:06] thanks for pinging about that one ;-) [11:07] np :) [11:07] I except lot of people complaining that sound is shit so I prefer to have it fixed now :) [11:08] cassidy, do you know why alsa doesn't work correctly though? [11:08] ideally that should be working fine too [11:09] seb128: no idea, I'm a gst noob, I just relay the info [11:09] asac, can you open https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=18147 from firefox? [11:09] cassidy, ok [11:09] seb128: no [11:09] seb128: odd [11:10] seb128: it suggests the right appliction (Document Viewer) and then it fails [11:10] asac, ok, same here, I was wondering if I screwed my config or something [11:10] it works on other pdfs though [11:10] could be that bugzilla sends the wrong mimetype which confuses firefox? [11:10] could be that its some mime-type config issue in gnomevfs or mailcap [11:10] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=18147&action=edit has the wrong one [11:10] yes [11:10] what does it send? [11:11] maybe ffox guesses the right helper based on extension (.pdf) and then gets confused because of mime type later [11:11] asac, dunno but it works after fixing the mimetype in bugzilla now [11:11] * asac runs it with live headers [11:11] it was set on application/octet... [11:12] you fixed it? [11:12] it suddently started to work [11:12] yes [11:12] I changed to application/pdf to see if that fixes it [11:12] and that does [11:12] I guess firefox try to be smart rather than just calling evince after download [11:12] ok can you file a bug and attach a .pdf in launchpad and set it to application/octet [11:12] maybe we can reproduce it there ;) [11:12] that would be best i guess [11:12] yes [11:12] there is something buggy [11:13] most likely it just always bails out hard somewhere if the mimetype has no association [11:13] even though it has a proper app set [11:14] asac, yes, same issue in launchpad, I will open a bug [11:14] thx. plerase against xulrunner-1.9.1 and assign to me [11:14] set to triage [11:14] ok thanks [11:30] asac, done [11:30] hey seb128 [11:30] hello james_w [11:31] think we should disable the automatic font installation? [11:31] as it doesn't work [11:31] hey james_w [11:31] :) [11:31] salut huats_ [11:31] james_w, where is it? I didn't notice that was on [11:31] can't remember [11:31] I think gnome-settings-daemon [11:31] james_w, is there a way to make that working using aptdaemon? [11:31] somewhere I thought was odd [11:31] it would work fine [11:32] except that we don't expose the font information in such a way that it could be used [11:32] I'm fine turning it on, I've just no clue how and where to trigger it [11:32] so not sure how to test if it's on or not now [11:32] turning it off [11:32] ask slangasek to forward you that spam? [11:32] ie, if you want to submit a patch you are welcome [11:32] from -devel [11:33] ah, I just read that now [11:33] hmm, gconf-editor just says for everything [11:33] let me try to figure where is the install code [11:34] are you in the schemas section? [11:34] ah, that would do it :-) [11:37] Hey did anyone get a warning on logout that the empathy contact list window doesn't support session saving? [11:39] ah, it's a change in packagekit-gnome needed [11:39] I can do that [11:39] I don't but I don't use empathy often and I'm not sure compiz displays those [11:39] would be nice to have [11:39] james_w, did you find where is the code which does that? [11:40] we need to label font packages with their language coverage to do that though [11:40] it ships a gtk module that intercepts failing font lookups [11:40] you can tweak gconf to prevent it from doing anything [11:40] ah ok, that would explain why I don't get it [11:40] lool: I did had this message yesterday [11:41] lool - that is a silly metacity warning, and it's a bug that it displays on every logout [11:41] if we don't ship the gtk module then every gtk program starting emits a warning [11:41] so we can either ship this (currently) useless thing, or not ship it and change the gconf key that makes it look for that module [11:42] lool - the warning is likely to be moved to another code path in metacity, so it displays when you're actually trying to save your session rather than log out [11:42] although, I disagree that the warning should be shown at all [11:42] chrisccoulson: Ok thanks [11:43] which is in gnome-settings-daemon [11:44] james_w, we don't install packagekit by default though so it's not a real issue, is it? [11:44] sort of [11:44] "if we don't ship the gtk module then every gtk program starting emits a warning" [11:44] so we get that in the default install [11:50] * lool agrees with james_w that gconf settings listing expected apps/modules should match the ones we ship so if we dont ship PK bits by default we shold not list them in the default config either [11:50] I think it's silly there is gconf for that though [11:51] oh, you mean we would get an error when something try to install a font? [11:51] no [11:51] because I don't get a warning every time I start an application [11:52] hmm, does installing packagekit modify gnome-setttings-daemon's gconf? [11:52] yes [11:52] ok [11:52] sorry for the noise [11:52] what gconf key are you speaking about? [11:52] I can fix this, not an issue for the default install [11:52] ok, that makes sense now [11:52] thanks! [11:53] we just disable the prompting, because it's broken [12:02] pitti: I got an issue with jockey-kde I click on the ati fglrx driver and hit Activate and nothing [12:05] davmor2: it doesn't even bring up the progress dialog? [12:05] pitti: no [12:05] davmor2: could you please start "sudo jockey-kde" in a terminal and try that instead? [12:05] davmor2: oh, hang on, please pastebin /var/log/jockey.log before [12:06] pitti: will do [12:07] seb128: so i changed the mimetype to octet-stream ... (you had octec-stream) and now it doesnt offer to open at all :/ [12:07] seb128: looking at bug 419645 [12:07] Launchpad bug 419645 in gnome-settings-daemon "Update to 2.27.91" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419645 [12:09] pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/264352 [12:14] pitti, thanks, is karmic unfrozen yet? [12:15] argh, X freeze [12:15] asac, well the typo was a good testcase then ;-) [12:15] pitti, X or compiz? [12:15] davmor2: that pastebin looks okay, but no trace of the activation attempt [12:15] seb128: X [12:15] ok [12:15] seb128: right, I won't upload it yet [12:15] pitti, ok, I was just wondering because I've queue some sponsoring and uploads too [12:16] pitti, do you know how to verify crc32 sums for dbg by hand? [12:16] objdump -x lib gives the debug section [12:16] seb128: I'm afraid not [12:16] but I don't remember how to get the debug one to see if it's matching [12:16] pitti, ok, no worry, that was in case [12:19] seb128: you say the typo is needed? [12:19] heh [12:19] yeah [12:20] strange [12:20] let me check if I can see the value which was on bugzilla before I changed it [12:21] asac, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=6923 [12:21] asac, seems it was application/x-octetstream there before [12:22] ok lets use that then [12:22] * asac updates bug again [12:22] but it any case if firefox figure the right application it should just run it [12:22] it seems to do extra mimetype checking which is not required [12:22] nothing to argue [12:23] bug is valid [12:23] and medium at least [12:24] * asac gets latest firefox 3.7 daily to see if its an issue there [12:25] ... still cannot drag menu item to panel ;) [12:26] also issue on trunk [12:26] thx === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:55] asac, dnd menu items should be fixed, it's working there [12:55] asac, what gtk version do you run? [12:59] 2.17.10-0ubuntu1 [12:59] seb128: ^^ [13:00] asac, did you restart your session since the update? [13:00] it was 1.5 days ago [13:00] i doubt it ... let me kill the panel [13:01] seb128: thx. its indeed fixed [13:01] good, thanks for testing and confirming [13:05] pitti, are you looking to those retracers crashes? I get a new set of emails, is that you who cleaned and the retracers crashers again? [13:11] seb128: I uploaded libunique 1.1.2 to experimental. I forgot about the pot change, but shouldn't that go upstream anyway? [13:11] pochu, that could, there is nothing obviously wrong by shipping an empty file there but that breaks the languagepack tools [13:12] I guess they could as well update it or not ship it though [13:21] * bigon wonders if galago still alive [13:28] * Ng hrms at the f-spot screensaver. doesn't seem to be working [13:29] seb128: yes, I did [13:29] argh, they crashed again [13:30] KeyError: 'content_type' [13:30] right [13:30] ah, that again [13:30] I just fixed that in trunk [13:30] I just deleted the "expectation failed" ones [13:30] what was that? [13:30] seb128: I'll do an upload soon and restart them afterwards [13:30] pitti, ok thanks [13:31] seb128: this "HttpError 417 Precondition failed" goo [13:31] ah that === davmor22 is now known as davmor2 [13:37] pitti: sorry about that t'interweb died [13:37] hey davmor2, wb [13:37] did you get my replies? [13:38] davmor2: no, I didn't [13:39] (12:09:47) davmor2: pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/264352 [13:39] (12:13:28) davmor2: pitti: same thing when doing sudo jockey-kde. However the terminal says Error "/var/tmp/kdecache-tester" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0 and Error "/tmp/kde-tester" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0 [13:39] pitti: I'm just grabbing the html logs to see what I missed [13:46] davmor2: no idea aobut the kdetester stuff, I'm afraid [13:46] davmor2: I'll boot the kde netbook system and try it there, I guess [13:50] pitti: I can give you ssh-server access tomorrow but I need it for testing today [13:54] pitti: hey. does distutils-extra do some funky stuff to hook into distutils by default? [13:55] dobey: some more details, please? [13:56] seb128: is Bug #423542 a dup of the libgnome bug ? it is something that has started recently after the updates [13:56] Launchpad bug 423542 in gtk+2.0 "No icons in application/System Gnome menus (dup-of: 407621)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423542 [13:56] Launchpad bug 407621 in libgnome "(design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407621 [13:56] pitti: doing "./setup.py check" works in modules that don't even use distutils-extra for anything :) [13:56] mac_v, right, once gnome-panel has been fixed to respect the option [13:56] pitti: so i was quite confused by it doing stuff [13:57] seb128: it also affects the nautilus context menus [13:57] dobey: isn't is supposed to? [13:57] mac_v, the very first entry you mean? that's an another bug and a nautilus one and fixed in git already [13:57] dobey: didn't you write that even? :-) [13:58] pitti: i wrote it, but i don't think modules that don't import distutils-extra at all should get its commands, should they? [13:58] mac_v, http://git.gnome.org/cgit/nautilus/commit/?id=064086ef68a0692ac9050b7a0d3ded4a836c8180 [13:59] dobey: TTYL, conf call [13:59] seb128: yup , the first entries , but i think that did not solve it > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387796/comments/35 [13:59] Launchpad bug 387796 in nautilus "Display application icons for "Open With" entries in the context-menu" [Wishlist,Fix released] === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:00] mac_v, what didn't solve it? the git commit is not in karmic yet [14:00] oh , ok , it looked similar to the earlier patch ;) , , nevermind then [14:00] mac_v, did you try a git build? [14:01] mac_v, the gnome-panel change is under discussion apparently though [14:01] mac_v, I think it looks very weird but I'm not a designer [14:01] mac_v, you can maybe try to get mpt's view on that one [14:01]