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warneriulian: I just updated #419510 to hopefully make it into a proper sync request for foolscap (which is the remaining dependency for tahoe)00:28
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LaserJockok, this could maybe be a stupid question, but update-maintainer doesn't seem to be working, it just puts in me as Maintainer and not MOTU/Core Dev, is something wrong?02:41
dtchenLaserJock: probably a bug; see the changes in ubuntu-dev-tools 0.7602:54
LaserJockohh, update-maintainer now checks to see if the packages is in Debian unstable03:15
LaserJockhmm03:15
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Laibschgood morning06:27
Laibschwhy does the PPA try to build for lpia architecture when the control file looks like http://paste.debian.net/45594/ ?06:27
dholbachgood morning06:46
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thermHello, could somebody please sync velocity from debian? bug 42328407:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 423284 in velocity "Please sync velocity from debian (1.6.2) to universe (at the moment 1.4) " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42328407:06
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thermcould somebody please sync velocity from debian? bug 42328407:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 423284 in velocity "Please sync velocity from debian (1.6.2) to universe (at the moment 1.4) " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42328407:34
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sujihi10:48
PartyBoi2hi suji10:48
sujii have fixed some bugs in xkeyboard-config, where to i send the patch file?10:50
runasandsuji: to the bug report10:50
runasandsuji: just write a comment and add the patch10:50
sujirunasand:in where?10:50
runasandsuji: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config10:51
runasandsuji: if there's no bug report open for the bugs that you have fixed, report them and add the patch10:51
sujirunasand: okey10:52
dreamcat4i've made a package for a new php5 variant10:53
dreamcat4'php5-fpm' - a faster alternative to php5-fcgi10:54
dreamcat4REVU: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/php510:54
dreamcat4Needs review10:54
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thermcould somebody please sync velocity from debian? bug 42328412:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 423284 in velocity "Please sync velocity from debian (1.6.2) to universe (at the moment 1.4) " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42328412:59
andvtherm, you need an FFe for it13:00
andvtherm, we are past FF as you may know13:01
pochu!ffe13:01
ubottuuvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d613:01
andvpochu, ty13:01
andv:)13:02
Laneyoldskool13:02
pochuhey andv, yw :)13:02
pochuhiya Laney13:02
Laneyafternoon pochu13:02
Laneygoocanvasmm was accepted pretty fast13:02
thermandv: but isnt it just an update, not a really feature?^^13:02
Laney...now we can update glom13:03
andvpochu, ;)13:03
andvtherm, it's a new upstream release13:03
andvtherm, so you need an FFe, check the link below for more informations.13:03
thermandv, ok13:03
pochuLaney: :)13:04
andvtherm, document which tests you've done on karmic with the latest package13:05
andvtherm, move it to an FFe13:05
andvtherm, subscribe motu-release for processing it13:05
Laneythe new ftpmasters seems to have done the trick, eh13:05
directhexpochu, oh, that g-d-s package ought to be ready, i think13:06
directhexpochu, give it a test-build in sid13:06
pochugreat, where can I find it?13:06
pochudirecthex: or do you mean you're giving it?13:06
directhexpkg-cli-libs on alioth13:06
pochualright13:07
pochusvn?13:07
directhexyeah13:07
pochucool13:07
directhexi'm too lazy and/or stupid to convert to git13:07
pochusvn works just fine13:07
pochuit could be faster though :)13:07
james_wcan anyone tell me what the code is likely doing wrong to trigger the segfault in bug 414576?13:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 414576 in policykit "systemsettings crashed with SIGSEGV in polkit_authorization_db_is_caller_authorized()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41457613:08
pochudirecthex: it builds, but lintian output is scary ;)13:18
directhexpochu, which lintian output isn't simple "whaaaa NMU" stuff?13:18
pochudirecthex: it's not about NMU :)13:19
pochuwell that too, but that doesn't make it scary13:19
directhexwhich bits are scary then? i have no sid pbuilder on here13:19
pochuhttp://paste.debian.net/45611/13:22
pochuthere are many errors, but fixing debian/copyright should get rid of all of them13:22
directhexbleh. i tend to only notice source errors from lintian13:24
directhexokay, so the package needs a little love13:24
AnAntis it alright to add a new package in multiverse now ?13:27
AnAntor is that freezed ?13:27
AnAntsorry, I meant universe13:28
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bigondholbach: hi, I'm adjusting the dependencies of meta-telepathy pkgs and telepathy-devel-gtk will pull nothing any more as I remove the 2 last depends13:42
directhexpochu, apparently sid is unpbuilderable again today, but try now?13:56
directhexW: Failure while configuring base packages.13:58
directhexpbuilder: debootstrap failed13:58
dholbachbigon: sure, do whatever you like with the package :)14:16
dholbachbigon: I might still have an interest in telepathy in general, but I can't call myself a maintainer there, so I'll trust you :)14:17
bigondholbach: ok14:18
* dholbach hugs bigon14:18
dholbachgreat work!14:18
pochudirecthex: much better now :)14:29
pochudirecthex: want me to upload? if so, shall I ignore the NMU warnings?14:29
pochu-> #d-cli14:29
blackxoredhello everybody14:47
andvhello14:57
andvblackxored, so the automatic updates for vuze are only done to plugins?14:58
blackxoredandv, effectively14:59
blackxoredmandatory and non-mandatory plugins only14:59
blackxoredno core, no core patcher, and no swt, at the moment14:59
andvblackxored, so you disabled all core / swt libraries except plugins14:59
andvwhich don't do any harm to the archive15:00
andvlooks ok15:00
blackxoredandv, exactly my point15:00
andvperfect then15:00
blackxoredthe patches are simple as you may see, no big deal, but since I got revision from upstream devs, I15:00
blackxoredam pretty comfortable with it ;)15:00
andvScottK, did you read the follow ups about azureus?15:01
ScottKandv: I did.  I plan to look into it a bit later today.15:01
andvScottK, looks great, thanks15:01
blackxoredandv, if no more questions and you're ok with it, that seems fine to me, back to work, don't you mind, right?15:04
andvblackxored, you've explained everything on the bug report15:05
andvblackxored, we just need scott to check it later today15:05
andvand then should be fine15:05
blackxoredandv, great, BTW sorry about the FFE15:05
blackxoredsee you around15:05
andvnp15:05
andvcya15:05
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trip0i need to run aclocal+automake+autoconf before I configure for my package.  Where do I add that to my debian/rules file for it to work properly?15:26
james_wtrip0: add "autoreconf -i" as before the ./configure call in the "configure:" target15:30
bddebianHeya gang15:36
bigonshouldn't gallago completely dropped from the archive?15:41
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macoi was going to package up mypaint, but i just noticed its in sid. how do i go about asking for it to be pulled from sid into karmic?16:00
geserusually with a sync request but we are in feature freeze now, so you need an exception to sync it right now16:01
dholbachUbuntu Developer Week will start in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom16:35
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andvbdrung_, please update the audacity sync request into a proper FFe17:45
RainCT_dyfet: Hey. Are you a MOTU?18:41
dyfetNot yet :)18:41
dreamcat4RainCT; Brand new php package uploaded 'php-fpm'18:44
dreamcat4faster / more effecient php18:45
dreamcat4Can check it out at REVU: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/php518:45
ScottKGet your box rooted even faster than before. ...18:45
dreamcat4Just writing out a freeze exception request for Karmic18:45
RainCT_haha18:45
dreamcat4Paired with nginx = much more memory effectient than apache 218:46
RainCT_ScottK: don't like PHP? :)18:46
ScottKRainCT_: I'd say I have a realistic perspective on php.18:47
dreamcat4I built it with all the php security patches18:47
mok0Why19:03
mok0can't I send to channel #ubuntu-classroom?19:03
AntoineLeclairthe channel is muted for the week19:04
AntoineLeclairyou have to talk on #ubuntu-classroom-chat19:04
AntoineLeclairto avoid the chaos ;)19:04
mok0AntoineLeclair: ... even if I'm the instructor?19:04
AntoineLeclairha, lol!!!19:04
RainCT_mok0: you're getting answers in -chat19:06
mok0RainCT_: thx19:06
RainCT_dyfet: hm, have you tested pocketsphinx? pocketsphinx_wsj runs here but I can't get it to recognize anything19:18
dyfetRainCT_: are you trying on karmic or jaunty?19:19
RainCT_dyfet: karmic19:19
dyfetRainCT_: I recall there are some audio issues in Jaunty/gstreamer/pulse audio...19:19
dyfetRainCT_: (I meant karmic :)19:20
RainCT_(julius is working though)19:20
RainCT_dyfet: well, I'll trust you if you say it works :)19:20
dyfetRainCT_: I was going to re-test Jaunty, though, just to be sure nothing indeed got broken :).19:21
dyfetRainCT_: The only other question I saw with the current package is that the source patches are also part of the deb diff, and not handled as separate patches in a debian/patches directory like with dpatch for example...19:22
RainCT_dyfet: It's only the one change at the top of a source file, right?19:22
RainCT_ie the declaration for ps_get_prob19:24
dyfetRainCT_: true, just a header.  If its not an issue for it being promoted, then that is good :)19:24
RainCT_dyfet: It's okay by me, especially as it will probably only be necessary for this release19:26
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RainCT_dyfet: It needs to be documented in debian/changelog however. I'm about to upload a new revision fixing this and some other stuff (like a missing dependency on python-sphinxbase, missing copyright holder in debian/cpoyright, etc.)19:27
dyfetRainCT_: that I missed spotting....19:28
RainCT_dyfet: Wanna fill the FFe? :)19:34
dyfetRainCT_: Sure...Do I just add a short explanation to the bug in launchpad and subscribe motu-release?19:35
RainCT_dyfet: Yes, I'd say use the stuff from the mailing list, and include a link to the package on REVU.19:36
dyfetRainCT_: which stuff from the mailing list? :)19:36
RainCT_dyfet: You should know, you answered to the thread :P. (Ie. blueprint, gnome-voice-control, no effect on other stuff..).19:38
dyfetRainCT_: lol!  Yes, I recall that...I just could not find the original message about ffe's in general ;).19:39
dyfetRainCT_: speaking of which I should also move the lubuntu meta into revu properly and do that for it's ffe....19:40
fabrice_spHi. Can any MOTU check Bug #416262, to see if I need some MOTU release ack?19:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 416262 in aptoncd "Sync aptoncd 0.1.98+bzr112-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41626219:40
fabrice_spthere is no upstream new functionalities since a long time, but I prefer to be sure19:41
fabrice_spor should I subscribe MOTU Release, just in case?19:42
RainCT_fabrice_sp: if those releases are bugfix only that shoudln't be necessary19:42
fabrice_spRainCT_, Should I bring some upstream changelog then, to justify that?19:44
RainCT_fabrice_sp: Yes, that's usually a good thing to do19:45
fabrice_spok. Thanks :-)19:46
dyfetRainCT_: I will subscribe motu-release to #129758 as soon as you upload your changes...19:50
RainCT_looks like dput is hanging on the last kb...19:53
RainCT_dyfet: ok it's up19:58
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j^any chance that http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/oggvideotools gets into ubuntu?21:16
fabrice_spj^, you have 3 lintian warnings in the source. Yo ushould fix them21:19
fabrice_spcommented in REVU. Have to go. Bye21:24
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LinuxDruidwhats the best way for me to get involved with Motu?21:25
hyperairlearn how to package, fix bugs, package new things21:30
hyperairsync/merge stuff from debian21:30
hyperairoh wait he disappeared =.=21:30
MDC1i'd need some packaging advice; i've created a patch for nautilus and have a git repo for it as well. It adds a lot of files and therefor Makefile.am and Configure.in is changed BUT nautilus don't use autogen when building the package - whats the best thing to do? create an additional patch that patch the Makefiles and configure files or is there a better solution?21:32
dreamcat4you can21:34
dreamcat4submit a contribution to upstream SCM for nautilus21:34
dreamcat4(after regenerating with new makefiles, confiure file, etc)21:35
MDC1dreamcat4, well, upstream is aware of the patches but this is WIP and i'd like to provide a PPA for people to test the features21:36
hyperairMDC1: there are three ways.21:37
mzzI'm pretty new to this myself, but when facing something similar I just added an additional patch that touched just the generated files (using autoreconf, but running autotools more selectively might be a good idea)21:37
dreamcat4You can make your own orig.tar.gz21:37
hyperairMDC1: one is to edit the corresponding snippets in Makefile.in, which is what i do if it isn't too complex21:37
hyperairMDC1: another is to have a 99_autoreconf.patch which basically runs autoreconf -vfi over it. quite ugly, and makes for a large patch.21:38
hyperairMDC1: the third, which i use if #1 isn't feasible, is to have my clean rule remove all Makefile.in's21:38
hyperairand run autoreconf -vfi during build, prior to configure21:38
mzzMDC1: personally I'm allergic to patching generated files, but perhaps that's just me. Seems a little too easy to accidentally drop changes because some build system decides to regenerate files.21:38
dreamcat4yeah - if you patched the autogen files, then must touch -r after patching21:39
hyperairtouch -r?21:39
hyperairdon't have to bother, really21:39
hyperairdiff.gz doesn't take note of time21:39
mzzMDC1: so I just went for the 99_autoreconf.patch approach, which should work reliably. I'm too new to debian patching to comment on which works better in practice, that or regenerating at build time.21:40
MDC1hmm.. so no obvious thing to do then..21:40
hyperairit also doesn't take note of deleted files, which is why #3 that i suggested works.21:40
hyperairMDC1: i suggest that you either patch all the Makefile.in's accordingly, or run autoreconf -vfi at build time and remove your Makefile.in's at clean time21:40
mzzyay, disagreement21:40
hyperairthe autoreconf method works well21:41
hyperairi just don't like it because it makes for a large patch21:41
mzzit does make for a large patch, but when is that really a problem? Someone who actually wants to look at it should be able to notice that this particular patch inside the patch is ignorable.21:41
hyperairnot just large, but humongous21:41
hyperairi don't like big patches, for whatever reason21:42
mzzbut sure, they'll easily make up 90% or so of your total diff21:42
MDC1hyperair, thanks a lot the tips, i think i'll go with patching the .in files, seems the easist to do as it's just for ppa21:42
mzzsame's true when diffing upstream release tarballs :)21:42
mzzMDC1: if you go that route do doublecheck the patch actually takes (if whatever it does doesn't result in a build failure if it's not applied)21:42
hyperairMDC1: it can get tedious, and if you've made enough changes, you may miss out something.21:42
hyperairmzz: who asked you to diff your upstream release tarballs?21:43
dreamcat4Yeah, just don't forget that patching some files and not others in the autoconf dependancy chain will cause make issues21:43
mzzhyperair: me!21:43
hyperairmzz: too bad for you the.21:43
hyperairthen*21:43
hyperairsuch huge diffs are crazy to review21:43
mzzhyperair: I tend to at least diff configure.ac to see if there are any new switches I should be aware of. Also check for any new documentation or the like I should make sure gets installed.21:43
MDC1hyperair, trial and error then ;-)21:43
mzzhyperair: I don't actually review the diffs, but the diffstat can be interesting.21:43
hyperairyes, it is interesting. but we're going off topic already.21:44
hyperairi'm complaining that it makes for an enormous diff that stays within the tree21:44
mzzsorry! I shall wander off again21:44
MDC1as karmic is feature freeze - there's no way a toolbar editor for nautilus could make it - right?21:44
hyperairespecially if you keep packaging work within a VCS of some sort, it's annoying to refresh the patch every time you make a build change, considering the patch only contains auto-generated changes.21:45
hyperairMDC1: toolbar editor.. probably not.21:45
hyperairnot unless you can provide a good enough reason in an FFe21:46
mzzI haven't figured out a nice workflow for that yet (branch upstream's source and add the debian/ dir or version-control just the debian/ dir separately?) I guess I should've attended the -class session on this earlier :(21:46
MDC1hyperair, ok, well - first i need people testing the patches and reviewing the code...21:47
hyperairmzz: read up git-buildpackage's docs21:48
mzzthis sounds like it would involve me learning git21:49
hyperaireach VCS-buildpackage tool has its own workflow(s)21:49
hyperairwell if you don't like git then use bzr builddeb or something21:49
hyperairor svn buildpackage21:49
mzzbzr builddeb sounds promising. Thanks for the pointer :)21:49
hyperair=)21:49
mzz(I figured I must be missing something when debuild went and tried to stuff my .bzr dir in the .diff.gz)21:50
hyperairi rather like git buildpackage because of pristine-tar deltas21:50
hyperairheh21:50
hyperairdebuild -i.bzr21:50
mzzyeah, I found that, but it still felt like I must be missing something.21:50
mzzalso, weird upstream dist tarballs are annoying.21:50
hyperairheh of course21:50
hyperairit's the packager's job to either work around it, or convince upstream to fix it21:51
hyperairthe latter is a better option21:51
mzzyep (if upstream's using autotools or some other well-tested system their dist tarballs should end up mostly sane)21:51
hyperairheh not always21:52
hyperairif they use make dist, usually it's sane21:52
hyperairbut some of them insist on using tar -c(z|j)f21:52
mzzif they use make distcheck chances of sanity improve further21:52
hyperairthere was bansheelyricsplugin which had a tarball created using that method sometime back21:52
hyperairhad all kinds of cruft21:52
hyperairlike .svn, and Makefile files with plenty of hardcoded paths21:52
hyperairand missing Makefile.in's21:52
hyperairit had me pulling my hair out21:53
mzzthis thing had a bunch of .DS_store (or something similar) files in it that iiuc were an artifact of the archiving tool used21:53
mzzthey obviously weren't in their version control system, which interfered a bit with what I was trying to do21:53
hyperairartifact of it sticking around on a mac system.21:53
hyperair.DS_store is for mac metadata iirc21:53
hyperaireither trash or something21:53
mzzalso a patches/ dir that greatly confused me until I noticed it wasn't in their version control either, so I'm assuming they're patches whoever rolled the release had stashed away there for some reason21:54
hyperairyou can leave a patches/ dir around21:54
hyperairdon't clean up unnecessary cruft21:54
mzzwell, I was trying to do something screwy where I was using a source control branch with the debian/ dir added in to do my packaging, while using the upstream release tarball as .orig.tar.gz, and iirc debuild complained it couldn't represent the file "deletions" that were occurring21:55
mzzwhich really just indicates my workflow's broken and I shouldn't mix a source control checkout and original tarball like that21:56
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mzzstill, I'm making progress! May even end up contributing to MOTU instead of just doing silly ppa things at some point :)21:58
hyperairmzz: it's a start. don't need to learn how to use VCSes to contribute, but when you get deeper, you will ahve to know.22:23
hyperairalso file deletions are fine imo. it's the reason why i suggested the clean rule purging all Makefile.ins in the first place22:25
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neversfeldebug 221531 needs a SRU22:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 221531 in kopete-plugin-thinklight "Thinklight doesn't blink because /proc/acpi/ibm/thinklight has wrong permissions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22153122:48
neversfeldeto whom can I talk to speed the process up a bit?22:49
HiGuysHi Everyone :). I have a problem. debuild -S -sa returns the error:  debuild: fatal error at line 1329:23:55
HiGuysdpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -us -uc -S -sa failed23:55
dtchenHiGuys: could you provide more context, e.g., pastebin the entire command (including PWD) and stdout/stderr?23:57

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