[00:08] <Riddell> neversfelde: please comment on bug 424035
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> it depends on trunk after 1017841?
[00:11] <neversfelde> Riddell: done
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> ah, knotificationitem movage
[00:12] <Riddell> yeah exactly
[00:12] <Riddell> I havn't talked to wstephenson about his plans for it though
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> my wired connection hasn't died since upgrading
[00:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: upgrading knetworkmanager?
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> yus
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> commented
[00:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you'll need to   killall knetworkmanager; knetworkmanager  to actually test it
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> I had it down before the upgrade
[00:21] <Riddell> groovy
[00:23] <neversfelde> Blizzz: please comment on bug 424035, too
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> the config ui has been improved, too
[00:24] <Blizzz> neversfelde: well, actually, when i click on one of my six unique wirelesses nothing happens
[00:24] <neversfelde> Blizzz: [01:21:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you'll need to   killall knetworkmanager; knetworkmanager  to actually test it
[00:25] <Blizzz> neversfelde: this is a matter of course
[00:25] <Blizzz> ok, i clicked on a foreign wireless
[00:26] <Blizzz> mh, the icon is not very meaningful
[00:26] <Riddell> hmm, maybe that's what I could get everaldo to do
[00:26] <Blizzz> at least, he says activiating. clicking on my wireless still has no effect
[00:27] <Blizzz> ok, it gave up without any message (ok that he gave up).
[00:28] <neversfelde> uh, I forgot to test bdgraue's netbook kdm
[00:28] <Blizzz> i can try to plug off my network cable and see what happens with my wireless then
[00:29] <skreech> Blizzz: Jaunty?
[00:29] <Blizzz> skreech: karmic
[00:29] <Blizzz> but with the package neversfelde provided me and where Riddells name is in the url
[00:30]  * Blizzz plugs out the network
[00:33] <Blizzz> re
[00:33] <Blizzz> quite unsuccessful
[00:35] <Blizzz> nothing happened when i clicken on my wireless. clicked then on the forein wlan, it tried to connect, gave up silently. still could not acitvate my wlan.
[00:35] <Blizzz> at least, plugging the network cable back in worked :)
[00:37] <Blizzz> additionally, the icon is the same when you are connected via cable or disconnected. not too intuitional.
[00:42] <neversfelde> Blizzz: the icon is changing here
[00:43] <Blizzz> neversfelde: what does it look like?
[02:42] <Riddell> I'm packaging amarok beta but it's doing weird things, files are going missing in creating the .deb
[02:43] <Riddell> oh I think it's debhelper 7 weirdness not re-creating arch:all packages
[02:46] <skreech> 2.2 ?
[02:47] <Riddell> yes
[02:47] <Riddell> well throwing it into kubuntu-ppa/experimental, let's see if something arrives by the morning
[02:48] <skreech> ok thought I missed the announcement of the beta :)
[02:48] <Riddell> it's not out yet
[02:49]  * JontheEchidna spies a new kdebluetooth maintainer in #kde-devel
[02:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah just been talking to him
[02:49] <Riddell> hopefully we'll get a new release in time for us to pick up
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> looks like we'll have to patch it for knotificationitem
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> is libepub not in main for security reasons?
[03:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Doesn't look like no one ever asked for it.
[03:05] <ScottK> no one/anyone
[03:15]  * spstarr hates hacks in code :(
[03:22] <skreech> spstarr: So you aren't a hacker?
[03:27] <spstarr> im a developer :)
[03:27] <skreech> ;-
[03:28] <spstarr> but API that is so new makes things harder to develop :)
[03:28] <skreech> ;-)
[03:28] <spstarr> having to use Q_PROPERTY is evil
[03:28] <spstarr> but im stuck, until re-enforcements come tomorrow
[03:28] <spstarr> sure, it works, but that's not the solution
[03:53] <seele> yuriy: the only problem is i wonder if people would look for user settings in system config because everything else is there
[03:53] <seele> can it be like kgrubconfig where it is both?
[03:54] <dtchen> is there a history in Kubuntu of delineating "user" and "system"?
[03:56] <rgreening> seele: with .desktop files, you can do anything. So, you can make something in systemsettings appear as a standalone app (if thats what you were asking yuriy
[05:04] <spstarr> JontheEchidna: you need KAuth for userconfig ;)
[05:04]  * spstarr runs
[06:55] <DaskreecH> !info skrooge karmic
[06:55] <DaskreecH> !info skrooge
[07:06] <spstarr> hmm
[07:06] <spstarr> how is SELinux support on buntu?
[07:07] <spstarr> or is Apparmor still default?
[07:07] <spstarr> (you can remove it as I just did for now)
[07:09] <spstarr> a nice KDE frontend to SELinux == win
[09:09] <ghostcube> hi oO
[09:11] <a|wen-dtu> morning ghostcube
[09:12] <ghostcube> morning a|wen-dtu :)
[09:12] <ghostcube> to early for me i need tons of coffee i think so
[09:12] <ghostcube> ---
[09:12] <a|wen-dtu> me too ... considering my third cup (arrived @work ~1 hour ago)
[09:35] <ghostcube> :) me too heh
[10:11]  * ghostcube can now route alsa out to microfon in :) inside skype B-)
[10:12] <ghostcube> thats mega porn
[10:12] <ghostcube> :D
[10:49] <dpm> Riddell: hi, good morning. Could you give me a hand with bug 376686 (comment #13)? Any ideas why the system-config-printer .desktop file (I guess) still remains in Bulgarian after the fix (I could also reproduce this)?
[11:02] <Riddell> please test amarok  https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[11:02] <Riddell> hi dpm
[11:02] <dpm> hey
[11:03] <Riddell> dunno let me check kde-l10n-eu
[11:09] <jussi01> can someone on karmic check if they have icons in open office when using the obsidian coast theme.?
[11:16] <Riddell> dpm: ok it'll be because we patch system-config-printer-kde (I write it for Kubuntu and sync back to KDE when they re-open their archive) so our .desktop file doesn't match up to the translations in KDE
[11:16] <Riddell> dpm: can we just update the translation in launchpad manually?
[11:17] <dpm> Riddell: let me have a look in LP...
[11:20] <Riddell> or I guess I could manually edit the desktop_kdeadmin.po file in the kde-l10n-eu update but that seems like cheating
[11:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: your blog post makes me laugh
[11:31] <Riddell> jussi01: I didn't even know openoffice had themes
[11:31] <Riddell> jussi01: how do I install that?
[11:33] <jussi01> Riddell: no, system theme - apply in system settings -> colours
[11:33] <jussi01> err appearance -> colours
[11:35] <dpm> Riddell: I think asking the Basque translators to translate this in Launchpad might be the best option, yes. I've just located the strings in LP
[11:49] <dpm> thanks
[11:53] <Riddell> jussi01: hmm, strangely that does get rid of icons
[12:18] <jussi01> Riddell: yeah, its rather strange, no?
[12:19] <Riddell> you'd need to ask shtylman
[12:37] <jussi01> ooh, thats fun. 2 bugs with one stone. Was going to report that icon bug, and this happened... http://paste.ubuntu.com/264916/
[12:42] <taavikko> hmm, is it normal for apport to collect 276MiB sized crash report?
[12:43] <agateau> ScottK: ping
[12:50] <Riddell> taavikko: not sure, maybe if you have debugging symbols already installed it is
[12:51] <taavikko> I don't (at least that I'm aware of) first .crash was 1GiB removed it and tested again
[12:56] <taavikko> Should ask pitti :)
[13:01] <Riddell> nobody able to test amarok?
[13:01]  * a|wen-dtu can test when he gets home from work...
[13:06] <agateau> Riddell: ScottK: ScottK-desktop: seele_: sebas: I agreed with ScottK to create a PPA for my ayatana notifications,
[13:06] <agateau> but I think it would be faster if I just uploaded the modified systray.so file,
[13:06] <agateau> how do you feel about this?
[13:06] <Riddell> agateau: what does that do?
[13:07] <agateau> Implements the opt-in Ayatana notifications discussed on the mailing list
[13:07] <agateau> Riddell ^
[13:07] <agateau> brb
[13:08] <Riddell> presumably is allows for the option, and the actual notification code is in another package?
[13:10] <neversfelde> Riddell: Installation of amarok went fine. All  my covers are gone, but I can listen to music :)
[13:12] <agateau> Riddell: no, all is in the .so
[13:13] <Riddell> agateau: oh so nothing in the PPA?  I think I misread
[13:14] <agateau> Riddell: I could create a PPA containing my version of kdebase-workspace
[13:14] <agateau> or just upload the systray.so
[13:14] <ghostcube> neversfelde: be careful amarok eats mp3 files :D
[13:23] <Riddell> agateau: what's the argument against putting it in the archive?
[13:23] <agateau> Riddell: people would like to test it before integrating it
[13:23] <neversfelde> there are no internet services like last.fm, don't know if this is a packaging problem
[13:23] <Riddell> agateau: also are you planning to fix the issues with the quassel patch any time soon?
[13:24] <agateau> Riddell: oh... I thought you figured this one
[13:24] <agateau> Riddell: it was quoting, isn't it?
[13:26] <Riddell> agateau: also bug 422062
[13:30] <agateau> Riddell: oh ok, yes, will fix
[13:30] <agateau> Riddell: but I would like to get stuff which must be done before ui freeze first
[13:32] <Riddell> agateau: ok I'll upload the quassel patch as is
[14:12] <Riddell> hmm, I think jaunty packages of amarok aren't going to happen, we'd need to backport it to the jaunty package with all its mysql-ness and that's far too tricky
[14:13]  * seele_ wonders if the conversation about the messaging menu is over without an answer
[14:13] <Riddell> seele_: which one, there's more than one :)
[14:14] <seele> the question i had about the purpose of the MI
[14:14] <Riddell> I think I missed that
[14:14] <seele> and why you would list applications which do not have messages in it
[14:14] <seele> it's on ayatana
[14:15] <Riddell> not looked into that but it's consistent with the systray type behaviour where windows disappeared but the systray icon was always there if you wanted to open the window
[14:16] <seele> no it's not consistent with the systray
[14:16] <seele> when the application is not running then the application is not listed in systray
[14:17] <seele> in the proposed v2 design, appliactions are always listed in the message indicator for the purpose of providing an additional way for hte user to start the application
[14:17] <flacoste> since i upgrade to kde 4.3.1 (Jaunty using backports PPA), knetworkmanager keeps crashing on me
[14:17] <Riddell> oh then definately something I've not looked at
[14:17] <Riddell> flacoste: grab the .deb here people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/jaunty
[14:18] <seele> Riddell: i think it is in the works for v2, dunno if it is released yet to see
[14:18] <flacoste> Riddell: thanks!
[14:18] <seele> this is somethign aurelian was telling me the other day so i asked a question to find out more
[14:18] <Riddell> flacoste: I'm currently battling with a compile issue I can't recreate so it's not in the archive :(
[14:18] <seele> because the wiki documentation is either out of date or incorrect or whatever
[14:21] <flacoste> Riddell: ok, so that's the new plasma widget to really replace knetworkmanager
[14:21] <flacoste> Riddell: hmm, and it won't work on my system, i need amd64
[14:21] <flacoste> how is it different than the network management widget already in 4.3.1?
[14:22] <Riddell> flacoste: it's knetworkmanager for KDE 4, the plasmoid frontend is currently not working
[14:22] <Riddell> flacoste: it's just an updated svn snapshot compared to what comes with the jaunty backports PPA
[14:22] <flacoste> ah, ok
[14:23] <flacoste> looks like that until you solve that compile issue and succeed in putting it in the archive, i'm stuck with restarting knetworkmanager
[14:24] <Riddell> flacoste: I think I got the compile fixed so I'll upload and it should appear shortly
[14:24] <flacoste> great!
[14:41] <agateau> Riddell: ScottK: sebas: seele: New version of Ayatana notifications uploaded
[14:41] <ScottK> Riddell: I suggested a ppa for now because it isn't clear, particularly from sebas comments, that agateau's patch is mature enough that we want to put it in the archive yet.  Since it'll be off by default, I don't think U/I freeze is a major issue.
[14:41] <ScottK> agateau: To PPA?
[14:41] <agateau> ScottK: no :/
[14:41] <ScottK> Where?
[14:41] <agateau> But since the change is a single .so, I uploaded it
[14:42] <agateau> http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/plasma-ayatana-notifications/index.html
[14:42] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:42] <ScottK> I'm heading out the door, but I'll try to have a look tonight.
[14:42] <agateau> It felt faster for me and probably simpler for you to test
[14:42] <agateau> ScottK: thanks
[14:42] <agateau> I updated the screenshots also
[14:42] <seele> wow.. very strange
[14:43] <agateau> because the previous one did not make it clear that the notifications appears on top of the windows
[14:43] <seele> quassel is still showing me as seele_ and idle in the nickname list
[14:43] <seele> ooh screenshots
[14:43]  * seele clicks
[14:43] <agateau> seele: I wanted to talk with you about the configuration ui
[14:44] <agateau> seele: I introduced a "Lighter notifications" checkbox
[14:44] <agateau> but I am not sure it sounds correct
[14:46] <agateau> seele: the Kopete shot shows a huge icon,
[14:46] <seele> what are lighter notifications?
[14:46] <agateau> This is where you enable Ayatana notifications
[14:46] <agateau> Do you think it should explicitly mention "Ayatana"?
[14:47] <agateau> I thought "Ayatana notifications" would sound too geeky
[14:49] <seele> hmm.. i tihnk maybe you could make it a "notification style"
[14:49] <seele> and the options could be "KDE default" and "Ayatana style" or whatever
[14:50] <seele> it would be cool if there was a preview or test so that users could see what the two look like
[14:50] <seele> or a short description of the difference
[14:50] <seele> but i dont know if that would fit into that screen you are using, maybe a new page?
[14:56] <agateau> seele: can do
[14:56] <agateau> seele: adding a preview is a great idea I think
[14:57] <agateau> seele: did you try the .so?
[14:57] <seele> agateau: i'm not running karmic at the moment
[14:58] <agateau> oh ok
[14:58] <agateau> seele: it may work anyway, the worst which could happen is Plasma not being able to load it
[14:59]  * agateau tries the .so on his Jaunty box
[15:01] <agateau> seele: doesn't work :/
[15:03] <ScottK> agateau: I think you ought to call them "Ayatana" notifications and start to build a brand for users around the idea of trying something new and different.  I expect your efforts won't end with notifications.
[15:03] <agateau> ScottK: makes sense
[15:10] <ScottK> Riddell: I hacked qca2 into building last night by dropping the debug package.  It seems likely a bug in our debhelper or the pkgbinarymangler was the source of the problem and Ididn't have time to really figure it out.
[15:11] <Riddell> whatever works :)
[15:12] <ryanakca> Riddell: People searching to advertise on kubuntu.org, is it safe for me to send a "Sorry, we're not interested" email?
[15:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: yep
[15:13] <Riddell> assuming it's not just spam
[15:13] <Riddell> i.e. something sent out to lots of websites
[15:13] <Riddell> in which case ignore
[15:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: Well, it may be sent out to a pile of sites with a script, but I'm in the only one in the "To:" field... Eh, I'll ignore it.
[16:43] <flacoste> Riddell: the new plasma-widget-networkmanagement hit the archive, but it's uninstallable because it requires network-manager >= 0.8
[16:43] <Riddell> arg
[16:43] <Riddell> but but I removed that
[16:44] <flacoste> plasma-widget-network-manager with the same version number is installable though
[16:44] <Riddell> that's a dummy
[16:44] <flacoste> ah, ok
[16:45] <Riddell> flacoste: fix uploaded, sorry for the hassle
[16:45] <flacoste> no problem :-)
[16:45] <flacoste> i reverted to old wired ethernet managed through /etc/network/Interfaces in the mean time
[16:46] <flacoste> that feels so 2000 :-)
[17:17] <Riddell> ooh http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/plasma/applets/message-indicator/
[17:24] <ghostcube> whats a non distracing way Riddell
[17:24] <ghostcube> *t
[17:24] <ghostcube> :)
[17:25] <Riddell> not bloody notification popups every time someone says something to you
[17:25] <ghostcube> oh ok sounds good
[17:25] <ghostcube> :)
[17:32]  * yuriy wonders how he can get his real name to display when posting comments with wordpress's openid
[17:37] <Riddell> yuriy: type it at the bottom :)
[18:01] <a|wen> Riddell: amarok 2:2.1.80-0ubuntu2~ppa1 is ~50M whereas 2:2.1.1orig-0ubuntu5 is ~6M ... sounds like a bit to much increase in size to me
[18:11] <a|wen> it played first song successfully ... and when switching to the next song on the playlist automatically it crashed horribly
[18:26] <a|wen> at least it is not reproducable
[18:32] <Monika|K> Riddell what an ungeeky solution ;)
[18:39] <nixternal> a|wen: it didn't crash on me, but after playing the first song, sometimes it wouldn't play the 2nd..or it would play a couple of songs and then stop playing
[18:40] <a|wen> nixternal: okay; couldn't reproduce the crash here either; so i'll let it go for now and see if it re-appears
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> I crashed it trying to go to the last.fm tab
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> funny thing is that there was another lastfm button near the bottom of the list
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> second time everything's ok. stupid apport never came up, so that one's lost forever
[18:46] <a|wen> looks like there is a reason it is called beta
[18:47]  * a|wen is back in a minute ... needs to test if I can finally stop using XAA
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> last.fm is complaining about some subscriber crap... although it worked fine yesterday with 2.1.1
[18:59] <rgreening> Amarok worked fine here with 2:2.1.80-0ubuntu2~ppa1 including last fwm and no crashing. Im on 64 bit arch
[19:00] <a|wen> 32 bit here ... my biggest concern though is the huge size
[19:00] <neversfelde> all my covers are gone, but it works
[19:04] <a|wen> still a few strange artifacts with EXA :( ... looks like i'll have to stick with XAA some more
[19:26] <spstarr> hmm
[19:31] <javi> does qt creator support syntax highlight for python?
[20:13] <neversfelde> ScottK, nhandler: If you have some time, would you have a look at bug 424516
[20:14] <ScottK> neversfelde: +1
[20:14] <neversfelde> ScottK: thank you
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> btw, looks like userconfig is on its way to main fairly soon
[20:28] <Sime_> JontheEchidna: where to you live in the world?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> Sime_: Northeast US, up in New Hampshire
[20:29] <Sime_> JontheEchidna: because if we ever meet up, I've got a big beer and possibly a pizza for you because you've pushed userconfig so far. ;-)
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> Sime_: certainly yuriy did most of the work
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> can't forget txwikinger either  :)
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> it was very much a team effort
[20:30] <yuriy> i'm in the NE US too. come to Boston Sime_! :)
[20:30] <Sime_> ok, I've a 1/3 of a pizza for you.
[20:33] <spstarr> mmm pizza
[20:33] <spstarr> maybe this should be for dinner tonight
[20:34]  * JontheEchidna thinks kppp could use some KAuth loving. ...or just loving in general
[20:34]  * Sime_ consults a map...
[20:34] <spstarr> I think Kubuntu should add some krunners to generate revenue :) you type in pizza and out pops up some banners (with e-Coupons) for pizzas in your area (geolocated)
[20:34] <spstarr> :D
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> a tasty proposition
[20:34] <spstarr> Kubuntu can make some $ from the proceeds
[20:34] <spstarr> split it with KDE e.V too
[20:34] <spstarr> :)
[20:35] <spstarr> a win win :P
[20:35] <pedahzur> Hello!  There are some interesting bugs in Qt 4.5.0 (in particular, one that makes Psi hang upon exit).  Any chance of gettig Qt 4.5.2 back ported to Jaunty?
[20:37] <Sime_> yuriy: actually Boston and New York aren't that far away in fact.
[20:45]  * spstarr logs a bug for PA finally being able to capture the crack
[20:46] <neversfelde> bug 424537 needs a sponsor
[20:46] <neversfelde> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bilbo/+bug/424537
[20:53] <a|wen> neversfelde: any reason for the inline change of bilbo.desktop ?
[20:54] <neversfelde> a|wen: inline change?
[20:55] <a|wen> neversfelde: http://pastebin.ca/1554192
[20:57] <a|wen> hmm, it's the same in the initial packaging ... so i'm going to buy it as long as you have a good explanation :)
[20:58] <neversfelde> a|wen: I did not change anything there and here there is no difference between the bilbo.desktop in the beta package and the one in the stable package
[20:59] <a|wen> yeah, just noticed it's the same in both packages ... just wondered why it was there at all
[21:01] <neversfelde> I do not know why I can't find any difference here, probably I uploaded something wrong, but should be ok
[21:01] <neversfelde> http://pastebin.ca/1554200
[21:02] <neversfelde> er, that paste makes no sense
[21:04] <yuriy> Sime_: about a 4 hour drive. why, coming to NYC?
[21:04] <a|wen> ahh, it's done as part of the clean
[21:06] <skreech> Is the Amarok beta available for general consumption>?
[21:07] <neversfelde> skreech: it  is in the experimental ppa
[21:07]  * a|wen testbuilds
[21:15] <pedahzur> Hello!  There are some interesting bugs in Qt 4.5.0 (in particular, one that makes Psi hang upon exit).  If I opened a backport bug, is there any chance of gettig Qt 4.5.2 back ported to Jaunty?
[21:16] <ScottK> pedahzur: No.  Too many things depend on Qt for a backport of it to be appropriate.  We might fix 12 things, but break 5.
[21:17] <skreech> neversfelde: Is that where it will stay?
[21:17] <skreech> I'm just checking if the kubuntu.org page should be updated
[21:17] <pedahzur> ScottK: Wow, even for a "minor" upgrade from 4.5.0 to 4.5.2?  Bummer, OK, thanks for letting me know!
[21:18] <neversfelde> skreech: I guess not, but I do not knwo any details
[21:18] <ScottK> pedahzur: In theory it should be OK, but no one has signed up to do enough testing to really convince us of that.
[21:20] <pedahzur> ScottK: Are there any automated build tests? Or would I need to do a lot of point-and-click to verify things aren't broken?
[21:20] <skreech> ok if it's there for testing perhaps add it to the topic
[21:23] <ScottK> pedahzur: That's part of the problem.  The problems tend to be subtle and only come up through actual application use.  We promise users that a stable release will be stable, so we should have a pretty high confidence it's all positive before updating.
[21:23] <a|wen> neversfelde: bilbo uploaded! thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu
[21:23] <neversfelde> a|wen: thank you for reviewing
[21:23] <neversfelde> wow that was fast only 2,5 hours from ffe to upload :)
[21:24] <a|wen> pedahzur: qt4.5.2 is available in the backports ppa for your personal use
[21:24] <pedahzur> ScottK: totally understand.  It's a pity that Qt doesn't have some kind of automated test framework that guarantees no breakages between minor releases.
[21:25] <pedahzur> a|wen: Oooo! Thanks!
[21:25] <ScottK> Would someone please highlight me (again)?
[21:25] <a|wen> pedahzur: it has been there for more than a month now actually
[21:25] <a|wen> ScottK: hi!
[21:25] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks.
[21:26] <pedahzur> a|wen: I've used PPAs some, but still have trouble finding them some time. When somone says something is in such and such PPA, where is the starting place to find that?
[21:26] <ScottK> Just trying to make sure agateau's MI patch didn't break Quasell notifications.
[21:26] <ScottK> Would someone please ping me again?
[21:27] <a|wen> ScottK: again
[21:27] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks again.
[21:27] <ScottK> It all seems to work.
[21:27] <a|wen> pedahzur: in kubuntu we have a number of semi-official (but still in any case unsupported) PPAs https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/
[21:28] <pedahzur> Great, thanks!
[21:28] <pedahzur> Hmm...there are so many great packages in the PPA system (just pulled phusion passenger from there the other day). Is there a "unified search" across all PPAs so that you can look for a package that way?
[21:30] <ScottK> pedahzur: Just remember that ANYONE can upload stuff to a PPA and call it whatever they want.  They aren't generally policed at all for bad/evil code.
[21:30] <pedahzur> This is true.
[21:31] <Sime_> yuriy: I meant flying from .nl.
[21:31] <a|wen> pedahzur: so general advice is to stick to PPAs from teams / people you trust ... but in any case https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[21:32] <pedahzur> ScottK, a|wen: you've been great helps! Thanks!
[21:37] <a|wen> pedahzur: you're welcome
[21:54]  * ScottK didn't know we had someone trying to package pyside on Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~pyside
[21:56] <spstarr> heh
[21:57] <spstarr> it was inevitable ;)
[21:57] <pedahzur> Hey!  Really quickly: does someone have a minute to look at a web page for me?  I have some JPEGs that are not displaying correctly under KDE 3.5.10 (gwenview, konqueror, etc) but display fine under Firefox and GQView, so apparently it's an image library thing.  I can PM you the URL.
[21:58] <pedahzur> I want to see if the bug is still in KDE4
[23:17] <spstarr> you know, having to mv /usr/bin/puseaudio to .off is really telling when PA sucks so much
[23:18] <spstarr> augh, its so busted, if it gets fixed i'll use it
[23:59] <shtylman> Riddell: arora no longer with us?