[00:44] <dashua> mac_v, ping
[02:50] <mac_v> dashua: pong :)
[02:51] <dashua> PM?
[02:53] <mac_v> sure :)
[17:40] <mac_v> dashua: ping ;)
[18:03] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[18:07] <mac_v> dashua: if i'm offline , i'm testing a few things in my system from Windows  , ;p
[19:51] <dashua> mac_v, pong
[19:52] <mac_v> dashua: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/hanso.tar
[19:52] <dashua> Oh, you are the man :)
[19:52] <mac_v> just a couple of *rough* ideas.
[19:52] <dashua> Awesome thanks
[19:53] <mac_v> will work on them over the weekend more , just have a weird webcam kernel issue i need to debug!
[19:53] <dashua> Wow.  They look great.  Love the color too.
[19:53] <mac_v> dashua: the labels are not correct
[19:53] <dashua> Yeah, np.  I'll get them implemented for testing.
[19:54] <dashua> Thx again :)
[19:54] <mac_v> np :)
[20:22] <dashua> mac_v, http://www.speedyshare.com/716876541.html
[20:22] <dashua> Looking good mate.  Just need to work on the menu icons.
[20:22] <mac_v> dashua: will test it in a bit
[20:24] <dashua> Np :)
[21:14] <mac_v> dashua: the menu icons , hmm.. the down arrow? doesnt that work?
[21:15] <dashua> Hrm, I just saw the one.
[21:15] <dashua> I'll have to add it.  I need a pressed, focused, and unfocused.
[21:15] <mac_v> the lines ? i too dont think they are good...
[21:16] <dashua> Yeah, I like the arrow better
[21:16] <mac_v> also, i think the maximize can be the same , for both the maximized and the normal , just the box becoming reversed is better than using the arrows?
[21:17] <dashua> I really like the restore effect on a maximized window
[21:17] <dashua> Those two arrows inside on another
[21:17] <dashua> one*
[21:17] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[21:17] <dashua> Did you check it out?
[21:17] <dashua> Pull from trunk if you can.
[21:18] <mac_v> i'm using the test you sent
[21:18] <dashua> I added a place holder for the menu icons.
[21:18] <dashua> Ah ok
[21:18] <dashua> I pushed your icons in. They look really nice.
[21:18] <dashua> Match the theme perfectly
[21:18] <mac_v> :)
[21:18] <dashua> Text and all :)
[21:20] <mac_v> dashua: the move_over is not needed in the theme
[21:20] <mac_v> since its not used
[21:20] <dashua> Icon?
[21:20] <mac_v> yeah
[21:21] <mac_v> oh , you use the move_over...
[21:21] <mac_v> *menu_over
[21:21] <dashua> Yeah
[21:21] <mac_v> then the menu is not needed
[21:22] <dashua> I deleted the old ones from trunk
[21:22] <mac_v> dashua: i couldnt think of any thing else for the menu other than the down arrow , if you have any ides let me know :)
[21:23] <dashua> Ok cool.  I threw some dots in on trunk
[21:23] <mac_v>  <dashua> I'll have to add it.  I need a pressed, focused, and unfocused. ? i didnt understand?
[21:23] <mac_v> unfocussed?
[21:24] <dashua> If you pull from trunk you'll see three icons for menu, menu-focused, menu-pressed, and menu-unfocused
[21:24] <mac_v> hm...
[21:24] <dashua> I fixed the metacity .xml now they all work correctly
[21:25] <dashua> Just need better icons :)
[21:27] <dashua> Maybe three shades of the icons you made.
[21:27] <dashua> icon*
[21:30] <mac_v> dashua: which? i'm confused
[21:31] <dashua> The down menu icon arrow
[21:31] <mac_v> dashua: ah , you dont like the dots?
[21:32] <dashua> I don't know yet
[21:32] <dashua> What do you think?
[21:32] <dashua> I haven't tried the reverse carat yet.
[21:33] <mac_v> dashua: the problem is , if you use the app icon the arrow makes sense... but now you have changed the icon to constant dot , which would be better
[21:33]  * mac_v likes the app icons ;p
[21:33] <dashua> Yeah, I think that is why I changed it back before.
[21:34] <mac_v> dashua: if you dont want the app icons , the dots are definitely the way to do it
[21:34] <dashua> That a big usability issue, I guess.
[21:34] <dashua> I don't really look at app icons much, but that's just me.
[21:34] <mac_v> no app icons , yes
[21:34] <mac_v> dashua: if you dont like it , dont change :)
[21:35] <dashua> Well, it's an easy fix.  I think the dots look better, so it's a toss.
[21:35] <dashua> Usability vs. appearance
[21:36] <dashua> Ok thx.  I'll put it out and if many dislike I will revert to app icons.  I'm not really set on anything.
[21:36] <dashua> Have you heard any feedback from the Human theme in the papercutters group.
[21:36] <dashua> I think that was pushed through.
[21:37] <mac_v> dashua: in #ubuntu+1 , there was a lot noise , so i helped those who didnt want the icon , so i helped them revert
[21:38] <dashua> Ah alright
[21:38] <mac_v> dashua: Bug #405426
[21:38] <mac_v> dashua: see the last few comments! they even changed the title ;p
[21:38] <dashua> Reading it now.
[21:40] <dashua> Thx mac_v.  Bbl. :)
[21:41] <mac_v> +*
[21:41] <mac_v> s/+*/:)
[21:44]  * SiDi hates the idea of not being able to know to which app a window belongs by looking at the easiest thing to identify : its icon !
[21:46]  * mac_v agrees
[21:47] <SiDi> Which is why i run one window per workspace
[21:47] <SiDi> :D
[21:47]  * mac_v but knows how to revert it , so \o/
[21:47] <SiDi> but i perfectly understand that people want to keep an easy way to identify icons
[21:47] <SiDi> even if metacity themes are often ugly with app icons :P
[21:48] <mac_v> i dont think they are ugly :/