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rickspencer3robert_ancell, ping00:32
rickspencer3g'night robert_ancell and TheMuso01:20
rickspencer3have a good weekend01:20
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robert_ancellnight01:21
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didrocksgood morning06:56
hyperairhmm gcalctool's broken07:04
mac_vhyperair: gcalctool WFM ;p07:16
hyperairmac_v: try using the financial calculator mode07:16
hyperairmac_v: click on some buttons07:16
mac_voh , just a sec07:16
mac_vhyperair: oh , the top row buttons , yeah07:18
hyperairyep07:18
pittiGood morning08:18
mac_vrobert_ancell: hi... seems you have assigned > Bug #82654 to yourself, it has a papercut task too , is it a papercut? i.e simple fix ?08:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 82654 in compiz "Windows can be positioned with title bar below gnome-panel" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8265408:20
robert_ancellmac_v, I wouldn't say it's trivial.  It requires making the window moving and resizing code clip on the panel edges08:22
seb128hey robert_ancell08:22
* pitti hugs robert_ancell and seb12808:22
seb128hey pitti08:22
* seb128 hugs pitti08:22
robert_ancellhey seb12808:23
didrockshey seb12808:23
didrockshi pitti08:23
didrocksmorning robert_ancell08:23
seb128lut didrocks08:24
mac_vrobert_ancell: hmm, if its too big a work,or would take more than a day to fix, could you invalidate the papercut with a short reason pls :)08:24
seb128didrocks, wrong timezone08:24
robert_ancellmac_v, ok08:24
didrocksseb128: yes :) "good evening robert_ancell" is better08:24
robert_ancelldidrocks, good friday evening even :)  Off to the pub soon08:24
didrocksrobert_ancell: hehe, ready to enjoy your week-end? :)08:25
robert_ancelldidrocks, absolutely :)08:25
robert_ancelldidrocks, how is quickly going?  You seem to be making good progress.  I read an arstechnica article about it today08:26
didrockspitti: when you have some time: I added a python-distutils-extra task and additional info to bug #421689. I guess you only take the first found file to search for a package in the egg file. If you can take a look at it, it would be great as new package created with Quickly can't be runned without crashing08:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 421689 in quickly "a ubuntu-project should depend on python-desktopcouch-records" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42168908:27
didrocksrobert_ancell: yes, we will release 0.2.1 this week-end and the Core has been rewritten for 0.2. I'll post a blog post suit next week describing features, how to create Quickly templates, etc. :)08:28
seb128robert_ancell, you know about bug #400863 ?08:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 400863 in gdm "ck-history can take a *long* time to run, during which gdm is unusable" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40086308:28
seb128robert_ancell, your new bug seems a duplicate08:29
robert_ancellseb128, ah, thanks08:30
robert_ancellseb128, can you look at the xscreensaver bzr and see if the conflict changes I made make sense?08:36
seb128robert_ancell, looking08:40
robert_ancellseb128, actually they should be (!= ${binary:Version})08:41
seb128robert_ancell, I would use a Replaces too08:42
robert_ancellseb128, why do they need a replaces?08:43
seb128mvo, ^08:43
seb128because technically they replace files from other binaries08:43
seb128conflicts means 'can't be install together with that'08:43
mvoseb128++08:44
seb128replaces means 'is going to overwrite files from that'08:44
seb128mvo, bzr get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/xscreensaver/ubuntu08:44
seb128mvo, rev808:44
seb128if you want to have a look08:44
robert_ancellso I need to mark them as replacing any older versions of the other packages08:44
seb128usually not any version08:44
seb128we just bump versions when we move things around08:45
* mvo looks08:45
mvoyeah, if its just files moving around, a relaces if sufficient. makes the work of apt/dpkg simpler too08:46
robert_ancellmvo, so the conflicts is not required?08:46
mvoif its just about moving files around, then no08:47
mvoif there is another reason (e.g. two binaries that fight for the same resource or something) then it is required08:47
robert_ancellseb128, mvo, thanks branch is updated and ready for sponsorship if looks good08:51
seb128ok, will do sponsoring after getting coffee08:52
chrisccoulsonmmmmmm, coffee :)08:52
chrisccoulsongood morning btw08:53
robert_ancellmvo, do you think we need to add anything more to the compiz 0.8.3 bug (bug 422384) before putting into the sponsorship queue?08:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422384 in compiz "Update to 0.8.3" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42238408:54
mvorobert_ancell: we should do another update, more bugfixes went into git recently08:54
mvorobert_ancell: and we need a word from the release team that its ok to upload .)08:55
mvorobert_ancell: I will prepare the updates, should be a trivial thing08:55
mvo(updating to latest git)08:55
huatsmorning everyone09:03
seb128lut huats09:03
huatshello seb12809:11
robert_ancellhuats has arrived, i'm off ;)09:11
huatslol09:12
huatsgood night robert_ancell :)09:12
robert_ancellhuats, :) see you later09:12
huatsI'll take care of the day :)09:12
* robert_ancell tags in huats. And assigns him all his work :)09:12
seb128pitti, do you plan to review the gnome-games sponsoring request again?09:20
pittiseb128: not right now, but can do later09:24
seb128pitti, would be nice, thank you09:24
seb128huats, pessulus needs fixing btw09:37
huatsseb128: I have seen09:40
huatsit is on my daily todo list09:40
huatsthanks09:40
huats(and btw I don't think the upstream configure.ac reflect thats :)09:40
seb128huats, it's python ...09:41
seb128ie they don't depends on lib at build time09:41
seb128there is no compilation to do09:41
huats:)09:41
* huats was just trying to blame vuntz for not mentioning it:)09:42
huats(in the archive)09:42
seb128pitti, I'm sponsoring dx*09:43
seb128(xsplash, libdbusmenu, indicator)09:43
seb128just fyi09:43
pittiseb128: merci09:44
seb128pitti, do you remember what you did for the previous libdbusmenu upload?10:02
seb128pitti, the bzr changelog doesn't match the current karmic one, your changes to bzr-builddeb options are not in bzr10:03
pittioops10:03
pittiseb128: sorry, push failed; merging my changes10:03
seb128pitti, what bzr did you use btw?10:04
seb128thanks10:04
seb128kenvandine used lp:~ubuntu-desktop/dbusmenu/ubuntu10:04
seb128but that's not the one in the control10:04
pittiright, that's the correct branch; I fixed that back then in debian/control10:05
seb128ok good10:05
pittiseb128: pushed10:08
seb128pitti, danke10:08
pittisorry for the hassle10:08
seb128no problem I was just getting confused10:09
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seb128mvo, hey, want to have a look to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/xscreensaver/ubuntu and sponsor if it's good to be uploaded?10:29
seb128mvo, it's things moving around packages should not be too hard to review, I'm busy with dxteam updates right now and I would welcome a double check from you for the replaces, etc on this one10:29
mvoseb128: maybe after lunch, I'm currently merging some synaptic fixes, not sure how long that is going to take10:36
seb128mvo, ok thanks, no hurry in any case that was in case you wanted to do some sponsoring ;-)10:37
Riddellhmm, I always get scared when xscreensaver moves things about, means I have to move things about in kde screensaver10:38
seb128Riddell, want to have a look to the sponsoring request maybe then so you can check that too?10:38
* seb128 uploads new libdbus-menu and xplash10:38
seb128indicator-session next10:39
seb128vuntz, hey, do you also have rows and columns=0 in the wnck-applet?10:42
seb128Amaranth, hi10:51
seb128Amaranth, shouldn't you include Xlib.h for your g-c-c changes ans add some xlib pkg-config check too?10:51
didrocksseb128: btw, how was your udw session?10:52
seb128didrocks, I didn't have one?10:52
seb128didrocks, the hundredpapercut one from djsiegel you mean?10:52
didrocksseb128: yes, that's what is written :)10:53
seb128didrocks, went well, david did it, I just replied to one question10:53
didrocksseb128: ok :)10:53
seb128didrocks, btw do you still plan to work on the gnome-shell stack updates?10:55
didrocksseb128: mutter is last remaining thing on my side, right? (I can work on clutter too, be you will have to sponsor it :))10:56
seb128didrocks, right10:56
seb128I'm fine doing sponsoring if you update clutter too10:56
seb128GNOME updated the requirement to current 1.0 version I think10:57
didrocksseb128: I'll do it this evening (I worked a lot for UDW + quickly this week). Is it ok for you?10:57
seb128so it would be nice to get it in karmic10:57
seb128no hurry, I will not sponsor that before monday anyway10:57
didrocksyes, but as I will be in the "braderie de lille" for ubuntu-fr this week-end, I have to do it tonight :)10:57
didrocks(and next week will be for "fĂȘte de l'humanitĂ©", on the ubuntu-fr booth too, then meeting for next ubuntu-party and OWF...). Busy september, as usual :)10:58
seb128didrocks, if you are busy just tell me no that's fine11:00
seb128do the universe one and I will do clutter11:00
didrocksseb128: no, that's ok. Clutter is usually easy to update (I've already built it in my laptop from a recent git snapshot, last week-end)11:01
seb128ok good11:01
seb128if you don't feel like working on that feel free to skip11:01
seb128there is no hurry there, just a nice to have11:01
didrocksseb128: yes, but the sooner is the better :)11:01
pittiseb128: (preparing release status) is bug 402175 just a matter of time, or are there blockers (bad patch, etc.)?11:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 402175 in gnumeric "gtk_tree_view_column_get_cell_renderers implicitly converted to pointer" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40217511:10
pittisame question for bug 40354911:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 403549 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV immediately after start up" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40354911:11
seb128pitti, the nautilus one, new tarballs are due on monday, it missed alpha but I don't think it requires an upload today11:16
seb128ie no point to backport to undo next work day11:16
pittiseb128: right, I just wanted to know whether there are unresolved blockers; that's fine11:16
seb128pitti, I forgot about the first one, I though that was universe ...11:16
seb128will look at it after lunch11:16
pittiseb128: no hurry11:17
pittiI'm just running through the bits in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus to see where we are blocked11:17
pittimvo: could you please give me a quick status for bug 391555? is it just a matter of finding some time to fix it, or is it a hard problem which isn't fully understood yet?11:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 391555 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install crashed with AttributeError in itemIsInstalled()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39155511:18
pittiseb128: for bug 412927, I currently have that blocking on a sid upload; could we in principle cherrypick the fix and sync later?11:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 412927 in gst-plugins-base0.10 "Easy codec installation is not working" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41292711:20
seb128pitti, I would prefer to wait, slomo commented on the upstream bug saying the change breaks things yesterday11:21
pittiah, ok11:21
seb128pitti, he's still working on the right fix for that11:21
* pitti updates bug status for that, thanks11:21
seb128it's going to be fixed before beta no worry but not this week11:21
seb128pitti, should empathy recommends telepathy-idle and telepathy-butterfly?11:23
pittiseb128: we seed -idle now, so if recommending it helps to lower the delta, that's fine11:24
pittiseb128: butterfly> still waiting for a definitive answer in bug 388898 for that11:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 388898 in papyon "[MIR] empathy dependencies" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38889811:24
seb128pitti, I would vote for using butterfly11:28
pittiseb128: could you comment to the bug with some justification? would be nice to have some comparison; do you use it?11:29
seb128I've been playing with it yes11:29
seb128justification: msn account import work with it, new version has video chat11:29
seb128I can do some extra testing, will add a comment to the bug11:30
pittigreat11:30
pittisounds convincing11:30
pittiRiddell: do you have a minute to update the Kubuntu status on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ?11:34
loolpitti: I unsub-ed ubuntu-mir from the giant Empathy MIR bug BTW11:37
loolAs there was a stupid GStreamer task cluttering the list11:37
pittilool: right, I saw; thanks11:38
davmor2seb128, pitti: I've been testing it from the daily empathy ppa for stability issues and it hasn't died on me so far (butterfly)11:43
loolGrah11:46
loolpitti: Got my last lines?11:46
lool12:43 < lool> pitti: On workitems, would it make sense to normalize them?11:46
loolpitti: I wonder whether we should reset tracking for mobile team to get a readable chart or normalize the bars to 10011:46
pittilool: no, these got lost11:47
pittilool: we can change the initial number of items, i. e. where the trend line starts11:47
loolI mean the graph part is quite borken for mobile because we added/changed so many workitems so late11:48
loolpitti: Ok that's a good start11:48
loolpitti: 150 might be better11:48
pittilool: and/or drop the data from the first couple of days11:48
mvopitti: just needs some attention/love I tihnk , I will work on it now11:48
mvopitti: (bug #391555)11:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 391555 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install crashed with AttributeError in itemIsInstalled()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39155511:48
loolpitti: Keeping >= august seems better11:49
pittimvo: don't misunderstand me, I don't want to urge you to work on it now, just understand on which bugs we have blockers which need to be resolved11:49
loolpitti: Would you mind changing these?11:49
pittilool: sure11:49
loolI cant really send you a patch but I could write you the commands if you like11:49
loolpitti: thanks a lot11:49
* pitti invokes the firefox sqlite editor11:49
loolNo kidding?11:50
loolDidnt know we had that11:50
loolIs it over webdav?  or you have some server side stuff too?11:50
mvopitti: sure, its fine, I have it on my todo list for today anyway :)11:51
pittilool: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/581711:53
pittilool: no, download .db, edit locally, scp back11:53
pittibut that extension is just terrific11:53
pittilool: how's that now? http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html11:55
pittilool: also, this currently ends at 2009-10-01; it's a good end date for our team, it's the day until when we can do non-OMG changes to karmic still11:56
pittidepending on your release planning this might differ for your team11:56
loolOk11:57
loolpitti: Well some work items are "Test LSB compliance of RC release" or "of beta release"11:57
loolSo we have some work items until the end, but that's ok11:57
loolpitti: that looks good now thanks!11:57
pittilool: fixed y position of title now, too11:58
loolI'm sure it will be even better when I mark work items as POSTPONED in deferred specs11:58
loolThe sqlite extension is cool thanks11:58
pittilool: for desktop team I just un-targetted them for karmic; then they automatically fall out of scope11:58
loolAck12:02
hyperairhmm for some reason, alt+f2 is no longer working.12:57
hyperairhow strange.12:57
seb128do you have a transparent background?12:58
hyperairno i don't12:58
hyperairit's a solid colour12:58
hyperairbut i used compiz to reduce the opacity of the entire panel slightly12:58
seb128on all the bars configured?12:58
hyperaironly one bar12:58
seb128dunno then12:58
seb128there is a bug open about that being broken when the panel is not solid12:59
hyperairit just doesn't respond to alt+f2 any more for some reason12:59
seb128but seems it's not your case so ...12:59
seb128well as said it happens when you set transparency12:59
seb128didn't read a bug about it happening when no transparency is used yet12:59
hyperairhmm12:59
hyperairi see12:59
seb128try undoing you compiz change13:00
hyperairjust did. still doesn't work13:00
seb128did you restart gnome-panel after the change?13:01
hyperairnope13:01
seb128try that too13:02
hyperairhmm i just restarted the panel and it works again13:02
hyperairoh well13:02
hyperairi wonder what happened earlier..13:02
seb128what do you mean?13:03
seb128seems the same bug, transparency breaks things13:03
hyperairkillall gnome-panel13:03
hyperairalt+f2 works again.13:03
hyperairtransparency still there13:03
seb128hum ok, dunno then13:03
seb128did you play with the transparency setting?13:03
seb128ie setting it and unsetting it let the shortcut broken13:03
hyperairwait. i think i did13:04
seb128there you go13:04
hyperairi was messing around with the panel background earlier13:04
mac_vpitti: any ideas/suggestions about this bug> Bug #417824 , seems like a devkit bug , does any more info need to be provided... its messing up other components which try to invoke the power state :(13:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 417824 in gnome-panel "Gnome-panel loads very late after session start" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41782413:13
mac_vor maybe a gnome-power-manager issue as seb128 suggests13:13
mac_voh , and i use a semi-transparent pixmap for the gnome panel13:16
seb128so alt-f2 doesn't work for you?13:17
seb128but the slowness is probably not due to that13:17
seb128the bug shows it's timeouting on some dbus call13:17
mac_vnope alt+F2 doesnt work :(, hasnt been working for a long time13:17
pittimac_v: replied to the bug with a test command13:22
* mac_v checks13:23
mac_vpitti: no :( , none of them time out , do you want me to paste the output  in the bug?13:28
pittimac_v: no, no need to13:28
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mac_vi'm having a bunch of gpm bugs because of that :(13:30
pittimac_v: you can consistently reproduce this timeout by killing and restarting g-p-m?13:31
pittithat woudl give us a handle at least13:31
pittimac_v: could you run dbus-monitor --system while you do that?13:31
mac_vpitti: if i kill gpm and restart it , it is always consistently starts late , Bug #409838 , also the prefs dont open immediately even after the icon is present13:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 409838 in gnome-power-manager "GPM notification icon doesnt immediately display on start-up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40983813:35
mac_vpitti: you want me to first run the dbus-monitor? and then the gpm restart?13:35
pittimac_v: yes; this will record all the d-bus calls it makes13:35
mac_vok13:35
mac_vpitti: also , another unrelated problem , i'm trying to upload an log viewer crash ,but how many ever times i try , i get this apport error >Could not upload report data to crash database: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error < but i can upload the reduced report... , would the reduced report be enough? if not , how do i upload the complete report?13:38
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chrisccoulsongood afternoon everyone!13:55
pittikenvandine: hey13:58
pittihey chrisccoulson13:58
chrisccoulsonhey pitti! how are you?13:59
pittigood, thanks! you, too?13:59
kenvandinehey pitti13:59
chrisccoulsoni'm good too - just finished work for the week:)13:59
pittikenvandine: would you mind updating the dx integration status on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ?13:59
kenvandinepitti, sure14:01
mac_vpitti: thanks for the help , i'v attached the dbus-monitor --system  output to the bug :)14:02
mac_vseems like its in some kind of a loop14:02
mac_vpitti: ah ...!  i think it is due to > acer usb camera14:04
mac_vs/usb/built-in14:04
pittimac_v: meh, GetAll() doesn't occur in the log14:05
pittiugh, what would a camera have to do with it?14:05
seb128hey chrisccoulson14:10
chrisccoulsonhi seb128!14:10
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pittimac_v: replied14:12
mac_vah! , i cant find the acer hang bug! just a sec14:13
pittimac_v: just posted another debugging step14:15
seb128is anybody there wanting to write a libgdata mir, it's required by totem for youtube in karmic14:16
mac_vpitti: added the log , could Bug #271258 be causing this?14:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271258 in linux "gspca's module fails on 2.6.27-3-generic on Intrepid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27125814:32
pittimac_v: well, everything's possible, but it seems very unrelated14:41
mac_vhehe ;)14:41
mac_vpitti: any other debugging you need for the bug ? or shall i mark it incomplete->new?14:43
pittimac_v: hm; just looked at the dkp output, nothing interesting there14:43
pittimac_v: but at least we have a reproducer on your system now14:43
pittimac_v: any chance I could get ssh on your machine?14:43
mac_vpitti: havent ever tried that , till now , would need instructions14:44
mac_vto set it up14:45
* mac_v googles14:46
mac_vpitti: i'v installed ssh now14:51
pittimac_v: if you are behind a router, you need to enable port forwarding of port 22, so that it can be reached from the outside14:52
pittimac_v: and then you need to create a temporary user for me (call it "pitti" or so)14:52
mac_vpitti: port 22 is a tcp/udp ? or can be any?14:53
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baptistemmssh is tcp/2214:54
mac_vthanks baptistemm :)14:56
mac_vpitti: admin priv , right? could i PM ? regarding setup of account14:57
pittimac_v: I'd need admin, yes14:57
mvorodrigo_: hey! I just tested your tomboy fix for #41999214:57
pittimac_v: the third key on https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Epitti/+sshkeys14:57
rodrigo_mvo: and? it worked?14:58
pittimac_v: please copy that to ~pitti/.ssh/authorized_keys14:58
mvorodrigo_: its no longer crashing, but it says server not responding - is that ok?14:58
rodrigo_mvo: yeah, known problem, needs some fixes uin u1.com14:58
mvorodrigo_: its defnitely a improvement to before where it crashed immediately14:58
mvorodrigo_: ok, great. I upload now14:58
rodrigo_mvo: yeah, the fix is for accepting the server's certificates14:58
rodrigo_mvo: cool, thanks!14:58
mvomy pleasure14:58
rodrigo_mvo: the patch will be committed upstream this weekend, so I'll submit a new version next week with the patch removed14:59
mvorodrigo_: ok, just let me know when I'm around, I'm happy to sponsor that then too15:00
rodrigo_cool, I'll wait for the release to be done though :D15:00
pittiseb128: ok, seems the retracer is buggy and tries to mark a bug as a dupe of itself (see bug 423173)15:02
ubottuBug 423173 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/423173 is private15:02
pittiseb128: please don't restart it again for now, I need to investigate this more closely15:02
seb128pitti, ok15:02
mvowehh, noscript jumps on me when I try to add a computer15:02
seb128dpm, hi, could you reply on this gdm bug to see if you still have the issue?15:07
seb128dpm, the one about the language list not making different variants differents?15:07
seb128cassidy, hey15:08
seb128cassidy, about the default audiosink, current default seems to be autoaudiosink, not alsa, isn't that correct?15:09
dpmseb128: yes, I saw your reply yesterday and I was intending to respond. I've checked it on my netbook with Karmic UNR and it's not solved yet. I haven't had the chance to test it on my Ubuntu Karmic yet, but I'd expect the result to be the same. I'll try to do it by the end of today15:12
seb128dpm, ok thanks15:13
loolseb128: Remember my xterm issue at GUADEC?15:20
loolnext xterm in Debian wont have sgid bit anymore   \o/!15:20
pitti@all: would anyone be able to cover for me in the release team meeting in 35 minutes? I updated our report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus already, but we need someone to answer questions; I have a dev week talk overlapping with it15:24
seb128pitti, can do15:24
pittiI'll be in the channel, but might not be able to answer in time15:24
pittiseb128: my hero15:25
pittimerci15:25
* seb128 hugs pitti15:25
seb128de rien15:25
pittikenvandine: hm, current xsplash didn't really change anything, did it?15:51
kenvandinenope15:51
kenvandinecouple bug fixes and changes 10s to 15s15:52
kenvandinenew artwork is under negotiations :)15:52
pittiright, I meant the broken throbber15:52
pittiseb128: release team meeting starting now; I'll start, but would be nice to have you on standby16:00
seb128pitti, I'm there16:01
Amaranthseb128: the patch I was modifying was already making calls to Xlib so I guess not16:03
seb128Amaranth, ok16:03
rickspencer3seb128, would you know off hand if either pidgin or telepathy support multi-user audio conferencing?16:14
seb128rickspencer3, no idea but I guess not16:14
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seb128lool, oh, nice for you I guess, I use g-t so I don't have the issue ;-)16:59
loolseb128: Just wanted to share the end of the story with you -- really a bug and fixed now    :)16:59
seb128good ;-)17:00
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rugby471mvo, mac_v: hello17:38
* mac_v now is serious debugging mode ;p17:41
mac_vin*17:41
* mac_v waves rugby47117:41
rugby471mac_v: hehe17:42
pitti*phew* back from dev week talk; that went well18:03
seb128good ;-)18:05
rugby471mac_v: I just submitted an entry for the countdown banner, how is it? https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2009-September/000776.html18:14
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rugby471mac_v: I just submitted an entry for the countdown banner, how is it? https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2009-September/000776.html18:33
mac_vrugby471: hehe , you copied ;p18:34
rugby471mac_v: told you I don't have big ideas :-)18:34
\shhmmm..since this morning I have some problems with the gnome login... gdm fires up, select username, enter password, and then hourglass cursor and after 5 mins, I can see on the console some strange "memory" errors...gnome desktop never comes up...switching between console and X gives me then some graphics problems18:40
mac_vrugby471: atleast change the colors , its too similar to the gdm , might not be chosen18:40
rugby471mac_v: I chose to base it on that though, however if I get the same reaction from others then I probably will18:41
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mac_vah!  retracers are stuck again :( , someone pls restart them19:39
chrisccoulsonmac_v: (15:02:18) pitti: seb128: ok, seems the retracer is buggy and tries to mark a bug as a dupe of itself (see bug 423173)19:40
ubottuBug 423173 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/423173 is private19:40
chrisccoulson(15:02:31) pitti: seb128: please don't restart it again for now, I need to investigate this more closely19:40
chrisccoulsonthat's why ;)19:40
mac_vchrisccoulson: hehe ;) ok , but i had filed a crash 2 days ago19:40
mac_vchrisccoulson: did you get the mail about the dbus bug? the one we discussed the other day?19:42
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chrisccoulsonis that the issue you were having when logging in?19:42
mac_v> Bug #41782419:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 417824 in gnome-panel "Gnome-panel loads very late after session start (dup-of: 271258)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41782419:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271258 in linux "Acer Orbicam gspca's module fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27125819:42
chrisccoulsonmac_v - yeah, i saw the mails about that19:42
chrisccoulsonthat's a wierd one indeed ;)19:43
mac_vhehe , it turns out to be due to the stupid logitech drivers :/19:43
chrisccoulsoni have a logitech webcam here19:43
chrisccoulsonwould be interesting to see if i have the same issue!19:43
mac_vacer?19:43
chrisccoulsonno, i've just got a stand-along logitech webcam hooked up to my desktop19:44
chrisccoulsonbut it's never worked19:44
chrisccoulsons/stand-along/stand-alone19:44
mac_vlogitech didnt work from intrepid! and no one has tried to fix it :(19:44
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'd try and fix it if i knew how19:45
chrisccoulsonhardware support is still something i struggle with on my desktop19:45
mac_vi have a weird feeling , but i dont know how this is happening , ever since update to intrepid , the webcam doesnt work in windows too !19:45
mac_vhow is that possible?19:45
chrisccoulsonnot sure - that is a bit strange19:46
mac_vonce, i had installed win7  , the webcam worked in win 7 but after i reinstalled grub it doesnt work in win7 too!19:46
chrisccoulsonheh, i'm not sure how to explain that ;)19:47
mac_vyeah , really crazy... webcam is in use , it keeps saying try to stop the already running app... i have to try once again by re-installing mbr19:47
chrisccoulsoni can only get a single frame from my webcam, then it freezes and doesn't work until i reconnect it19:48
chrisccoulsonso, i can take still images with it!19:49
mac_vthat happened when i was using kernel -419:49
mac_vor -319:49
mac_vnot sure but it worked partly in alpha3 , which kernel was alpha 3 released with?19:49
chrisccoulsoni can't remember now - it's all a blur ;)19:50
chrisccoulsonand i've slept a couple of times since alpha3 too!:)19:50
mac_v ;p , so i'm just going to do install at random \o/19:50
chrisccoulsoni really need to update my desktop to karmic19:51
chrisccoulsonmy girlfriend won't like it though. she already moans at me when i break things and stuff she uses doesn't work properly19:51
chrisccoulsonrunning a VM is too slow19:52
mac_vdamn it /me will have to boot into win!19:59
chrisccoulsontedg - what checks is indicator-session doing to see if suspend/hibernate are supported?20:09
chrisccoulson(i've not actually had a look at the code yet)20:09
tedgchrisccoulson: I believe it asks HAL.20:09
chrisccoulsonbut both are listed in my menu, and suspend isn't supported20:10
chrisccoulsonah20:10
chrisccoulsonit shouldn't be using HAL ;)20:10
tedgchrisccoulson: No, I changed it to DKp...  it's asking there.20:10
chrisccoulsonoh, ok. i'll have to do some debugging here then and figure out why i see a suspend option in indicator-session but not in gnome-session dialog20:11
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chrisccoulsonbryce - thanks for uploading the xorg change:)21:10
brycechrisccoulson, sure!21:10
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MDC1icons - this has probably been discussed for ever and ever and i could understand the reason to remove icon from application menus and buttons BUT removing icons from the application menu? That is really stupid (sorry, i'm a bit upset about it). It makes the application menu look ugly and ugly and really really ugly and difficult to navigate (sorry, can't even argument, that upset i am)22:07
MDC1is *really* suppose to be like this?22:07
MDC1it makes the hole desktop look broken22:09
MDC1if this is the wrong place to discuss this - please throw me away to the correct place22:10
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