[00:32] robert_ancell, ping [01:20] g'night robert_ancell and TheMuso [01:20] have a good weekend === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [01:21] night === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [06:56] good morning [07:04] hmm gcalctool's broken [07:16] hyperair: gcalctool WFM ;p [07:16] mac_v: try using the financial calculator mode [07:16] mac_v: click on some buttons [07:16] oh , just a sec [07:18] hyperair: oh , the top row buttons , yeah [07:18] yep [08:18] Good morning [08:20] robert_ancell: hi... seems you have assigned > Bug #82654 to yourself, it has a papercut task too , is it a papercut? i.e simple fix ? [08:20] Launchpad bug 82654 in compiz "Windows can be positioned with title bar below gnome-panel" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82654 [08:22] mac_v, I wouldn't say it's trivial. It requires making the window moving and resizing code clip on the panel edges [08:22] hey robert_ancell [08:22] * pitti hugs robert_ancell and seb128 [08:22] hey pitti [08:22] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:23] hey seb128 [08:23] hey seb128 [08:23] hi pitti [08:23] morning robert_ancell [08:24] lut didrocks [08:24] robert_ancell: hmm, if its too big a work,or would take more than a day to fix, could you invalidate the papercut with a short reason pls :) [08:24] didrocks, wrong timezone [08:24] mac_v, ok [08:24] seb128: yes :) "good evening robert_ancell" is better [08:24] didrocks, good friday evening even :) Off to the pub soon [08:25] robert_ancell: hehe, ready to enjoy your week-end? :) [08:25] didrocks, absolutely :) [08:26] didrocks, how is quickly going? You seem to be making good progress. I read an arstechnica article about it today [08:27] pitti: when you have some time: I added a python-distutils-extra task and additional info to bug #421689. I guess you only take the first found file to search for a package in the egg file. If you can take a look at it, it would be great as new package created with Quickly can't be runned without crashing [08:27] Launchpad bug 421689 in quickly "a ubuntu-project should depend on python-desktopcouch-records" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421689 [08:28] robert_ancell: yes, we will release 0.2.1 this week-end and the Core has been rewritten for 0.2. I'll post a blog post suit next week describing features, how to create Quickly templates, etc. :) [08:28] robert_ancell, you know about bug #400863 ? [08:28] Launchpad bug 400863 in gdm "ck-history can take a *long* time to run, during which gdm is unusable" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400863 [08:29] robert_ancell, your new bug seems a duplicate [08:30] seb128, ah, thanks [08:36] seb128, can you look at the xscreensaver bzr and see if the conflict changes I made make sense? [08:40] robert_ancell, looking [08:41] seb128, actually they should be (!= ${binary:Version}) [08:42] robert_ancell, I would use a Replaces too [08:43] seb128, why do they need a replaces? [08:43] mvo, ^ [08:43] because technically they replace files from other binaries [08:43] conflicts means 'can't be install together with that' [08:44] seb128++ [08:44] replaces means 'is going to overwrite files from that' [08:44] mvo, bzr get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/xscreensaver/ubuntu [08:44] mvo, rev8 [08:44] if you want to have a look [08:44] so I need to mark them as replacing any older versions of the other packages [08:44] usually not any version [08:45] we just bump versions when we move things around [08:45] * mvo looks [08:46] yeah, if its just files moving around, a relaces if sufficient. makes the work of apt/dpkg simpler too [08:46] mvo, so the conflicts is not required? [08:47] if its just about moving files around, then no [08:47] if there is another reason (e.g. two binaries that fight for the same resource or something) then it is required [08:51] seb128, mvo, thanks branch is updated and ready for sponsorship if looks good [08:52] ok, will do sponsoring after getting coffee [08:52] mmmmmm, coffee :) [08:53] good morning btw [08:54] mvo, do you think we need to add anything more to the compiz 0.8.3 bug (bug 422384) before putting into the sponsorship queue? [08:54] Launchpad bug 422384 in compiz "Update to 0.8.3" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422384 [08:54] robert_ancell: we should do another update, more bugfixes went into git recently [08:55] robert_ancell: and we need a word from the release team that its ok to upload .) [08:55] robert_ancell: I will prepare the updates, should be a trivial thing [08:55] (updating to latest git) [09:03] morning everyone [09:03] lut huats [09:11] hello seb128 [09:11] huats has arrived, i'm off ;) [09:12] lol [09:12] good night robert_ancell :) [09:12] huats, :) see you later [09:12] I'll take care of the day :) [09:12] * robert_ancell tags in huats. And assigns him all his work :) [09:20] pitti, do you plan to review the gnome-games sponsoring request again? [09:24] seb128: not right now, but can do later [09:24] pitti, would be nice, thank you [09:37] huats, pessulus needs fixing btw [09:40] seb128: I have seen [09:40] it is on my daily todo list [09:40] thanks [09:40] (and btw I don't think the upstream configure.ac reflect thats :) [09:41] huats, it's python ... [09:41] ie they don't depends on lib at build time [09:41] there is no compilation to do [09:41] :) [09:42] * huats was just trying to blame vuntz for not mentioning it:) [09:42] (in the archive) [09:43] pitti, I'm sponsoring dx* [09:43] (xsplash, libdbusmenu, indicator) [09:43] just fyi [09:44] seb128: merci [10:02] pitti, do you remember what you did for the previous libdbusmenu upload? [10:03] pitti, the bzr changelog doesn't match the current karmic one, your changes to bzr-builddeb options are not in bzr [10:03] oops [10:03] seb128: sorry, push failed; merging my changes [10:04] pitti, what bzr did you use btw? [10:04] thanks [10:04] kenvandine used lp:~ubuntu-desktop/dbusmenu/ubuntu [10:04] but that's not the one in the control [10:05] right, that's the correct branch; I fixed that back then in debian/control [10:05] ok good [10:08] seb128: pushed [10:08] pitti, danke [10:08] sorry for the hassle [10:09] no problem I was just getting confused === Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch [10:29] mvo, hey, want to have a look to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/xscreensaver/ubuntu and sponsor if it's good to be uploaded? [10:29] mvo, it's things moving around packages should not be too hard to review, I'm busy with dxteam updates right now and I would welcome a double check from you for the replaces, etc on this one [10:36] seb128: maybe after lunch, I'm currently merging some synaptic fixes, not sure how long that is going to take [10:37] mvo, ok thanks, no hurry in any case that was in case you wanted to do some sponsoring ;-) [10:38] hmm, I always get scared when xscreensaver moves things about, means I have to move things about in kde screensaver [10:38] Riddell, want to have a look to the sponsoring request maybe then so you can check that too? [10:38] * seb128 uploads new libdbus-menu and xplash [10:39] indicator-session next [10:42] vuntz, hey, do you also have rows and columns=0 in the wnck-applet? [10:51] Amaranth, hi [10:51] Amaranth, shouldn't you include Xlib.h for your g-c-c changes ans add some xlib pkg-config check too? [10:52] seb128: btw, how was your udw session? [10:52] didrocks, I didn't have one? [10:52] didrocks, the hundredpapercut one from djsiegel you mean? [10:53] seb128: yes, that's what is written :) [10:53] didrocks, went well, david did it, I just replied to one question [10:53] seb128: ok :) [10:55] didrocks, btw do you still plan to work on the gnome-shell stack updates? [10:56] seb128: mutter is last remaining thing on my side, right? (I can work on clutter too, be you will have to sponsor it :)) [10:56] didrocks, right [10:56] I'm fine doing sponsoring if you update clutter too [10:57] GNOME updated the requirement to current 1.0 version I think [10:57] seb128: I'll do it this evening (I worked a lot for UDW + quickly this week). Is it ok for you? [10:57] so it would be nice to get it in karmic [10:57] no hurry, I will not sponsor that before monday anyway [10:57] yes, but as I will be in the "braderie de lille" for ubuntu-fr this week-end, I have to do it tonight :) [10:58] (and next week will be for "fête de l'humanité", on the ubuntu-fr booth too, then meeting for next ubuntu-party and OWF...). Busy september, as usual :) [11:00] didrocks, if you are busy just tell me no that's fine [11:00] do the universe one and I will do clutter [11:01] seb128: no, that's ok. Clutter is usually easy to update (I've already built it in my laptop from a recent git snapshot, last week-end) [11:01] ok good [11:01] if you don't feel like working on that feel free to skip [11:01] there is no hurry there, just a nice to have [11:01] seb128: yes, but the sooner is the better :) [11:10] seb128: (preparing release status) is bug 402175 just a matter of time, or are there blockers (bad patch, etc.)? [11:10] Launchpad bug 402175 in gnumeric "gtk_tree_view_column_get_cell_renderers implicitly converted to pointer" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402175 [11:11] same question for bug 403549 [11:11] Launchpad bug 403549 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV immediately after start up" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403549 [11:16] pitti, the nautilus one, new tarballs are due on monday, it missed alpha but I don't think it requires an upload today [11:16] ie no point to backport to undo next work day [11:16] seb128: right, I just wanted to know whether there are unresolved blockers; that's fine [11:16] pitti, I forgot about the first one, I though that was universe ... [11:16] will look at it after lunch [11:17] seb128: no hurry [11:17] I'm just running through the bits in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus to see where we are blocked [11:18] mvo: could you please give me a quick status for bug 391555? is it just a matter of finding some time to fix it, or is it a hard problem which isn't fully understood yet? [11:18] Launchpad bug 391555 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install crashed with AttributeError in itemIsInstalled()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391555 [11:20] seb128: for bug 412927, I currently have that blocking on a sid upload; could we in principle cherrypick the fix and sync later? [11:20] Launchpad bug 412927 in gst-plugins-base0.10 "Easy codec installation is not working" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412927 [11:21] pitti, I would prefer to wait, slomo commented on the upstream bug saying the change breaks things yesterday [11:21] ah, ok [11:21] pitti, he's still working on the right fix for that [11:21] * pitti updates bug status for that, thanks [11:21] it's going to be fixed before beta no worry but not this week [11:23] pitti, should empathy recommends telepathy-idle and telepathy-butterfly? [11:24] seb128: we seed -idle now, so if recommending it helps to lower the delta, that's fine [11:24] seb128: butterfly> still waiting for a definitive answer in bug 388898 for that [11:24] Launchpad bug 388898 in papyon "[MIR] empathy dependencies" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388898 [11:28] pitti, I would vote for using butterfly [11:29] seb128: could you comment to the bug with some justification? would be nice to have some comparison; do you use it? [11:29] I've been playing with it yes [11:29] justification: msn account import work with it, new version has video chat [11:30] I can do some extra testing, will add a comment to the bug [11:30] great [11:30] sounds convincing [11:34] Riddell: do you have a minute to update the Kubuntu status on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ? [11:37] pitti: I unsub-ed ubuntu-mir from the giant Empathy MIR bug BTW [11:37] As there was a stupid GStreamer task cluttering the list [11:38] lool: right, I saw; thanks [11:43] seb128, pitti: I've been testing it from the daily empathy ppa for stability issues and it hasn't died on me so far (butterfly) [11:46] Grah [11:46] pitti: Got my last lines? [11:46] 12:43 < lool> pitti: On workitems, would it make sense to normalize them? [11:46] pitti: I wonder whether we should reset tracking for mobile team to get a readable chart or normalize the bars to 100 [11:47] lool: no, these got lost [11:47] lool: we can change the initial number of items, i. e. where the trend line starts [11:48] I mean the graph part is quite borken for mobile because we added/changed so many workitems so late [11:48] pitti: Ok that's a good start [11:48] pitti: 150 might be better [11:48] lool: and/or drop the data from the first couple of days [11:48] pitti: just needs some attention/love I tihnk , I will work on it now [11:48] pitti: (bug #391555) [11:48] Launchpad bug 391555 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install crashed with AttributeError in itemIsInstalled()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391555 [11:49] pitti: Keeping >= august seems better [11:49] mvo: don't misunderstand me, I don't want to urge you to work on it now, just understand on which bugs we have blockers which need to be resolved [11:49] pitti: Would you mind changing these? [11:49] lool: sure [11:49] I cant really send you a patch but I could write you the commands if you like [11:49] pitti: thanks a lot [11:49] * pitti invokes the firefox sqlite editor [11:50] No kidding? [11:50] Didnt know we had that [11:50] Is it over webdav? or you have some server side stuff too? [11:51] pitti: sure, its fine, I have it on my todo list for today anyway :) [11:53] lool: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5817 [11:53] lool: no, download .db, edit locally, scp back [11:53] but that extension is just terrific [11:55] lool: how's that now? http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html [11:56] lool: also, this currently ends at 2009-10-01; it's a good end date for our team, it's the day until when we can do non-OMG changes to karmic still [11:56] depending on your release planning this might differ for your team [11:57] Ok [11:57] pitti: Well some work items are "Test LSB compliance of RC release" or "of beta release" [11:57] So we have some work items until the end, but that's ok [11:57] pitti: that looks good now thanks! [11:58] lool: fixed y position of title now, too [11:58] I'm sure it will be even better when I mark work items as POSTPONED in deferred specs [11:58] The sqlite extension is cool thanks [11:58] lool: for desktop team I just un-targetted them for karmic; then they automatically fall out of scope [12:02] Ack [12:57] hmm for some reason, alt+f2 is no longer working. [12:57] how strange. [12:58] do you have a transparent background? [12:58] no i don't [12:58] it's a solid colour [12:58] but i used compiz to reduce the opacity of the entire panel slightly [12:58] on all the bars configured? [12:58] only one bar [12:58] dunno then [12:59] there is a bug open about that being broken when the panel is not solid [12:59] it just doesn't respond to alt+f2 any more for some reason [12:59] but seems it's not your case so ... [12:59] well as said it happens when you set transparency [12:59] didn't read a bug about it happening when no transparency is used yet [12:59] hmm [12:59] i see [13:00] try undoing you compiz change [13:00] just did. still doesn't work [13:01] did you restart gnome-panel after the change? [13:01] nope [13:02] try that too [13:02] hmm i just restarted the panel and it works again [13:02] oh well [13:02] i wonder what happened earlier.. [13:03] what do you mean? [13:03] seems the same bug, transparency breaks things [13:03] killall gnome-panel [13:03] alt+f2 works again. [13:03] transparency still there [13:03] hum ok, dunno then [13:03] did you play with the transparency setting? [13:03] ie setting it and unsetting it let the shortcut broken [13:04] wait. i think i did [13:04] there you go [13:04] i was messing around with the panel background earlier [13:13] pitti: any ideas/suggestions about this bug> Bug #417824 , seems like a devkit bug , does any more info need to be provided... its messing up other components which try to invoke the power state :( [13:13] Launchpad bug 417824 in gnome-panel "Gnome-panel loads very late after session start" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417824 [13:13] or maybe a gnome-power-manager issue as seb128 suggests [13:16] oh , and i use a semi-transparent pixmap for the gnome panel [13:17] so alt-f2 doesn't work for you? [13:17] but the slowness is probably not due to that [13:17] the bug shows it's timeouting on some dbus call [13:17] nope alt+F2 doesnt work :(, hasnt been working for a long time [13:22] mac_v: replied to the bug with a test command [13:23] * mac_v checks [13:28] pitti: no :( , none of them time out , do you want me to paste the output in the bug? [13:28] mac_v: no, no need to === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ [13:30] i'm having a bunch of gpm bugs because of that :( [13:31] mac_v: you can consistently reproduce this timeout by killing and restarting g-p-m? [13:31] that woudl give us a handle at least [13:31] mac_v: could you run dbus-monitor --system while you do that? [13:34] pitti: if i kill gpm and restart it , it is always consistently starts late , Bug #409838 , also the prefs dont open immediately even after the icon is present [13:35] Launchpad bug 409838 in gnome-power-manager "GPM notification icon doesnt immediately display on start-up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409838 [13:35] pitti: you want me to first run the dbus-monitor? and then the gpm restart? [13:35] mac_v: yes; this will record all the d-bus calls it makes [13:35] ok [13:38] pitti: also , another unrelated problem , i'm trying to upload an log viewer crash ,but how many ever times i try , i get this apport error >Could not upload report data to crash database: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error < but i can upload the reduced report... , would the reduced report be enough? if not , how do i upload the complete report? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:55] good afternoon everyone! [13:58] kenvandine: hey [13:58] hey chrisccoulson [13:59] hey pitti! how are you? [13:59] good, thanks! you, too? [13:59] hey pitti [13:59] i'm good too - just finished work for the week:) [13:59] kenvandine: would you mind updating the dx integration status on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ? [14:01] pitti, sure [14:02] pitti: thanks for the help , i'v attached the dbus-monitor --system output to the bug :) [14:02] seems like its in some kind of a loop [14:04] pitti: ah ...! i think it is due to > acer usb camera [14:04] s/usb/built-in [14:05] mac_v: meh, GetAll() doesn't occur in the log [14:05] ugh, what would a camera have to do with it? [14:10] hey chrisccoulson [14:10] hi seb128! === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [14:12] mac_v: replied [14:13] ah! , i cant find the acer hang bug! just a sec [14:15] mac_v: just posted another debugging step [14:16] is anybody there wanting to write a libgdata mir, it's required by totem for youtube in karmic [14:32] pitti: added the log , could Bug #271258 be causing this? [14:32] Launchpad bug 271258 in linux "gspca's module fails on 2.6.27-3-generic on Intrepid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271258 [14:41] mac_v: well, everything's possible, but it seems very unrelated [14:41] hehe ;) [14:43] pitti: any other debugging you need for the bug ? or shall i mark it incomplete->new? [14:43] mac_v: hm; just looked at the dkp output, nothing interesting there [14:43] mac_v: but at least we have a reproducer on your system now [14:43] mac_v: any chance I could get ssh on your machine? [14:44] pitti: havent ever tried that , till now , would need instructions [14:45] to set it up [14:46] * mac_v googles [14:51] pitti: i'v installed ssh now [14:52] mac_v: if you are behind a router, you need to enable port forwarding of port 22, so that it can be reached from the outside [14:52] mac_v: and then you need to create a temporary user for me (call it "pitti" or so) [14:53] pitti: port 22 is a tcp/udp ? or can be any? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:54] ssh is tcp/22 [14:56] thanks baptistemm :) [14:57] pitti: admin priv , right? could i PM ? regarding setup of account [14:57] mac_v: I'd need admin, yes [14:57] rodrigo_: hey! I just tested your tomboy fix for #419992 [14:57] mac_v: the third key on https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Epitti/+sshkeys [14:58] mvo: and? it worked? [14:58] mac_v: please copy that to ~pitti/.ssh/authorized_keys [14:58] rodrigo_: its no longer crashing, but it says server not responding - is that ok? [14:58] mvo: yeah, known problem, needs some fixes uin u1.com [14:58] rodrigo_: its defnitely a improvement to before where it crashed immediately [14:58] rodrigo_: ok, great. I upload now [14:58] mvo: yeah, the fix is for accepting the server's certificates [14:58] mvo: cool, thanks! [14:58] my pleasure [14:59] mvo: the patch will be committed upstream this weekend, so I'll submit a new version next week with the patch removed [15:00] rodrigo_: ok, just let me know when I'm around, I'm happy to sponsor that then too [15:00] cool, I'll wait for the release to be done though :D [15:02] seb128: ok, seems the retracer is buggy and tries to mark a bug as a dupe of itself (see bug 423173) [15:02] Bug 423173 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/423173 is private [15:02] seb128: please don't restart it again for now, I need to investigate this more closely [15:02] pitti, ok [15:02] wehh, noscript jumps on me when I try to add a computer [15:07] dpm, hi, could you reply on this gdm bug to see if you still have the issue? [15:07] dpm, the one about the language list not making different variants differents? [15:08] cassidy, hey [15:09] cassidy, about the default audiosink, current default seems to be autoaudiosink, not alsa, isn't that correct? [15:12] seb128: yes, I saw your reply yesterday and I was intending to respond. I've checked it on my netbook with Karmic UNR and it's not solved yet. I haven't had the chance to test it on my Ubuntu Karmic yet, but I'd expect the result to be the same. I'll try to do it by the end of today [15:13] dpm, ok thanks [15:20] seb128: Remember my xterm issue at GUADEC? [15:20] next xterm in Debian wont have sgid bit anymore \o/! [15:24] @all: would anyone be able to cover for me in the release team meeting in 35 minutes? I updated our report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus already, but we need someone to answer questions; I have a dev week talk overlapping with it [15:24] pitti, can do [15:24] I'll be in the channel, but might not be able to answer in time [15:25] seb128: my hero [15:25] merci [15:25] * seb128 hugs pitti [15:25] de rien [15:51] kenvandine: hm, current xsplash didn't really change anything, did it? [15:51] nope [15:52] couple bug fixes and changes 10s to 15s [15:52] new artwork is under negotiations :) [15:52] right, I meant the broken throbber [16:00] seb128: release team meeting starting now; I'll start, but would be nice to have you on standby [16:01] pitti, I'm there [16:03] seb128: the patch I was modifying was already making calls to Xlib so I guess not [16:03] Amaranth, ok [16:14] seb128, would you know off hand if either pidgin or telepathy support multi-user audio conferencing? [16:14] rickspencer3, no idea but I guess not === kklimonda is now known as kklimonda|G1 === kklimonda|G1 is now known as kklimonda === spc_ is now known as spc [16:59] lool, oh, nice for you I guess, I use g-t so I don't have the issue ;-) [16:59] seb128: Just wanted to share the end of the story with you -- really a bug and fixed now :) [17:00] good ;-) === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [17:38] mvo, mac_v: hello [17:41] * mac_v now is serious debugging mode ;p [17:41] in* [17:41] * mac_v waves rugby471 [17:42] mac_v: hehe [18:03] *phew* back from dev week talk; that went well [18:05] good ;-) [18:14] mac_v: I just submitted an entry for the countdown banner, how is it? https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2009-September/000776.html === mac__v is now known as mac_v [18:33] mac_v: I just submitted an entry for the countdown banner, how is it? https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2009-September/000776.html [18:34] rugby471: hehe , you copied ;p [18:34] mac_v: told you I don't have big ideas :-) [18:40] <\sh> hmmm..since this morning I have some problems with the gnome login... gdm fires up, select username, enter password, and then hourglass cursor and after 5 mins, I can see on the console some strange "memory" errors...gnome desktop never comes up...switching between console and X gives me then some graphics problems [18:40] rugby471: atleast change the colors , its too similar to the gdm , might not be chosen [18:41] mac_v: I chose to base it on that though, however if I get the same reaction from others then I probably will === asac_ is now known as asac [19:39] ah! retracers are stuck again :( , someone pls restart them [19:40] mac_v: (15:02:18) pitti: seb128: ok, seems the retracer is buggy and tries to mark a bug as a dupe of itself (see bug 423173) [19:40] Bug 423173 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/423173 is private [19:40] (15:02:31) pitti: seb128: please don't restart it again for now, I need to investigate this more closely [19:40] that's why ;) [19:40] chrisccoulson: hehe ;) ok , but i had filed a crash 2 days ago [19:42] chrisccoulson: did you get the mail about the dbus bug? the one we discussed the other day? === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [19:42] is that the issue you were having when logging in? [19:42] > Bug #417824 [19:42] Launchpad bug 417824 in gnome-panel "Gnome-panel loads very late after session start (dup-of: 271258)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417824 [19:42] Launchpad bug 271258 in linux "Acer Orbicam gspca's module fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271258 [19:42] mac_v - yeah, i saw the mails about that [19:43] that's a wierd one indeed ;) [19:43] hehe , it turns out to be due to the stupid logitech drivers :/ [19:43] i have a logitech webcam here [19:43] would be interesting to see if i have the same issue! [19:43] acer? [19:44] no, i've just got a stand-along logitech webcam hooked up to my desktop [19:44] but it's never worked [19:44] s/stand-along/stand-alone [19:44] logitech didnt work from intrepid! and no one has tried to fix it :( [19:45] yeah, i'd try and fix it if i knew how [19:45] hardware support is still something i struggle with on my desktop [19:45] i have a weird feeling , but i dont know how this is happening , ever since update to intrepid , the webcam doesnt work in windows too ! [19:45] how is that possible? [19:46] not sure - that is a bit strange [19:46] once, i had installed win7 , the webcam worked in win 7 but after i reinstalled grub it doesnt work in win7 too! [19:47] heh, i'm not sure how to explain that ;) [19:47] yeah , really crazy... webcam is in use , it keeps saying try to stop the already running app... i have to try once again by re-installing mbr [19:48] i can only get a single frame from my webcam, then it freezes and doesn't work until i reconnect it [19:49] so, i can take still images with it! [19:49] that happened when i was using kernel -4 [19:49] or -3 [19:49] not sure but it worked partly in alpha3 , which kernel was alpha 3 released with? [19:50]