[00:32] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, ping
[01:20] <rickspencer3> g'night robert_ancell and TheMuso
[01:20] <rickspencer3> have a good weekend
[01:21] <robert_ancell> night
[06:56] <didrocks> good morning
[07:04] <hyperair> hmm gcalctool's broken
[07:16] <mac_v> hyperair: gcalctool WFM ;p
[07:16] <hyperair> mac_v: try using the financial calculator mode
[07:16] <hyperair> mac_v: click on some buttons
[07:16] <mac_v> oh , just a sec
[07:18] <mac_v> hyperair: oh , the top row buttons , yeah
[07:18] <hyperair> yep
[08:18] <pitti> Good morning
[08:20] <mac_v> robert_ancell: hi... seems you have assigned > Bug #82654 to yourself, it has a papercut task too , is it a papercut? i.e simple fix ?
[08:22] <robert_ancell> mac_v, I wouldn't say it's trivial.  It requires making the window moving and resizing code clip on the panel edges
[08:22] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[08:22]  * pitti hugs robert_ancell and seb128
[08:22] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:22]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:23] <robert_ancell> hey seb128
[08:23] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:23] <didrocks> hi pitti
[08:23] <didrocks> morning robert_ancell
[08:24] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:24] <mac_v> robert_ancell: hmm, if its too big a work,or would take more than a day to fix, could you invalidate the papercut with a short reason pls :)
[08:24] <seb128> didrocks, wrong timezone
[08:24] <robert_ancell> mac_v, ok
[08:24] <didrocks> seb128: yes :) "good evening robert_ancell" is better
[08:24] <robert_ancell> didrocks, good friday evening even :)  Off to the pub soon
[08:25] <didrocks> robert_ancell: hehe, ready to enjoy your week-end? :)
[08:25] <robert_ancell> didrocks, absolutely :)
[08:26] <robert_ancell> didrocks, how is quickly going?  You seem to be making good progress.  I read an arstechnica article about it today
[08:27] <didrocks> pitti: when you have some time: I added a python-distutils-extra task and additional info to bug #421689. I guess you only take the first found file to search for a package in the egg file. If you can take a look at it, it would be great as new package created with Quickly can't be runned without crashing
[08:28] <didrocks> robert_ancell: yes, we will release 0.2.1 this week-end and the Core has been rewritten for 0.2. I'll post a blog post suit next week describing features, how to create Quickly templates, etc. :)
[08:28] <seb128> robert_ancell, you know about bug #400863 ?
[08:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, your new bug seems a duplicate
[08:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, ah, thanks
[08:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, can you look at the xscreensaver bzr and see if the conflict changes I made make sense?
[08:40] <seb128> robert_ancell, looking
[08:41] <robert_ancell> seb128, actually they should be (!= ${binary:Version})
[08:42] <seb128> robert_ancell, I would use a Replaces too
[08:43] <robert_ancell> seb128, why do they need a replaces?
[08:43] <seb128> mvo, ^
[08:43] <seb128> because technically they replace files from other binaries
[08:43] <seb128> conflicts means 'can't be install together with that'
[08:44] <mvo> seb128++
[08:44] <seb128> replaces means 'is going to overwrite files from that'
[08:44] <seb128> mvo, bzr get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/xscreensaver/ubuntu
[08:44] <seb128> mvo, rev8
[08:44] <seb128> if you want to have a look
[08:44] <robert_ancell> so I need to mark them as replacing any older versions of the other packages
[08:44] <seb128> usually not any version
[08:45] <seb128> we just bump versions when we move things around
[08:45]  * mvo looks
[08:46] <mvo> yeah, if its just files moving around, a relaces if sufficient. makes the work of apt/dpkg simpler too
[08:46] <robert_ancell> mvo, so the conflicts is not required?
[08:47] <mvo> if its just about moving files around, then no
[08:47] <mvo> if there is another reason (e.g. two binaries that fight for the same resource or something) then it is required
[08:51] <robert_ancell> seb128, mvo, thanks branch is updated and ready for sponsorship if looks good
[08:52] <seb128> ok, will do sponsoring after getting coffee
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> mmmmmm, coffee :)
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> good morning btw
[08:54] <robert_ancell> mvo, do you think we need to add anything more to the compiz 0.8.3 bug (bug 422384) before putting into the sponsorship queue?
[08:54] <mvo> robert_ancell: we should do another update, more bugfixes went into git recently
[08:55] <mvo> robert_ancell: and we need a word from the release team that its ok to upload .)
[08:55] <mvo> robert_ancell: I will prepare the updates, should be a trivial thing
[08:55] <mvo> (updating to latest git)
[09:03] <huats> morning everyone
[09:03] <seb128> lut huats
[09:11] <huats> hello seb128
[09:11] <robert_ancell> huats has arrived, i'm off ;)
[09:12] <huats> lol
[09:12] <huats> good night robert_ancell :)
[09:12] <robert_ancell> huats, :) see you later
[09:12] <huats> I'll take care of the day :)
[09:12]  * robert_ancell tags in huats.  And assigns him all his work :)
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, do you plan to review the gnome-games sponsoring request again?
[09:24] <pitti> seb128: not right now, but can do later
[09:24] <seb128> pitti, would be nice, thank you
[09:37] <seb128> huats, pessulus needs fixing btw
[09:40] <huats> seb128: I have seen
[09:40] <huats> it is on my daily todo list
[09:40] <huats> thanks
[09:40] <huats> (and btw I don't think the upstream configure.ac reflect thats :)
[09:41] <seb128> huats, it's python ...
[09:41] <seb128> ie they don't depends on lib at build time
[09:41] <seb128> there is no compilation to do
[09:41] <huats> :)
[09:42]  * huats was just trying to blame vuntz for not mentioning it:)
[09:42] <huats> (in the archive)
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, I'm sponsoring dx*
[09:43] <seb128> (xsplash, libdbusmenu, indicator)
[09:43] <seb128> just fyi
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: merci
[10:02] <seb128> pitti, do you remember what you did for the previous libdbusmenu upload?
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, the bzr changelog doesn't match the current karmic one, your changes to bzr-builddeb options are not in bzr
[10:03] <pitti> oops
[10:03] <pitti> seb128: sorry, push failed; merging my changes
[10:04] <seb128> pitti, what bzr did you use btw?
[10:04] <seb128> thanks
[10:04] <seb128> kenvandine used lp:~ubuntu-desktop/dbusmenu/ubuntu
[10:04] <seb128> but that's not the one in the control
[10:05] <pitti> right, that's the correct branch; I fixed that back then in debian/control
[10:05] <seb128> ok good
[10:08] <pitti> seb128: pushed
[10:08] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:08] <pitti> sorry for the hassle
[10:09] <seb128> no problem I was just getting confused
[10:29] <seb128> mvo, hey, want to have a look to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/xscreensaver/ubuntu and sponsor if it's good to be uploaded?
[10:29] <seb128> mvo, it's things moving around packages should not be too hard to review, I'm busy with dxteam updates right now and I would welcome a double check from you for the replaces, etc on this one
[10:36] <mvo> seb128: maybe after lunch, I'm currently merging some synaptic fixes, not sure how long that is going to take
[10:37] <seb128> mvo, ok thanks, no hurry in any case that was in case you wanted to do some sponsoring ;-)
[10:38] <Riddell> hmm, I always get scared when xscreensaver moves things about, means I have to move things about in kde screensaver
[10:38] <seb128> Riddell, want to have a look to the sponsoring request maybe then so you can check that too?
[10:38]  * seb128 uploads new libdbus-menu and xplash
[10:39] <seb128> indicator-session next
[10:42] <seb128> vuntz, hey, do you also have rows and columns=0 in the wnck-applet?
[10:51] <seb128> Amaranth, hi
[10:51] <seb128> Amaranth, shouldn't you include Xlib.h for your g-c-c changes ans add some xlib pkg-config check too?
[10:52] <didrocks> seb128: btw, how was your udw session?
[10:52] <seb128> didrocks, I didn't have one?
[10:52] <seb128> didrocks, the hundredpapercut one from djsiegel you mean?
[10:53] <didrocks> seb128: yes, that's what is written :)
[10:53] <seb128> didrocks, went well, david did it, I just replied to one question
[10:53] <didrocks> seb128: ok :)
[10:55] <seb128> didrocks, btw do you still plan to work on the gnome-shell stack updates?
[10:56] <didrocks> seb128: mutter is last remaining thing on my side, right? (I can work on clutter too, be you will have to sponsor it :))
[10:56] <seb128> didrocks, right
[10:56] <seb128> I'm fine doing sponsoring if you update clutter too
[10:57] <seb128> GNOME updated the requirement to current 1.0 version I think
[10:57] <didrocks> seb128: I'll do it this evening (I worked a lot for UDW + quickly this week). Is it ok for you?
[10:57] <seb128> so it would be nice to get it in karmic
[10:57] <seb128> no hurry, I will not sponsor that before monday anyway
[10:57] <didrocks> yes, but as I will be in the "braderie de lille" for ubuntu-fr this week-end, I have to do it tonight :)
[10:58] <didrocks> (and next week will be for "fête de l'humanité", on the ubuntu-fr booth too, then meeting for next ubuntu-party and OWF...). Busy september, as usual :)
[11:00] <seb128> didrocks, if you are busy just tell me no that's fine
[11:00] <seb128> do the universe one and I will do clutter
[11:01] <didrocks> seb128: no, that's ok. Clutter is usually easy to update (I've already built it in my laptop from a recent git snapshot, last week-end)
[11:01] <seb128> ok good
[11:01] <seb128> if you don't feel like working on that feel free to skip
[11:01] <seb128> there is no hurry there, just a nice to have
[11:01] <didrocks> seb128: yes, but the sooner is the better :)
[11:10] <pitti> seb128: (preparing release status) is bug 402175 just a matter of time, or are there blockers (bad patch, etc.)?
[11:11] <pitti> same question for bug 403549
[11:16] <seb128> pitti, the nautilus one, new tarballs are due on monday, it missed alpha but I don't think it requires an upload today
[11:16] <seb128> ie no point to backport to undo next work day
[11:16] <pitti> seb128: right, I just wanted to know whether there are unresolved blockers; that's fine
[11:16] <seb128> pitti, I forgot about the first one, I though that was universe ...
[11:16] <seb128> will look at it after lunch
[11:17] <pitti> seb128: no hurry
[11:17] <pitti> I'm just running through the bits in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus to see where we are blocked
[11:18] <pitti> mvo: could you please give me a quick status for bug 391555? is it just a matter of finding some time to fix it, or is it a hard problem which isn't fully understood yet?
[11:20] <pitti> seb128: for bug 412927, I currently have that blocking on a sid upload; could we in principle cherrypick the fix and sync later?
[11:21] <seb128> pitti, I would prefer to wait, slomo commented on the upstream bug saying the change breaks things yesterday
[11:21] <pitti> ah, ok
[11:21] <seb128> pitti, he's still working on the right fix for that
[11:21]  * pitti updates bug status for that, thanks
[11:21] <seb128> it's going to be fixed before beta no worry but not this week
[11:23] <seb128> pitti, should empathy recommends telepathy-idle and telepathy-butterfly?
[11:24] <pitti> seb128: we seed -idle now, so if recommending it helps to lower the delta, that's fine
[11:24] <pitti> seb128: butterfly> still waiting for a definitive answer in bug 388898 for that
[11:28] <seb128> pitti, I would vote for using butterfly
[11:29] <pitti> seb128: could you comment to the bug with some justification? would be nice to have some comparison; do you use it?
[11:29] <seb128> I've been playing with it yes
[11:29] <seb128> justification: msn account import work with it, new version has video chat
[11:30] <seb128> I can do some extra testing, will add a comment to the bug
[11:30] <pitti> great
[11:30] <pitti> sounds convincing
[11:34] <pitti> Riddell: do you have a minute to update the Kubuntu status on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ?
[11:37] <lool> pitti: I unsub-ed ubuntu-mir from the giant Empathy MIR bug BTW
[11:37] <lool> As there was a stupid GStreamer task cluttering the list
[11:38] <pitti> lool: right, I saw; thanks
[11:43] <davmor2> seb128, pitti: I've been testing it from the daily empathy ppa for stability issues and it hasn't died on me so far (butterfly)
[11:46] <lool> Grah
[11:46] <lool> pitti: Got my last lines?
[11:46] <lool> 12:43 < lool> pitti: On workitems, would it make sense to normalize them?
[11:46] <lool> pitti: I wonder whether we should reset tracking for mobile team to get a readable chart or normalize the bars to 100
[11:47] <pitti> lool: no, these got lost
[11:47] <pitti> lool: we can change the initial number of items, i. e. where the trend line starts
[11:48] <lool> I mean the graph part is quite borken for mobile because we added/changed so many workitems so late
[11:48] <lool> pitti: Ok that's a good start
[11:48] <lool> pitti: 150 might be better
[11:48] <pitti> lool: and/or drop the data from the first couple of days
[11:48] <mvo> pitti: just needs some attention/love I tihnk , I will work on it now
[11:48] <mvo> pitti: (bug #391555)
[11:49] <lool> pitti: Keeping >= august seems better
[11:49] <pitti> mvo: don't misunderstand me, I don't want to urge you to work on it now, just understand on which bugs we have blockers which need to be resolved
[11:49] <lool> pitti: Would you mind changing these?
[11:49] <pitti> lool: sure
[11:49] <lool> I cant really send you a patch but I could write you the commands if you like
[11:49] <lool> pitti: thanks a lot
[11:49]  * pitti invokes the firefox sqlite editor
[11:50] <lool> No kidding?
[11:50] <lool> Didnt know we had that
[11:50] <lool> Is it over webdav?  or you have some server side stuff too?
[11:51] <mvo> pitti: sure, its fine, I have it on my todo list for today anyway :)
[11:53] <pitti> lool: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5817
[11:53] <pitti> lool: no, download .db, edit locally, scp back
[11:53] <pitti> but that extension is just terrific
[11:55] <pitti> lool: how's that now? http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html
[11:56] <pitti> lool: also, this currently ends at 2009-10-01; it's a good end date for our team, it's the day until when we can do non-OMG changes to karmic still
[11:56] <pitti> depending on your release planning this might differ for your team
[11:57] <lool> Ok
[11:57] <lool> pitti: Well some work items are "Test LSB compliance of RC release" or "of beta release"
[11:57] <lool> So we have some work items until the end, but that's ok
[11:57] <lool> pitti: that looks good now thanks!
[11:58] <pitti> lool: fixed y position of title now, too
[11:58] <lool> I'm sure it will be even better when I mark work items as POSTPONED in deferred specs
[11:58] <lool> The sqlite extension is cool thanks
[11:58] <pitti> lool: for desktop team I just un-targetted them for karmic; then they automatically fall out of scope
[12:02] <lool> Ack
[12:57] <hyperair> hmm for some reason, alt+f2 is no longer working.
[12:57] <hyperair> how strange.
[12:58] <seb128> do you have a transparent background?
[12:58] <hyperair> no i don't
[12:58] <hyperair> it's a solid colour
[12:58] <hyperair> but i used compiz to reduce the opacity of the entire panel slightly
[12:58] <seb128> on all the bars configured?
[12:58] <hyperair> only one bar
[12:58] <seb128> dunno then
[12:59] <seb128> there is a bug open about that being broken when the panel is not solid
[12:59] <hyperair> it just doesn't respond to alt+f2 any more for some reason
[12:59] <seb128> but seems it's not your case so ...
[12:59] <seb128> well as said it happens when you set transparency
[12:59] <seb128> didn't read a bug about it happening when no transparency is used yet
[12:59] <hyperair> hmm
[12:59] <hyperair> i see
[13:00] <seb128> try undoing you compiz change
[13:00] <hyperair> just did. still doesn't work
[13:01] <seb128> did you restart gnome-panel after the change?
[13:01] <hyperair> nope
[13:02] <seb128> try that too
[13:02] <hyperair> hmm i just restarted the panel and it works again
[13:02] <hyperair> oh well
[13:02] <hyperair> i wonder what happened earlier..
[13:03] <seb128> what do you mean?
[13:03] <seb128> seems the same bug, transparency breaks things
[13:03] <hyperair> killall gnome-panel
[13:03] <hyperair> alt+f2 works again.
[13:03] <hyperair> transparency still there
[13:03] <seb128> hum ok, dunno then
[13:03] <seb128> did you play with the transparency setting?
[13:03] <seb128> ie setting it and unsetting it let the shortcut broken
[13:04] <hyperair> wait. i think i did
[13:04] <seb128> there you go
[13:04] <hyperair> i was messing around with the panel background earlier
[13:13] <mac_v> pitti: any ideas/suggestions about this bug> Bug #417824 , seems like a devkit bug , does any more info need to be provided... its messing up other components which try to invoke the power state :(
[13:13] <mac_v> or maybe a gnome-power-manager issue as seb128 suggests
[13:16] <mac_v> oh , and i use a semi-transparent pixmap for the gnome panel
[13:17] <seb128> so alt-f2 doesn't work for you?
[13:17] <seb128> but the slowness is probably not due to that
[13:17] <seb128> the bug shows it's timeouting on some dbus call
[13:17] <mac_v> nope alt+F2 doesnt work :(, hasnt been working for a long time
[13:22] <pitti> mac_v: replied to the bug with a test command
[13:23]  * mac_v checks
[13:28] <mac_v> pitti: no :( , none of them time out , do you want me to paste the output  in the bug?
[13:28] <pitti> mac_v: no, no need to
[13:30] <mac_v> i'm having a bunch of gpm bugs because of that :(
[13:31] <pitti> mac_v: you can consistently reproduce this timeout by killing and restarting g-p-m?
[13:31] <pitti> that woudl give us a handle at least
[13:31] <pitti> mac_v: could you run dbus-monitor --system while you do that?
[13:34] <mac_v> pitti: if i kill gpm and restart it , it is always consistently starts late , Bug #409838 , also the prefs dont open immediately even after the icon is present
[13:35] <mac_v> pitti: you want me to first run the dbus-monitor? and then the gpm restart?
[13:35] <pitti> mac_v: yes; this will record all the d-bus calls it makes
[13:35] <mac_v> ok
[13:38] <mac_v> pitti: also , another unrelated problem , i'm trying to upload an log viewer crash ,but how many ever times i try , i get this apport error >Could not upload report data to crash database: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error < but i can upload the reduced report... , would the reduced report be enough? if not , how do i upload the complete report?
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> good afternoon everyone!
[13:58] <pitti> kenvandine: hey
[13:58] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti! how are you?
[13:59] <pitti> good, thanks! you, too?
[13:59] <kenvandine> hey pitti
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> i'm good too - just finished work for the week:)
[13:59] <pitti> kenvandine: would you mind updating the dx integration status on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ?
[14:01] <kenvandine> pitti, sure
[14:02] <mac_v> pitti: thanks for the help , i'v attached the dbus-monitor --system  output to the bug :)
[14:02] <mac_v> seems like its in some kind of a loop
[14:04] <mac_v> pitti: ah ...!  i think it is due to > acer usb camera
[14:04] <mac_v> s/usb/built-in
[14:05] <pitti> mac_v: meh, GetAll() doesn't occur in the log
[14:05] <pitti> ugh, what would a camera have to do with it?
[14:10] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128!
[14:12] <pitti> mac_v: replied
[14:13] <mac_v> ah! , i cant find the acer hang bug! just a sec
[14:15] <pitti> mac_v: just posted another debugging step
[14:16] <seb128> is anybody there wanting to write a libgdata mir, it's required by totem for youtube in karmic
[14:32] <mac_v> pitti: added the log , could Bug #271258 be causing this?
[14:41] <pitti> mac_v: well, everything's possible, but it seems very unrelated
[14:41] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[14:43] <mac_v> pitti: any other debugging you need for the bug ? or shall i mark it incomplete->new?
[14:43] <pitti> mac_v: hm; just looked at the dkp output, nothing interesting there
[14:43] <pitti> mac_v: but at least we have a reproducer on your system now
[14:43] <pitti> mac_v: any chance I could get ssh on your machine?
[14:44] <mac_v> pitti: havent ever tried that , till now , would need instructions
[14:45] <mac_v> to set it up
[14:46]  * mac_v googles
[14:51] <mac_v> pitti: i'v installed ssh now
[14:52] <pitti> mac_v: if you are behind a router, you need to enable port forwarding of port 22, so that it can be reached from the outside
[14:52] <pitti> mac_v: and then you need to create a temporary user for me (call it "pitti" or so)
[14:53] <mac_v> pitti: port 22 is a tcp/udp ? or can be any?
[14:54] <baptistemm> ssh is tcp/22
[14:56] <mac_v> thanks baptistemm :)
[14:57] <mac_v> pitti: admin priv , right? could i PM ? regarding setup of account
[14:57] <pitti> mac_v: I'd need admin, yes
[14:57] <mvo> rodrigo_: hey! I just tested your tomboy fix for #419992
[14:57] <pitti> mac_v: the third key on https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Epitti/+sshkeys
[14:58] <rodrigo_> mvo: and? it worked?
[14:58] <pitti> mac_v: please copy that to ~pitti/.ssh/authorized_keys
[14:58] <mvo> rodrigo_: its no longer crashing, but it says server not responding - is that ok?
[14:58] <rodrigo_> mvo: yeah, known problem, needs some fixes uin u1.com
[14:58] <mvo> rodrigo_: its defnitely a improvement to before where it crashed immediately
[14:58] <mvo> rodrigo_: ok, great. I upload now
[14:58] <rodrigo_> mvo: yeah, the fix is for accepting the server's certificates
[14:58] <rodrigo_> mvo: cool, thanks!
[14:58] <mvo> my pleasure
[14:59] <rodrigo_> mvo: the patch will be committed upstream this weekend, so I'll submit a new version next week with the patch removed
[15:00] <mvo> rodrigo_: ok, just let me know when I'm around, I'm happy to sponsor that then too
[15:00] <rodrigo_> cool, I'll wait for the release to be done though :D
[15:02] <pitti> seb128: ok, seems the retracer is buggy and tries to mark a bug as a dupe of itself (see bug 423173)
[15:02] <pitti> seb128: please don't restart it again for now, I need to investigate this more closely
[15:02] <seb128> pitti, ok
[15:02] <mvo> wehh, noscript jumps on me when I try to add a computer
[15:07] <seb128> dpm, hi, could you reply on this gdm bug to see if you still have the issue?
[15:07] <seb128> dpm, the one about the language list not making different variants differents?
[15:08] <seb128> cassidy, hey
[15:09] <seb128> cassidy, about the default audiosink, current default seems to be autoaudiosink, not alsa, isn't that correct?
[15:12] <dpm> seb128: yes, I saw your reply yesterday and I was intending to respond. I've checked it on my netbook with Karmic UNR and it's not solved yet. I haven't had the chance to test it on my Ubuntu Karmic yet, but I'd expect the result to be the same. I'll try to do it by the end of today
[15:13] <seb128> dpm, ok thanks
[15:20] <lool> seb128: Remember my xterm issue at GUADEC?
[15:20] <lool> next xterm in Debian wont have sgid bit anymore   \o/!
[15:24] <pitti> @all: would anyone be able to cover for me in the release team meeting in 35 minutes? I updated our report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus already, but we need someone to answer questions; I have a dev week talk overlapping with it
[15:24] <seb128> pitti, can do
[15:24] <pitti> I'll be in the channel, but might not be able to answer in time
[15:25] <pitti> seb128: my hero
[15:25] <pitti> merci
[15:25]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[15:25] <seb128> de rien
[15:51] <pitti> kenvandine: hm, current xsplash didn't really change anything, did it?
[15:51] <kenvandine> nope
[15:52] <kenvandine> couple bug fixes and changes 10s to 15s
[15:52] <kenvandine> new artwork is under negotiations :)
[15:52] <pitti> right, I meant the broken throbber
[16:00] <pitti> seb128: release team meeting starting now; I'll start, but would be nice to have you on standby
[16:01] <seb128> pitti, I'm there
[16:03] <Amaranth> seb128: the patch I was modifying was already making calls to Xlib so I guess not
[16:03] <seb128> Amaranth, ok
[16:14] <rickspencer3> seb128, would you know off hand if either pidgin or telepathy support multi-user audio conferencing?
[16:14] <seb128> rickspencer3, no idea but I guess not
[16:59] <seb128> lool, oh, nice for you I guess, I use g-t so I don't have the issue ;-)
[16:59] <lool> seb128: Just wanted to share the end of the story with you -- really a bug and fixed now    :)
[17:00] <seb128> good ;-)
[17:38] <rugby471> mvo, mac_v: hello
[17:41]  * mac_v now is serious debugging mode ;p
[17:41] <mac_v> in*
[17:41]  * mac_v waves rugby471
[17:42] <rugby471> mac_v: hehe
[18:03] <pitti> *phew* back from dev week talk; that went well
[18:05] <seb128> good ;-)
[18:14] <rugby471> mac_v: I just submitted an entry for the countdown banner, how is it? https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2009-September/000776.html
[18:33] <rugby471> mac_v: I just submitted an entry for the countdown banner, how is it? https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2009-September/000776.html
[18:34] <mac_v> rugby471: hehe , you copied ;p
[18:34] <rugby471> mac_v: told you I don't have big ideas :-)
[18:40] <\sh> hmmm..since this morning I have some problems with the gnome login... gdm fires up, select username, enter password, and then hourglass cursor and after 5 mins, I can see on the console some strange "memory" errors...gnome desktop never comes up...switching between console and X gives me then some graphics problems
[18:40] <mac_v> rugby471: atleast change the colors , its too similar to the gdm , might not be chosen
[18:41] <rugby471> mac_v: I chose to base it on that though, however if I get the same reaction from others then I probably will
[19:39] <mac_v> ah!  retracers are stuck again :( , someone pls restart them
[19:40] <chrisccoulson> mac_v: (15:02:18) pitti: seb128: ok, seems the retracer is buggy and tries to mark a bug as a dupe of itself (see bug 423173)
[19:40] <chrisccoulson> (15:02:31) pitti: seb128: please don't restart it again for now, I need to investigate this more closely
[19:40] <chrisccoulson> that's why ;)
[19:40] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: hehe ;) ok , but i had filed a crash 2 days ago
[19:42] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: did you get the mail about the dbus bug? the one we discussed the other day?
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> is that the issue you were having when logging in?
[19:42] <mac_v> > Bug #417824
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - yeah, i saw the mails about that
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> that's a wierd one indeed ;)
[19:43] <mac_v> hehe , it turns out to be due to the stupid logitech drivers :/
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> i have a logitech webcam here
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> would be interesting to see if i have the same issue!
[19:43] <mac_v> acer?
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> no, i've just got a stand-along logitech webcam hooked up to my desktop
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> but it's never worked
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> s/stand-along/stand-alone
[19:44] <mac_v> logitech didnt work from intrepid! and no one has tried to fix it :(
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'd try and fix it if i knew how
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> hardware support is still something i struggle with on my desktop
[19:45] <mac_v> i have a weird feeling , but i dont know how this is happening , ever since update to intrepid , the webcam doesnt work in windows too !
[19:45] <mac_v> how is that possible?
[19:46] <chrisccoulson> not sure - that is a bit strange
[19:46] <mac_v> once, i had installed win7  , the webcam worked in win 7 but after i reinstalled grub it doesnt work in win7 too!
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm not sure how to explain that ;)
[19:47] <mac_v> yeah , really crazy... webcam is in use , it keeps saying try to stop the already running app... i have to try once again by re-installing mbr
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> i can only get a single frame from my webcam, then it freezes and doesn't work until i reconnect it
[19:49] <chrisccoulson> so, i can take still images with it!
[19:49] <mac_v> that happened when i was using kernel -4
[19:49] <mac_v> or -3
[19:49] <mac_v> not sure but it worked partly in alpha3 , which kernel was alpha 3 released with?
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> i can't remember now - it's all a blur ;)
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> and i've slept a couple of times since alpha3 too!:)
[19:50] <mac_v>  ;p , so i'm just going to do install at random \o/
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> i really need to update my desktop to karmic
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> my girlfriend won't like it though. she already moans at me when i break things and stuff she uses doesn't work properly
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> running a VM is too slow
[19:59] <mac_v> damn it /me will have to boot into win!
[20:09] <chrisccoulson> tedg - what checks is indicator-session doing to see if suspend/hibernate are supported?
[20:09] <chrisccoulson> (i've not actually had a look at the code yet)
[20:09] <tedg> chrisccoulson: I believe it asks HAL.
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> but both are listed in my menu, and suspend isn't supported
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> ah
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> it shouldn't be using HAL ;)
[20:10] <tedg> chrisccoulson: No, I changed it to DKp...  it's asking there.
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> oh, ok. i'll have to do some debugging here then and figure out why i see a suspend option in indicator-session but not in gnome-session dialog
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> bryce - thanks for uploading the xorg change:)
[21:10] <bryce> chrisccoulson, sure!
[22:07] <MDC1> icons - this has probably been discussed for ever and ever and i could understand the reason to remove icon from application menus and buttons BUT removing icons from the application menu? That is really stupid (sorry, i'm a bit upset about it). It makes the application menu look ugly and ugly and really really ugly and difficult to navigate (sorry, can't even argument, that upset i am)
[22:07] <MDC1> is *really* suppose to be like this?
[22:09] <MDC1> it makes the hole desktop look broken
[22:10] <MDC1> if this is the wrong place to discuss this - please throw me away to the correct place