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| diwic | Hello, | 00:51 |
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| diwic | while trying to build a package with pbuilder it seems like it can't satisfy the libjack-dev dependency | 00:52 |
| diwic | how can that be? | 00:52 |
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| RainCT_ | Out of curiosity, how often are apt's Translation-X files updated? | 00:54 |
| RainCT_ | diwic: Try updating your pbuilder. | 00:54 |
| diwic | "pbuilder update"? Tried that. | 00:55 |
| diwic | RainCT_: pbuilder-satisfy-depends-dummy: Depends: libjack-dev which is a virtual package. | 00:59 |
| diwic | AFAIK, libjack-dev is not a virtual package...? | 01:00 |
| c_korn | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libjack-dev&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all | 01:02 |
| c_korn | diwic: you are not running dapper by chance ? :) | 01:02 |
| diwic | c_kom: I hope not :-) Freshly installed karmic | 01:02 |
| diwic | c_korn: sorry I misspelled your name | 01:03 |
| diwic | gaah...found it...forgot to enable universe | 01:20 |
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| LordMetroid | What is Ubuntu doing for so long after one has logged in to one's user? | 02:01 |
| LordMetroid | It is annoying as hell to wait after one has logged in | 02:01 |
| LordMetroid | Cause in the time it takes to come to the login field, you can go and take a cup of coffee | 02:02 |
| LordMetroid | In jaunty when you logged in you got the system served to you | 02:02 |
| LordMetroid | Now I have to wait | 02:02 |
| billybigrigger | anyone tried vnc sessions in karmic? | 02:32 |
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| TheMuso | Do such packages as xsplash, indicator-session, and libdbusmenu require feature freeze exceptions to be updated? Yes I know Canonical works on them, but they are new upstream releases after all. (I am looking into sponsoring uploads, and want to be sure an FFE is not required before I do so.) | 06:03 |
| ScottK | TheMuso: My understanding was they were to be treated like any other upstream. | 06:07 |
| ScottK | Certainly that's what we're doing in Kubuntu. For Ubuntu I don't know if it's different. | 06:08 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:12 |
| superm1 | TheMuso, keep in mind new upstream release != new features though | 06:13 |
| superm1 | (necessarily) | 06:13 |
| TheMuso | superm1: I am aware of that. | 06:13 |
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| dholbach | vorian: can you please please please take a look at bug 386428? | 06:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 386428 in xom "Please merge xom_1.2.1-1 (universe) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386428 | 06:32 |
| dholbach | ArneGoetje: will scim-anthy stay in main? | 06:51 |
| dholbach | if it should go to universe, we wouldn't need a MIR | 06:52 |
| dholbach | (for kasumi) | 06:52 |
| dholbach | pitti: ^ do you know what the state of the discussion is there? | 06:53 |
| dholbach | scim vs ibus? | 06:53 |
| ArneGoetje | dholbach: stay in main | 06:53 |
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| dholbach | ok | 06:55 |
| ArneGoetje | dholbach: we may need to switch back to scim if ibus appears to be too buggy and we cannot fix the issues in time | 06:55 |
| dholbach | alright | 06:55 |
| dholbach | ArneGoetje: there were a bunch of ITPs filed in Debian for new ibus plugins | 06:56 |
| ArneGoetje | dholbach: yeah, saw them | 06:56 |
| ArneGoetje | dholbach: but it's more important to get the current code into a good shape | 06:59 |
| dholbach | right | 06:59 |
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| dholbach | I was just excited to see things moving so quickly in ibus land | 07:03 |
| * nixternal hugs dholbach | 07:04 | |
| * dholbach hugs nixternal back :) | 07:05 | |
| nixternal | good morning sir | 07:05 |
| StevenK | ArneGoetje: In regards to the bug, if the upstream doesn't want to remove the .desktop file, we can just NoDisplay=true it | 07:19 |
| ArneGoetje | StevenK: yeah | 07:19 |
| StevenK | ArneGoetje: But however you want to deal with it is fine | 07:22 |
| ArneGoetje | StevenK: I'll poke the package maintainer again | 07:23 |
| ArneGoetje | StevenK: I really don't want to carry a delta around | 07:24 |
| StevenK | ArneGoetje: Even if it's a one-line delta? :-) | 07:33 |
| ArneGoetje | lidaobing: what about bug #420282 ? | 07:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 420282 in ibus "ibus is in "other" category in the menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420282 | 07:34 |
| lidaobing | ArneGoetje, I'll fix that in today or tomorrow | 07:35 |
| ArneGoetje | lidaobing: thanks | 07:35 |
| ArneGoetje | StevenK: ^ | 07:35 |
| StevenK | Fix it how, though? :-) | 07:37 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:17 |
| pitti | dholbach: no, from what I know scim should move to universe, we only keep ibus | 08:18 |
| dholbach | pitti: ArneGoetje seems to think otherwise | 08:20 |
| pitti | oh really? I thought we discussed that | 08:20 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: we still need scim? | 08:20 |
| * StevenK waves to pitti, throwing him a gummy bear | 08:21 | |
| dholbach | hey seb128 | 08:22 |
| seb128 | hello dholbach | 08:22 |
| pitti | hey StevenK! | 08:22 |
| ogra | hmm, did pidgin finally move to universe ? | 08:24 |
| StevenK | I thought it was supposed to stay? | 08:24 |
| * ogra wonders why nautilus-sendto doesnt find it at build time | 08:24 | |
| ogra | well, n-s ftbfs on armel | 08:25 |
| ogra | pidgin-dev: Depends: pidgin (>= 1:2.6.1-2ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed | 08:25 |
| ogra | Depends: libpurple-dev but it is not going to be installed | 08:25 |
| seb128 | arch all-any mismatch there? | 08:25 |
| seb128 | the new version has just been uploaded yesterday | 08:25 |
| ogra | yeah, i missed there was a pidgin upload yesterday | 08:26 |
| ogra | given back | 08:26 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: if ibus is too buggy and we cannot fix the issues in time, we'll switch back to scim... that's what we discussed. | 08:26 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: right, but why do we need to keep both in main? | 08:27 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: you want to move scim back and forth? | 08:27 |
| pitti | well, I want to make sure that we fix all dependencies, so that it is ready to go to universe | 08:28 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: ATM, something still keeps it in main through a dependency | 08:29 |
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| slangasek | TheMuso: why is paprefs now pulling in packagekit-gnome? | 09:21 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: I now have an extra (and buggy) update notification icon on my taskbar thanks to this; I think I'm going to remove paprefs from my system to get rid of it, but the dependency looks wrong to me anyway | 09:23 |
| Ryan52 | dholbach, asac, didrocks: could one of you please look at this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-web-photo/+bug/423822 | 09:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423822 in gnome-web-photo "Take screenshot from web does not work." [Medium,New] | 09:27 |
| Ryan52 | dholbach, asac, didrocks: that ugly hack of a wrapper script around gnome-web-photo instead of linking properly to libxul was probably a bad idea... | 09:27 |
| dholbach | asac: can you take a look at it? I don't know enough about it | 09:28 |
| mvo | slangasek: I filed a bug about this | 09:31 |
| asac | Ryan52: using libxul is no answer for sure either. i cant remember exactly what i did, but most likely i tried to avoid porting it to use the real "standalone glue" | 09:33 |
| Ryan52 | yes, by "properly linking" I meant using the xpcom glue. | 09:34 |
| asac | i dont know for sure how to use gnome-web-photo. please drop instructions how to reproduce in the bug | 09:34 |
| Ryan52 | honestly, I don't know how to use it either. | 09:34 |
| Ryan52 | for that, I'm sure dholbach can explain tho :) | 09:34 |
| asac | ah thats not your bug ;) | 09:34 |
| asac | Ryan52: want to work on it ;)` | 09:35 |
| asac | ? | 09:35 |
| Ryan52 | I'm not an Ubuntu user, and we don't have gnome-web-photo in Debian. I'm just taking care of my shutter users. :) | 09:35 |
| asac | what does shutter do then? | 09:35 |
| Ryan52 | takes screenshots from various places, one of those places being the web, for which it uses gnome-web-photo. | 09:36 |
| asac | how | 09:36 |
| asac | ? | 09:36 |
| dholbach | daniel@miyazaki:~$ gnome-web-photo.real --mode=thumbnail https://daniel.holba.ch/blog bla.png | 09:36 |
| dholbach | gnome-web-photo.real: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 09:36 |
| dholbach | daniel@miyazaki:~$ | 09:36 |
| asac | do you run a command? or link against a lib? | 09:36 |
| asac | dont call .real | 09:36 |
| dholbach | I guess that's what the problem is right now | 09:36 |
| asac | why do you do that? | 09:36 |
| dholbach | asac: the other one didn't work either :) | 09:37 |
| dholbach | but basically that's how you'd run it | 09:37 |
| Ryan52 | asac: once gnome-web-photo works, shutter will too, so fix dholbach's problem :) | 09:37 |
| asac | Ryan52: .real is not supposed to work | 09:37 |
| Ryan52 | asac: he said the other one doesn't work either. | 09:37 |
| asac | but no hint how | 09:37 |
| asac | from what i know the non-real thing sets the LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 09:37 |
| dholbach | daniel@miyazaki:~$ gnome-web-photo --mode=thumbnail https://daniel.holba.ch/blog bla.png | 09:38 |
| dholbach | Registering '@mozilla.org/module-loader/python;1' (libpyloader.so) | 09:38 |
| dholbach | Registering '@mozilla.org/network/protocol/about;1?what=python' (pyabout.py) | 09:38 |
| dholbach | <hang> | 09:38 |
| asac | so thats different ;) | 09:38 |
| asac | and has nothing to do with libxul | 09:38 |
| dholbach | I have no idea what happens there tbh | 09:38 |
| asac | Ryan52: ^^ dont call .real ;) | 09:38 |
| Ryan52 | ./share/shutter/resources/modules/Shutter/Screenshot/Web.pm: system("gnome-web-photo --timeout=$self->{_timeout} --mode=photo --format=$self->{_format} -q $self->{_quality} '$self->{_url}' '$self->{_dest_filename}'"); | 09:38 |
| Ryan52 | from shutter's source code. | 09:38 |
| Ryan52 | so it doesn't look like shutter is calling .real | 09:38 |
| asac | but http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31278228/screenshot_006.png | 09:38 |
| asac | dholbach: can you paste the non-real script? | 09:39 |
| dholbach | just a sec | 09:39 |
| Ryan52 | asac: I dunno, I'm just telling you what I know :) | 09:40 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/264842/ | 09:40 |
| mat_t | pitti: hey | 09:40 |
| * Ryan52 thinks there should be a 1.9.1 there.. | 09:40 | |
| asac | yes | 09:42 |
| pitti | hi mat_t | 09:49 |
| Ryan52 | asac, dholbach: am I correct in assuming that neither of you are going to look further into it? | 09:53 |
| Ryan52 | I guess tomorrow I'll install Ubuntu, meh. -.- | 09:53 |
| asac | Ryan52: any help would be appreciated. eventually i hope i would look at it | 09:54 |
| dholbach | Ryan52: I'm too busy at the moment to look into it, I'm sorry | 09:54 |
| asac | Ryan52: if you cannot do it, just remember to assign the bug to me | 09:55 |
| Ryan52 | okay, thanks. | 09:55 |
| mat_t | pitti: I'm preparing the usplash assets now | 09:59 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: Because upstream told me that it required packagekit-gnome. Unfrotunately I don't know much about packagekit, so I added a dep on the package that provided the needed executable that paprefs needs. | 10:08 |
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| pitti | TheMuso: eww, can we do without PK-gnome, please? | 10:12 |
| pitti | we really don't want to propose it as general interface for installing packages | 10:12 |
| pitti | PK is not suitable to be a general package installer on Debianish systems | 10:13 |
| pitti | and it's painfully slow, too | 10:13 |
| mvo | we should discuss this at next UDS, but if we can not get debconf support for PK I guess we need to bite the bullet and provide a PK compatible dbus session interface | 10:15 |
| mvo | we have a debconf frontend for aptdaemon, so its not a technical problem (anymore) | 10:15 |
| cjwatson | I think upstream said that if we want the former it should be done using the latter | 10:15 |
| mvo | oh well | 10:15 |
| pitti | mvo: that, and conffiles | 10:16 |
| mvo | right | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | Joey and I talked with Guillem at DebConf about moving bits of debconf into dpkg; it's still not out of the question that we might be able to get conffile prompts implemented using debconf | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | which really does need to happen ultimately | 10:17 |
| james_w | for conffiles, would there be an issue with doing the prompting at the end of the run? | 10:30 |
| james_w | i.e. are there good reasons why the prompt is done when it is? | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | the package isn't configured properly until the conffile is replaced; for instance you often need to replace the conffile before starting a daemon | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | this can be pretty importance | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | important | 10:33 |
| pitti | but debconf is also done at preinst time, so wrt. conffiles this should DTRT? | 10:34 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, retracers didn't upgrade yet, so they failed again; upgrading manually and restarting | 10:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 10:35 |
| seb128 | sorry I've been not very helping on those this week | 10:36 |
| pitti | seb128: no problem, just to let you know why you got another set of spam mails | 10:36 |
| dholbach | mok0: great session yesterday! | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | pitti: yes; but conffiles are postinst-time anyway | 10:40 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Right will look Monday, but I guess we have to disable the install feature in paprefs then, or patch it to use apt... | 10:46 |
| pitti | TheMuso: what does it want to install? | 10:48 |
| TheMuso | pitti: afaik to install things like the bits needed to talk over the network via upnp/zeroconf etc I suspect. | 10:55 |
| pitti | TheMuso: we could replace that with a call to gksu synaptics...? (there's a standard invocation for this to install a particular package; let me know if you need it) | 10:56 |
| TheMuso | pitti: ok thanks | 10:56 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, hey, there is a new libcanberra version available in case you didn't notice | 10:57 |
| seb128 | not sure if you want to do the update | 10:57 |
| TheMuso | seb128: Known, and wasn't sure if it was under the GNOME upstrea version umbrella, so just pulled important fixes from it for now. | 10:59 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, ah ok, I would just do the update it seems mostly bug fix changes | 10:59 |
| pitti | does anyone happen to know if latest karmic now enables KMS by default on ATI? | 11:23 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: do you have some time to look at bug 422930? | 11:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 422930 in cups "after upgrade, CUPS refuses to use existing PSC-750 'usb' config and creates a new PSC-750-2 'hp' config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422930 | 11:26 |
| jderose | pitti: I believe KMS is still only enabled for Intel chipsets | 11:26 |
| pitti | jderose: ok, thanks | 11:26 |
| jderose | pitti: but i haven't tried it, just read it from http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5 | 11:26 |
| pitti | bryce, tjaalton: is it still the plan to enable ati kms by default, as said on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ? | 11:26 |
| tjaalton | pitti: I'm not sure, bryce has been testing it. AIUI there are performance regressions when it's used | 11:33 |
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| Riddell | asac: this would be nice to look at, probably for karmic+1 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2009-09/msg00006.html | 12:15 |
| asac | Riddell: yeah. but it has to land upstream first ;) | 12:17 |
| asac | in the past suses hacks against ffox were regularly rejected | 12:17 |
| asac | but right. i should check and see if i can helkp them with upstreaming this | 12:18 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, bug 422930 is most likely called by the USB backend problems of CUPS. Please also upload the current BZR state of CUPS to assure that all fixes are in. | 12:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 422930 in cups "after upgrade, CUPS refuses to use existing PSC-750 'usb' config and creates a new PSC-750-2 'hp' config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422930 | 12:21 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: current bzr head is already in karmic (I uploaded a bzr snapshot for alpha-5) | 12:56 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, OK, thanks. | 12:57 |
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| taavikko | pitti: I accidentally may have selected "ignore future crashes" in apport, I just can't find the right place to nullify this decision... any help? | 13:23 |
| pitti | taavikko: rm ~/.apport-ignore.xml | 13:24 |
| pitti | taavikko: or wait until a new version of that program arrives :) | 13:24 |
| taavikko | thanks a punch pitti :) | 13:25 |
| ogra | dont punch pitti, we need him ;) | 13:25 |
| taavikko | hold the thanks then, "no .apport-ignore.xml here..." | 13:27 |
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| blackxored | greetings | 13:48 |
| pitti | taavikko: then you don't have an ignore list | 13:50 |
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| taavikko | pitti: then apport fails somehow to collect crash (it used to work few times today already, but not anymore? ) | 13:52 |
| taavikko | arora keeps crashing ( bug 420474 ) and the .crash file kept growing... | 13:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 420474 in arora "arora crashed with SIGSEGV in PL_HashTableLookupConst()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420474 | 13:53 |
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| taavikko | todays first crash report was 1GiB in size, removed it, next crash, resulted in 276MiB size, now it is 42Mib so little "funny behaviour" | 13:54 |
| pitti | taavikko: if it already crashed three times today, it will ignore further crashes today; remove the file in /var/crash if you want to get new ones | 13:59 |
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| taavikko | pitti: doh, the max-report thingy :) | 13:59 |
| taavikko | is there any limitations how big the crash report can be? didn't felt comfotable sending 1GiB | 14:00 |
| pitti | taavikko: it's meant to prevent eternal crash loops with programs which restart themselves but crash (e. g. nautilus or devkit-disks) | 14:00 |
| ogra | pitti, are you the one making decisions about usplash staying/going etc ? | 14:00 |
| * ogra would like what the status is for live images ... do we keep it there ? | 14:00 | |
| ogra | *like to know | 14:01 |
| pitti | taavikko: it's by and large capped on half of your memory size uncompressed core dump | 14:01 |
| pitti | taavikko: but yes, you shouldn't bother sending a 1GB dump.. | 14:01 |
| pitti | ogra: I thought it was collectively decided at UDS already | 14:01 |
| pitti | ogra: since usplash kicks in after a (short) timeout, it should automatically come up on the live CDs AFAIUI | 14:02 |
| ogra | i wasnt there | 14:02 |
| ogra | ah, cool | 14:02 |
| pitti | usplash should start (1) on interactivity (boot password), (2) on fsck, (3) when X takes too long to start | 14:02 |
| ogra | pitti, that concept means if my armel system takes 45sec to boot i will have usplash anyway ? | 14:02 |
| pitti | ogra: yes; my laptop takes a similar time, so I should see it, too | 14:03 |
| ogra | cool | 14:03 |
| ogra | so my work wasnte throw away stuff to make usplash work on imx51 :) | 14:03 |
| ogra | *wasnt | 14:03 |
| Notch-11 | hi, i'm trying to "beep" during the boot process, but i can't ear anything... must i load some modules or something else to get beep to work? | 14:03 |
| ogra | probably the pcspkr module ? | 14:04 |
| ogra | (just a guess) | 14:05 |
| pitti | Notch-11: pcspkr is blacklisted, you probably need that | 14:05 |
| Notch-11 | ogra: yes, my first guess too, but still can't ear the beep | 14:05 |
| Notch-11 | pitti: with "modprobe pcsprk" should work even if blacklisted, right? | 14:07 |
| pitti | Notch-11: yes | 14:07 |
| pitti | Notch-11: if you spell pcspkr right, that is :) | 14:08 |
| Notch-11 | pitti: hehe, both tried :P | 14:09 |
| Notch-11 | mm pcspkr is not in the initrd, maybe this | 14:10 |
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| Notch-11 | ubuntu pcspkr | 14:16 |
| Notch-11 | ups | 14:16 |
| highvoltage | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jonathan | 14:17 |
| highvoltage | (sorry wrong channel) | 14:17 |
| Notch-11 | nothing, even with the module loaded.. | 14:23 |
| Notch-11 | so what is missing for beep to beep ? | 14:30 |
| RainCT | Keybuk: Hey. Does D-Bus on Karmic have some limitation (as in the size of the answer to a call or something like that) impossed which wasn't there in Jaunty? | 14:30 |
| Keybuk | RainCT: not that I know of | 14:50 |
| Keybuk | there *are* limits to such things | 14:50 |
| Keybuk | but I don't think they have changed | 14:50 |
| Keybuk | in fact, the primary limit of D-Bus used to be the length of time a receiver of a message was permitted to take to reply to it until it timed out | 14:50 |
| Keybuk | and that's been entirely removed | 14:50 |
| ogra | Keybuk, did you see my ping before ? | 14:51 |
| Keybuk | ogra: no | 14:51 |
| ogra | Keybuk, did you notice that the boot slows down with every apparmor profile thats being adeed (additional reads ... i see a massive impact on armel but suspect it happens on other areches as well, just not as noticeable) | 14:51 |
| jdstrand | ogra, Keybuk: that is not accurate any more | 14:51 |
| Keybuk | ograyes | 14:51 |
| ogra | jdstrand, since when ? | 14:51 |
| ogra | i see it on A5 | 14:51 |
| jdstrand | ogra, Keybuk: or at least not noticably accuate | 14:51 |
| Keybuk | though that should be largely fixed in karmic aiui | 14:52 |
| Keybuk | I've certainly not noticed apparmor take that long | 14:52 |
| Keybuk | (and I made it largely background anyway in my prototype - so services depend on it but not X) | 14:52 |
| ogra | for me it's enough to make usplash time out | 14:52 |
| RainCT | Keybuk: Weird. We are having problems with Zeitgeist, always getting the generic error message ("may have timeout/disconnected/etc") when fetching more than 140 items in Karmic, but this works fine on Jaunty (and is actually pretty fast). Anyway, thanks for the info :) | 14:52 |
| jdstrand | ogra: kees implemented binary caching for the profiles | 14:52 |
| ogra | (on armel) | 14:52 |
| ogra | jdstrand, after usplash timed out i can slowly count to 5 to see the [ok] appear | 14:53 |
| jdstrand | ogra: this is very fast loading, assuming that the cache file exists. if it doesn't already exist, it the cache file must be compiled (done automatically) | 14:53 |
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| ogra | if it was added after A5 i havent probably tried it yet | 14:53 |
| jdstrand | (or if the profile changed) | 14:53 |
| ogra | but it is surely noticeable in my A5 installs | 14:53 |
| jdstrand | subsequent boots will use the cache then | 14:54 |
| ogra | ok, i'll keep an eye on it ... | 14:54 |
| jdstrand | ogra: that is certainly odd-- it shouldn't take that long. kees did the implementation so you'd want to follow up with him for problems you are having with it | 14:54 |
| ogra | i guess usplash needs a bigger timeout anyway on arm | 14:54 |
| ogra | will do ... | 14:55 |
| jdstrand | ogra: this feature was added way before A5, so I'm not sure what is going on | 14:55 |
| Keybuk | the usplash timeout thing is interesting | 14:55 |
| ogra | i'm currently busy with other stuff and will ping him if i have time for tests and measurements | 14:55 |
| Keybuk | I just noticed yesterday that there's no support for it in the upstart-based boot | 14:55 |
| Keybuk | so technically we need to disable the timeout entirely ;) | 14:55 |
| ogra | meaning ? | 14:55 |
| ogra | it cant time out at all ? | 14:55 |
| Keybuk | right | 14:56 |
| ogra | or we just lose ability to change it | 14:56 |
| ogra | ah, cool | 14:56 |
| * ogra loves that | 14:56 | |
| Keybuk | no timeout, upstart already knows to kill usplash itself | 14:56 |
| Keybuk | (and there's nothing on the console to timeout *to* anyway) | 14:57 |
| ogra | heh | 14:58 |
| Ryan52 | asac_: ya that wrapper script is crap. | 15:10 |
| Ryan52 | asac_: it thinks it'll find libxul is /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/ | 15:10 |
| Ryan52 | asac_: changing the 1.9.0 to 1.9.1 in it fixes the problem. | 15:10 |
| * Ryan52 will get a package made later, gotta go now | 15:13 | |
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| asac_ | Ryan52: thx. | 15:26 |
| asac_ | Ryan52: if you want you can fix it to use standalone glue ;) | 15:26 |
| tkamppeter | pitti: Your nre udev rules (bug 420015) work. | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 420015 in udev "usblp Kernel module needs to be removed and /dev/bus/usb/*/* made accessible for USB printers to work with CUPS 1.4.x" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420015 | 16:10 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: \o/ | 16:10 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: thanks for testing; committing then | 16:10 |
| kees | ogra: hrm, you're sure it's in apparmor it's stalling? can you check if /etc/apparmor.d/cache has files? | 16:14 |
| ogra | kees, on monday ... | 16:15 |
| seb128 | slangasek, are you going to upload your empathy fix or should I do it? | 16:17 |
| slangasek | seb128: not in the next hour or so; if you don't beat me to it, I'll have a look after the meeting :) | 16:21 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I do it now | 16:21 |
| kees | ogra: okay (i'm out on monday, US holiday...) | 16:23 |
| ogra | kees, tue. then, my schedule is full today | 16:24 |
| kees | ogra: okay | 16:24 |
| ogra | i want to do some measuring first so i can come up with some numbers | 16:24 |
| dholbach | Ubuntu Developer Week - last day, starting in 16 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek | 16:44 |
| Daviey | \o/ | 16:44 |
| dholbach | hey Daviey! | 16:52 |
| dholbach | waaaah, I have a half-installed grub-common (/usr/sbin/grub-set-default in package grub too) - am I going to die?!?!?! | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | bleh | 16:58 |
| cjwatson | --force-overwrite it for now | 16:58 |
| dholbach | thanks cjwatson | 16:59 |
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| jdstrand | cjwatson: hmm, bug #423485 doesn't seem to be fixed by the rebuild | 17:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423485 in valgrind "Valgrind needs to be recompiled for glibc 2.10" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423485 | 17:29 |
| jdstrand | *** 1:3.4.1-1ubuntu2 0 | 17:29 |
| jdstrand | valgrind /bin/echo hello | 17:29 |
| jdstrand | (very noisy) | 17:29 |
| cjwatson | jdstrand: it worked for me - can you try to track it down? does /usr/lib/valgrind/default.supp have 2.10 suppressions? | 17:30 |
| jdstrand | # Errors to suppress by default with glibc 2.10.x | 17:31 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: seems to, but I've never looked at this file before | 17:32 |
| nh2 | hi, how to get an app into that "easy-going" gnome app installer (add/remove software)? | 18:24 |
| cjwatson | kirkland,soren: would appreciate it if you could once-over lp:~cjwatson/eucalyptus/discover-nodes | 18:52 |
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| slangasek | TheMuso: I see nothing in the paprefs package description that explains why it needs to install packages; it's definitely not getting back on my system as long as it has that dep, though | 19:05 |
| Lutin | I there anything needed to get the flash plugin to output audio with pulseaudio on karmic ? doesn't seem to work here | 19:33 |
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| ebroder | Is it OK for package-a to depend on package-b, and package-b to depend on a >= version of package-a? | 19:48 |
| ebroder | I don't know whether apt will do the right thing with that or not | 19:48 |
| cyber_666_uk | hey - can anyone submit software to the repositories? | 19:48 |
| cyber_666_uk | how does that work, do you need to give out your source code? | 19:49 |
| slangasek | ebroder: it's generally inadvisable; the package manager has provisions for breaking dependency loops, but it's better to not have them in the first place (e.g., by putting everything in a single binary package instead of splitting it) | 19:55 |
| ebroder | Hmm...that might actually be an option. This used to be a one-way dependency pointer until the change I just made, so it was less of an issue :) | 19:56 |
| ebroder | It should be fine if apt wants to temporarily break the loop, though. Thanks | 19:57 |
| cyber_666_uk | is there a page you can point me to? | 19:57 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: looking ... | 20:07 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: looks okay by me | 20:12 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i had added the avahi-utils recommends locally here | 20:12 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: so i can fix that up on merge | 20:12 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: would you like me to merge, and push that to our working tree? | 20:12 |
| sgallagh | mathiaz: ping | 20:25 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: hi | 20:25 |
| sgallagh | mathiaz: I don't know if you caught the bug update, but I fixed that hang you were seeing in the proxy provider. | 20:26 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: right - I saw something going through | 20:26 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: do you plan to maintain a 0.5.X branch? | 20:27 |
| sgallagh | I figured you'd probably want to pull that and the D-BUS fix in and roll another package | 20:27 |
| sgallagh | mathiaz: Not at this time, mainly because we're targeting 0.6.0 for Sept. 24th | 20:27 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: understood | 20:28 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: thanks for letting me know | 20:28 |
| sgallagh | mathiaz: I wanted to ask something else | 20:28 |
| sgallagh | mathiaz: Does the Ubuntu development process have anything like concerted feature test days? | 20:28 |
| sgallagh | I'd like to try and get one scheduled for the SSSD if so | 20:28 |
| mathiaz | marjo: bdmurray: ^^? | 20:29 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: so yes - we're running TestingDays | 20:30 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ | 20:30 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/ | 20:30 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: hm - there hasn't be one run for a while now | 20:30 |
| sgallagh | mathiaz: Can you possibly look into scheduling one for us? | 20:31 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: we could organize such a day though | 20:31 |
| mathiaz | sgallagh: sure - I'll get in touch with the QA team | 20:32 |
| sgallagh | mathiaz: Great, thank you! | 20:33 |
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| sistpoty | hey, congrats bryce! | 20:53 |
| bryce | sistpoty, thanks | 20:53 |
| sistpoty | bryce: before you leave, any opinion on bug #424354? if testing confirms that my patch works, ok to upload it? | 20:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 424354 in xserver-xorg-video-cirrus "pitch too high for CL5446 at 1360x768" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424354 | 20:54 |
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| bryce | sistpoty, wow that's an oddball bug | 21:01 |
| bryce | sistpoty, but if that patch solves it, yeah I wouldn't have a problem seeing that go in for -cirrus. Looks properly conditionalized to only affect the specific chip | 21:01 |
| sistpoty | bryce: ok, thanks... I'll take care to forward it upstream as well then | 21:02 |
| bryce | sistpoty, so yes, if testing confirms it works, feel free to upload, but please be sure to check launchpad after a couple weeks in case there are any regression bugs reported | 21:02 |
| bryce | great | 21:02 |
| sistpoty | bryce: sure, iirc I'm still subscribed to -cirrus bugs (iirc there aren't many people with real cirrus cards out there *g*) | 21:03 |
| bryce | hehe | 21:03 |
| sistpoty | and the 4 mb versions seem to be extremely rare, still haven't managed to get one via ebay :( | 21:04 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: I think it's awaiting an FFE (there's a bug), but otherwise yes please | 21:16 |
| cjwatson | unless somebody wants to process that :) | 21:16 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i was just going to commit to the upstream project for now, and wait for soren to push a package upload | 21:19 |
| cjwatson | ok, if that's cool with upstream | 21:20 |
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| moldy | hi | 22:46 |
| moldy | can i safely delete/bzr ignore the .upload files dput creates, or is the information in them important for something? | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | you can safely delete them; the log file causes dput not to upload the same thing again should you run it again on the same .changes | 22:47 |
| moldy | cjwatson: ok, thank you | 22:48 |
| moldy | i just created my first ppa and tried to upload some packages | 22:54 |
| moldy | i got an error e-mail saying "Unable to find distroseries: unstable" | 22:54 |
| moldy | what's the right way to correct this? | 22:54 |
| cjwatson | don't put "unstable" in the top line of your changelog - use "karmic" or whatever | 22:55 |
| sistpoty | moldy: use one of ubuntu (karmic, jaunty, intrepid, ...) in debian/changelog | 22:55 |
| moldy | sistpoty: ah, ok, thank you | 22:56 |
| sistpoty | np | 22:56 |
| moldy | and you too, cjwatson :) | 22:56 |
| cjwatson | that should really be in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors | 22:56 |
| cjwatson | (it isn't) | 22:56 |
| cjwatson | maybe you could suggest that to them | 22:56 |
| sistpoty | imho a ppa should accept $whatever except releases | 22:58 |
| cjwatson | the top line of the changelog tells it which release to build for and against | 22:59 |
| cjwatson | so that could only work if you reinvented the wheel to tell it some other way | 22:59 |
| * sistpoty thought that was the distribution field in the changes file | 23:00 | |
| moldy | what's the right way to suggest that, cjwatson? | 23:00 |
| cjwatson | moldy: there's a link at the bottom of the page for giving feedback | 23:01 |
| cjwatson | sistpoty: which is generated from the top line of the changelog | 23:01 |
| moldy | cjwatson: ah, right | 23:02 |
| sistpoty | cjwatson: yep, but changing that wouldn't mean I'd hand out a ticket to upload a ppa package to ubuntu :) | 23:02 |
| sistpoty | would mean that I wouldn't even | 23:02 |
| cjwatson | oh, you mean that it should accept something that is not the same as Ubuntu release names | 23:02 |
| sistpoty | yes | 23:03 |
| cjwatson | I thought you meant it should accept *anything* | 23:03 |
| cjwatson | yes, I agree - there's a pretty old bug about the replay attack there | 23:03 |
| sistpoty | iirc it's fixed nowadays (I filed it after siretart discovered it)... but you never now ;) | 23:03 |
| sistpoty | know even | 23:03 |
| moldy | it might also be nice if dput would check this client-side | 23:03 |
| sistpoty | same is true for revu. the .changes file is there for the pleasure of revu admins but gets stripped for storage purposes (iirc) | 23:04 |
| sistpoty | moldy: partially agree... otoh I couldn't upload to unstable then (ok, agreed I can't right now myself, and even if I could, I should test the package really on unstable) | 23:06 |
| cjwatson | I can upload to unstable and occasionally do so from Ubuntu (after testing on unstable, of course) | 23:08 |
| cjwatson | usually due to forgetting which window I'm in but ... | 23:09 |
| moldy | ok, one should make it configureable if one did it | 23:10 |
| cjwatson | it doesn't really bother me, in order to actually break something in unstable you have to upload to the wrong place as well as having the wrong distribution target | 23:11 |
| cjwatson | so there's no real safety reason for a client-side check | 23:12 |
| * sistpoty wonders what would happen if he'd put multiple values in the Distribution field of a .changes file and would upload that | 23:19 | |
| Daviey | the intertubes would melt. | 23:20 |
| sistpoty | Daviey: let's see, I'm just testing revu with it :) | 23:22 |
| Daviey | *BOOM* :) | 23:22 |
| cjwatson | sistpoty: there's a bug about that ;-) | 23:24 |
| cjwatson | "it gets complicated" | 23:24 |
| sistpoty | heh | 23:24 |
| cjwatson | https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/235064 | 23:24 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 235064 in soyuz "Implement multi-release support for packages" [High,Triaged] | 23:24 |
| sistpoty | nice, thanks for the pointer cjwatson | 23:26 |
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