[00:30] <Flannel> blargh
[00:30] <Flannel> well, misspellings mean no highlights at least!
[05:14] <Flannel> !startup
[05:15] <Flannel> Ah fun, menu changes.  What version did that change in, does anyone know?
[08:48] <PancakeStaffer> bazhang: Watch out.
[08:48] <PancakeStaffer> manou just got ejected from ##linux for the same thread.
[08:49] <bazhang> PancakeStaffer, thanks :)
[08:49] <PancakeStaffer> Not to worry.
[08:53] <PancakeStaffer> bazhang: Yeah.  TOTALLY didn't see that coming. :-)
[08:53] <bazhang> PancakeStaffer, hehe
[08:54] <bazhang> nice nick btw
[08:54] <PancakeStaffer> Thankee.  Someone asked if I had a headset on my head, I said "No, just a pancake," and... yeah. :)
[08:54] <bazhang> haha
[08:55]  * s8n wants a pancake
[08:55]  * jussi01 wants bacon pancakes!
[08:55] <bazhang> mmm Bacon
[08:56] <s8n> i would just like a bit o sleep
[09:07] <jussi01> yay for long meetings...
[09:38] <jussi01> Due to the change in policy at the last IRCC meeting the IRCC are correcting the access lists here in #ubuntu-ops. Voiced users should be an operator of at least one of the channels listed at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IrcTeam/Scope or be freenode staff. If you are not an operator in one of these channels we kindly ask you to remove your voice and join #ubuntu-irc. Thanks.
[09:41] <jussi01> Amaranth: bazhang christel Dave2 Daviey Flannel Gary genii highvoltage ikonia jdong jpds maco Mamarok Martinp23 mneptok Myrtti nhandler niko njan Pici pleia2 robotgeek ryanakca s8n Seeker` SportChick stew Tm_T tomaw topyli tritium.  ^^^
[09:41] <bazhang> jussi01, noted thanks
[09:43] <highvoltage> jussi01: also noted
[09:44] <Gary> jussi01: I still have named ops in -offtopic don't I?
[09:45] <Gary> ahh, yes, so I do
[09:45] <jussi01> Gary: even so, read the message again...
[12:39] <aaron11> hi
[12:40] <jussi01> hi aaron11
[12:40] <aaron11> jussi01 are u an operator
[12:40] <jussi01> aaron11: yes - all the people with voice here are.
[12:41] <aaron11> oh u mean the gold balls
[12:41] <aaron11> next to their names
[12:42] <jussi01> Possibly, Im not familiar with your client. Is there something we can help you with?
[12:53] <Pici> aaron11: Was there something you needed to speak to the operators about? Please note that we ask idling users to part from the channel in order to keep track of people with pending issues.
[12:56] <elky> aaron11, are you here to discuss what the bot said?
[12:58] <aaron11> yes
[12:58] <elky> aaron11, what did you want to say to us about it?
[12:58] <aaron11> i wanted flood bot to talk
[12:58] <elky> why?
[12:59] <aaron11> because it makes him more HUMANITISH
[12:59] <aaron11> please dont get offended because of caps lock
[12:59] <elky> aaron11, the bot isn't there to be a person, it is to stop the channels getting spammed with nonsense.
[13:00] <aaron11> i wrote some thing to ubottu about the supper or home key
[13:01] <elky> aaron11, we saw that, thanks.
[13:01] <elky> if there's nothing else you need from us right now, we ask that you don't just hang around here, it gets crowded and makes it hard on others who want to talk to us without non-ops being an audience.
[13:03] <elky> aaron11, it'd be really nice of you if you could help us out by respecting that :)
[13:04] <Pici> aaron11: The thing you wrote to ubottu was incorrect though. The 'super' key is not the same thing as the home key.
[13:05] <aaron11> oh mmh wrong info i bet
[13:05] <aaron11> i=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryankca
[13:06] <aaron11> are you there
[13:07] <jussi01> o.Ô
[13:07] <Tm_T> you hu-man are silly
[13:08] <jussi01> hi seeker^
[13:08] <seeker^> Heya
[13:09] <elky> ok, home time.
[13:19] <seeker^> Am I still here?
[13:19] <Tm_T> you are
[13:20] <seeker^> Good :)
[13:22] <pleia2> ah, #ubuntu-women is not on that list
[13:22] <Tm_T> in which list?
[13:23] <pleia2> the list of channels the IrcTeam covers
[13:23] <Tm_T> aah, yeah
[13:23] <pleia2> so I have to leave
[13:23] <pleia2> which is unfortunate, since troll tracking via discussion here was quite useful for us
[13:24] <Tm_T> have?
[13:24] <ikonia> you have voice in here
[13:24] <ikonia> I thought that meant it was ok
[13:24] <pleia2> ikonia: jussi01 made an announcement here a few hours ago, saying it no longer is
[13:24] <seeker^> Why doesn't the irc team cover -women?
[13:24] <pleia2> I don't know, I thought they did :)
[13:25] <seeker^> Who owns -women?
[13:25] <pleia2> I do
[13:28] <seeker^> jussi01 seems to have disappeared for now
[13:28] <jussi01> pleia2: If you think it would be good for -women to be on the core channels list, please mail the Ubuntu IRC council, or even pop it on the agenda for sundays meeting.
[13:28] <pleia2> jussi01: ok, thanks, will do, until then do you need me to leave here?
[13:29] <jussi01> pleia2: 1 sec, phone
[13:37]  * gnomefreak thought pleia2 had voice in here
[13:37] <Tm_T> she does have
[13:38] <pleia2> gnomefreak: 04:38:55 <+jussi01> Due to the change in policy at the last IRCC meeting the IRCC are correcting the access lists here in #ubuntu-ops. Voiced users should be an operator of at least one of the channels listed at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IrcTeam/Scope or be freenode staff. If  you are not an operator in one of these channels we kindly ask you to remove your voice and join #ubuntu-irc. Thanks.
[13:38] <gnomefreak> ah yes i refresed the /n
[13:39] <gnomefreak> oh things changed
[13:39]  * pleia2 nods
[14:04]  * genii sips coffee and checks the ircteam scope list
[14:09] <Pricey> Yay a nice email from pleia2, I feel ever so slightly less useless.
[14:10]  * pleia2 hugs Pricey 
[14:11] <Pricey> pleia2: Give it 10 minutes and we'll remove you all from the access list and +im it.
[14:12] <pleia2> Pricey: hm?
[14:13] <jussi01> *g*
[14:13] <Pricey> pleia2: Haven't you heard? That's what we do.
[14:13] <pleia2> haha
[14:13] <pleia2> oh dear :)
[14:17] <ikonia> ???
[14:30] <Myrtti> Uh
[14:40]  * jussi01 carefully hugs Myrtti
[14:55]  * Tm_T hugggles Myrtti 
[14:55] <Tm_T> hope you getting better, little sister
[15:19] <gnomefreak> can someone point me to a page that descibes the changes in policy for ops?
[15:19]  * gnomefreak just getting confused
[15:20] <bazhang> gnomefreak, the being voiced in here part?
[15:20] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i think i saw that one.the scope page
[15:20] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Scope
[15:21] <bazhang> gnomefreak, not sure which one you are referring to then :)
[15:21] <gnomefreak> the one Pici just gave i saw already
[15:21] <gnomefreak> im mainly wanting to know the changes that everyone is talking about on mailing list
[15:21] <bazhang> oh that
[15:22] <gnomefreak> yeah that confused me eally bad
[15:22] <Pici> gnomefreak: Thats the page, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Scope?action=diff&rev2=7&rev1=5
[15:22] <gnomefreak> s/eally/really
[15:22] <gnomefreak> Pici: thanks looking
[15:22] <Pici> It was added to clarify who is in -ops and who gets voiced here.
[15:23] <gnomefreak> thats it?
[15:23] <bazhang> the mailing list is not related
[15:23] <Pici> pleia2's message is, the other stuff, not so much.
[15:24] <gnomefreak> the mailing list has nothing to do with policy/ i havent seen her post yet
[15:24] <gnomefreak> the mailing list more of a personal opinion?
[15:24]  * gnomefreak checks email 
[15:25] <Pici> gnomefreak: Which email exactly?
[15:25] <bazhang> yep
[15:25] <Pici> oh, sorry, pleia2's message was just to the ircc, forget I said anything ;)
[15:25]  * gnomefreak only saw one topic about ops
[15:25] <pleia2> gnomefreak: my email was to the council
[15:25] <gnomefreak> i dont get that list :)
[15:25] <Pici> gnomefreak: I know ;)
[15:25] <bazhang> hehe
[15:26]  * gnomefreak happy i dont. 
[15:26] <bazhang> !lucky
[15:26] <gnomefreak> ah 3 more on the topic
[15:29] <gnomefreak> sorry for being so behind but ljl is no longer an op
[15:29] <gnomefreak> ?
[15:29] <bazhang> yeah. who is M. Lustfield?
[15:29] <Pici> bazhang: mteck
[15:30] <bazhang> Pici, he is an operator?
[15:30] <gnomefreak> not sure
[15:30] <pleia2> he doesn't like me
[15:30] <gnomefreak> pleia2: im seeing that
[15:30] <Pici> bazhang: no. Hes a user. mtecknology, used to be active in -offtopic
[15:30] <elky> bazhang, no.
[15:30] <gnomefreak> but it seems you did everything right
[15:30] <bazhang> Pici, elky okay thanks
[15:30] <elky> pleia2, the amusing thing is the emails he's sent the irc list over the past month or so.
[15:30] <pleia2> gnomefreak: actually we had a long talk with elky in -irc and I thought it was settled, but I guess not
[15:31] <elky> pleia2, no, apparently i'm deaf and all my reactions were cooincidental.
[15:31] <pleia2> oh yes, seeing ML reply now
[15:31] <gnomefreak> who is matt darcy? he seems to think the channels are not publicly logged
[15:31] <bazhang> thought it was odd he was joining in that discussion
[15:31] <Pici> gnomefreak: ikonia
[15:31] <bazhang> ikonia, gnomefreak
[15:31] <gnomefreak> ah
[15:31] <ikonia> ?
[15:31] <gnomefreak> thanks
[15:31] <jdong> *reads scrollback*
[15:31] <bazhang> sorry ikonia
[15:31] <ikonia> ahh no problem
[15:32] <gnomefreak> ikonia: was asking who you were
[15:32] <ikonia> real names do confuse
[15:32] <jdong> ok folks, so long, was a pleasure hanging out here :)
[15:32] <ikonia> ?????
[15:32] <ikonia> jdong is in an op in #ubuntu isn't he ?
[15:32] <gnomefreak> ikonia: last i heard he was
[15:33] <bazhang> #ubuntuforums iirc
[15:33] <ikonia> I thought he was #ubuntu too
[15:33] <bazhang> dont think so
[15:33] <ikonia> nope he's not
[15:33] <ikonia> just checked, wow
[15:34] <gnomefreak> no i just checked
[15:34] <gnomefreak> alot of names i havent seen in a long time
[15:36]  * Pici wonders why genii's account name is genii-around
[15:36] <ikonia> he's around
[15:36] <bazhang> quassel account I thought
[15:37] <genii> Pici: Because I had different locations connecting from when i started, none of the names were registered... so the day I *did* register happened to be under my secondary
[15:39] <genii> (from my -around location)
[15:45] <genii> I actually only discovered that was the case when my account info was needed for -ops
[15:59] <elky> which is odd considering your cloak is unaffiliated/genii
[16:01] <genii> Yes
[16:17] <ikonia> hello mdgrech
[16:17] <mdgrech> Hello, kind of new to irc. I someone how ended up here while trying to access the main ubuntu room
[16:17] <ikonia> mdgrech: hang on for a moment while I look into it
[16:18] <bazhang> ubuntu-read-topic ikonia
[16:18] <ikonia> ahh
[16:18] <bazhang> whoops
[16:19] <gnomefreak> still a problem with the "attacks"  cant think of a better word atm
[16:19] <gnomefreak> ?
[16:20] <ikonia> mdgrech: hi, if check you'll find your also in a channel called "#ubuntu-read-topic" - if you check out the topic in there and the instructions from the bot you'll find out how to gain access to #ubuntu
[16:20] <ikonia> ahhhh  !!!!!!!
[16:20] <bazhang> hehe
[16:21] <gnomefreak> thought that exploit was taken care of
[16:22] <ikonia> doesn't think so
[16:23] <ikonia> don't think so
[16:23] <gnomefreak> well if he is being forwarded im gessing not but i havent seen anyone ever try it
[16:25] <nalioth> gnomefreak: the D C C exploit will never be taken care of
[16:25] <gnomefreak> nalioth: ah i was thinking it can be blocked on server
[16:26] <nalioth> gnomefreak: sure, and then we block everyone who says a dirty word
[16:26] <nalioth> and then everyone who doesn't use utf-8
[16:26] <gnomefreak> good point
[16:27] <nalioth> gnomefreak: do you realize the overhead it would take to do a word-by-word monitoring?
[16:27] <nalioth> and it's not an "IRC issue"
[16:27] <gnomefreak> nalioth: yeah after i thought about it, after i said it
[16:28] <nalioth> it's a hardware issue (some of the manufacturers think it's a "protective" mechanism - not an'exploit')
[16:28] <nalioth> which is why everyone has updated their firmware but some have not seen any difference
[16:29] <gnomefreak> oh
[16:30] <nalioth> best option = connect via a non-standard port
[16:31] <gnomefreak> that would explain why i was never affected
[16:33] <gnomefreak> i thought i was on port 8000 but im on 8001
[16:44] <nalioth> you can use 8000, 8001 or 8002 here
[20:32] <Tm_T> hi highvoltage
[20:33] <highvoltage> hi Tm_T
[20:52] <jussi01> !test
[20:57] <highvoltage> it's just quiet :)
[21:00]  * jussi01 is curious to see know who highvoltage is, Havent seen you active in here before.
[21:03] <Pricey> jussi01: kubuntu op iirc
[21:04] <Pricey> op somewhere...
[21:20] <highvoltage> jussi01: I don't hang in here that much
[21:20] <highvoltage> s/hang/hang out/
[21:21] <jussi01> highvoltage: where are you an op, just out of curiousity? /me is just interested to know the people in here a little better..
[21:24] <highvoltage> jussi01: #edubuntu
[21:25] <ikonia> window 35
[21:25] <ikonia> oops
[21:26] <Mez> lol
[21:26] <jussi01> highvoltage: ahh, ok, Ive not much to do with that channel. well welcome in here and Im sorry for being so "interrogating"
[21:27] <Seeker`> jussi01 is (mostly) harmless really
[21:27] <highvoltage> jussi01: no problem at all. I mainly rejoined here after reading the latest messages on the list
[21:28] <Mez> highvoltage: ah, sorry, didn't mean to have you add another window to your list :D
[21:29] <genii> jussi01: ubottu needs a kickstart
[21:29] <jussi01> genii: Ahh, I missed that, 1 sec
[21:31] <Pricey> Mez: Can we help?
[21:32] <Mez> Pricey: I'm just idling.
[21:32] <Mez> and reading chatter.
[21:33] <Pricey> The channel is publically logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com Mez :)
[21:34] <Mez> Pricey: I am aware of that.
[21:34] <Seeker`> I think Pricey is trying to be subtle and no just do the "!idle! factoid
[21:34] <Seeker`> *not
[21:35] <guntbert> are you aware that ubottu is unresponsive?
[21:35] <jussi01> guntbert: Hi, what can we help with today?
[21:35] <Seeker`> I believe it is being kickstarted now
[21:35] <jussi01> guntbert: please give her time to sync
[21:35] <guntbert> ^^^
[21:35] <guntbert> ok bye
[21:37] <highvoltage> Mez: heh, I'm sure it won't kill my irssi session :)
[21:38] <Seeker`> irssi \o/
[21:38] <Mez> Seeker` / Pricey: Feel free to /remove me if you feel it neccessary.  I'm causing no harm here, and I may still be able to provide both input regarding previous bans I may have placed, and alerts to ops as neccessary
[21:38] <highvoltage> \o/
[21:39] <Mez> also, I am still an op in 2 ubuntu channels.  Coordination may or may not be neccessary.
[21:39] <Seeker`> I don't have the ability to remove you; I was simply trying to make a suggestion of what I think Pricey was trying to get at
[21:40] <Pricey> Mez: I don't want to remove you.
[21:40] <Mez> Seeker`: It was a reply to your comment, and useful to Pricey
[21:41] <Mez> hence the direction
[21:41] <Mez> Pricey: good to hear.
[21:42]  * Daviey wonders how big a knife would be required to cut the current atmosphere.
[21:42] <mneptok> Mez: if you are no longer on the ops team, IMO it behooves you as an Ubuntu member to adhere to the rules established by the IRC Council. being as active as you are, if your input is needed everyone knows where to find you.
[21:42] <Seeker`> Daviey: Thats not a knife! Thats a spoon!
[21:43] <Mez> mneptok: or I'll happily leave if directed. " we ask you to part when you have no further business here" ... I potentially do have business :P
[21:43] <Mez> Seeker`: there is no spoon
[21:44] <mneptok> Mez: i potentially have issues that might require police services. that doesn;t mean i can dial 911 and ask to be placed on hold.
[21:44] <highvoltage> if Mez is still ops in two channels, shouldn't he have +v as well?
[21:44] <Daviey> mneptok: As Me rightly points out, he is "Step[ing] down considerately", by being avaliable to "provide both input regarding previous bans I may have placed"
[21:44] <mneptok> Daviey: and as i said, being active, people know where to find Mez.
[21:44] <jussi01> highvoltage: as I mentioned earlier today: Due to the change in policy at the last IRCC meeting the IRCC are correcting the access lists here in #ubuntu-ops. Voiced users should be an operator of at least one of the channels listed at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IrcTeam/Scope or be freenode staff. If  you are not an operator in one of these channels we kindly ask you to remove your voice and join #ubuntu-irc. Thanks.
[21:45] <Mez> highvoltage: they're not "Ops Team" jurisdiction, per se
[21:45] <Mez> scope, thats what I meant
[21:45] <highvoltage> Mez: ah, ok.
[21:49] <Daviey> mneptok: May i ask, where you suggesting Mez /part to enforce the !idle rule, or an effort to keep the situation calm?
[21:50] <mneptok> Daviey: a little of Column A, a little of Column B
[21:50] <Daviey> heh