[00:35] <MTec007> is there a command to wake up the screen?
[00:44] <marybuntu> http://imagebin.org/62401 guys i'm a little afraid of restarting cause i got this error on update saying i had corrupted package archive linux headers can anyone counsel please
[00:47] <TheSheep> headers are needed for compiling things and such
[00:47] <TheSheep> say, did you ran out of disk space?
[00:48] <TheSheep> did you run*
[00:48] <marybuntu> um, what do you mean run*?
[00:50] <marybuntu> TheSheep, disk usage says i have 5.5 gb available
[00:51] <TheSheep> you only have one partition?
[00:51] <TheSheep> what does 'df -h' say?
[00:56] <marybuntu> TheSheep: sorry, had to let the dog out.
[00:57] <marybuntu> ok, so you want me to open term and type df -h  ?
[01:02] <marybuntu> TheSheep, http://pastebin.org/14791
[01:08] <marybuntu> you still with me? :)
[01:11] <marybuntu> mamas hollering at me to take the garbage out , she doesn't understand the potential gravity of the situation
[01:15] <marybuntu> ok, i back; it raind so hard here can't get the garbage can out to the road, the swail is as deep as a moat
[01:16] <marybuntu> TheSheep, can you help, i don't know if whole system will damage if i restart ... http://pastebin.org/14791
[01:22] <marybuntu> http://imagebin.org/62401 guys i'm a little afraid of restarting cause i got this error on update saying i had corrupted package archive linux headers can anyone counsel please
[01:22] <marybuntu> http://pastebin.org/14791
[01:25] <marybuntu> why would i get a corrupted file through the update manager anyways?  just error in transmission?  should i try to rerun the update mgr?
[01:29] <MTec007> is there a command to wake up the screen?
[01:30] <genii> If you interrupt an update in mid-download of a file it will still have /var/cache/apt/archives/filename.deb      but it will be corrupt
[01:30] <marybuntu> nope, reloaded update mgr, and reran, still have same error msg http://imagebin.org/62401
[01:31] <genii> marybuntu: For the reason I just described, rm whatever .deb file it's complaining about from the apt archives
[01:31] <marybuntu> genii, i never interrupted it
[01:31] <marybuntu> howto?
[01:33] <genii> marybuntu: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-2.6.28*deb             then try the update again
[01:37] <marybuntu> k, lemme try, thx
[01:42] <marybuntu> genii, this is moms computer; could operations i was doing on my laptop in the other room on the same network have 'interrupted' the update?
[01:42] <genii> Quite possibly. All it takes if for the file not to have d/l right to make it this way
[01:43] <marybuntu> so i should in the future keep other boxes quiet during updates?
[01:44] <marybuntu> ya, ok, the update seems to have completed successfully now, no error messages ... thanks
[01:45] <marybuntu> live and learn
[01:45] <marybuntu> k, thanks guys gonna shut this old box down
[02:01] <MTec007> Does any body know if there is there a command to wake up the screen?
[02:05] <genii> MTec007: setterm -reset        ?
[02:06] <genii> (according to setterm manpage)
[02:13] <MTec007> ill try it next chance i get, thanks
[05:38] <dca> hi
[05:38] <unitheory> human life!
[05:38] <dca> I am not able to mount my fixeddrives
[05:38] <unitheory> error?
[05:38] <dca> how can i mount that in Xubuntu
[05:38] <dca> no.. not even getting any option
[05:39] <dca> whats the command
[05:39] <dca> if i use gnome i will get it mounted to /media/disk
[05:39] <dca> automatically
[05:40] <dca> but if i login to XFCE session then..cannot see disk folder in .media
[05:42] <unitheory> if you open up thunar, the file manager, does it display your disk on the left panel?
[05:43] <dca> no
[05:43] <dca> its not displaying!!
[05:44] <dca> :(
[05:44] <unitheory> well you can probably mount it manually
[05:45] <dca> how...
[05:45] <unitheory> sudo fdisk -l
[05:46] <dca> i am new to linux
[05:46] <unitheory> ok well it takes 3 commands.  one to figure out the name of your drive, one to make a mount point, and one to mount your drive to the mount point
[05:47] <dca> i figured out this command
[05:47] <dca> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /media/disk -o defaults,force,umask=0
[05:48] <dca> but its showing error folder disk not existing
[05:48] <dca> do i have to create the folder disk evrytime
[05:48] <unitheory> no, once is enough
[05:48] <unitheory> sudo mkdir /media/disk
[05:49] <dca> but i i would have to execute this command each and everytime i restart..?
[05:49] <dca> is it like that?
[05:49] <unitheory> no, you can add it to your fstab
[05:49] <dca> the above command?
[05:49] <unitheory> no
[05:50] <dca> please help.. :(
[05:50] <dca> i donno much
[05:50] <dca> i meant this command sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /media/disk -o defaults,force,umask=0
[05:51] <unitheory> i know
[05:51] <dca> :)
[05:51] <unitheory> are you sure /dev/sda2 is the name of the drive you want to mount?
[05:51] <dca> there are two drives.. this is my c drive
[05:51] <dca> one more is there
[05:52] <unitheory> ok, first open fstab:
[05:52] <unitheory> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:52] <unitheory> if you have gedit of course. it sounds like you installed xubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu install.
[05:52] <dca> done
[05:52] <dca> opened
[05:52] <unitheory> at the bottom add a line that looks like this:
[05:53] <dca> k
[05:53] <unitheory> /dev/sda2  /media/disk ntfs relatime,errors=remount-ro 0  1
[05:54] <dca> for sda3 also same command?
[05:55] <dca> different folder
[05:55] <dca> i guess :)
[05:55] <unitheory> for whicever drive(s) you are having trouble mounting
[05:55] <unitheory> whichever
[05:56] <unitheory> a clean xubuntu install shouldn't have any trouble auto-mounting drives.  when you install xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu, it doesn't work as well
[05:57] <unitheory> don't delete anything that was already in that file
[05:58] <dca> okay
[05:58] <dca> done
[05:58] <dca> how to unmount the drives
[05:58] <unitheory> you need different mount points for each drive
[05:58] <dca> i created two folders disk and disk-1
[05:59] <dca> in /media
[05:59] <unitheory> in thunar, you can right-click on the drive and choose unmount.
[05:59] <unitheory> dca good job ;]
[05:59] <dca> hey!!!
[06:00] <unitheory> if for some reason you like using the command line you can sudo umount /media/disk
[06:00] <unitheory> (that's umount, not unmount)
[06:00] <dca> k.. in thunar i cnat see the drive options to choose unmount
[06:01] <dca> cant
[06:01] <dca> i will use the command
[06:01] <unitheory> of the left it should display the drives you mounted, yes?
[06:02] <dca> no..
[06:02] <dca> :)
[06:02] <unitheory> but they're mounted?
[06:02] <dca> no....i will restart
[06:02] <dca> and see
[06:02] <unitheory> didnt you manually mount them?
[06:03] <dca> i had mounted them manually to different points
[06:03] <dca> but cannot see that in thunar
[06:06] <dca> let me restart and check..
[06:06] <dca> will get back to u
[06:06] <unitheory> k
[06:06] <dca> THANKS A TON
[06:06] <unitheory> no problem
[06:06] <dca> Have a nice time... :-D
[06:06] <dca> i am just learning!!
[06:07] <unitheory> well mounting drives by hand is pretty advanced
[06:11] <dca> hi..unitheory
[06:11] <dca> it worked
[06:11] <dca> thanks
[06:11] <unitheory> great!
[06:11] <dca> but one small trouble.. i cant see the mounted drive on the side pane of thunar
[06:12] <dca> how can i add it there?
[06:12] <unitheory> are they in /media/ ?
[06:12] <dca> yes
[06:12] <unitheory> ok, so in media just drag disk and disk-1 to the left panel ;]
[06:13] <unitheory> that ought to bookmark them
[06:13] <dca> ooops!!!! that simple.. fool i am .. Thanks friend for ur help..
[06:14] <unitheory> you're very welcome!
[06:14] <dca> Xubuntu is simple and fast!!!
[06:14] <unitheory> i assure you that a clean xubuntu install has fewer problems
[06:15] <dca> hmm.. earlier i was using Ubuntu and yesterday only installed XFCE
[06:16] <unitheory> yeah what you have now is an ubuntu/xubuntu mix
[06:16] <unitheory> so it has some identity problems sometimes ;]
[06:16] <dca> yes..
[06:17] <dca> oho.. i havent come across any issues so far..
[06:17] <dca> but any tips.. i would like to cintinue with Xubuntu..
[06:17] <dca> i had some some windows lag in Gnome.. but here its fast..
[06:18] <dca> no lags
[06:18] <unitheory> i run xubuntu on my tablet pc
[06:19] <dca> cool .. whats tablet pc?
[06:20] <unitheory> it has a stylus/pen to control the mouse
[06:20] <dca> ya, got it.. wikipedia  :d
[06:20] <dca> anyways, thanks friend... !
[06:21] <unitheory> welcome!
[06:21] <dca> will trouble you if i face further issues ...hehe ... :-D
[06:21] <unitheory> i'm off to bed
[06:21] <unitheory> 1 in the morning here
[06:27] <miguelonnnnn> hi ! 8 here, beat this ! :P xd
[07:09] <PiousMinion> Hi, I got a fresh copy of xubuntu 9.04, and did a slow burn on some good optical media. The live environment seems to work fine except for the fact that d-clicking install logs me out and then back in.... and nothing more.
[07:09] <PiousMinion> Ideas anyone?
[07:11] <PiousMinion> I'm honestly just about fed up with uBUGtu and all its variants, but I thought I'd give the latest xubuntu a try on my mothers PC.  I just don't have any of these problems with debian, archlinux, gentoo, etc, but those aren't your parents/grandparents distros.  :/
[07:13] <Sysi> what's with debian?
[07:14] <Sysi> just make everything redy for them
[07:15] <PiousMinion> That may be what I divert to.  I was just hoping someone had some insight on why this isn't working.
[07:17] <Sysi> how much ram?
[07:17] <PiousMinion> 512
[07:18] <PiousMinion> Also, starting the install directly from the boot menu starts the installer until I select to manually partition.  At which point it dies, then logs back in and leaves me at the live desktop.
[07:34] <PiousMinion> ok, screw it.  If I wanted a shitty unstable product I would have installed Vista.  At least it would have installed. heh
[07:56] <thejayjetson> haven't gotten anywhere with linux-can't do simple things like auto pair my bluetooth mouse-full screen the os-work on resolution-watch a youtube video-can anyone help with any of these?
[08:10] <thejayjetson> anyone actually availible?
[09:00] <premorphos> i have used linux/xubuntu for 8mounts now my system is gr8. iv lerned so much and now im back in this channel to help outers.
[09:02] <premorphos> i want to thank all of you who patiently helped and answerd my "noob" questions.
[09:02] <Eric_K> :)
[09:03] <Eric_K> #xubuntu-offtopic feels quite deserted tho
[09:03] <Sysi> there are offtopic for this too?
[09:03] <Eric_K> ye
[09:08] <Eric_K> this is the blog from where i got the xubuntu-offtopic chan info http://open.knome.fi/2009/09/03/fill-in-the-ubuntu-irc-channels/
[09:09] <premorphos> cool il check it out.
[09:16] <premorphos> one advice irssi is by far a superior irc client, and it fits so nicely in xubuntu,
[09:17] <Sysi> irssi is horrible
[09:17] <Sysi> xchat <3
[09:17] <Sysi> ewething ready
[09:17] <Sysi> *everything
[09:23] <psycho_oreos> problem with xchat is that you can't run it in CLI or through ssh sessions
[09:24] <Sysi> graphical ssh :)
[09:24] <psycho_oreos> in other words, if you updated video driver or something but xorg no longer fires up properly and you want to seek help on the irc, you're out of luck if you're forced to use xchat :P
[09:25] <Sysi> but yeah, irssi is only to shell
[09:25] <Sysi> dunno about weechat etc but irssi is most common
[09:25] <psycho_oreos> and then there's people who prefer lean-mean programs.. programs that run in CLI rather than GUI
[09:26] <psycho_oreos> I'll admit that irssi isn't great but fwiw, its very portable
[09:27] <psycho_oreos> more user friendly than the likes of bx imo
[09:27] <Sysi> irssi is good if you want to configure it yourself
[09:27] <psycho_oreos> I beg to differ, irssi is available in the repository
[09:36] <_Pete_> irssi successfully compiled & run on N900 \o/
[09:37] <Sysi> xchat is on repositories already <3
[09:37] <Sysi> but i use ssh
[09:52] <premorphos> its funny my laptop is the crapiest laptop ever. a sensor is broken so it limits the prossesor badly. so i run xubuntu and go for lightweght apps,, such as irssi. and it runs butifuly
[09:54] <premorphos> i made it my sparetime project making a computer with capacity as a pocketcalculator to run linux and work properly
[09:55] <premorphos> and now it does.. im done with it, gone get rid of it, but xubuntu made it possible
[10:07] <SiDi> pocketcalculator ? :p
[10:07] <SiDi> ouch
[10:09] <Sysi> i have n810, repos include TI emulator but i haven't tried it yet
[11:24] <jarnos> Why was keyboard shortcut for Xfce menu removed in Jaunty? Can't see it in Karmic either.
[12:06] <SiDi> jarnos: i didnt even notice there was such a shortcut :)
[12:06] <SiDi> it might have been forgotten due to the keyboard shortcut backend changes in jaunty, you might wanna file a bug
[12:07] <SiDi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/+filebug <- jarnos
[12:27] <SuperUser|David> hi. does anybody know his way with compiz?
[12:28] <SuperUser|David> i have a problem...
[12:29] <SuperUser|David> hello?
[12:30] <SuperUser|David> can anyone help me?
[12:32] <Sysi> i tried it
[12:33] <Sysi> didn't get it work with xfwm, emerald worked
[12:35] <jarnos> SiDi: ok
[12:36] <SuperUser|David> i have emerald and compiz installed, but somehow the compiz settings manager doesn't save any changes
[12:36] <SiDi> SuperUser|David: hello
[12:37] <SiDi> You should directly ask your question when you need some help
[12:37] <SiDi> This allows people to answer when they have a look at the channel
[12:37] <SiDi> What do you mean by doesn't save any changes ?
[12:37] <SiDi> Do you mean that compiz does work but it doesnt care about the settings changes or do you mean that after reboot, compiz doesnt run anymore ?
[12:38] <SuperUser|David> compiz runs perfectly fine, but the changes i make in ccsm are not saved. i cant change anything.
[12:39] <SiDi> You should have a .compiz folder, or a .config/compiz folder
[12:39] <SuperUser|David> where do i
[12:39] <SiDi> can you please check that you own this folder ?
[12:39] <SuperUser|David>  look?
[12:39] <SiDi> You can do that by typing "ls -l .compiz" in a terminal
[12:39] <SuperUser|David> ok, wait
[12:39] <SiDi> or "ls -l .config/compiz" (i forgot which one it is :p)
[12:40] <SiDi> (Did you ever run compiz with sudo ?)
[12:40] <SuperUser|David> drwx------ 2 d4r3c1 d4r3c1 4096 2009-09-04 13:19 session
[12:40] <SuperUser|David> i ran compiz with sudo, no change
[12:41] <SuperUser|David> .config/compiz does not exist
[12:42] <SiDi> SuperUser|David: i actually didnt want you to run it with sudo :)
[12:42] <SuperUser|David> well, i tried, no change. ^^
[12:43] <SiDi> i asked because it is a thing that you should never do (otherwise your config files would be stolen by the root account and you couldnt modify them anymore, which is the cause #1 of your problem :P)
[12:43] <SuperUser|David> ok
[12:43] <SiDi> What compiz packages did you install exactly ? And what xubuntu version do you use ?
[12:44] <SuperUser|David> xubuntu 9.04. and i followed this: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[12:45] <SiDi> SuperUser|David: i'll follow the same and try to reproduce the problem then
[12:45] <SuperUser|David> says there to install this: compiz-core compiz-plugins compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra emerald compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:45] <SuperUser|David> done it with the terminal
[12:46] <SuperUser|David> compiz works, i get a nice glassy window and some effects of compiz work. they must be the standard ones.
[12:46] <SuperUser|David> and i need to change them
[12:46] <SuperUser|David> i cant even import a proile
[12:46] <SuperUser|David> profile
[12:47] <SuperUser|David> SiDi: I have to go for now, but I'll be back in about an hour.
[12:47] <SiDi> While im installing all of that, may you please jump in #compiz and ask them ?
[12:47] <SiDi> okey, no worries
[12:47] <SiDi> jump in #compiz too when you're back
[12:47] <SuperUser|David> ok, thanks
[12:48] <SuperUser|David> see you later
[15:04] <DDT> Hi. I am new user xubuntu. I just installed it. Now I am doing update of system - but it is so slow. Only about 1000 bytes / second. Is it usual? Thx
[15:05] <TheSheep> it depends on yur internet connection, you can improve it by sing a mirror that is near you, instead of the global one
[15:05] <SiDi_> DDT: hello
[15:05] <DDT> my connection is faster
[15:05] <DDT> hi SiDi_
[15:06] <SiDi_> Can you please use an internet speed test from a website in your country to check your connection's speed ?
[15:06] <DDT> it was working fast - maybe first MB, then it slows down.
[15:06] <SiDi_> In which country do you live ?
[15:06] <DDT> slovakia.
[15:06] <SiDi_> Alright
[15:06] <DDT> is speed test inside the xubuntu?
[15:07] <SiDi_> may you please click on Applications -> System -> Sources of software ?
[15:07] <DDT> ok
[15:07] <SiDi_> You'll be asked your password, type it, and then a window will open
[15:07] <DDT> I am in.
[15:08] <SiDi_> On this window, you can choose which server to use for the updates
[15:08] <DDT> it is written "server for Slovakia"
[15:08] <DDT> I will try other.
[15:08] <SiDi_> Click on it, a list will open, click on other
[15:08] <SiDi_> there are 3 servers in your country
[15:08] <SiDi_> Maybe one of them will be more responsive :)
[15:09] <DDT> yes - but I let it find best server for me.
[15:09] <DDT> it is in progress now
[15:09] <SiDi_> Okey
[15:09] <DDT> But when I change server - it will applied immediatelly?
[15:09] <DDT> *apply
[15:10] <DDT> or I must stop update in progress
[15:10] <SiDi_> It will apply next time, I think
[15:11] <DDT> what will happen if I cancel update now?
[15:11] <DDT> Can I update it next time? No harm to system?
[15:11] <SiDi_> Well, if you cancel the download, it'll try to install the packages already downloaded, and then itll ask you later to download the other ones
[15:11] <SiDi_> (i think :p)
[15:11] <SiDi_> you can use http://www.detronics.sk/bandwidth/meter.php to check your network speed
[15:12] <DDT> lol but I am on other PC now :D it is on the other table :D
[15:12] <SiDi_> well, just type 'adsl speed test' in google.sk ;)
[15:12] <SiDi_> just make sure to test on a site from your country, it will be more accurate
[15:13] <SiDi_> (Why don't you use the xubuntu PC for IRC ? :p)
[15:13] <jiohdi> this morning I booted up to find no side/bottom panels, no network connection, but everything else working, help
[15:13] <DDT> I have it
[15:13] <DDT> speed was about 800 Kbit - but I was in the same time downloading - so it will be more speedy.
[15:13] <SiDi_> jiohdi: any update before ?
[15:14] <jiohdi> I rebooted to gnome still no network.... but gnome failsafe had network
[15:14] <jiohdi> sidi, not recently
[15:14] <DDT> SiDi_ as I said, I just installed Xubuntu. I dont know where is what - just learning now.
[15:15] <SiDi_> jiohdi: do you mean network applet ?
[15:15] <SiDi_> DDT: applications -> internet -> Xchat for IRC ;)
[15:15] <jiohdi> the network icon says disabled
[15:15] <DDT> Now I am on windows machine :)
[15:15] <jiohdi> when I open it, I dont find any way to enable
[15:15] <SiDi_> Or Applications -> internet -> pidgin (pidgin is for MSN/AIM/IRC/Jabber, etc)
[15:15] <DDT> thx SiDi_
[15:16] <SiDi_> jiohdi: does 'ps aux | grep -i network' return anything ?
[15:16] <jiohdi> or Konversation, which I like for IRC
[15:17] <jiohdi> I cannot check for a bit, in another room at work
[15:17] <DDT> jiohdi - first check if cable is connected. Look if lan card is working - it should be some green or red light.
[15:17] <DDT> jiohdi - at the back of computer of course.
[15:18] <DDT> ok, I must go.
[15:18] <DDT> thx for help SiDi_
[15:18] <DDT> bye :)
[15:21] <jiohdi> gnomefail safe had internet just fine
[15:21] <jiohdi> so that is not the problem
[15:21] <jiohdi> unless gnomes work by magic :)
[15:26] <jiohdi> no idea?
[15:32] <SiDi_> Not really :/
[15:32] <SiDi_> i use neither gnome nor network-manager
[15:32] <SiDi_> but i'd say something broke somewhere, if you have nm and xfce4-panel doing weird things at the same time
[15:38] <jiohdi> Brb, I will reboot and try a few things
[15:56] <jiohdi> the easiest way to fix seems to be just to make a new account
[16:03] <jiohdi> anyone still here?
[16:51] <karlzt> ==
[16:55] <jiohdi> is there a file that contains all the settings for panels like the icons on them etc?
[16:56] <jiohdi> I want to copy settings from one acct to another
[16:56] <jiohdi> is that possible?
[16:56] <SiDi> jiohdi: its possible
[16:56] <jiohdi> and...
[16:56] <SiDi> check the <yourhome>/.config/xfce4 folder
[16:57] <SiDi> there is the xfconf/ folder containing most of your XFCE settings, and there also is a folder for the panels' configuration and enabled plugins
[17:15] <Besogon> Hello. I did something with xfce4-panel in xfce4-terminal. And now xfce4-terminal starts up when I turn on xfce session. What's happend?
[17:18] <Besogon> Do no one know?
[17:25] <TheSheep> Besogon: you probably saved the teminal with session on logout
[17:25] <TheSheep> Besogon: remove the files in ~/.cache/session to clean that
[17:27] <Besogon> TheSheep, thanks
[17:29] <Besogon> TheSheep, I had thought about it but I didn't know how I can clean termnal story.
[18:40] <randomnick> hey there everyone
[18:40] <randomnick> I was linjked to this channel from here
[18:40] <randomnick> http://open.knome.fi/?p=103
[18:41] <randomnick> I think taht you guys should not just ASK for more help
[18:41] <randomnick> make a good product and people will flock to it
[18:41] <randomnick> ilke #ubuntu
[18:41] <randomnick> #ubuntu is the most popular channel on one of the most popualar networks
[18:43] <randomnick> this channel is unpopular because this distribution is unpopular
[18:44] <Sysi> ubuntu and xubuntu are same, xfce vs. gnnome is only difference
[18:44] <randomnick> no
[18:44] <randomnick> not true
[18:44] <randomnick> if they are all the same
[18:44] <Sysi> it is
[18:44] <randomnick> dude
[18:44] <randomnick> I've been running ubuntu since freshman year in high school
[18:44] <randomnick> I understand what you mean
[18:44] <Sysi> i think it's stupid to impress they different
[18:44] <randomnick> technically
[18:44] <randomnick> they shaer the same repos
[18:44] <randomnick> yes
[18:44] <randomnick> but that's not true
[18:45] <Sysi> anu other distro don'tdo that
[18:45] <randomnick> the ARE different products
[18:45] <randomnick> same distribution
[18:45] <randomnick> different branding, identity, purpose
[18:45] <randomnick> etc.
[18:45] <Sysi> but you can for exaple make ubuntu to xubuntu very easilu
[18:45] <Sysi> and same time it's still ubuntu :)
[18:45] <Sysi> it can be kubuntu too
[18:46] <randomnick> BUT
[18:46] <randomnick> kubuntu has kde going for it
[18:46] <randomnick> ubuntu has being the most tightly integrated and kick ass well developed smooth distro going for it
[18:46] <randomnick> and xubuntu
[18:46] <randomnick> xubuntu is just a shittier versino of ubuntu
[18:46] <randomnick> seriously
[18:46] <Sysi> i prefer xubu
[18:46] <randomnick> xubuntu needs vision
[18:46] <randomnick> it needs to be slimmed down
[18:46] <randomnick> faster
[18:47] <randomnick> crunchbang #! is popular
[18:47] <Sysi> i like xfce more that gnome
[18:47] <randomnick> because it's filling in the spots that xubuntu claims to offer
[18:47] <Sysi> fastness is not issue
[18:47] <randomnick> it runs on older hardware
[18:47] <randomnick> xfce runs like shit on older hardware
[18:47] <randomnick> Sysi: fastness is an issue
[18:47] <randomnick> go read digg!
[18:47] <randomnick> or slashdot!
[18:47] <Sysi> not for me
[18:47] <randomnick> search for xubu
[18:47] <randomnick> Sysi: read the popular opinion!
[18:47] <randomnick> xubuntu is unpopular
[18:47] <randomnick> it's slow
[18:47] <randomnick> it's shitty!
[18:48] <randomnick> xfce isn't a good enough reason
[18:48] <Sysi> xubuntu is ubuntu eith xfce
[18:48] <randomnick> people come to xubuntu because it's a faster lighter version of ubuntu
[18:48] <Sysi> *with
[18:48] <randomnick> even though it's just as slow and bloated
[18:48] <Sysi> it is
[18:48] <Sysi> a bit
[18:48] <Sysi> gnome don't work with 256 ram
[18:48] <Sysi> xfce does
[18:50] <Sysi> i still think marketing xubu and ubu and kubu as different is stupid, any other distro don't do it
[19:04] <sybariten> hey
[19:04] <sybariten> anyone know the first step to getting a decent sources.list ?
[19:05] <sybariten> running a live distro
[19:05] <jarnos> Sysi: they have different set of default applications
[19:05] <sybariten> apt keeps complaining
[19:05] <sybariten> cant install pretty much anything
[19:05] <sybariten> do i need to know if im on gutsy, etc ?
[19:06] <sybariten> feisty gutsy hardy etc
[19:07] <SuperUser|David> hello, SiDi, are you there?
[20:27] <nicklas_> are there any swedish xubuntu channel?
[20:31] <SiDi> nicklas_: there is a swedish ubuntu channel
[20:32] <nicklas_> SiDi: i know :-)
[20:32] <SiDi> that can also be used for xubuntu :) not even the biggest locos have a xubuntu local channel :/
[20:33] <_Pete_> local shop for local people :)
[20:58] <SuperUser|David> how do i auto-identify?
[21:10] <SiDi> SuperUser|David: hey
[21:10] <SiDi> So what was the solution ?
[21:11] <SiDi> (Applications -> System -> Login window should be the place where you can enable auto-login)
[21:14] <SuperUser|David> SiDi, hey, with auto login i meant on irc
[21:14] <SuperUser|David> SiDi, and the other problem was with xfce you need simple-cssm
[21:23] <plazmacrow> is there any way to force the use of a specific mode line while using kernel mode settings?
[21:24] <SiDi> SuperUser|David: so my theory was probably right ? What i find suspicious is that ccsm doesnt depend on gconf, so it should use files for settings & not gconf
[21:26] <SuperUser|David> SiDi, one other problem was that i had previously started ccsm with a sudo
[21:28] <SuperUser|David> SiDi, that is supposed to be bad, i was told.
[21:29] <SuperUser|David> SiDi, and with simple-ccsm you can start a new profile, with which you can then configure the other ccsm
[21:38] <SiDi> SuperUser|David: i see
[21:38] <SiDi> if you start it with sudo, it will execute it with your own home folder and settings, but as the root account
[21:39] <SiDi> so if you run an app with sudo, especially on first time, the risk is that the settings files are created with the root account
[21:39] <SiDi> and thus, belong to root instead of you
[21:39] <SiDi> and if a file belongs to someone else than you you're very likely to not be able to write changes to it :)
[21:40] <SuperUser|David> yep, know that now.
[21:40] <SuperUser|David> well, that was my first problem.
[21:40] <SuperUser|David> but before i used sudo, the problem was already there.
[21:41] <SuperUser|David> so in order to not have the problem at all you simply need to install simple-ccsm and then set the profile to "advanced"
[21:41] <SiDi> there must have been something wrong with your .compiz folder from the install :/
[21:42] <SuperUser|David> they even said i didnt have compiz running in the first place. but i was sure i did, cause i had some of the effects
[21:42] <SuperUser|David> well, it's been solved now
[21:46] <SuperUser|David> ok, i'm off now, speak soon
[22:56] <sybariten> lol@SiDi
[22:56] <sybariten> @2137
[23:04] <genii> xenoterracide__: sudo ifconfig <eth0/whatever> up
[23:04] <genii> Wrong channel, sorry
[23:41] <sybariten> ive installed xubuntu for eee on a USB stick, but i think its too old (gutsy) to be in the repositories.... somehow.
[23:42] <sybariten> Anyone know if theres a newver live ubuntu/xubuntu that works with eee?
[23:53] <durt> sybariten, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR