| a|wen | shtylman: arora will not be the default browser ... but afaik it will still be in main and on the DVD | 00:01 |
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| shtylman | gotcha | 00:01 |
| shtylman | what happened? | 00:01 |
| a|wen | iirc we reasoned, that we would probably switch back for kde4.4 = karmic+1 ... and doing settings migration etc. was not really possible, alas. changing the default browser for one cycle was not worth it | 00:04 |
| shtylman | I see | 00:05 |
| a|wen | there should be a discussion about it in the mailing list i think | 00:07 |
| a|wen | but remember, for those who wish arora will be fully supported just like firefox | 00:08 |
| yuriy | hmm good point, it probably shouldn't be | 00:09 |
| a|wen | it needs to be if we want it on the DVD | 00:10 |
| * a|wen considers filing an FFE for http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/OpenOffice.org+Thumbnail+plugin?content=110864 | 00:46 | |
| a|wen | any suggestions about a reasonable name? openoffice.org-thumbnail-kde is my best shot for now | 00:46 |
| jtechidna|window | kio-thumbnailer-openoffice | 00:48 |
| jtechidna|window | kde-thumbnailer-openoffice maybe | 00:48 |
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| a|wen | kde-thumbnailer-openoffice sounds like a good name to me | 00:50 |
| a|wen | uploaded to revu if anyone is interested http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice ... needs to wait for upstream including a license | 01:20 |
| zorael | The gtkrc-2.0-kde4 file freshens up gtk apps nicely, but obviously only those run after the script has exported the GTK2_RC_FILES variable. Such apps include IM helpers (in this case, ibus), which seem to be started in Xsession.d/80-imswitch. Any suggestions where I could insert the script to be run earlier in the process, before the helper app starts? Possible to have it be for KDE sessions only? | 01:55 |
| zorael | This ibus daemon starts a gtk panel app that looks like dirt, unless I restart it after having logged in. ;/ | 01:57 |
| ScottK | Someone up for some Python? The Firefox installer isn't going to make it as is: | 02:05 |
| ScottK | <slangasek> ScottK: kubuntu-firefox-installer+ruby - fwiw, I pruned libgettext-ruby from package deps last cycle to keep it out of main, because it has an unreasonable dependency tree that I wasn't about to do MIRs for; I think this ought to be the case again. | 02:05 |
| ScottK | <slangasek> you guys might consider which would be quicker - doing all the MIRs for these packages, or reimplementing that 300-line script in python | 02:05 |
| * spstarr knows Python but im currently in C++ mode :) | 02:42 | |
| ScottK | spstarr: OK. I'd take a C++ implementation. | 02:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell: ^^ | 02:48 |
| * spstarr hides | 02:48 | |
| spstarr | Python is faster ;p | 02:48 |
| jjesse | first chance to be online after updating my mini 9 runing karmic and i have no mouse or keyboard at the login, any ideads? | 02:48 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I updated the survey to Alpha 5 so we can get the correct responses...forgot you were still using my server for that | 03:14 |
| nixternal | jjesse: my mini 10v is running like a champ ;p | 03:15 |
| nixternal | hey, I worked on docs to, kind of big time, so make sure you bzr pull | 03:15 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i can't pull in docs at all because i can't type to login :( | 03:22 |
| jjesse | none of my keys or the mouse now responds after updates and reboot | 03:23 |
| s8n | bow down before me! | 03:41 |
| jjesse | why now? | 03:42 |
| s8n | I just installed kubuntu net book on my new acer 1 | 03:42 |
| s8n | it's awesomeness | 03:42 |
| jjesse | nice, my kubuntu netbook isn't responding :( | 03:42 |
| s8n | :// | 03:43 |
| s8n | no fun | 03:43 |
| jjesse | kyboard and mouse no responding | 03:43 |
| s8n | it tooke me forever to realize that i had to use usb-imagecreator not usb-creator | 03:43 |
| s8n | jjesse: on a dell? | 03:43 |
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| jjesse | vorian yes my mini 9 | 03:44 |
| vorian | pfft, sorry to hear that | 03:44 |
| vorian | do they work with usb mice/keyboard? | 03:45 |
| jjesse | don't have a usb mouse or keyboard on me | 03:45 |
| jjesse | so no clue what i'm going to do to troubleshoot | 03:45 |
| jjesse | but i gotta finish this stupid status report for work so i can have a fun weekend first ;) | 03:46 |
| vorian | yeah, that is a tough one | 03:46 |
| vorian | ok, do that then :P | 03:46 |
| vorian | nixternal: i havent been following the recent applications lately, but are we able to apply via mailing list again? I've noticed a few done via mailing list | 03:50 |
| nixternal | vorian: no, the reason was because we can't get a quorum on IRC because of schedule conflicts, and we were running late on the 4 apps we are processing on IRC..so that is why we are temporarily doing it | 03:52 |
| jjesse | yay status report done :) | 03:53 |
| jjesse | what are we applying for? | 03:53 |
| jjesse | phew keyboard responds in bios so that's good at least | 03:53 |
| nixternal | jjesse: MOTU and Core Dev apps | 03:54 |
| jjesse | hrmm once kde comes up keyboard stops responding | 03:54 |
| vorian | ah, i see | 03:54 |
| vorian | nixternal: now that I live in the mountains, all the times suck :( | 03:54 |
| nixternal | in the mountains? | 03:55 |
| vorian | I live in Idaho now | 03:55 |
| nixternal | wtf | 03:55 |
| vorian | yus! | 03:55 |
| nixternal | what happened with the farm store? | 03:55 |
| jjesse | wow why there? | 03:55 |
| jjesse | not even ctrl+alt+delete works | 03:55 |
| nixternal | of all the places, you picked Idaho | 03:55 |
| nixternal | Idapimp :p | 03:55 |
| vorian | my wifes family live here | 03:55 |
| nixternal | what are you doing work wise now? | 03:55 |
| jjesse | i thought you were a ho? | 03:56 |
| nixternal | ouch | 03:56 |
| vorian | I work for another retailer now | 03:56 |
| vorian | a ho! | 03:56 |
| vorian | i suppose 7 utc is like midnight | 03:56 |
| vorian | that's prolly best | 03:56 |
| jjesse | hrmm can i edit my boot so kde doesn't start and if so what do i do? | 03:57 |
| vorian | you can safe boot | 03:57 |
| jjesse | in karmic how do i do that? | 03:57 |
| vorian | hit esc before after bios starts the hard drive scripts | 03:58 |
| vorian | where grub would start on a dual boot | 03:58 |
| jjesse | hrmm must be booting right past my esc | 03:58 |
| nixternal | if it is grub2, you gotta start hitting escape right away, as there is no 3 second countdown | 04:01 |
| jjesse | hrmm held down until the system beep started, maybe i'll just download the new alpha | 04:02 |
| jjesse | vorian what did you install? the daily build or ? | 04:04 |
| vorian | yeah, daily | 04:05 |
| claydoh | jjesse: the esc button has to be hit at the right moment, it is pretty aggravating they did that to us :/ | 04:05 |
| jjesse | i've been trying for 10 minutes | 04:06 |
| jjesse | and cant get it to work right | 04:06 |
| vorian | i downloaded it last night, so it should be that same as alpha 5 | 04:06 |
| ScottK | claydoh: It's not intended to be like this for the final. | 04:06 |
| jjesse | trying to hit the write sequence is very annyoing | 04:06 |
| vorian | up up down down left right left right b a start | 04:07 |
| claydoh | ScottK: i know :) but it made it rather difficullt for me as I need to pass acpi=off to grub to get my lappy to boot karmic | 04:07 |
| claydoh | at least for the first boot till I edit grub | 04:08 |
| ScottK | You can set that in the installer, FYI. | 04:08 |
| claydoh | are we talking about the netbook version, or karmic in general? | 04:14 |
| ScottK | In general | 04:14 |
| ScottK | If you use the advanced option you can specify that option. | 04:15 |
| claydoh | I didn't see that option | 04:15 |
| claydoh | hmm | 04:15 |
| ScottK | I don't have the installer screen in front of me so I can't explain it exactly. | 04:15 |
| claydoh | but cool | 04:15 |
| claydoh | in the advanced section near the end, the grub options? where you specify where to install grub to, etc? | 04:16 |
| ScottK | Something like that | 04:16 |
| ScottK | It's late and I'm tired | 04:16 |
| claydoh | sure is | 04:17 |
| jjesse | that's why i've given up trying to hit esc cause its late | 04:17 |
| spstarr | buntu pople, what is 'PPA' | 05:11 |
| spstarr | oh | 05:12 |
| spstarr | Personal Package Archives | 05:12 |
| * spstarr watches Launchpad watch me | 05:16 | |
| spstarr | idea: maybe KPackageKit can automatically get a custom PPA and update sources.lst if you want newer versions testing? | 05:19 |
| spstarr | heh the newest PPA PA debs fail too | 05:46 |
| spstarr | that g-d forsaken @$@$@$%#!@$ :) | 05:46 |
| Lure | Riddell: how likely is it to get MIR accepted after FF: see bug 424095 | 08:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 424095 in kdegraphics "Compile Okular with EPUB support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424095 | 08:21 |
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| Quintasan | hello | 09:43 |
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| a|wen | if any other MOTU is around to take a quick glance at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice to see if it is okay, before i start trying to get an FFE, i would be glad | 10:40 |
| Quintasan | hurr, installed openoffice.org-style-oxygen and I don't have any icons | 10:52 |
| Quintasan | nvm, openoffice.org-kde installed | 10:53 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchinda: ping me when you have few minutes to spare | 10:57 |
| jussi01 | hrm, is there a kpackage kit equivalent to update manager -c -d ? | 11:11 |
| javi | hi, i'm having troubles with knetworkmanager after upgrading plasma-widget-networkmanagement and plasma-widget-network-manager, both are version 0.1~svn1017841. Now knetworkmanager doesn't connect to the wifi lan, has anyone else reported this? | 11:47 |
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| shtylman | how come digikam isn't in the default install? | 15:01 |
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| seele | shtylman: i think at the time of decision it was still beta? | 19:12 |
| seele | shtylman: also, it's really big | 19:12 |
| skreech | Amarok beta needs testing? | 20:19 |
| a|wen | skreech: it is in the experimental PPA if you want to play with it | 21:34 |
| skreech | Ok | 21:36 |
| JontheEchinda | Quintasan: ping | 21:53 |
| JontheEchinda | Riddell: kde bug 202964, has a patch now | 21:53 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 202964 in general "Module fails to initialize in Spanish KDE environment" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202964 | 21:53 |
| skreech | Who owns the experimental ppa? | 21:58 |
| skreech | a|wen: is it a karmic only package? | 22:02 |
| a|wen | JontheEchinda: if you have time, could I have you look thorugh http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice and see if it looks sane? | 22:02 |
| a|wen | skreech: it's karmic-only afaik ... https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental | 22:03 |
| JontheEchinda | a|wen: I can't testbuild at the moment (in Windows :( ) but I'll take a look at the packaging | 22:03 |
| skreech | Ah ok | 22:03 |
| a|wen | JontheEchinda: sorry to hear that :( ... but thanks! | 22:04 |
| JontheEchinda | stupid school... XP blows | 22:04 |
| skreech | I ignored school | 22:05 |
| skreech | I think nixternal did the same | 22:05 |
| skreech | I just did everything in Linux anyway | 22:05 |
| * a|wen has XP at work, and curses it a lot! | 22:06 | |
| JontheEchinda | I need Microsoft (tm) Excel and some bullcrap proprietary plugin for it | 22:06 |
| skreech | My work thankfully tries to get us not to use Windows | 22:07 |
| a|wen | at least my university has a *nix-like system ... huge sun-sparc/Solaris boxes :) | 22:07 |
| ScottK | When I get suggested to use IE for work I tell people my company security policy forbids use of Windows. | 22:08 |
| ScottK | You can't argue against security. | 22:08 |
| JontheEchinda | and of course installing XP on a separate partition nuked grub... | 22:08 |
| skreech | Do you know who is in charge of the experimental packages? | 22:08 |
| JontheEchinda | anybody know how to get grub back on? | 22:08 |
| ScottK | Boot to a live CD and shove it back on somehow, I would imagine. | 22:09 |
| skreech | !grub | 22:10 |
| ubottu | GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto | 22:10 |
| JontheEchinda | oh, neat | 22:10 |
| JontheEchinda | a|wen: konq depends on dolphin, so you could just strip the optional dep down to dolphin | 22:10 |
| JontheEchinda | or konq | 22:11 |
| skreech | ScottK: Nice :) I'd like to have that in writing :) | 22:12 |
| ScottK | skreech: I'm the only employee at my company, so I don't get many policy arguments. | 22:13 |
| JontheEchinda | a|wen: also, dunno if it's just Windows/firefox or a combination of the two, but in debian/copyright line 8 looks like: Copyright © 2009 | 22:13 |
| a|wen | JontheEchinda: still think it makes sense to have the or ... maybe move it to a recommends? | 22:14 |
| JontheEchinda | maybe depend on dolphin, recommend konq | 22:14 |
| a|wen | looks perfectly fine here on line 8 ... so i blame windows | 22:14 |
| JontheEchinda | a|wen: ok, figured it was something like that | 22:14 |
| a|wen | jup, my thought ... i move konw to recommends | 22:15 |
| a|wen | konq* | 22:15 |
| JontheEchinda | a|wen: also, I noticed that the plugin is licensed under GPLv3, while the packaging is under v2 | 22:17 |
| JontheEchinda | the thought is that they want them licensed under the same GPL, when possible. (Or at least that's what I've been told) | 22:18 |
| a|wen | JontheEchinda: the package is under LGPL-3 ... is that appropriate for the packaging? | 22:18 |
| JontheEchinda | a|wen: debian/copyright sez that the packaging is licensed under GPL version 2 | 22:19 |
| a|wen | JontheEchinda: jup ... but upstream is licenses under LGPL v3 | 22:20 |
| JontheEchinda | yeah, that's fine | 22:20 |
| a|wen | is it okay to use LGPL for the packaging? | 22:20 |
| JontheEchinda | hmm, licensing makes my head spin | 22:20 |
| JontheEchinda | ScottK: any advice? I hear you're an archive admin these days | 22:21 |
| a|wen | looks like i should use GPL-3 and not GPL-2 for the packaging ... unless i can just use LGPL-3 | 22:27 |
| * a|wen is definitely no expert on licenses | 22:29 | |
| ScottK | I usually just say "Licensed under the same terms as $Package" for the packaging. | 22:46 |
| a|wen | ScottK: and LGPL is okay for that as well? | 22:46 |
| ScottK | Hmmmm | 22:47 |
| ScottK | Is the GPL v2 stuff v2 or v2 and later? | 22:48 |
| a|wen | ScottK: the package is LGPL v3 ... and i'll make the packaging either LGPL v3 or GPL v3, whatever is appropriate | 22:49 |
| ScottK | LPGL then | 22:50 |
| ScottK | It's easiest just to make them the same. | 22:51 |
| a|wen | i'll do that then, thx for input ScottK | 22:51 |
| a|wen | JontheEchinda: thx for looking through the package | 22:58 |
| a|wen | FFE req. filed as bug 424636 | 23:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 424636 in ubuntu "[FFE][needs-packaging] kde-thumbnailer-openoffice" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424636 | 23:05 |
| ScottK | vorian: ^^ | 23:08 |
| NamShub | is there similar plan to:http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration ? | 23:33 |
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