[00:01] shtylman: arora will not be the default browser ... but afaik it will still be in main and on the DVD [00:01] gotcha [00:01] what happened? [00:04] iirc we reasoned, that we would probably switch back for kde4.4 = karmic+1 ... and doing settings migration etc. was not really possible, alas. changing the default browser for one cycle was not worth it [00:05] I see [00:07] there should be a discussion about it in the mailing list i think [00:08] but remember, for those who wish arora will be fully supported just like firefox [00:09] hmm good point, it probably shouldn't be [00:10] it needs to be if we want it on the DVD [00:46] * a|wen considers filing an FFE for http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/OpenOffice.org+Thumbnail+plugin?content=110864 [00:46] any suggestions about a reasonable name? openoffice.org-thumbnail-kde is my best shot for now [00:48] kio-thumbnailer-openoffice [00:48] kde-thumbnailer-openoffice maybe === jtechidna|window is now known as JontheEchidna [00:50] kde-thumbnailer-openoffice sounds like a good name to me [01:20] uploaded to revu if anyone is interested http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice ... needs to wait for upstream including a license [01:55] The gtkrc-2.0-kde4 file freshens up gtk apps nicely, but obviously only those run after the script has exported the GTK2_RC_FILES variable. Such apps include IM helpers (in this case, ibus), which seem to be started in Xsession.d/80-imswitch. Any suggestions where I could insert the script to be run earlier in the process, before the helper app starts? Possible to have it be for KDE sessions only? [01:57] This ibus daemon starts a gtk panel app that looks like dirt, unless I restart it after having logged in. ;/ [02:05] Someone up for some Python? The Firefox installer isn't going to make it as is: [02:05] ScottK: kubuntu-firefox-installer+ruby - fwiw, I pruned libgettext-ruby from package deps last cycle to keep it out of main, because it has an unreasonable dependency tree that I wasn't about to do MIRs for; I think this ought to be the case again. [02:05] you guys might consider which would be quicker - doing all the MIRs for these packages, or reimplementing that 300-line script in python [02:42] * spstarr knows Python but im currently in C++ mode :) [02:48] spstarr: OK. I'd take a C++ implementation. [02:48] Riddell: ^^ [02:48] * spstarr hides [02:48] Python is faster ;p [02:48] first chance to be online after updating my mini 9 runing karmic and i have no mouse or keyboard at the login, any ideads? [03:14] Riddell: I updated the survey to Alpha 5 so we can get the correct responses...forgot you were still using my server for that [03:15] jjesse: my mini 10v is running like a champ ;p [03:15] hey, I worked on docs to, kind of big time, so make sure you bzr pull [03:22] nixternal: i can't pull in docs at all because i can't type to login :( [03:23] none of my keys or the mouse now responds after updates and reboot [03:41] bow down before me! [03:42] why now? [03:42] I just installed kubuntu net book on my new acer 1 [03:42] it's awesomeness [03:42] nice, my kubuntu netbook isn't responding :( [03:43] :// [03:43] no fun [03:43] kyboard and mouse no responding [03:43] it tooke me forever to realize that i had to use usb-imagecreator not usb-creator [03:43] jjesse: on a dell? === s8n is now known as vorian [03:44] vorian yes my mini 9 [03:44] pfft, sorry to hear that [03:45] do they work with usb mice/keyboard? [03:45] don't have a usb mouse or keyboard on me [03:45] so no clue what i'm going to do to troubleshoot [03:46] but i gotta finish this stupid status report for work so i can have a fun weekend first ;) [03:46] yeah, that is a tough one [03:46] ok, do that then :P [03:50] nixternal: i havent been following the recent applications lately, but are we able to apply via mailing list again? I've noticed a few done via mailing list [03:52] vorian: no, the reason was because we can't get a quorum on IRC because of schedule conflicts, and we were running late on the 4 apps we are processing on IRC..so that is why we are temporarily doing it [03:53] yay status report done :) [03:53] what are we applying for? [03:53] phew keyboard responds in bios so that's good at least [03:54] jjesse: MOTU and Core Dev apps [03:54] hrmm once kde comes up keyboard stops responding [03:54] ah, i see [03:54] nixternal: now that I live in the mountains, all the times suck :( [03:55] in the mountains? [03:55] I live in Idaho now [03:55] wtf [03:55] yus! [03:55] what happened with the farm store? [03:55] wow why there? [03:55] not even ctrl+alt+delete works [03:55] of all the places, you picked Idaho [03:55] Idapimp :p [03:55] my wifes family live here [03:55] what are you doing work wise now? [03:56] i thought you were a ho? [03:56] ouch [03:56] I work for another retailer now [03:56] a ho! [03:56] i suppose 7 utc is like midnight [03:56] that's prolly best [03:57] hrmm can i edit my boot so kde doesn't start and if so what do i do? [03:57] you can safe boot [03:57] in karmic how do i do that? [03:58] hit esc before after bios starts the hard drive scripts [03:58] where grub would start on a dual boot [03:58] hrmm must be booting right past my esc [04:01] if it is grub2, you gotta start hitting escape right away, as there is no 3 second countdown [04:02] hrmm held down until the system beep started, maybe i'll just download the new alpha [04:04] vorian what did you install? the daily build or ? [04:05] yeah, daily [04:05] jjesse: the esc button has to be hit at the right moment, it is pretty aggravating they did that to us :/ [04:06] i've been trying for 10 minutes [04:06] and cant get it to work right [04:06] i downloaded it last night, so it should be that same as alpha 5 [04:06] claydoh: It's not intended to be like this for the final. [04:06] trying to hit the write sequence is very annyoing [04:07] up up down down left right left right b a start [04:07] ScottK: i know :) but it made it rather difficullt for me as I need to pass acpi=off to grub to get my lappy to boot karmic [04:08] at least for the first boot till I edit grub [04:08] You can set that in the installer, FYI. [04:14] are we talking about the netbook version, or karmic in general? [04:14] In general [04:15] If you use the advanced option you can specify that option. [04:15] I didn't see that option [04:15] hmm [04:15] I don't have the installer screen in front of me so I can't explain it exactly. [04:15] but cool [04:16] in the advanced section near the end, the grub options? where you specify where to install grub to, etc? [04:16] Something like that [04:16] It's late and I'm tired [04:17] sure is [04:17] that's why i've given up trying to hit esc cause its late [05:11] buntu pople, what is 'PPA' [05:12] oh [05:12] Personal Package Archives [05:16] * spstarr watches Launchpad watch me [05:19] idea: maybe KPackageKit can automatically get a custom PPA and update sources.lst if you want newer versions testing? [05:46] heh the newest PPA PA debs fail too [05:46] that g-d forsaken @$@$@$%#!@$ :) [08:21] Riddell: how likely is it to get MIR accepted after FF: see bug 424095 [08:21] Launchpad bug 424095 in kdegraphics "Compile Okular with EPUB support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424095 === ejat is now known as e-jat === e-jat is now known as ejat [09:43] hello === jussi01 is now known as _ === _ is now known as jussi01 === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [10:40] if any other MOTU is around to take a quick glance at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice to see if it is okay, before i start trying to get an FFE, i would be glad [10:52] hurr, installed openoffice.org-style-oxygen and I don't have any icons [10:53] nvm, openoffice.org-kde installed [10:57] JontheEchinda: ping me when you have few minutes to spare [11:11] hrm, is there a kpackage kit equivalent to update manager -c -d ? [11:47] hi, i'm having troubles with knetworkmanager after upgrading plasma-widget-networkmanagement and plasma-widget-network-manager, both are version 0.1~svn1017841. Now knetworkmanager doesn't connect to the wifi lan, has anyone else reported this? === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [15:01] how come digikam isn't in the default install? === cbr_ is now known as cbr [19:12] shtylman: i think at the time of decision it was still beta? [19:12] shtylman: also, it's really big [20:19] Amarok beta needs testing? [21:34] skreech: it is in the experimental PPA if you want to play with it [21:36] Ok [21:53] Quintasan: ping [21:53] Riddell: kde bug 202964, has a patch now [21:53] KDE bug 202964 in general "Module fails to initialize in Spanish KDE environment" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202964 [21:58] Who owns the experimental ppa? [22:02] a|wen: is it a karmic only package? [22:02] JontheEchinda: if you have time, could I have you look thorugh http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice and see if it looks sane? [22:03] skreech: it's karmic-only afaik ... https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental [22:03] a|wen: I can't testbuild at the moment (in Windows :( ) but I'll take a look at the packaging [22:03] Ah ok [22:04] JontheEchinda: sorry to hear that :( ... but thanks! [22:04] stupid school... XP blows [22:05] I ignored school [22:05] I think nixternal did the same [22:05] I just did everything in Linux anyway [22:06] * a|wen has XP at work, and curses it a lot! [22:06] I need Microsoft (tm) Excel and some bullcrap proprietary plugin for it [22:07] My work thankfully tries to get us not to use Windows [22:07] at least my university has a *nix-like system ... huge sun-sparc/Solaris boxes :) [22:08] When I get suggested to use IE for work I tell people my company security policy forbids use of Windows. [22:08] You can't argue against security. [22:08] and of course installing XP on a separate partition nuked grub... [22:08] Do you know who is in charge of the experimental packages? [22:08] anybody know how to get grub back on? [22:09] Boot to a live CD and shove it back on somehow, I would imagine. [22:10] !grub [22:10] GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [22:10] oh, neat [22:10] a|wen: konq depends on dolphin, so you could just strip the optional dep down to dolphin [22:11] or konq [22:12] ScottK: Nice :) I'd like to have that in writing :) [22:13] skreech: I'm the only employee at my company, so I don't get many policy arguments. [22:13] a|wen: also, dunno if it's just Windows/firefox or a combination of the two, but in debian/copyright line 8 looks like: Copyright Â© 2009 [22:14] JontheEchinda: still think it makes sense to have the or ... maybe move it to a recommends? [22:14] maybe depend on dolphin, recommend konq [22:14] looks perfectly fine here on line 8 ... so i blame windows [22:14] a|wen: ok, figured it was something like that [22:15] jup, my thought ... i move konw to recommends [22:15] konq* [22:17] a|wen: also, I noticed that the plugin is licensed under GPLv3, while the packaging is under v2 [22:18] the thought is that they want them licensed under the same GPL, when possible. (Or at least that's what I've been told) [22:18] JontheEchinda: the package is under LGPL-3 ... is that appropriate for the packaging? [22:19] a|wen: debian/copyright sez that the packaging is licensed under GPL version 2 [22:20] JontheEchinda: jup ... but upstream is licenses under LGPL v3 [22:20] yeah, that's fine [22:20] is it okay to use LGPL for the packaging? [22:20] hmm, licensing makes my head spin [22:21] ScottK: any advice? I hear you're an archive admin these days [22:27] looks like i should use GPL-3 and not GPL-2 for the packaging ... unless i can just use LGPL-3 [22:29] * a|wen is definitely no expert on licenses [22:46] I usually just say "Licensed under the same terms as $Package" for the packaging. [22:46] ScottK: and LGPL is okay for that as well? [22:47] Hmmmm [22:48] Is the GPL v2 stuff v2 or v2 and later? [22:49] ScottK: the package is LGPL v3 ... and i'll make the packaging either LGPL v3 or GPL v3, whatever is appropriate [22:50] LPGL then [22:51] It's easiest just to make them the same. [22:51] i'll do that then, thx for input ScottK [22:58] JontheEchinda: thx for looking through the package [23:05] FFE req. filed as bug 424636 [23:05] Launchpad bug 424636 in ubuntu "[FFE][needs-packaging] kde-thumbnailer-openoffice" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424636 [23:08] vorian: ^^ [23:33] is there similar plan to:http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration ?