[00:01] <a|wen> shtylman: arora will not be the default browser ... but afaik it will still be in main and on the DVD
[00:01] <shtylman> gotcha
[00:01] <shtylman> what happened?
[00:04] <a|wen> iirc we reasoned, that we would probably switch back for kde4.4 = karmic+1 ... and doing settings migration etc. was not really possible, alas. changing the default browser for one cycle was not worth it
[00:05] <shtylman> I see
[00:07] <a|wen> there should be a discussion about it in the mailing list i think
[00:08] <a|wen> but remember, for those who wish arora will be fully supported just like firefox
[00:09] <yuriy> hmm good point, it probably shouldn't be
[00:10] <a|wen> it needs to be if we want it on the DVD
[00:46]  * a|wen considers filing an FFE for http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/OpenOffice.org+Thumbnail+plugin?content=110864
[00:46] <a|wen> any suggestions about a reasonable name? openoffice.org-thumbnail-kde is my best shot for now
[00:48] <jtechidna|window> kio-thumbnailer-openoffice
[00:48] <jtechidna|window> kde-thumbnailer-openoffice maybe
[00:50] <a|wen> kde-thumbnailer-openoffice sounds like a good name to me
[01:20] <a|wen> uploaded to revu if anyone is interested http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice ... needs to wait for upstream including a license
[01:55] <zorael> The gtkrc-2.0-kde4 file freshens up gtk apps nicely, but obviously only those run after the script has exported the GTK2_RC_FILES variable. Such apps include IM helpers (in this case, ibus), which seem to be started in Xsession.d/80-imswitch. Any suggestions where I could insert the script to be run earlier in the process, before the helper app starts? Possible to have it be for KDE sessions only?
[01:57] <zorael> This ibus daemon starts a gtk panel app that looks like dirt, unless I restart it after having logged in. ;/
[02:05] <ScottK> Someone up for some Python?  The Firefox installer isn't going to make it as is:
 ScottK: kubuntu-firefox-installer+ruby - fwiw, I pruned libgettext-ruby from package deps last cycle to keep it out of main, because it has an unreasonable dependency tree that I wasn't about to do MIRs for; I think this ought to be the case again.
 you guys might consider which would be quicker - doing all the MIRs for these packages, or reimplementing that 300-line script in python
[02:42]  * spstarr knows Python but im currently in C++ mode :)
[02:48] <ScottK> spstarr: OK.  I'd take a C++ implementation.
[02:48] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[02:48]  * spstarr hides
[02:48] <spstarr> Python is faster ;p
[02:48] <jjesse> first chance to be online after updating my mini 9 runing karmic and i have no mouse or keyboard at the login, any ideads?
[03:14] <nixternal> Riddell: I updated the survey to Alpha 5 so we can get the correct responses...forgot you were still using my server for that
[03:15] <nixternal> jjesse: my mini 10v is running like a champ ;p
[03:15] <nixternal> hey, I worked on docs to, kind of big time, so make sure you bzr pull
[03:22] <jjesse> nixternal: i can't pull in docs at all because i can't type to login :(
[03:23] <jjesse> none of my keys or the mouse now responds after updates and reboot
[03:41] <s8n> bow down before me!
[03:42] <jjesse> why now?
[03:42] <s8n> I just installed kubuntu net book on my new acer 1
[03:42] <s8n> it's awesomeness
[03:42] <jjesse> nice, my kubuntu netbook isn't responding :(
[03:43] <s8n> ://
[03:43] <s8n> no fun
[03:43] <jjesse> kyboard and mouse no responding
[03:43] <s8n> it tooke me forever to realize that i had to use usb-imagecreator not usb-creator
[03:43] <s8n> jjesse: on a dell?
[03:44] <jjesse> vorian yes my mini 9
[03:44] <vorian> pfft, sorry to hear that
[03:45] <vorian> do they work with usb mice/keyboard?
[03:45] <jjesse> don't have a usb mouse or keyboard on me
[03:45] <jjesse> so no clue what i'm going to do to troubleshoot
[03:46] <jjesse> but i gotta finish this stupid status report for work so i can have a fun weekend first ;)
[03:46] <vorian> yeah, that is a tough one
[03:46] <vorian> ok, do that then :P
[03:50] <vorian> nixternal: i havent been following the recent applications lately, but are we able to apply via mailing list again?  I've noticed a few done via mailing list
[03:52] <nixternal> vorian: no, the reason was because we can't get a quorum on IRC because of schedule conflicts, and we were running late on the 4 apps we are processing on IRC..so that is why we are temporarily doing it
[03:53] <jjesse> yay status report done :)
[03:53] <jjesse> what are we applying for?
[03:53] <jjesse> phew keyboard responds in bios so that's good at least
[03:54] <nixternal> jjesse: MOTU and Core Dev apps
[03:54] <jjesse> hrmm once kde comes up keyboard stops responding
[03:54] <vorian> ah, i see
[03:54] <vorian> nixternal: now that I live in the mountains, all the times suck :(
[03:55] <nixternal> in the mountains?
[03:55] <vorian> I live in Idaho now
[03:55] <nixternal> wtf
[03:55] <vorian> yus!
[03:55] <nixternal> what happened with the farm store?
[03:55] <jjesse> wow why there?
[03:55] <jjesse> not even ctrl+alt+delete works
[03:55] <nixternal> of all the places, you picked Idaho
[03:55] <nixternal> Idapimp :p
[03:55] <vorian> my wifes family live here
[03:55] <nixternal> what are you doing work wise now?
[03:56] <jjesse> i thought you were a ho?
[03:56] <nixternal> ouch
[03:56] <vorian> I work for another retailer now
[03:56] <vorian> a ho!
[03:56] <vorian> i suppose 7 utc is like midnight
[03:56] <vorian> that's prolly best
[03:57] <jjesse> hrmm can i edit my boot so kde doesn't start and if so what do i do?
[03:57] <vorian> you can safe boot
[03:57] <jjesse> in karmic how do i do that?
[03:58] <vorian> hit esc before after bios starts the hard drive scripts
[03:58] <vorian> where grub would start on a dual boot
[03:58] <jjesse> hrmm must be booting right past my esc
[04:01] <nixternal> if it is grub2, you gotta start hitting escape right away, as there is no 3 second countdown
[04:02] <jjesse> hrmm held down until the system beep started, maybe i'll just download the new alpha
[04:04] <jjesse> vorian what did you install?  the daily build or ?
[04:05] <vorian> yeah, daily
[04:05] <claydoh> jjesse: the esc button has to be hit at the right moment, it is pretty aggravating they did that to us :/
[04:06] <jjesse> i've been trying for 10 minutes
[04:06] <jjesse> and cant get it to work right
[04:06] <vorian> i downloaded it last night, so it should be that same as alpha 5
[04:06] <ScottK> claydoh: It's not intended to be like this for the final.
[04:06] <jjesse> trying to hit the write sequence is very annyoing
[04:07] <vorian> up up down down left right left right b a start
[04:07] <claydoh> ScottK: i know :) but it made it rather difficullt for me as I need to pass acpi=off to grub to get my lappy to boot karmic
[04:08] <claydoh> at least for the first boot till I edit grub
[04:08] <ScottK> You can set that in the installer, FYI.
[04:14] <claydoh> are we talking about the netbook version, or karmic in general?
[04:14] <ScottK> In general
[04:15] <ScottK> If you use the advanced option you can specify that option.
[04:15] <claydoh> I didn't see that option
[04:15] <claydoh> hmm
[04:15] <ScottK> I don't have the installer screen in front of me so I can't explain it exactly.
[04:15] <claydoh>  but cool
[04:16] <claydoh> in the advanced section near the end, the grub options? where you specify where to install grub to, etc?
[04:16] <ScottK> Something like that
[04:16] <ScottK> It's late and I'm tired
[04:17] <claydoh> sure is
[04:17] <jjesse> that's why i've given up trying to hit esc cause its late
[05:11] <spstarr> buntu pople, what is 'PPA'
[05:12] <spstarr> oh
[05:12] <spstarr> Personal Package Archives
[05:16]  * spstarr watches Launchpad watch me
[05:19] <spstarr> idea: maybe KPackageKit can automatically get a custom PPA and update sources.lst if you want newer versions testing?
[05:46] <spstarr> heh the newest PPA PA debs fail too
[05:46] <spstarr> that g-d forsaken @$@$@$%#!@$ :)
[08:21] <Lure> Riddell: how likely is it to get MIR accepted after FF: see bug 424095
[09:43] <Quintasan> hello
[10:40] <a|wen> if any other MOTU is around to take a quick glance at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice to see if it is okay, before i start trying to get an FFE, i would be glad
[10:52] <Quintasan> hurr, installed openoffice.org-style-oxygen and I don't have any icons
[10:53] <Quintasan> nvm, openoffice.org-kde installed
[10:57] <Quintasan> JontheEchinda: ping me when you have few minutes to spare
[11:11] <jussi01> hrm, is there a kpackage kit equivalent to update manager -c -d ?
[11:47] <javi> hi, i'm having troubles with knetworkmanager after upgrading plasma-widget-networkmanagement and plasma-widget-network-manager, both are version 0.1~svn1017841. Now knetworkmanager doesn't connect to the wifi lan, has anyone else reported this?
[15:01] <shtylman> how come digikam isn't in the default install?
[19:12] <seele> shtylman: i think at the time of decision it was still beta?
[19:12] <seele> shtylman: also, it's really big
[20:19] <skreech> Amarok beta needs testing?
[21:34] <a|wen> skreech: it is in the experimental PPA if you want to play with it
[21:36] <skreech> Ok
[21:53] <JontheEchinda> Quintasan: ping
[21:53] <JontheEchinda> Riddell: kde bug 202964, has a patch now
[21:58] <skreech> Who owns the experimental ppa?
[22:02] <skreech> a|wen: is it a karmic only package?
[22:02] <a|wen> JontheEchinda: if you have time, could I have you look thorugh http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice and see if it looks sane?
[22:03] <a|wen> skreech: it's karmic-only afaik ... https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[22:03] <JontheEchinda> a|wen: I can't testbuild at the moment (in Windows :( ) but I'll take a look at the packaging
[22:03] <skreech> Ah ok
[22:04] <a|wen> JontheEchinda: sorry to hear that :( ... but thanks!
[22:04] <JontheEchinda> stupid school... XP blows
[22:05] <skreech> I ignored school
[22:05] <skreech> I think nixternal did the same
[22:05] <skreech> I just did everything in Linux anyway
[22:06]  * a|wen has XP at work, and curses it a lot!
[22:06] <JontheEchinda> I need Microsoft (tm) Excel and some bullcrap proprietary plugin for it
[22:07] <skreech> My work thankfully tries to get us not to use Windows
[22:07] <a|wen> at least my university has a *nix-like system ... huge sun-sparc/Solaris boxes :)
[22:08] <ScottK> When I get suggested to use IE for work I tell people my company security policy forbids use of Windows.
[22:08] <ScottK> You can't argue against security.
[22:08] <JontheEchinda> and of course installing XP on a separate partition nuked grub...
[22:08] <skreech> Do you know who is in charge of the experimental packages?
[22:08] <JontheEchinda> anybody know how to get grub back on?
[22:09] <ScottK> Boot to a live CD and shove it back on somehow, I would imagine.
[22:10] <skreech> !grub
[22:10] <JontheEchinda> oh, neat
[22:10] <JontheEchinda> a|wen: konq depends on dolphin, so you could just strip the optional dep down to dolphin
[22:11] <JontheEchinda> or konq
[22:12] <skreech> ScottK: Nice :) I'd like to have that in writing :)
[22:13] <ScottK> skreech: I'm the only employee at my company, so I don't get many policy arguments.
[22:13] <JontheEchinda> a|wen: also, dunno if it's just Windows/firefox or a combination of the two, but in debian/copyright line 8 looks like: Copyright Â© 2009
[22:14] <a|wen> JontheEchinda: still think it makes sense to have the or ... maybe move it to a recommends?
[22:14] <JontheEchinda> maybe depend on dolphin, recommend konq
[22:14] <a|wen> looks perfectly fine here on line 8 ... so i blame windows
[22:14] <JontheEchinda> a|wen: ok, figured it was something like that
[22:15] <a|wen> jup, my thought ... i move konw to recommends
[22:15] <a|wen> konq*
[22:17] <JontheEchinda> a|wen: also, I noticed that the plugin is licensed under GPLv3, while the packaging is under v2
[22:18] <JontheEchinda> the thought is that they want them licensed under the same GPL, when possible. (Or at least that's what I've been told)
[22:18] <a|wen> JontheEchinda: the package is under LGPL-3 ... is that appropriate for the packaging?
[22:19] <JontheEchinda> a|wen: debian/copyright sez that the packaging is licensed under GPL version 2
[22:20] <a|wen> JontheEchinda: jup ... but upstream is licenses under LGPL v3
[22:20] <JontheEchinda> yeah, that's fine
[22:20] <a|wen> is it okay to use LGPL for the packaging?
[22:20] <JontheEchinda> hmm, licensing makes my head spin
[22:21] <JontheEchinda> ScottK: any advice? I hear you're an archive admin these days
[22:27] <a|wen> looks like i should use GPL-3 and not GPL-2 for the packaging ... unless i can just use LGPL-3
[22:29]  * a|wen is definitely no expert on licenses
[22:46] <ScottK> I usually just say "Licensed under the same terms as $Package" for the packaging.
[22:46] <a|wen> ScottK: and LGPL is okay for that as well?
[22:47] <ScottK> Hmmmm
[22:48] <ScottK> Is the GPL v2 stuff v2 or v2 and later?
[22:49] <a|wen> ScottK: the package is LGPL v3 ... and i'll make the packaging either LGPL v3 or GPL v3, whatever is appropriate
[22:50] <ScottK> LPGL then
[22:51] <ScottK> It's easiest just to make them the same.
[22:51] <a|wen> i'll do that then, thx for input ScottK
[22:58] <a|wen> JontheEchinda: thx for looking through the package
[23:05] <a|wen> FFE req. filed as bug 424636
[23:08] <ScottK> vorian: ^^
[23:33] <NamShub> is there similar plan to:http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration ?