[00:20] <coilette> anybody know why kopete would not be able to establish a connection with yaho servers?
[00:22] <seattlegaucho> coilette: yahoo servers made some changes a few months back that created some issues w/ IM clients
[00:22] <seattlegaucho> pidgin released a patch to solve ... google in case kopete had a similar situation
[00:24] <Dragnslcr> coilette- I don't think Ubuntu backported the fix, so you need KDE 4.3.0 for the fixed version of Kopete
[00:32] <|PaperTiger|> What program can I use to unzip .rar files?
[00:33] <coilette> i think if you search for one in adept you can find one
[00:34] <|PaperTiger|> Suggestions?
[00:34] <coilette> do you have adept?
[00:35] <|PaperTiger|> Yes
[00:35] <coilette> search for zip
[00:35] <|PaperTiger|> I've just searched archive and found karchiver
[00:36] <avihay> |PaperTiger|: I use winrar. the rar and unrar programs in the repositories faild me more then once
[00:36] <coilette> sounds like a winner, now all thats left is to learn to use it
[00:36] <|PaperTiger|> That's the problem, lol :P
[00:36] <coilette> simple unzipping cant be too hard to learn
[00:37] <|PaperTiger|> Shouldn't be
[00:38] <BluesKaj> coilette, in the terminal : unrar e filename.rar
[00:39] <coilette> im not the one looking to unzip/rar
[00:40] <coilette> get all that papertiger?
[00:40] <BluesKaj> oops , |PaperTiger|  :)
[00:40] <BluesKaj> shdda scrolled up
[00:40] <coilette> :)
[00:41] <BluesKaj> time for some tv anyway ... later
[00:41] <coilette> so if i get the bug fixes for jaunty kopete should work?
[00:42] <|PaperTiger|> BluesKaj =]
[00:43] <Dragnslcr> coilette- as far as I know, the Yahoo fix wasn't backported to KDE 4.2
[00:44] <coilette> im afraid to get all updates... last install crashed at random
[00:44] <coilette> so just kde update?
[00:48] <Dragnslcr> For 9.04, you'd need to install KDE 4.3 from the backports PPA
[01:25] <coilette> how do i get kopete to connect to yahoo servers
[01:34] <Dragnslcr> coilette- haven't I told you twice already?
[01:35] <coilette> ive taken all updates, bug fixes, and security fixes
[01:35] <coilette> upgrades as well, there is nothing left for me to download
[01:37] <coilette> funny thing is it worked fine yesterday, today i had to reinstall because X crashed randomly
[01:39] <coilette> am i missing something Dragonslcr?
[01:41] <bazhang> coilette, backports?
[01:46] <Dragnslcr> coilette- what version of KDE do you have?
[01:46] <coilette> how would i find it?
[01:47] <Dragnslcr> Help -> About KDE in pretty much any program
[01:48] <coilette> oic 4.2.2
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> There ya go
[01:49] <Dragnslcr> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3.1
[01:49] <coilette> how do i upgrade to 4.3.1?
[01:50] <coilette> i didnt do anything special in my last install and it worked before
[01:50] <bazhang> coilette, the ppa in the link above ?
[01:51] <coilette> ppa?
[01:51] <bazhang> coilette, did you read the link?
[01:51] <coilette> i am currently and i dont see a 'ppa'
[01:52] <bazhang> Users of our stable 9.04 release can install it from the Kubuntu Backports PPA.  <---- from the link above
[01:53] <coilette> omg /facepalm i was reading the wrong tab
[01:54] <coilette> so do i add this to my sources?
[01:58] <ritztech>  package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386
[01:58] <ritztech> waaaa ....
[01:58] <ritztech> i tryed downloadin the NX
[02:00] <ritztech> --force-architecture
[02:00] <ritztech> haha nm but thats weird i didnt download the 64 bit version only the 32 bit so did it put me at 32 bit....
[02:08] <jamesb_> First time Kubuntu user here.. How do I get Firefox installed?
[02:08] <coilette> do you have adept installed?
[02:09] <jamesb_> I don't know to be honest.. I just finished a fresh install.
[02:09] <coilette> what version do you have?
[02:11] <coilette> you dont remember the CD/DVD version?
[02:11] <jamesb_> 9.04 is what I have ... dvd
[02:11] <coilette> oh same thing i used
[02:12] <avihay> jamesb_: In the K-Menu, in the applications tab, click the add/remove software (adept installer)
[02:12] <coilette> you need to open up the command line client "konsole" and type "sudo apt-get update" and after thats done "sudo apt-get install adept"
[02:13] <coilette> avihay i used the same install DVD and adept doesnt come installed
[02:14] <avihay> ok.  so why bother with adept? you can jump stright to synaptic
[02:14] <coilette> because i dont have that either
[02:14] <avihay> so install it
[02:15] <coilette> why would i teach him to do that, if i dont know how to use it?
[02:15] <crass> hola
[02:15] <Dragnslcr> jamesb_- K Menu -> System -> Software Management
[02:16] <jamesb_> Thanks coilette ... Worked great!
[02:16] <coilette> yup, i take it you dont need help with adept?
[02:16] <Dragnslcr> jamesb_- that will open your package manager. From there, you can install "firefox" (which is 3.0) or "firefox-3.5"
[02:17] <jamesb_> I'm using adept ... I can't find firefox though.. let me try again..
[02:17] <coilette> you may also want to visit the preview page with no packages to add.. so you can click "upgrade" jamesb_
[02:17] <Dragnslcr> Adept probably isn't good for new users, unless the search functionality has been fixed
[02:17] <coilette> search works for me o.0
[02:17] <Dragnslcr> jamesb_- if you use KPackageKit instead, the search will probably be easier
[02:18] <Dragnslcr> Last time I used Adept, you couldn't search by package name
[02:18] <jamesb_> Well I searched for "Firefox" and it found "A Web Browser 3.5" ... not sure what that is.
[02:18] <coilette> hmm did it ask you to update the package list?
[02:18] <avihay> :->
[02:18] <jamesb_> Did that automatically
[02:19] <Dragnslcr> jamesb_- use KPackageKit instead
[02:19] <coilette> you type firefox and get nothing in the search?
[02:20] <jamesb_> I get Firefox 3.0.13+nobinonly
[02:20] <jamesb_> Nothing Firefox specific..
[02:21] <coilette> hmm weird, i see Firefox Web Browser
[02:21] <Dragnslcr> Well, if you need real help, let me know
[02:23] <jamesb_> I guess so.. can't find Firefox.. Dragnslcr what do you have for me?
[02:24] <avihay> kubuntu's firefox package is firefox 3.0 there are other packages that give you firefox 3.5' like abrowser (firefox without any firefox in it) or ice weasel(totaly firefox brand free) and firefox-3.5 (that gives you a browser named Shiretoko (firfox 3.5's codename) so you can run both it and firefox runing side by side) I find it all confuseing
[02:24] <jamesb_> Wow.. any other browser that you would recomment?
[02:25] <jamesb_> *reccomend
[02:25] <avihay> jamesb_: the easyest way to install firefox is to run: "sudo apt-get install firefox" . you might want or need to run "sudo apt-get update" before that
[02:25] <avihay> *to run -> to run from the terminal
[02:26] <avihay> they are all firefox, or to be more exact , they use 99.9% of firefox or more
[02:26] <jamesb_> I see..
[02:26] <jamesb_> I need some Linux training.. lol..
[02:27] <Dragnslcr> jamesb_- open KPackageKit (K Menu -> System -> Software Management)
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> In the search box, type "firefox" and press enter, and you'll get a list of all packages with "firefox" in the name
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> If you want Firefox 3.0, install the package called "firefox", and if you want Firefox 3.5, install the package called "firefox-3.5"
[02:29] <Dragnslcr> After you install it, Firefox 3.5 will be called Shiretoko (for reasons that I can try to explain if you really want to know)
[02:29] <jamesb_> How do I uninstall? I ran the command avihay gave me to install FF..
[02:30] <avihay> replace the word install with the word uninstall, or use the package manager
[02:30] <avihay> uninstall-> remove
[02:30] <Dragnslcr> If you want to uninstall a package, click the minus sign on the right side of the package name
[02:30] <Dragnslcr> Then click the Apply button
[02:32] <jamesb_> This is fun.. lol
[02:34] <jamesb_> I did notice the update manager says I have 8 software updates.. but I open it and only shows 4 "blocked" updates.. what's that?
[02:34] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, KPackageKit doesn't handle certain updates correctly
[02:34] <Dragnslcr> Are they kernel updates?
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> (one of the packages should be something like linux-image-generic)
[02:35] <jamesb_> Oh ok.. Says "linux-headers-generic - 2.6.28.11.15 (amd64)
[02:35] <jamesb_> Dragnslcr: you got it..
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, that's my one complaint about KPackageKit
[02:36] <Dragnslcr> If you want to install them, open konsole and run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:36] <jamesb_> Ok..
[02:38] <jamesb_> I installed 3.5 but it still says 3.0.13
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> When you run it?
[02:39] <jamesb_> Yeah...
[02:39] <jamesb_> I unsintalled the other.. maybe I didn't uninstall it correctly.. I clicked the "minus"
[02:41] <Dragnslcr> Did you click the Apply button?
[02:41] <jamesb_> Yes... hang on.. let me try something.. I love this!!LoL..
[02:41] <Dragnslcr> In the K Menu, Firefox 3.5 is called Shiretoko
[02:42] <jamesb_> Ok.. I just removed the other with Synaptic..
[02:43] <jamesb_> Ok.. let's try this again.. I see no Firefox installed anywhere..
[02:45] <Dragnslcr> Looks like it's called Preview Browser in the Internet submenu
[02:45] <jamesb_> Where am I installing this from? Which manager? I see several now.. maybe I wasn't paying attention before..
[02:46] <Dragnslcr> Oh, wait, have you not installed it yet?
[02:46] <jamesb_> Trying to.. I found it in adeptic.. you said something about not using that though..
[02:47] <jamesb_> 3.0.13 installed again.. but I didn't install anything .. I uninstalled.. grrr...
[02:47] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[02:48] <Dragnslcr> I think too many people told you to use too many different package managers
[02:48] <jamesb_> Think so?? Still fun though.. lol
[02:48] <Dragnslcr> I would uninstall Adept, since you don't really need it
[02:48] <Dragnslcr> Stick to KPackageKit for now, since that's the standard for new versions of Kubuntu
[02:50] <jamesb_> K.. searched for Firefox.. not found.. omg..
[02:50] <Dragnslcr> In KPackageKit?
[02:50] <jamesb_> Found some.. I got a few to choose from..
[02:51] <jamesb_> I don't see anything about Shiretoko...
[02:51] <Dragnslcr> The package name is "firefox-3.5"
[02:53] <jamesb_> I installed abrowser.. it also installed a 3.0.13 version of Firefox.. but Abroswer seems to be the 3.5
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, that isn't what you want
[02:54] <Dragnslcr> Dunno what you searched for to get that to show up
[02:54] <jamesb_> So uninstall?
[02:54] <Dragnslcr> Yeah
[02:54] <Dragnslcr> Are you using KPackageKit?
[02:54] <jamesb_> Yes.. much easier btw..
[02:55] <Dragnslcr> Is the dropdown next to the search box set to "Find by name"?
[02:56] <jamesb_> drag
[02:56] <jamesb_> Dragnslcr:  yes..
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> Just type "firefox" into the search box and press enter, and the only packages that should come up will have "firefox" in the package name
[02:58] <jamesb_> Done..
[02:58] <Dragnslcr> Nothing about abrowser now?
[02:58] <jamesb_> No
[02:59] <Dragnslcr> Okay, good
[02:59] <jamesb_> I have a few choices for 3.5
[02:59] <Dragnslcr> You want the one that's called just "firefox-3.5"
[02:59] <Dragnslcr> Not -branding or -dev or anything
[03:00] <jamesb_> firefox-3.5 - 3.5.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (amd64)
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> Yup
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> That line will always be "name - version (architecture)"
[03:00] <jamesb_> It's installing other packages as "dependencies"...
[03:00] <jamesb_> 3.0.13 is in that list..
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, probably a bunch of GTK stuff
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I dunno why it has the 3.0 package as a dependency
[03:01] <jamesb_> I see Shiretoko!!!
[03:01] <jamesb_> 3.5.2!! Says it's a DEV build.. but looks good to me..
[03:02] <jamesb_> Dragnslcr:  thanks a million.... can you help me get flash player installed by chance?
[03:02] <Dragnslcr> Dev build? Weird
[03:03] <Dragnslcr> Package you want is flashplugin-installer
[03:03] <jamesb_> k
[03:03] <Dragnslcr> !info flashplugin-installer
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> If it doesn't show up, you might not have the multiverse repository enabled
[03:04] <jamesb_> Got it...
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> Nice
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> Saves me from having to try to explain how to enable the repository
[03:08] <jamesb_> Let me test and make sure I got it installed.. lol
[03:09] <jamesb_> tada!!!
[03:09] <jamesb_> Works beautifully..
[03:10] <jamesb_> Thanks a million Dragnslcr ... anything else you can recommend a first time EVER linux user could read or look at for tips?
[03:11] <Dragnslcr> My usual suggestion is to not be afraid to break stuff. Play with things to see what you can do
[03:11] <jamesb_> I'm good at that.. lol.. very good at that..
[03:11] <Dragnslcr> Fancy desktop effects are probably a good place to start
[03:12] <Dragnslcr> Can do a bunch of shiny, useless tricks
[03:12] <jamesb_> I have them turned on.. will tweak them in a bit.. see what I can do..  probably disable most of them..
[03:13] <Dragnslcr> You can look through the plasma widgets for interesting stuff too
[03:15] <Dragnslcr> One thing I have that I like is a panel on the left side of the screen that's set to auto-hide, and I have a Quicklaunch widget and a Quick Access widget to my ~/Desktop directory
[03:16] <jamesb_> Looks like I have a lot of tinkering..
[03:18] <Dragnslcr> Yup, there's a lot you can play with
[03:19] <jamesb_> I would say so.. gonna shut down and hook my secondary hard drive back up.. get some music going while I play around..
[03:19] <Dragnslcr> If you're doing any real work on the system yet, I'd also suggest keeping backups of stuff
[03:19] <jamesb_> ok..
[03:20] <Dragnslcr> Which is pretty easy to do, especially if you have a second hard drive available to use for it
[03:20] <jamesb_> Wonderful.. thanks for all the help Dragnslcr... much appreciated!!
[03:20] <Dragnslcr> Not a problem
[03:30] <jamesb_> I'm back!! LoL..
[03:31] <jamesb_> I have a ton of mp3's on a backup drive.. I can't get them to play after pluggin the drive into my SATA port..
[03:45] <vova> can anybody help with ircd-hybrid7?
[03:50] <kalp> Do i have to reinstall OS if my mother board is replaced?
[03:54] <kalp> Do i have to reinstall OS if my mother board is replaced?
[04:03] <white_pelican> I'm getting a strange error message starting tonight in regards to trying to play mp3 files in Amarok, under Jaunty Jackelope. the error message says "Amarok currently cannot play MP3 files." can someone please help?
[04:04] <white_pelican> and yes i already searched on the web
[04:10] <white_pelican> is there some here who can help with my question?
[04:17] <ManOMilk> white_pelicon
[04:17] <ManOMilk> reinstall amarok
[04:22] <kalp> Do i have to reinstall OS if my mother board is replaced?
[04:23] <maco> kalp: no
[04:23] <maco> if youre using onboard graphics and sound, you may have to configure those two, but thats about it
[04:23] <kalp> maco: thanks
[04:23] <maco> if theyre graphics and sound cards just plugged into mobo, youre good to go
[04:25] <uyjujh> jh
[04:49] <trakinas> can someone test if amarok can fetch a cover?
[05:00] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[05:01] <Psi-Jack> I just installed Ubuntu 9.04, added kubuntu-desktop, added KDE 4.3.1, and it's wierd because I started up pidgin, but pidgin isn't leaving a system tray icon to show/hide it.
[05:02] <Psi-Jack> Ahh nevermind.
[05:05] <|3Ill> hi
[05:37] <Zeik> How do i delete an item through the terminal?
[05:39] <trakinas> Zeik: rm item
[05:39] <trakinas> Zeik: if it is a direcotry rm -r
[05:40] <Zeik> trakinas: Thank you, i appreciate that.
[05:41] <trakinas> you are welcome
[05:42] <Zeik> Would you know how to fix the crash back to the KDM screen upon resolution change in 8.10?
[05:45] <LuisJa> how i can uninstall everything related to java in my system?
[05:45] <alexandernst> I'm trying to upgrade to amarok2.2 beta1 but I just cant. (I already added the repositories and updated) Whats wrong?
[05:47] <trakinas> LuisJa: depends on. JVM you would do: aptitude purge name-of-the-jde (it could be jdk also)
[05:47] <LuisJa> uhh?
[05:47] <LuisJa> i wanna uninstall and reinstall java again because i am not able to play runescape in this moment and i wanna see if reinstalling works :)
[05:47] <trakinas> you'd need to know which java packages you have installed. it scapes me the command to list every java package you ahve installed.
[05:48] <LuisJa> but what u mean?
[05:48] <LuisJa> oh..
[05:48] <LuisJa> damn
[05:48] <trakinas> LuisJa: like i said. you have to know which jde you have installed. try: aptitude search jvm
[05:50] <trakinas> LuisJa: trying with Java did not display too many results, so you could try
[05:50] <trakinas> the packages you have installed will have an 'i' next to it
[05:50] <LuisJa> didnt show anything...
[05:50] <LuisJa> uhh?
[05:50] <trakinas> LuisJa: aptitude search java
[05:51] <trakinas> then, aptitude purge name-of-the-package and after that aptitude install name-of-the-package
[05:51] <trakinas> but to only re-install, dpkg --reconfigure name-of-the-package
[05:53] <alexandernst> nm, I think I got it :)
[06:17] <wizzo50__> oh
[06:26] <navetz> guys does anyone know how i can get vmware server working with 9.04?
[07:11] <SilentDis> hello
[07:12] <SilentDis> getting a bit of a weird error.  Kubuntu 9.04, run aptitude update, get this: W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com jaunty-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[07:12] <SilentDis> not sure how to revoke and refresh that key though
[07:40] <RYDeN> holaaaaa
[07:40] <RYDeN> como andan?
[07:41] <RYDeN> de que pais son?
[07:41] <RYDeN> http://www.ryden.com.ar
[07:41] <bazhang> !ar | RYDeN
[07:42] <RYDeN> muchas graciasss!
[07:42] <RYDeN> =)
[08:30] <vivek> hi room
[08:30] <vivek> hey,,can anyone help me instaling kismet
[08:38] <javi> what's the diference between plasma-widget-networkmanagement and plasma-widget-network-manager?
[08:43] <kaddi> hi, my pc is blocking an update for mplayer. how can I check why it is blocked?
[10:30] <firsttimeuser> hi
[10:30] <firsttimeuser> iam not able to play any videos from kubuntu mplayer ,vlc or any player crashes with video
[10:32] <firsttimeuser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/265438/
[10:32] <firsttimeuser> it is a intel motherboard ...
[10:33] <firsttimeuser> please help
[10:34] <firsttimeuser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/265441/
[10:38] <lakis1982> does anyone use vlc... I ha a problem i cant solve...whenever i open a video, vlc opens in twe seperate windows ... the one window shows the video output and the other window shows the interface of vlc with its controls....  how can i integrate thoses videos so that vlc open in one window and looks like  e.g  Windows media player .....  please help me...
[10:40] <shadeslayer> lakis1982: thats a known bug
[10:40] <shadeslayer> lakis1982: fixed in karmic
[10:40] <shadeslayer> firsttimeuser_: can you see video?
[10:40] <lakis1982> can u send me a link of that bug ???
[10:40] <lakis1982> i can see video
[10:40] <firsttimeuser_> no icannot see any video
[10:40] <shadeslayer> lakis1982: ill have to search for it
[10:41] <firsttimeuser_> if i try to open using command line i can here voice
[10:41] <lakis1982> but vlc opens 2 windows .. one window is the video output ( xvideo output)   and the other windows is the vlc GUI which shows only the controls.
[10:41] <firsttimeuser_> but if i click on file player just closes
[10:41] <shadeslayer> !ihc
[10:41] <leaf-sheep> lakis1982: I can confirm that shadeslayer is correct about the split-window bug.
[10:42] <lakis1982> so its a problem of ubuntu and not of vlc...
[10:42] <shadeslayer> !sound | firsttimeuser_
[10:42] <firsttimeuser_> i can play mp3 ..only video problems
[10:43] <leaf-sheep> lakis1982: Jaunty?
[10:43] <lakis1982> yes
[10:43] <lakis1982> i have kubuntu jaunty
[10:43] <firsttimeuser_> when i googled i heard that there is some new intel video driver added in kubuntu latest version
[10:43] <firsttimeuser_> which might be causing the issue
[10:43] <leaf-sheep> lakis1982: This is the VLC PPA I'm using.  It'll fix your issue.  http://pastebin.com/f6a572e9f
[10:44] <shadeslayer> lakis1982: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1134536
[10:44] <lakis1982> aa nice.. let me check it
[10:46] <lakis1982> leaf sheep .. what should i do with that copy link you sent me.. it contains some repositories ...
[10:46] <shadeslayer> lakis1982: add them to your sources
[10:46] <lakis1982> and then ?
[10:46] <shadeslayer> and then upgrade or install the new vlc
[10:46] <leaf-sheep> lakis1982: Add the key. ;o
[10:47] <lakis1982> you mean the version 1.0.0 ?
[10:47] <shadeslayer> leaf-sheep: is it a upgrade repo? or a new vlc altogether?
[10:47] <leaf-sheep> shadeslayer: lakis1982: "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/source
[10:47] <leaf-sheep> Err.
[10:47] <leaf-sheep> shadeslayer: 1.0.2~git+20090811-0ubuntu1~kow1
[10:48] <shadeslayer> probably a upgrade
[10:50] <leaf-sheep> lakis1982: "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vlc-kow.list" --> Copy everything in the pastebin. "sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 2F021AC1 ; sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade"
[10:51] <leaf-sheep> lakis1982: When you're done, do update + full-upgrade again to ensure that everything is not broken.
[10:53] <firsttimeuser_> i belive iam facing same proble m http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1172045
[10:54] <firsttimeuser_> but there is no solution listed
[10:54] <firsttimeuser_> :-(
[11:02] <firsttimeuser_> thanks guys
[11:28] <amgarchIn9> how to downgrade plasma-widget-network* after yesterday's updates?
[11:29] <jawez> salut tout l'monde
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> amgarchIn9: you'll need a repo with the older version on. or if you havent cleaned out out you can install the old version using those debs
[11:32] <amgarchIn9> ActionParsnip: found them in /var/cache/apt/archives ...
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> amgarchIn9: cool, uninstall the new version then install the older one with those debs
[11:44] <javi> hi, i can't connect to my wifi lan after upgrading plasma-widget-networmanagement and plasma-widget-network-manager
[11:44] <javi> anyone else with this problem?
[12:08] <pepo_> asd
[12:08] <pepo_> asd
[12:08] <pepo_> asd
[12:08] <shadeslayer> pepo_: stop!
[12:09] <pepo_> ok
[12:09] <pepo_> i'm tryn
[12:09] <pepo_> bot?
[12:09] <shadeslayer> pepo_: why are you flooding the channel?
[12:09] <bazhang> !it | pepo_
[12:09] <shadeslayer> nope
[12:10] <bigdrummer> Don't now
[12:10] <bigdrummer> I tried sommethin out
[12:11] <mblenton> Hi, I just started Kubuntu 9.04 for the first time (long time suse user). Is there some 9.10 preview version available? thanks
[12:11] <pepo_> www.squat.forumcommunity.net
[12:12] <bazhang> pepo_, dont paste that here
[12:12] <mmauder> mblenton: do you want to upgrade or would you like a live cd?
[12:12] <mblenton> mmauder, a live cd...
[12:13] <mmauder> mblenton: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-September/000612.html
[12:13] <mblenton> mmauder, actually, I'm looking for a distribution to switch to from opensuse 10.3, which is now 'end of life', and kubuntu would probably be my choice
[12:13] <mmauder> mblenton: this is a direct link to the kubuntu karmic alpha 5 live cds: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-5/
[12:14] <mmauder> mblenton: see if you like it :)
[12:14] <mblenton> mmauder, I see, thanks... so far Kubuntu is winning, but I'll have to wait for opensuse 11.2 too
[12:14] <mmauder> mblenton: why do you want to go from an ancient distro to one that's not even out yet though? ;)
[12:15] <mblenton> mmauder, I use linux for my everyday business and a stable distribution is a must, but as 10.3 is outdated now I need to upgrade. I'll, of course, upgrade when official release is available
[12:16] <mblenton> mmauder, kubuntu will be available during october, opensuse 11.2 during november, so it's time for sneak-previews :-)
[12:16] <mmauder> mblenton: don't tell my boss, but I have been using karmic on the job for a month now... no real problems. but stay with released versions to be safe!
[12:18] <mblenton> mmauder, of course, that's why I'm on suse 10.3, which is, well, pretty old. however, I still didn't catch all the ubuntu lingo, what's karmic and so on (but I'm a fast learner .-)
[12:19] <mmauder> mblenton: karmic is the codename for *buntu 9.10
[12:20] <mmauder> mblenton: if you used kde on suse the difference wont be all that great... or was suse 10.3 still using kde-3?
[12:20] <mblenton> mmauder, one more question: is it possible to add additional software repositories to a livecd linux? e.g. this kubuntu 9.04 i'm running right now? for example, I'd like to install yakuake but the software installer doesn't find it
[12:20] <mblenton> mmauder, 10.3 is still kde 3.5, right
[12:21] <mmauder> mblenton: sure, no real difference to a "real" system... the file you want to modify is /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:21] <mmauder> mblenton: need help finding a yakuake repository?
[12:22] <mblenton> mmauder, one reason why I'm still on 10.3 is that kde 3.5 works really good, and as far as I can see, kde 4.3 is actually the first really really usable edition. (while still missing some nice features from 3.5)
[12:22] <mblenton> mmauder, yes, help would be greatly appreciated :-)
[12:23] <mmauder> mblenton: you need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the '#' in front of any line containing "universe"
[12:24] <mmauder> mblenton: then run "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install yakuake"
[12:24] <mmauder> mblenton: hope you are not into GUIs too much ;)
[12:24] <mmauder> mblenton: but seeing as you want to use yakuake i assume you're comfortable with a cli
[12:24] <mblenton> mmauder, well, to be honest... yes, I prefer GUI (what to tell, I'm too old for CLI and kernel recompilations :-)
[12:25] <mmauder> mblenton: uhm... well, my turn being honest: I have no idea how to do this a gui way...
[12:25] <mblenton> mmauder, but I know how to use CLI of course
[12:25] <mblenton> mmauder, there's no vim on this live cd .... hmmmm....
[12:25] <mblenton> :-)
[12:26] <mmauder> mblenton: I consider the absence of vim a bug ;)
[12:26] <mblenton> mmauder, agreed .-)
[12:27] <mblenton> mmauder, well, universe is already uncommented (via gui, obviously). now running install...
[12:27] <mblenton> mmauder, not found. hm...
[12:27] <mblenton> let me update first :-)
[12:28] <mmauder> mblenton: weird... did you run "apt-get update" after uncommenting the universe
[12:28] <mmauder> mblenton: I see ;)
[12:29] <mblenton> mmauder, I believe I went through those steps via gui package installer, but maybe it has some issues... update's working now, we'll see
[12:30] <mblenton> mmauder, opensuse 11.2 preview live cd is much ritcher on installed software, but as long as ubuntu provides the installations, i'm fine with that. and i guess it does
[12:31] <mmauder> mblenton: iirc one of the concepts ubuntu pioneered was _not_ shipping with a load of software by default. so I guess it's a virtue ;)
[12:31] <mblenton> mmauder, yakuake is installed! thanks
[12:31] <mmauder> mblenton: you are welcome!
[12:32] <mblenton> mmauder, well, that's something probably discussed many many times. I like having it all in one place (the suse way)
[12:33] <mblenton> mmauder, but i like how ubuntu has consistent appearance (a nightmare on suse 11.0 and 11.1 with kde3.5 and kde 4.x mix)
[12:33] <mmauder> mblenton: yeah thats comfy ;) as you note as long as the packages are there (and the software is free in so many ways) the difference really isnt all that great
[12:34] <mblenton> mmauder, agreed
[12:34] <mmauder> mblenton: really, what kde3 software are they still shipping?
[12:35] <mblenton> mmauder, I believe they used to ship both kde 3.5 and kde 4.x, as kde 4 wasn't prime-time-ready at the time
[12:35] <mblenton> mmauder, and additionally, not all kde 3.5 applications were ported to kde 4
[12:35] <mmauder> mblenton: oh, I missunderstood then. suse 11 is kinda oldish then? ;)
[12:36] <mblenton> mmauder, and you had to e.g. adjust fonts in three different control centers (kde 3.5, kde4, gtk).
[12:36] <mblenton> suse 11.0 is pretty old, 11.1 is about a year old, or so
[12:37] <mmauder> mblenton: and the difference between 11.0 and 11.1 is of a different nature than that between 11.x and 12.0?
[12:37] <mmauder> mblenton: and you thought you came here to _learn_ about a distro, not teach it ;)
[12:39] <mblenton> mmauder, 11.2 is in active development right now, don't know about v12. anyway, I'm not sure about their naming politics, but I guess they just pack what's available at the time, maintaining active development and new releases each year or so
[12:40] <mblenton> mmauder, e.g. suse 11.1 was announced on dec.18. 2008, and 11.2 will be available on nov.19.2009 or so
[12:40] <mmauder> mblenton: I see
[12:41] <mblenton> mmauder, opensuse was announced on October 4th, 2007... ugh :-)
[12:41] <mmauder> mblenton: i guess version numbers aren't really all that meaningful for a distribution anyway. as it is upstream that really counts
[12:41] <mblenton> mmauder, but it's actively maintained, so I have all the recent software, kernels and so
[12:43] <mblenton> mmauder, exactly, and now 10.3 repositories are going down and I'd have to upgrade to 11.something (as some core features are changed), but I don't like upgrading the core (x, kde, and so on). I go with fresh install then
[12:47] <mblenton> mmauder, another question, please :-) I see that firefox 3.5 is now available after repository updates, but it's not offered as upgrade, at least not in the gui installer. any special reason for that?
[12:47] <mmauder> mblenton: is it a separate package from the "normal" firefox maybe? updates are only offered for new version of the same package
[12:48] <bazhang> !ff35
[12:48] <bazhang> the explanation is above mblenton
[12:49] <mblenton> mmauder, I don't know, I already upgraded ffox 3.0.8 to 3.0.11 automatically, but now I see 3.1.x and 3.5.2... probably from different repositories
[12:49] <Ejdesgaard|> hi, how do i enable X11 over tcp in 9.10?
[12:49] <bazhang> Ejdesgaard|, #ubuntu+1 for karmic support
[12:49] <mblenton> thanks, guys, I guess the originating repository is also taken into consideration when looking for upgrades
[12:56] <jonah1980> hey guys how do you force a package version from terminal. i have kernel 2.6.28-15-generic. recently an update updated it from 2.6.28-15.49 to .51.  now i just get a blank screen on boot. my machine has to use kernel 2.6.28-15 to work at all due to intel chipset it uses, so i just need to force the package version to .49 like i normally would in synaptic! how can i do this from recovery terminal please help??
[12:58] <bazhang> jonah1980, when you say 'package', you mean the kernel?
[13:00] <jonah1980> bazhang: yeah i guess so, but the package is 2.6.28-15-generic, but i need to specify the version to downgrade it to .49...
[13:11] <DT_> !virtual machine
[13:11] <DT_> !vmware
[13:12] <DT_> okay..not what i'm looking for -_-
[13:12] <mblenton> mmauder, yet another question, if possible, please
[13:12] <mmauder> mblenton: don't ask to ask :)
[13:14] <mblenton> mmauder, ehh... hehe... okay, installing nvidia drivers on a livecd - what to install? and it would problably require the X restart
[13:14] <mblenton> mmauder, I run lenovo R61.
[13:15] <mblenton> mmauder, i know, a pretty vague question :-)
[13:16] <mmauder> mblenton: sorry, I better pass on this one, i'm not using a nvidia card. and I am not sure you can log out from your life session without having the system shut down automatically
[13:16] <mblenton> mmauder, yes, that's what bothers me, automatic shutdown
[13:17] <rabidweezle> won't work from a live cd unless you made the live cd yourself
[13:17] <mmauder> mblenton: you seem to invest a lot into a very temporary situation. sure you don't wanna try a test installation?
[13:17] <rabidweezle> nvidia drivers require a reboot
[13:17] <the_madman> Hello everyone.
[13:18] <rabidweezle> hi
[13:18] <the_madman> I'm making a KDE development environment, but when I run cmake for kdesupport, it complains that no Soprano backends will be built.
[13:18] <mblenton> mmauder, rabidweezle, I'm trying to preserve my existing system. after all, my whole job depends on it.
[13:18] <mblenton> mmauder, rabidweezle, thank you both
[13:19] <rabidweezle> mblenton: then install on a usb hard drive
[13:19] <rabidweezle> and boot off usb
[13:19] <mblenton> rabidweezle, good idea! not sure though if I would be able to boot from USB. have to check that
[13:19] <rabidweezle> check your bios :)
[13:20] <the_madman> So I wondered what is required to compile support for the Soprano back-ends Redland and Sesame2 on Kubuntu...?
[13:20] <khoubeib___> hi, do you recommend me to use wicd to manage my network connections ?( i use KDE 4.3.1, jaunty)
[13:20] <the_madman> khoubeib___: In most situations, wicd is fine.
[13:20] <khoubeib___> thanks
[13:21] <the_madman> khoubeib___: But if you use mobile broadband (I.E. Dongle), use nm-applet.
[13:21] <khoubeib___> ok , thank you
[13:21] <the_madman> I never figured out whether wicd supports wireless broadband... if it does, though, I couldn't find out how.
[13:22] <rabidweezle> like cellular?
[13:22] <the_madman> cellular?
[13:22] <rabidweezle> you know, like 3g usb adaptors for laptops
[13:22] <the_madman> Oh, yes. Those.
[13:23] <the_madman> I couldn't get a dongle working with Wicd the last time I tried.
[13:23] <the_madman> Last note: if you're going to install Wicd, uninstall networkmanager as well. They seem to conflict with each other.
[13:24] <shadowhywind> hay all I have a small problem, I can't mute my system
[13:24] <subchee> hello
[13:24]  * the_madman waves
[13:24] <rabidweezle> shadowhywind: the mixer isn't working at all?
[13:25] <shadowhywind> rabidweezle: the mixer sliders are working, the only mute I have is for master, which i set as the master channel. But that mute does not work
[13:25] <rabidweezle> adk
[13:26] <the_madman> shadowhywind: Have you tried opening the mixer window and muting PCM as well?
[13:26] <rabidweezle> well, I guess you could always stick in a pair of headphones (I know it sounds lame, and it isn't a fix)
[13:26] <shadowhywind> the_madman: thats the thing, PCM does not have a mute
[13:26] <the_madman> shadowhywind: Huoh. That's not normal.
[13:26] <shadowhywind> the_madman: thats what I thought
[13:27] <shadowhywind> even in alsamixer theres no mute
[13:27] <the_madman> shadowhywind: So to be clear: sliding the volume sliders actually changes the volume, but the mute checkbox doesn't work?
[13:27] <rabidweezle> my wife has the exact opposite happen to her laptop, her's mutes without her asking XD
[13:27] <shadowhywind> (I can't even figure out a way to mute/unmute from alsamixer
[13:27] <shadowhywind> the_madman: exactly
[13:27] <shadowhywind> rabidweezle: lol
[13:27] <mblenton> mmauder, still another question .-) is it possible to upgrade this livecd to kde 4.3? i see only 4.2.2. I don't mind loosing it all after turning it of. this is still just a test
[13:28] <the_madman> shadowhywind: And sliding the master's slider to the bottom doesn't mute either?
[13:28] <shadowhywind> rabidweezle: wanna switch laptops!
[13:28] <rabidweezle> if yours has an nvidia and a dual core sure XD
[13:28] <shadowhywind> the_madman: well it does a "mute" because theres no volumn, but its not the idle solution
[13:28] <shadowhywind> rabidweezle: its 64-bit even! hehe
[13:28] <the_madman> shadowhywind: Yes, I know. I just wondered.
[13:28] <rabidweezle> so is hers
[13:29] <mmauder> mblenton: try this: http://svenseidel.net/blog/2009/ppa-fur-kde-in-jaunty/ again, requires logging out. not sure thats possible
[13:29] <mmauder> mblenton: german, yeah, but the commands at the bottom are what matters :)
[13:29] <the_madman> shadowhywind: What laptop are you using?
[13:30] <mmauder> mblenton: http://linuxologist.com/linuxhowto/howto-install-kde-4-3-on-ubuntu-jaunty/
[13:30] <shadowhywind> the_madman: an HP g60
[13:30] <mblenton> mmauder, thanks! it seems that I'll have to install it on a usb drive.
[13:30] <mmauder> mblenton: I'd advise you to do that :)
[13:30] <rabidweezle> I'm using a compaq cq-60 XD, we are like brother laptops XD
[13:31] <shadowhywind> the_madman: a g60t-200 if that helps any (just got the laptop yesterday, and never looked at the model number, i feel so ashamed)
[13:31] <mblenton> mmauder, thank you for your help. now it's time to do some biking, the rain just stopped, it would be nicelly wet and muddy hehe
[13:31] <mblenton> thank you all, this is one great support channel
[13:32] <mblenton> cheers
[13:32] <rabidweezle> naw, the forums are the greatest XD
[13:32] <rabidweezle> I'm heading to bed, be well all
[13:32] <the_madman> shadowhywind: Nice laptop :P
[13:33] <shadowhywind> the_madman: thanks, and i didn't have to pay a penny for it.. hehe
[13:33] <the_madman> shadowhywind: Erm, I really can't think of much to suggest. If it's a new laptop with a new user, then...
[13:33] <shadowhywind> the_madman: i should pop the install cd back in and see if the same thing happens
[13:33] <the_madman> shadowhywind: I suppose you could check against a Gnome Ubuntu LiveCD to see if it's a KDE-specific problem...
[13:34] <the_madman> Or against a Kubuntu LiveCD, yes.
[13:34] <shadowhywind> I guess I should be happy that I have sound at least, my old laptop (hp dv6000), I would constantly have problems with the sounds coming out of both headphones and speakers
[13:35] <the_madman> :P
[13:35] <the_madman> I'm not actually sure, but I think Pulseaudio has caused problems for a few people...
[13:35] <shadowhywind> think if i reconfigured the alsa packages installed that might help?
[13:36] <the_madman> I ran a Gentoo machine before going back to Kubuntu, and Pulseaudio on Kubuntu caused a problem (yes, just 1) where Gentoo with Alsa didn't.
[13:38] <shadowhywind> ah
[13:38] <mblenton> mmauder, rabidweezle, - logout works, obviously- the system is not restarted. i even restarted X - so it would probably be possible to install nvidia drivers and upgrade KDE while still running livecd
[13:38] <mmauder> mblenton: good to know, thanks
[13:38] <mblenton> now it's time to do so hill climbings. cheers
[13:40] <shadowhywind> well this is interesting, I went over to the alsa channel seeing if they had any ideas, to find out that kubuntu says my Processor is "unknown" hehe
[13:57] <cuznt> so instaLLING as kde64 bit what is different? just the graphics or is there other benefits?
[13:58] <jtheuer> theretically more speed at the cost of extra pain
[14:00] <cuznt> pain? when i was in the marine corps they said pain was good.... but i dont know
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:24] <jtheuer> if you'd been in the corps then I'd recommend SPARQ or ARM rather then amd64 or i386
[14:25] <jtheuer> and the unstable ppa, of course
[14:26] <the_madman> So for some reason, Strigi won't run in the Desktop Search KCM. Clean Kubuntu install.
[14:27] <the_madman> OK, no, hardly a clean Kubuntu install...
[14:27] <marco> Is Recomended to update from Kde 4.2.4 to Kde 4.3.1?
[14:27] <the_madman> marco: It's worth it, but also not as well supported.
[14:28] <marco> the_madman so thinking in stability is better kde 4.2.4?
[14:28] <the_madman> marco: Yes.
[14:32] <the_madman> What is required to make Nepomuk/Strigi work in KDE 4.3?
[14:38] <marco> why when adding google calendar widgets apperas this: Google Calendar Plasma widget
[14:38] <marco> ?
[14:39] <Bou> the_madman : have you activated it in the system settings?
[14:39] <Bou> the_madman: in my case, it was unchecked, so inactive
[14:39] <the_madman> Bou: Yes, but Strigi won't start.
[14:39] <the_madman> One second.
[14:40] <Bou> the_madman: how do you check it's starting or not?
[14:40] <marco> why when adding google calendar widgets apperas this: could not create a python scriptengine for teh google calendar?
[14:40] <Bou> marco: try asking on #plasma
[14:41] <Bou> marco: or on #kde
[14:41] <eFeLoN> Hi all
[14:41] <eFeLoN> âñìûñëå ïðèâåò âñåì
[14:42] <the_madman> It says, "Strigi service failed to initialize, most likely due to an installation problem."
[14:42] <eFeLoN> ×åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ Êóáóíòó îò Óáóíòó?
[14:43] <kloplop> does anyone know how to get pidgin's icon in the status bar with the other applications in kubuntu?
[14:43] <kaddi> !ru
[14:43] <kloplop> nevermind.
[14:44] <the_madman> Also, the microblogging widget doesn't show friend's updates in Kubuntu. Did in Gentoo...
[14:45] <Mist_> I started krfb that comes with Kubuntu 9.04. Then I connect to the box and all goes fine, but screen seem distorted, nothing happens when I press on things with pointer and so on. What is it I am doing wrong? I am using XTightVNCViewer from another 9.04 box to connect to it btw.
[14:45] <the_madman> And the, "configure" button stays around in Kubuntu while it didn't upstream.
[14:47] <Mist_> Maybe I should tru some of the other vnc clients in repo.. hmm..?
[14:47] <kaddi> if I have a variable $var="3,4" in commandline, how can I split it up to have $var1=3 and $var2=4. Should I use awk or is there an easier way?
[14:50] <pepo_> http://squat.forumcommunity.net/
[14:51] <pepo_> http://squat.forumcommunity.net/
[14:51] <bazhang> pepo_, dont paste that here
[14:51] <pepo_> ok
[14:51] <pepo_> i search italian server sorry
[14:52] <Mist_> KRDC same thing.. view is like segmented and nothing happens when trying to control the remote box.. =/
[14:53] <javi> anyone having problems with the last update of plasma-widget-networmanagement?
[14:55] <Mist_> its like.. remote box refuse me to control it, even if it is told that clients should be... geesh I get so tired of all these small problems all the time with everything almost.. problems that shouldn't be there..
[14:56] <the_madman> javi: Nope, I removed it an use nm-applet.
[14:56] <the_madman> javi: ;)
[14:57] <the_madman> javi: Yes, I think there are problems with plasma-widget-networkmanagement, but remember that it's unstable.
[14:57] <Peace-> plasma widget networkstuff is unstable expecially if you have low signals
[14:57] <Peace-> xD
[14:57] <Peace-> it crashes
[14:57] <Peace-> instead near the router it works...
[14:58] <guitar431> Is there a page what has an history log for security holes of kubuntu?
[15:00] <pepo_> ma porco dio il server italiano??
[15:01] <kaddi> !it
[15:01] <Mist_> the_madman: it is a problem with it. Just purge it from the install, and edit the /etc/networking/ config and resolv.conf with dns servers to static network settings. Sad it doesn't work. Such things should be top prio and working 100% when a distro is released ;P
[15:02] <Mist_> Note: Kubuntu team doing a good job above that ^^
[15:02] <Mist_> What do most of you use as vnc server under kubuntu?
[15:03] <the_madman> Mist_: I'm on a laptop and switch between College and home often.
[15:03] <the_madman> Mist_: Most of us use a vnc server? O.o
[15:04] <the_madman> Mist_: And I'll sympathize: the policykit/kpackagekit integration is just brilliant, and I'm glad the Kubuntu guys did it well.
[15:04] <Mist_> Seem the krfb doesn't work as intended for me. Doesn't allow clients to control the remote desktop at all. I told it it should so.. hmm..
[15:04] <divx> kubuntu noob here, when I install a new theme from rightclick/apperance/new theme, and when i use it; how come it only changes the color of the taskbar and doesnt get the desired look, any suggestions?
[15:05] <Mist_> Maybe I should just go 4vncserver and figure it out how it works etc.. ouff
[15:05] <Mist_> the_madman: he he.. was more a question.. if you guys use remote control, what do most of you use :P
[15:06] <the_madman> Mist_: :P
[15:06] <the_madman> Mist_: I'm evil. :P
[15:06] <Mist_> You are Sparta :P
[15:06] <divx> ouch
[15:06] <s3mp4ck> alow
[15:07] <avihay_> divx: I've expirienced a similar problem, sometimes my theme doesn't change the right way, specific themes seems to be the problem. I usualy close the settings window and reopen it
[15:08] <s3mp4ck> I can't install ati driver on kubuntu 9.04
[15:08] <avihay_> Mist_: I prefer to use the x-server x-client architecture
[15:08] <s3mp4ck> any help?
[15:08] <Mist_> avihay: mm.. sounds like the way I am used to back in the 1999-2001 :)
[15:08] <avihay_> but I'm not sure if that is what you want
[15:09] <Mist_> Mostly I just want to control the media streams on the machine and ktorrent ;)
[15:10] <Guest43226> is there anyone in here that can help me figure out why my "dd" command gives me an input/output error?
[15:10] <Mist_> But atm.. configure the machine from remote instead of sitting bent down at it in a smaller space :)
[15:10] <divx> Avihay_: well i was only wondering that getting the same look as depicted in the preview was a bit of a hassle, you see I didnt get the correspoding wallpaper to the theme (which was showed in the preview) with it, also the widgets and synchronization should be done manually..in conclusion, individual settings work best. :|
[15:12] <Mist_> AH! here we go.. it is the desktop effects that frack me over! they should really put that in the help file for it! geesh!
[15:12] <Mist_> Didnt even think of I had it enabled...
[15:13] <divx> Mist_: i already said i was  a noob, no need for sarcasm mate
[15:15] <Mist_> he hee
[15:16] <divx> -.-
[15:16] <Mist_> I am a noob reloaded these days.. been doing Linux since 1993 and I am like.. like a soap dropping noob bent over it feels like again :P Except for the basic shell stuff :P
[15:17] <divx> Ah, ofcourse.
[15:18] <divx> I started in 2009 so..soap or no soap, im pretty dirty. he
[15:18] <Mist_> :D
[15:21] <divx> how do i add another irc server on here? o.o
[15:25] <pepo_> add
[15:28] <bobby> hello, i am not able to connect to my WEP enabled wifi router using kubuntu 9.04. It keeps prompting for the password. Any workaround for this?
[15:28] <pepo__> u can use wicd
[15:29] <avihay_> it sounds more like a password in hex vs ascii...
[15:41] <bobby> avihay_ nope
[15:41] <bobby> pepo__ wicd! the default network manger is fail??
[15:41] <bobby> avihay_ it is ascii, and it does not take it
[15:41] <bobby> works fine in both gnome and vista
[16:03] <heidi> Hello,is there one user from germany??
[16:03] <phh> !de
[16:03] <heidi> Thanks
[16:04] <bobby> hello, i am not able to connect to my WEP enabled wifi router using kubuntu 9.04 on my laptop. It keeps prompting for the passphrase(ascii). Any workaround for this?
[16:11] <Danpizza> Ciao a tutti-
[16:12] <lukas___> Hi, I have strange problem with my kubuntu installation - it seems that even the start of KDE is terribly slowed - the load shows 19 level, but no CPU heavy application is running. Could anyone help?
[16:13] <daeron> hi everyone
[16:13] <lukas___> So, my computer is in overload but there seems to be no reason for it
[16:14] <daeron> i've got a problem today coz my network manager stops working and i don't know how to rescue it!
[16:14] <daeron> it seems not able to connet to my wireless lan
[16:15] <lukas___> daeron: I would try to reinstall it, what does it show?
[16:15] <daeron> i've done that twice
[16:16] <daeron> byt nothing has changed
[16:16] <bazhang> daeron, can you get to a konsole?
[16:16] <daeron> do u want the output of what exctly?
[16:17] <lukas___> daeron: have you changed something in /etc/network/ ?
[16:17] <lukas___> daeron: I mean by hand
[16:17] <bazhang> daeron, ifconfig
[16:17] <lukas___> bazhang: and iwconfig
[16:19] <daeron> no, i didn't change anything
[16:20] <bazhang> daeron, do you see eth0 wlan0 and lo there ?
[16:20] <daeron> yes i can
[16:21] <bazhang> daeron, is this an encrypted or open wifi spot
[16:21] <daeron> i can see all the regular wireless lan i've always seen
[16:21] <daeron> it's my private encrypted wi-lan
[16:21] <daeron> now i'm chatting from another pc which use that same wireless lan
[16:22] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 daeron here is a helpful thread on getting it going manually
[16:23] <lukas___> daeron: have you tried to start it manually?
[16:23] <daeron> how!?
[16:24] <bazhang> daeron, you will need to associate with the hotspot, enter the password, all outlined in the link ^^
[16:25] <daeron> there's another problem
[16:25] <daeron> i don't have the system tray icon of knetwork manager, but the ones of gnome!
[16:26] <lukas___> daeron: with ifconfig, iwconfig
[16:26] <bazhang> daeron, lets solve one issue at a time please
[16:26] <MilhousePunkrock> Hello everyone!
[16:27] <MilhousePunkrock> Is there a way to make knetworkmanager use another wallet other than the deafault wallet?
[16:27] <daeron> ok
[16:28] <lukas___> daeron: look, there may be several issues, have you tried to restart NetworkManager or the whole computer?
[16:28] <daeron> many times
[16:29] <lukas___> daeron: and how?
[16:29] <lukas___> daeron: I mean restarting network
[16:29] <daeron_> nothing changed
[16:30] <lukas___> daeron: which command have you tried?
[16:30] <daeron_> sorry, i'm here now
[16:30] <lukas___> daeron_: np
[16:30] <bazhang> daeron_, have you checked the link I gave you?
[16:30] <daeron_> yes i'm reading
[16:30] <lukas___> bazhang: no, ... wait could you repaste?
[16:31] <lukas___> bazhang: ah, sorry
[16:31] <lukas___> :-)
[16:31] <bazhang> :)
[16:31] <daeron_> no, it does it again
[16:31] <daeron_> now it seems to work
[16:31] <lukas___> I have some problem, I am not able to make my nvidia glx drivers running as jockey allwas gives me critical err
[16:32] <lukas___> and module-assistant seems to miss some repositories which is strange
[16:33] <mwe> Just giving Quassel a test drive
[16:34] <minche> ello
[16:34] <minche> can anyone help me, i can't install amarok 2.2
[16:35] <Mamarok> minche: 2.2 beta 1 you mean? I didn't even know there was a Jaunty package yet
[16:35] <daeron> i can't believe it! everytime wireless doesn't work in a pc, when i turn on the other, then it works!
[16:35] <daeron> it's not the first time it happens!
[16:35] <trakinas> minche: are you using svn or package?
 https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta i did all this
 and nothing =(
[16:36] <Mamarok> trakinas: Amarok doesn't use SVN anymore since 2 months
[16:36] <trakinas> Mamarok: let me correct: are you using git?
[16:36] <trakinas> =P
[16:36] <trakinas> not you, minche.
[16:37] <Mamarok> trakinas: I use git since ages, yes
[16:37] <minche> what's git?
[16:37] <trakinas> that answers my question
[16:37] <Mamarok> minche: what Kubuntu version do you have?
[16:37] <trakinas> Mamarok: I use both. where I work we use SVN and with my own projects me and my mates we use git.
[16:38] <Mamarok> trakinas: there is no updates on SVN since 2 months, you should abandon that :)
[16:38] <minche> jaunty
[16:39] <trakinas> Mamarok: I can't take this decision. Im a mare intern there.
[16:39] <Mamarok> minche: I don't think there is a package for Jaunty for Amarok 2.2. beta 1
[16:39] <trakinas> if that makes sense in english... lol
[16:39] <minche> "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu jaunty main
[16:39] <minche> " it says jaunty there
[16:39] <trakinas> minche: paste bin the errors you are getting.
[16:39] <Mamarok> minche: hm, let me have a look
[16:39] <minche> there are no errors
[16:40] <trakinas> minche: how so??
[16:40] <minche> i just add PPA and do the update, but it still installs amarok 2.0
[16:41] <trakinas> minche: you have to disable the reps where the official amarok is, I guess.
[16:41] <Mamarok> minche: there is a package in the expermintal PPA only, not in the one you are using
[16:41] <minche> and where is that =/
[16:41] <trakinas> minche: have you added these sources to you source.list?
[16:42] <minche> yes
[16:42] <Mamarok> minche: check here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[16:42] <minche> i mean, i added it in software sources O_o
[16:42] <Mamarok> trakinas: he needs the experimental PPA, and this is not exactly recommended btw
[16:42] <minche> *she
[16:42] <Mamarok> minche: sorry
[16:43] <Mamarok> minche: are you familiar with installations from an experimental PPA? If not, you should wait for Karmic
[16:43] <trakinas> Mamarok: it is not, but if he wants to... he!
[16:43] <trakinas> minche: I agree with Mamork on that
[16:43] <minche> yeah, but i did install from experimental PPA before
[16:44] <minche> and it always worked
[16:44] <minche> and i don't see why it doesnt install amarok 2.1 at least
[16:44] <minche> which is stable
[16:44] <Mamarok> minche: well, maybe it's just not available for your architecture, do you have 32 or 64 bit?
[16:44] <Mamarok> minche: 2.1 is in the backports PPA
[16:45] <trakinas> I may be wrong, but I think that apt looks first at your stable tree before trying testing/experimental/unstable trees.
[16:45] <Mamarok> and 2.1.1, the latest stable is in the regular jaunty-backports repository, not in the PPA
[16:45] <minche> yeah, but it installs 2.0
[16:45] <Mamarok> trakinas: no, default is to install the latest available package of the active sources
[16:45] <Mamarok> minche: read what I said above, please
[16:46] <trakinas> Mamarok: even though there are more than one tree avaiable?
[16:46] <Mamarok> 2.1 is in the backports PPA, 2.1.1 in the regular jaunty-backports repository
[16:46] <minche> yeah, but 2.1 is the latest stable version
[16:46] <minche> shouldn't it install it?
[16:46] <Mamarok> trakinas: unless you change the priorities in the package manager and apt-get settings, the default is the latest package
[16:46] <trakinas> Mamarok: hmmm... thanks for the info
[16:46] <Mamarok> minche: read what I wrote above, please!
[16:47] <minche> O_o
[16:47] <Mamarok> minche: if you want the latest stable version, you need to activate the jaunt-backports repo first
[16:48] <minche> how do i do that?
[16:48] <trakinas> you add the backport sources to your source.list
[16:48] <Mamarok> minche: by adding the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
[16:49] <Mamarok> deb minche deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[16:49] <Mamarok> sorry, typo: deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[16:49] <Mamarok> which is the Swiss mirror, for the main server, jsut remove the ch.
[16:50] <Mamarok> just*
[16:50] <trakinas> mine are commented already, so I just need to remove it if I want to.
[16:50] <trakinas> minche: and lemme ask you something - can you fecth covers from amazon?
[16:51] <marialetizia> !lissta
[16:51] <Mamarok> minche: if you don't want other packages to be installed from that repository, select amarok to be installed specifically, then disable the repository again
[16:51] <marialetizia> !lista
[16:51] <marialetizia> !addon
[16:51] <Mamarok> trakinas: Amazon changed the API, the covers are now fetched from last.fm, which should be in git already
[16:52] <Mamarok> trakinas: there is a patch for 2.1.1, but I don't know if it has been applied in the backports yet
[16:53] <trakinas> Mamarok: thanks!
[16:53] <Mamarok> trakinas: you are welcome :)
[16:54] <trakinas> Mamarok: which is the latest KDE on the reps? 4.3?
[16:55] <Mamarok> trakinas: 4.3.1, in the backports AFAIK
[16:55] <minche> it installed 2.1 now
[16:55] <Mamarok> backports PPA that is
[16:55] <Mamarok> minche: that should read 2.1.1 if it's from the repo I just gave you
[16:56] <minche> yeah, it does
[16:56] <Mamarok> trakinas: seaa also the channel topic :)
[16:56] <Mamarok> minche: good, that is the latest stable :)
[16:56] <trakinas> Mamarok: haha! sorry! =P
[16:56] <Mamarok> and 2.2 final will hopefully make it into Karmic :)
[16:56] <trakinas> i reported a bug yesterday related to accents on kopete and it was fixed on 4.3 and qt 4.5.2
[16:57] <minche> blah, it won't import collection from 1.4
[16:57] <Mamarok> minche: if you have a default SQLite database in 1.4 it should work without problems
[16:57] <Mamarok> minche: else please check on #amarok
[16:59] <minche> meh
[16:59] <minche> i think i'll just go back to 1.4
[16:59] <minche> and wait for karmic
[16:59] <minche> thanks
[16:59] <minche> for help
[17:00] <minche> ooh, it works ^^ it crashed but it imported the collection
[17:00] <minche> sweet
[17:00] <Mamarok> well I told you so :)
[17:01] <minche> now i just need to find out how to remove duplicates
[17:01] <minche> O_o
[17:02] <white_pelican> I'm getting a strange error message starting tonight in regards to trying to play mp3 files in Amarok, under Jaunty Jackelope. the error message says "Amarok currently cannot play MP3 files." I've already checked the web and have found nothing. Can someone please help?
[17:02] <Mamarok> white_pelican: which Amarok version?
[17:03] <Mamarok> oh, I should have read the whole sentence:
[17:03] <Mamarok> white_pelican: you need to install the codecs, it's in the package libxine1-ffmpeg
[17:03] <white_pelican> 1.4.10 osing kde 3.5.10
[17:03] <Mamarok> white_pelican: there is no 3.5 in Jaunty
[17:03] <white_pelican> let me check on that
[17:04] <white_pelican> actually, there is
[17:04] <white_pelican> it's a special repositiry bulit by timothy pearson
[17:04] <Mamarok> Junaty ships KDE 4.2.2 by default, you just use Amarok 1.4.10 which uses the KDE3 libs
[17:04] <minche> okay, amarok 2.1 is great
[17:04] <Mamarok> white_pelican: well, then ask him, we do not support KDE 3.5 in Jaunty
[17:04] <minche> *2.1.1
[17:05] <white_pelican> the codecs you mentioned are already installed
[17:06] <Mamarok> white_pelican: as I said, you use a non-supported installation, please ask the author
[17:06] <white_pelican> I refuse to be pushed into a DE and apps I simply don't like
[17:06] <Mamarok> white_pelican: then you should have stayed with Hardy, sorry
[17:06] <white_pelican> perhaps I should have
[17:07] <Mamarok> and if you use third-party packages you need to aske the named third-party author
[17:07] <Sqyber> whats the name of task that runs kubuntus "taskbar" ?
[17:07] <white_pelican> ok I will do that
[17:07] <Mamarok> Sqyber: the panel?
[17:07] <Sqyber> yea
[17:08] <minche> i only have one more question ^^
[17:08] <Mamarok> !ask | minche
[17:08] <nasrullah> hi to all
[17:08] <minche> uh, no, nvm
[17:09] <t-nor> hello
[17:10] <Mamarok> !hi | nasrullah, t-nor
[17:10] <t-nor> i have update package with kde 4.3.1 but i still have kde 4.2 plasma look
[17:10] <nasrullah> which browser is well compatible on kubuntu ?
[17:10] <Mamarok> t-nor: maybe you don't have installed the latest oxygen package then
[17:10] <Mamarok> nasrullah: konqueror, firefox, etc.
[17:11] <nasrullah> firefox 3.5 is it ok
[17:12] <Mamarok> nasrullah: well, yes, but please install it from the offical repositories
[17:12] <nasrullah> mamarok ,thank you
[17:13] <Mamarok> nasrullah: you are welcome :)
[17:13] <nasrullah> what about opera10
[17:13] <Mamarok> nasrullah: I don't know if there are already packages available, but it should work, too
[17:14] <nasrullah> mamarok ok
[17:14] <Mamarok> nasrullah: just checked, it should be available in the non-free section
[17:14] <nasrullah> from which country are you mamarok
[17:14] <Mamarok> nasrullah: I don't think that matters for support :)
[17:15] <nasrullah> i will do check
[17:17] <nasrullah>  i have just turn to kubuntu after my ubuntu desktop collapsed due to karmic..... mamarok
[17:17] <white_pelican> ok problem solved
[17:17] <white_pelican> turns out the files are corrupt
[17:17] <white_pelican> it plays regular mp3's just finme
[17:18] <white_pelican> fine*
[17:18] <white_pelican> I should have tested that last night
[17:18] <white_pelican> but I was too tired
[17:18] <white_pelican> I had a hunch the files were corrupt
[17:19] <white_pelican> I guess with amarok 2, it's so different from 1.4 that it would take time to adjust to the new program
[17:19] <white_pelican> that's the same for kde 4
[17:20] <white_pelican> it' just so different
[17:25] <minche> "gpg: keyserver timed out"
[17:25] <minche> =(
[17:25] <minche> what's that?
[17:26] <trakinas> minche: it couldn't reach the server with the key to identify the source. nothing that serious
[17:26] <minche> can it work without a key?
[17:27] <trakinas> minche: yes. it will just complain that it is not an identified source
[17:28] <Mamarok> minche: what gives you that message?
[17:28] <minche> the key for amarok 2.2 key
[17:28] <minche> O_o
[17:28] <minche> what i just said
[17:29] <minche> when i try to get key for amarok 2.2 PPA
[17:29] <Mamarok> ah, that's why you can't install it :)
[17:29] <Mamarok> it will ignore that source unless you have that key installed
[17:29] <minche> yeah, i just realized it
[17:29] <minche> but it always times out =/
[17:29] <Neremor> hello!
[17:29] <Mamarok> just try again, or try getting it from another keyserver
[17:30] <minche> what are another keyservers?
[17:30] <Neremor> I got a new PC today. In the product description was written, that the soundcard supports 5.1 output. Now i try to setup my 5.1 system with pulseaudio.
[17:30] <Mamarok> minche: well, you can just get the key from the command line like this:
[17:31] <Mamarok> gpg --recv 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[17:31] <Mamarok> without specifying the keyserver
[17:31] <Mamarok> then gpg shuld try another one
[17:32] <Mamarok> Neremor: Kubuntu Jaunty? Then you should avoid Pulseaudio, you don't need this for 5.1
[17:32] <Neremor> the Problem is: I have three channels on my soundcard, but not "front" "rear" and "center"... There is a green one for standard output, a blue one for line-in and a orange one for mic-in... My 5.1 system has three cables that i have to connect to my pc. But which cable should i connect to which slot?
[17:33] <Neremor> Mamarok: Don't i need it for simultanious audio output of two or more sources?
[17:33] <Mamarok> Neremor: well, read the documentation for your sund system :) I can't tell you from memory which colour does what, and I don't have such a card
[17:33] <minche> "gpg: no keyserver known"
[17:33] <Mamarok> Neremor: no, KDE doesn't use pulseaudio
[17:34] <Neremor> yes i know that kubuntu doesn't use it ;)
[17:34] <minche> "(use option --keyserver)
[17:34] <minche> "
[17:34] <Mamarok> minche: moment, I tell you another one then
[17:34] <Mamarok> Neremor: I have simultaneous sound without pulseadio
[17:34] <Neremor> ok
[17:34] <Neremor> then i will remove it
[17:35] <BluesKaj> trying to mount a permanent link to wifes' pc in fstab , so that it automounts when i login . I can access her pc with dolphin/network/wife-pc but I'd like to avoid the username & password dialog popup everytime I need access.I'v tried several tutorials now on this fstab entry but none are working after setting ecerything up and doing the sudo mount -a in the cli , get this , which soesn't make any sense , since I can access thru dolphin or
[17:35] <BluesKaj> konqueror :http://www.pastebin.ca/1555075
[17:35] <Neremor> then i have to configure alsa to support the 5.1 system?
[17:36] <Mamarok> minche: try that: gpg --kyeserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[17:36] <Mamarok> Neremor: no, normally üphonon does that automatically
[17:36] <Mamarok> phonon
[17:37] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: sorry, I never did this :(
[17:38] <Mamarok> ok, I call it a day, cu later
[17:38] <Neremor> but i don't have 5.1 sound so i don't suppose that it was done automatically ;)
[17:38] <minche> "gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found"
[17:38] <Neremor> is there a way to re-run this automatic setup?
[17:52] <slow-motion> hi
[18:06] <bab212> salu
[18:06] <bab212> hi
[18:08] <LuisJa> i wanna install jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin
[18:08] <LuisJa> than its in my desktop (i already cd to "Escritorio"), whats the command to install it?
[18:18] <juane> hola
[18:20] <Rofl> okk
[18:29]  * hamit hi all
[18:30] <ubuntu_> hi
[18:30] <ubuntu_> hi from mexico
[18:55] <rahman_> hi, I use kde 4.3.1 and knetworkmanager. I use 3g modem to connect internet. The problem is I a
[18:56] <rahman_> can't use opendns
[18:57] <rahman_> as there is no dns config options under network configuration dialog of knetworkmanager
[18:57] <rahman_> how can I make networkmanager to use opendns
[18:57] <rahman_> any hint?
[18:58] <ryanair> !list
[19:11] <isaacj87> hey can anyone tell me where I can find the kickoff icon found in this pic? --> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=119577&d=1246441213
[19:14] <hawk_> hello
[19:15] <isaacj87> hey can anyone tell me where I can find the kickoff icon found in this pic? --> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=119577&d=1246441213
[19:15] <isaacj87> also, does anyone know how to disable the blue shadow on windows?
[19:20] <coilette> Anybody ever played the game where your AI and your trying to take over the world without letting humas know you exist?... whats the name of this game?
[19:32] <raindog> coilette: Singularity?
[19:32] <coilette> bingo.. that sounds familliar!!
[19:33] <coilette> thanks much raindog
[19:49] <ares_> ciao
[19:50] <genii> !it ares_
[19:50] <genii> !it |ares_
[19:50]  * genii sneaks more coffee in
[19:51] <ares_> ciao
[19:52] <pmwisse> hi, I have a problem with the latest openoffice 3.1.1 in kubuntu 9.04
[19:52] <pmwisse> mailto: hyperlinks do not work
[19:53] <pmwisse> is this a known problem?
[19:53] <marco> pmwisse upgrade to fedora 11
[19:53] <pmwisse> marco: that's a bit much for such a small problem
[19:53] <pmwisse> and this is a kubuntu channel?
[19:54] <genii> marco: Thats not constructive advice, and also this IS #kubuntu and not #fedora
[19:54] <pmwisse> i found someone who had a similar problem
[19:54] <pmwisse> with ooo 2.0
[19:54] <pmwisse> he modified kde-open-url
[19:55] <pmwisse> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544625
[19:55] <pmwisse> I did this too
[19:55] <pmwisse> but it doesn't help
[19:55] <pmwisse> www hyperlinks work fin
[19:55] <pmwisse> fine
[19:55] <pmwisse> but nothing happens when you click on a mailto url
[19:55] <pmwisse> I don't use this often in oowriter
[19:56] <pmwisse> but I have an application in oobasic
[19:56] <pmwisse> and oobase
[19:56] <pmwisse> that uses macros to send mails
[19:57] <pmwisse> I dropped the new kde4-support
[19:57] <pmwisse> but that makes no difference
[19:58] <genii> pmwisse: Filed a bug yet?
[19:58] <pmwisse> where should it go?
[19:58] <genii> launchpad
[19:59] <genii> !bugs
[20:10] <pmwisse> bug filed
[20:11] <pmwisse> thanks
[20:11] <pmwisse> for the hint
[20:11] <genii> pmwisse: You're welcome
[20:16] <pmwisse> thanks
[20:27] <skreech> Nayone using the New Amarok?
[20:44] <landyareth> hi i need help, im from mexico....
[20:49] <ubuntu_> hello
[20:49] <ubuntu_> well, i cant see my hd, and so, i can't install
[20:49] <skreech> ubuntu_: what makes you think that you can't see the hard drive?
[20:49] <ubuntu_> i'm using a dapper drake live cd, 'cause is the only one that can boot here
[20:50] <skreech> landyareth: Hello
[20:50] <skreech> landyareth: what do you need help with?
[20:50] <skreech> ubuntu_: which ones have you tried?
[20:50] <ubuntu_> well, 9.04, 8.10, 8.04..
[20:50] <ubuntu_> and 6.06
[20:50] <ubuntu_> ah, and 9.10 as welll
[20:51] <skreech> ubuntu_: Alpha or a daily?
[20:51] <ubuntu_> daily
[20:52] <skreech> ok
[20:52] <skreech> This doesn't help with the hard drive but what happened when they booted
[20:52] <ubuntu_> well
[20:52] <ubuntu_> ive tryied many sata options
[20:53] <ubuntu_> like "native ide", "legacy ide", "raid"
[20:53] <ubuntu_> on legacy ide it doesn't even boot.
[20:53] <skreech> Past the initial menu
[20:54] <shadowhywind> does anyone know of a way to run a script when the computer mutes/unmutes
[20:54] <skreech> landyareth: Hola
[20:54] <ubuntu_> well, it stops right after the initial menu, when its on legacy ide.
[20:57] <skreech> ubuntu_: ok so back to the hard drive issue. what's your problem?
[20:57] <ubuntu_> well, i cant install ubuntu here, 'cause i cant see my hard drive
[20:58] <ubuntu_> i'm on a live cd
[20:58] <skreech> ubuntu_: are you comfortable with the command line?
[20:58] <ubuntu_> yep
[20:59] <skreech> shadowhywind: I'm assuming a media key?
[20:59] <skreech> ubuntu_: is there any output from ls /dev/sd* ?
[21:00] <ubuntu_>   /dev/sda  /dev/sdb
[21:00] <shadowhywind> skreech: yah, I was also hopeing for if I used kmix as well
[21:00] <skreech> ubuntu_: umm is there anything on the hard drive currently?
[21:00] <shadowhywind> skreech: if thats even possible that is
[21:00] <skreech> shadowhywind: To do what?
[21:01] <ubuntu_> yeap
[21:01] <ubuntu_> i have two partitions
[21:01] <skreech> ubuntu_: It's turning up as two drives
[21:01] <ubuntu_> one with ubuntu installed via wubi, and my files for backup on the other one
[21:02] <shadowhywind> skreech: well I think i can figure out a way to tell the media keys to run a script, its more of, is there a way to run a script with kmix, and media keys?
[21:02] <ubuntu_> skreech, how?
[21:02] <skreech> shadowhywind: Sure do it in the same script. dbus can control pretyt much all of KDE apps so just throw a dbus command at kmix
[21:03] <skreech> ubuntu_: I'm trying to figure that out. Is there anythign interesting about hte computer? Old Mac or somethign?
[21:03] <skreech> something
[21:03] <shadowhywind> skreech: what I mean is if I used kmix to mute, the script would run, is that possible with dbus?
[21:03] <ubuntu_> skreech, as i can see.... i don't understand much... But i recon my two partitions
[21:03] <ubuntu_> skreech, it's a regular pc.
[21:04] <skreech> shadowhywind: ahhhhm I'd wager yes but ask in #kde that would be a better pool to source from
[21:04] <ubuntu_> skreech, it's and amd athlon 64 X2
[21:04] <skreech> ubuntu_: ok What are you trying to do ?
[21:04] <ubuntu_> with 1gb
[21:04] <shadowhywind> skreech: hehe thanks!
[21:05] <ubuntu_> i'm trying to install via live cd
[21:05] <ubuntu_> but it hangs on the partition manager
[21:05] <skreech> Of course it does. Do you have  RAID setup?
[21:05] <ubuntu_> well, it's one of the bios options
[21:06] <ubuntu_> it's the one i'm using right now
[21:06] <skreech> hrrm
[21:06] <skreech> Are you going to add a new parition or replace the windows partition ?
[21:07] <ubuntu_> skreech, it boots with raid and native ide options
[21:07] <ubuntu_> replace the windows one.
[21:07] <skreech> ubuntu_: I know I'm thinking that you may be better served by the boring Alternative CD
[21:07] <ubuntu_> uve tryied.
[21:07] <ubuntu_> i've*
[21:07] <ubuntu_> but no success too
[21:07] <skreech> Blast :) What happened?
[21:07] <avihay> does anybody remember how do you start wireshark (etheral) so that it doesn't send your card into promiscious mode?
[21:08] <ubuntu_> on alternative cd it says that it can't mount the install cd
[21:08] <ubuntu_> hehe
[21:08] <ubuntu_> on "Detect Cd rom" step
[21:09] <skreech> oh Yeah I hated that
[21:09] <skreech> You ca't find the CD drive?
[21:09] <ubuntu_> yep
[21:09] <skreech> The CD drive you are currently RUNNING FROM YOU LYIN... ok calm down it's just stupid is all
[21:09] <ubuntu_> even on wubi
[21:09] <ubuntu_> hehehehe
[21:09] <ubuntu_> that's the idea
[21:10] <avihay> ok, found it, it's -p
[21:12] <Hiisty> hi, i startded using back track 4, which is based on kubuntu, i'm not familiar with apt-get, so i'm askin is there a way to just update kde3->kde4 'cos knetworkmanager drops my network whenever i resume from screensaver?
[21:13] <skreech> Hiisty: Too many naswers to that question
[21:14] <skreech> What version of kubuntu is backtrack based on?
[21:14] <skreech> ubuntu_: Ok So you are on dapper. what happens if you try to mount one of the drives?
[21:14] <Hiisty> hmm, how can i check that, i think it is 8.04
[21:14] <skreech> I don't know how back track is setup
[21:15] <skreech>  normally I type lsb_release -a on the command line
[21:15] <ubuntu_> ok... trying righ now
[21:16] <ubuntu_> mount: can't find /dev/sda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[21:16] <Hiisty> skreech: it is based on 8.10
[21:16] <skreech> ubuntu_: mkdir check && sudo mount /dev/sda check
[21:17] <skreech> Hiisty: That should have kde4
[21:17] <ubuntu_> mount: No medium found
[21:18] <skreech> ubuntu_: Wow that's kinda extreme
[21:20] <yokobr> =(
[21:20] <skreech> Same for sdb ?
[21:21] <yokobr> same
[21:22] <Hiisty> skreech: strange, it is 3.5.10
[21:22] <skreech> I think your BIOS raid settings are interfering some how
[21:22] <skreech> !raid
[21:22] <skreech> That's not helpful
[21:22] <skreech> Hiisty: that was available as well
[21:23] <skreech> Where are you getting your packages from? From a backtrack repo?
[21:24] <Hiisty> skreech: sorry, but how i can check my repos?
[21:25] <yokobr> i'll try to change it back to native ide option
[21:26] <skreech> Hiisty: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:28] <caseyd> how do i update from 4.2.2 to the newest one? .. will update manager do it?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> caseyd: /topic
[21:30] <skreech> caseyd: topic or kubuntu.org
[21:30] <caseyd> i went to the FAQ and such, is the word i'm looking for backports?
[21:31] <shadeslayer> caseyd: yep
[21:32] <spacelime> hi
[21:32] <shadeslayer> caseyd: backports are basically packages which will be default in the new release but are also built for the current stable release
[21:32] <shadeslayer> spacelime: hi
[21:33] <caseyd> shadeslayer: so this is not how i upgrade.. is it more simple if I just reinstall from the new cd?
[21:34] <Hiisty> skreech: there is just backtracks own repo, and devel-repo which is commented
[21:34] <spacelime> kde 3.5 themes are not compatible with kde 4 right?
[21:37] <shadeslayer> caseyd: well its a yes and no question,yes youll have the latest packages,but no you wont have the stability of 9.04
[21:38] <shadeslayer> caseyd: easies way to get KDE 4.3 on 9.04 is by adding the repo line and doing a dist-upgrade
[21:38] <shadeslayer> *easiest
[21:38] <caseyd> shadeslayer: I'm pretty sure I have ubuntu 9.04, just not the newest kde..
[21:39] <shadeslayer> caseyd: yeah,thats what im telling you,add the repo line and the key and then perform a full upgrade
[21:39] <skreech> Hiisty: Ok seems to be using their packages
[21:39] <skreech> Hiisty: Probably better to take it up with them
[21:41] <Hiisty> skreech: yes, i think so too, (funny) thing is that they directed me to here, but thanks anyway, i'll try to fix it :)
[21:42] <skreech> Hiisty: Oh so they don't have an issue with you using KDe4 from Kubuntu?
[21:44] <Hiisty> skreech: i'm not sure, i think that there must be good reason that they are using kde3
[21:45] <skreech> Hiisty: It's a known beast. KDE4 was probably quite wild when they shipped
[21:45] <Hiisty> skreech: how about now? it is stable?
[21:46] <skreech> For some version of stable.
[21:46] <skreech> It's still not KDE 3 stable and if you are using the same repos that backtrack built from then I'd say it's probably not rock solid there
[21:47] <skreech> KDE has made some very large steps for each release of KDE since 4.0 which is both an indication of how well the team works and how much was missing in KDE 4.0
[21:47] <skreech> KDE 4.1 was acceptable but widely regarded as not "Good"
[21:48] <shadeslayer> skreech: also a indication of a better release each time :)
[21:48] <darthanubis>  KDE4.3.1 is rockk solid
[21:48] <skreech> Oh no doubt
[21:48] <skreech> darthanubis: I can crash it :-p
[21:48] <skreech> but it's getting much harder :)
[21:48] <darthanubis> Nepomuk iskinda shady, but who uses that?
[21:48]  * shadeslayer cracks darthanubis KDE 3.1 with a KDE 4.3.1 hammer
[21:48]  * skreech wishes he could say he did :(
[21:48] <shadeslayer> ahem.... *cough* me
[21:49] <spacelime> yes, KDE is improving rapidly... i really think Canonical should think about promoting Kubuntu more
[21:49] <skreech> Hiisty: I'd likely stick close to the backtrack folks and see if they would like some help for the next release :-D
[21:50] <skreech> Many people think that but until canonical thinks that (And it's not likely they will anytime soon) then it's going to be a community endeavour
[21:50] <spacelime> the only problem i have with KDE is that i'm not really fond of the whole "transparent shiny" business
[21:50] <skreech> New theme! There you go solved
[21:51] <spacelime> i really love Gnome-colors icons with human/dust theme
[21:51] <spacelime> skreech: sure... but actually i think it's really hard finding a good one for kde 4
[21:51] <spacelime> there was a nice human clone for 3.5
[21:51] <skreech> Yeah I'd watch kde-look or just start dropping hints on some themes that are close :)
[21:51] <darthanubis> The ability to download new everything right from the KDE interface is awesome
[21:52] <darthanubis> Kwin rocks
[21:52] <darthanubis> I don't miss compiz at all
[21:52] <spacelime> no, it's nice to have it all integrated
[21:53] <caseyd> okay! I think I'm starting to get it. I have 9.04-Januity, and to update to the newest kde I add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main to my /etc/apt/sources.list ... and then type apt-get dist-upgrade in terminal?
[21:53] <skreech> Moar Integration!!!
[21:53] <skreech> caseyd: No sudo apt-get update
[21:53] <caseyd> ahh cool
[21:53] <skreech> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:53] <skreech> you can do it from the GUI as well
[21:54] <spacelime> but when it comes to theming I just think it's way to scattered.... there are so many engines and different places to fiddle to get an integrated look... if I install a theme  i want it to change everything from desktop to window styles at once
[21:55] <skreech> There needs to be a system that does that but that's A lot of work as well
[21:55] <skreech> KDE's theming is a little more granular than Gnome's
[21:55] <spacelime> sure.... but it would be much easier to make themes if there was some consitency too
[21:56] <spacelime> it would save work in the long run i think
[22:02] <yokobr> skreech
[22:02] <skreech> yes?
[22:02] <yokobr> skreech, finnaly made it
[22:02] <skreech> Hooray
[22:02] <yokobr> i've returned to "native ide"
[22:02] <skreech> What changes were made
[22:03] <spacelime> this is the most gorgeous window design I know of.. wish I could get KDE to look like this =) http://www.somgnu.cat/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/88790-2.jpg
[22:03] <skreech> that would help I hope
[22:03] <yokobr> then i've tryied 7.03
[22:03] <yokobr> 04*
[22:03] <yokobr> and worked fine
[22:03] <yokobr> i've also added noapic and acpi=off on boot options, but it has nothing with the hd detection problem
[22:04] <skreech> yokobr: ok you are going to update after?
[22:04] <yokobr> yeap
[22:04] <yokobr> i'll try all distros updates until 9.04
[22:04] <yokobr> hahaha
[22:04] <skreech> spacelime: That works nicely with that wallpaper
[22:05] <spacelime> skreech: yes for sure...and also the fonts go really well
[22:05] <Dragnslcr> spacelime- pretty sure that is KDE
[22:05] <skreech> Dragnslcr: Oh?
[22:05] <Dragnslcr> The window in the back looks like Dolphin
[22:06] <skreech> Dragnslcr: Open Nautilus and compare
[22:06] <spacelime> Dragnslcr: no, it's gnome unfortunately
[22:06] <spacelime> with dust
[22:06] <Dragnslcr> I've never used Nautilus. Does it use the same program icon as Dolphin?
[22:06] <skreech> Dragnslcr: Dolphin hasn't picked up a bookmarks menu in all th time that I have known it
[22:06] <skreech> Dragnslcr: Other way around :)
[22:07] <Dragnslcr> Heh, gotcha
[22:07] <Dragnslcr> Well there's no reason that you couldn't make a theme that looks that
[22:07] <skreech> spacelime: Ah that's the infamous Dust :)
[22:08] <skreech> spacelime: Speak to kwwii about it
[22:08] <spacelime> skreech: yes =) i just lllllllllllllooooooooooooove it
[22:08] <spacelime> who is kwwi?
[22:08] <trakinas> dudes and dudettes, can someone explain me why kate is not auto-completing any html code?
[22:08] <spacelime> this is how i like icons to look: http://pillateunlinux.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/82562-1.png
[22:08] <yokobr> skreech, i've triyed many distros
[22:09] <yokobr> this is the first one that boots here
[22:09] <yokobr> and also installs
[22:09] <trakinas> I've activated all the auto-completion stuff on kate's settings, but it still not auto-completing
[22:09] <skreech> spacelime: KDE Artist. Currently working on Gnome and likely in charge of the Dust theme. Hired By Canonical to work on Ubuntu
[22:09] <yokobr> i hate KDE
[22:09] <yokobr> Gnome FTW!
[22:10] <skreech> trakinas: Ctrl+Space maybe
[22:10] <yokobr> trakinas seems to be brazilian
[22:10] <spacelime> skreech: ok! hope he'll do something about kde as well then =)
[22:10] <trakinas> skreech: ermm.... hence why Im asking? control space is not doing anything
[22:10] <trakinas> yokobr: you are right
[22:10] <yokobr> trakinas, sabia!
[22:11] <skreech> spacelime: Likely not as he's pretty much stopped working on KDE/Kubuntu stuff since he's been hired
[22:11] <skreech> But you could put it on his plate
[22:11] <trakinas> yokobr: I could guess the same about you.
[22:12] <spacelime> yokobr: gnome is great... but i sense that they are getting stuck in the mud
[22:12] <sebastian> hey i was woundering if theres anyway to install gnome without all the kde programs in it?
[22:13] <yokobr> spacelime, i don't care for eyecandy stuff.
[22:13] <yokobr> it's waste of resources..
[22:14] <trakinas> yokobr: mine has almost no eyecandy. it is all relative.
[22:14] <yokobr> gnome is a lil bit stucked.. but it's still safe and faster
[22:14] <sebastian> so is there any way?
[22:14] <trakinas> I have only the useful stuff activated.
[22:14] <yokobr> i've  installed kde 4.2, but i wasn't able to disabe all that effects...
[22:15] <trakinas> I'm kind of tired of gome. he! so using KDE right now.
[22:15] <yokobr> and had no patience for that.
[22:15] <spacelime> yokobr: it's alot more integrated but I think KDE will improve quickly
[22:15] <trakinas> sebastian: sure. first you install gnome, then  you purge kde and every qt app
[22:15] <trakinas> I like both.
[22:15] <yokobr> well, just to begin, i hate that desktop app...
[22:15] <yokobr> where are the good and old icon style
[22:16] <spacelime> yokobr: you can put icons on the desktop... just need to put them inside a frame
[22:17] <yokobr> =(
[22:17] <spacelime> yokobr: i think that's allright... just takes a little while to get used to
[22:17] <trakinas> yokobr: you can disable that. I did with mine. I don't like icons on my desktop.
[22:17] <sebastian> Trakinas what do u mean by purge?
[22:18] <yokobr> hhehehehe... it's like religion discussion
[22:18] <trakinas> dear kate, will you auto=complete my codes? please?
[22:18] <yokobr> pointless
[22:18] <yokobr> any developer there?
[22:18] <trakinas> sebastian: aptitude purge blahblahblah
[22:18] <trakinas> yokobr: yep
[22:18] <spacelime> yokobr: all good things in this world are pointless =)
[22:19] <trakinas> seriously, kate not auto-completing is getting me mad
[22:19] <trakinas> spacelime: spect useless discussions
[22:19] <trakinas> yokobr: me. trying to make kate auto-complete my codes.
[22:19] <spacelime> trakinas: spect?
[22:19] <trakinas> *expect
[22:19] <yokobr> well, i use linux since 99, but aways developed for windows... I'm starting with linux now, yesterday....with gambas
[22:20] <yokobr> any sugestion for, except java?
[22:20] <sebastian> Trakinas if i do.. aptitude purge amarok for example will it still be on kde but not gnome?
[22:20] <trakinas> spacelime: fixed already: expected. typo.
[22:21] <trakinas> yokobr: python. c++.
[22:21] <trakinas> gambas is visual basic, right?
[22:21] <trakinas> sebastian: it will vanish from your app
[22:21] <trakinas> *ops, pc
[22:21] <yokobr> phyton seems to be very likely c++, or java, right?
[22:21] <spacelime> trakinas: ok! that's what we are here for aint it =)
[22:21] <trakinas> sebastian: you can edit gnome's menu
[22:22] <trakinas> but your apps are avaiable for every desktop envirionment/wm
[22:22] <sebastian> right, that makes me feel stupid haha... thx
[22:22] <yokobr> and there's any rad for phyton?
[22:22] <monax> доброй ночи !
[22:22] <trakinas> yokobr: not at all. not in syntaxe, i mean.
[22:22] <monax>  i'm sori
[22:22] <trakinas> but python is very powerful.
[22:22] <yokobr> i know that
[22:22] <yokobr> frets on fire is made in phyton \o/
[22:23] <trakinas> yokobr: more or less.
[22:23] <yokobr> sure it is!
[22:23] <yokobr> but, whatever, there's any RAD for phyton?
[22:24] <trakinas> yokobr: you have BoaConstrictor and some other IDEs that integrate wxWidgets, pygtk and other visual tool kits
[22:24] <trakinas> yokobr: more or less not about frets, about existing rad ides. =P
[22:24] <spacelime> trakinas: ruby seems really pretty... i'm thinking of trying it out. have you coded in that?
[22:25] <trakinas> spacelime: yes. i've played a little with ruby. ruby is good, but Im not a ruby programmer.
[22:25] <trakinas> yokobr: I've answered that
[22:26] <spacelime> trakinas: what do you use?
[22:26] <trakinas> spacelime: what you mean? I program in python and java.
[22:27] <el_magico> hello, someone can say me if, in unix/linux, the file descriptor associato to the keybord is stdin or stdin_fileno? On the manual there is stdin_fileno, but with the function fgets ........I must..... to use stdin..... Help me please, thank you so much
[22:28] <spacelime> trakinas: ok...... i used to code in c++ a few years ago. I've forgotten alot so i'm thinking if i should recap or perhaps just go for another language... python and java are both script based right?
[22:29] <trakinas> spacelime: no. java is compiled / bytecode interpreted.
[22:30] <trakinas> you generate a binary file that is interpreted by the JVM, but it i compiled.
[22:30] <trakinas> python is interpreted
[22:30] <spacelime> trakinas: are you coding applications for KDE?
[22:30] <trakinas> if you have experience with C++ you will feel confortable with java
[22:31] <trakinas> spacelime: no. I wished i was =(
[22:31] <spacelime> yes i heard they are both object oriented....
[22:31] <trakinas> spacelime: if you intend to code for fun, just recap c++ skill - you still have lots of open source projects coded in c++ to contribute
[22:32] <trakinas> spacelime: their syntaxe is also very similar.
[22:32] <spacelime> i was just thinking about ruby because from what i heard it's very "elegant" and let's you get a good flow
[22:33] <spacelime> trakinas: right.... that's the reason I'm leaning towards c++ again... that's what the majority of KDE is based on right?
[22:33] <bigbrovar> has anyone been able to get the amarok 2.2 beta to install on ubuntu jaunty ? the ppa here for it has some missing deps
[22:33] <trakinas> spacelime: ruby is good. have a look on it if you are interested. ;]
[22:33] <trakinas> spacelime: I guess so.
[22:33] <spacelime> cool... i think i will
[22:37] <big--ben> hey guys. if i apt-get install apache, how much more will i need to configure if all I want is to be able to host some files in ~/public_html?
[22:38] <trakinas> big--ben: almost nothing
[22:38] <trakinas> big--ben: just the configs for your page, activate de modules you will use, and activate the site.
[22:39] <big--ben> will i even need modules and configs?
[22:39] <big--ben> trakinas: i really just want to host some pictures and maybe a html page in public_html
[22:39] <big--ben> trakinas: will i even need modules and configs?
[22:40] <trakinas> big--ben: you don't need any modules, then. but you need to activate the site and config it.
[22:40] <big--ben> trakinas: ok, thx. is there any good howto you can point me to?
[22:40] <trakinas> big--ben: loads of
[22:41] <trakinas> like this one: http://www.debuntu.org/2006/02/22/7-virtual-hosting-using-apache-2
[22:42] <big--ben> trakinas: thx a lot
[22:42] <trakinas> np
[22:44] <harolddong> what's a good dual-pane, midnight commander style file manager that shows previews? Krusader doesn't seem to do it... or maybe I'm just missing the option
[22:48] <trakinas> harolddong: I dont know. sorry! =/
[23:03] <harolddong> is mplayerthumbs not working anymore?  It hasnt worked for me since installing kde 4.3
[23:06] <Squarc1> hi there
[23:06] <Squarc1> How to run 'sudo dolphin &' properly?
[23:07] <Squarc1> this way, sudo gets to be the new thread, and filling in my password is thus not posible,. plus I got a paused thread that I dont want..
[23:07] <Squarc1> so all I want is sudo to create a new proccess: dolphin
[23:09] <Uqbar> hello. Some menus in showfoto appear empty - e.g. "color". Is it because of a missing package? (all of showfoto's dependencies are met, though)
[23:14] <Uqbar> the "decorate" and "filter" menus are empty as well
[23:18] <Dragnslcr> Squarc1- first of all, you need to use kdesudo instead
[23:19] <Squarc1> Dragnslcr
[23:19] <Squarc1> is that so Important?
[23:19] <Squarc1> because, when using kdesudo or gksudo, dolphin doesnt work the first 3 times
[23:19] <Squarc1> it gives a error that the connection with some KDE socket cannot be made
[23:19] <Dragnslcr> Yes, it is. Otherwise you may run into permissions problems
[23:19] <Squarc1> and I cannot browse anything
[23:19] <Dragnslcr> !kdesudo
[23:23] <BluesKaj> anyone here successfully mount a  windows share with cifs/smbfs at boot up using fstab edits ?
[23:27] <Squarc1> LOL, sorry but; " 3. There are also some graphical applications that simply will not run with the sudo command. Kate, for example, can be run as 'kdesu kate' but cannot be run as 'sudo kate'"... I'm used to run 'sudo kate /path/to/file' all the time, seems to work perfect (exepct for some terminal flooding)
[23:28] <Uqbar> (unsurprisingly the same happens in digikam as well as in showfoto)
[23:40] <steffe> Tja
[23:47] <ubuntu1> i need some help with my drivers
[23:48] <ubuntu1> any one?
[23:57] <harjot_> how would i use ssh to launch applications on the person im sshing?