[00:20] anybody know why kopete would not be able to establish a connection with yaho servers? [00:22] coilette: yahoo servers made some changes a few months back that created some issues w/ IM clients [00:22] pidgin released a patch to solve ... google in case kopete had a similar situation [00:24] coilette- I don't think Ubuntu backported the fix, so you need KDE 4.3.0 for the fixed version of Kopete [00:32] <|PaperTiger|> What program can I use to unzip .rar files? [00:33] i think if you search for one in adept you can find one [00:34] <|PaperTiger|> Suggestions? [00:34] do you have adept? [00:35] <|PaperTiger|> Yes [00:35] search for zip [00:35] <|PaperTiger|> I've just searched archive and found karchiver [00:36] |PaperTiger|: I use winrar. the rar and unrar programs in the repositories faild me more then once [00:36] sounds like a winner, now all thats left is to learn to use it [00:36] <|PaperTiger|> That's the problem, lol :P [00:36] simple unzipping cant be too hard to learn [00:37] <|PaperTiger|> Shouldn't be [00:38] coilette, in the terminal : unrar e filename.rar [00:39] im not the one looking to unzip/rar [00:40] get all that papertiger? [00:40] oops , |PaperTiger| :) [00:40] shdda scrolled up [00:40] :) [00:41] time for some tv anyway ... later [00:41] so if i get the bug fixes for jaunty kopete should work? [00:42] <|PaperTiger|> BluesKaj =] [00:43] coilette- as far as I know, the Yahoo fix wasn't backported to KDE 4.2 === brendan_ is now known as Guest16395 === carlos is now known as Guest91907 [00:44] im afraid to get all updates... last install crashed at random [00:44] so just kde update? [00:48] For 9.04, you'd need to install KDE 4.3 from the backports PPA === zim is now known as Guest50916 === amigo is now known as Guest40625 === root is now known as Guest7588 [01:25] how do i get kopete to connect to yahoo servers [01:34] coilette- haven't I told you twice already? [01:35] ive taken all updates, bug fixes, and security fixes [01:35] upgrades as well, there is nothing left for me to download [01:37] funny thing is it worked fine yesterday, today i had to reinstall because X crashed randomly [01:39] am i missing something Dragonslcr? [01:41] coilette, backports? [01:46] coilette- what version of KDE do you have? [01:46] how would i find it? [01:47] Help -> About KDE in pretty much any program [01:48] oic 4.2.2 [01:48] There ya go [01:49] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3.1 [01:49] how do i upgrade to 4.3.1? [01:50] i didnt do anything special in my last install and it worked before [01:50] coilette, the ppa in the link above ? [01:51] ppa? [01:51] coilette, did you read the link? [01:51] i am currently and i dont see a 'ppa' [01:52] Users of our stable 9.04 release can install it from the Kubuntu Backports PPA. <---- from the link above [01:53] omg /facepalm i was reading the wrong tab [01:54] so do i add this to my sources? [01:58] package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386 [01:58] waaaa .... [01:58] i tryed downloadin the NX [02:00] --force-architecture [02:00] haha nm but thats weird i didnt download the 64 bit version only the 32 bit so did it put me at 32 bit.... [02:08] First time Kubuntu user here.. How do I get Firefox installed? [02:08] do you have adept installed? [02:09] I don't know to be honest.. I just finished a fresh install. [02:09] what version do you have? [02:11] you dont remember the CD/DVD version? [02:11] 9.04 is what I have ... dvd [02:11] oh same thing i used [02:12] jamesb_: In the K-Menu, in the applications tab, click the add/remove software (adept installer) [02:12] you need to open up the command line client "konsole" and type "sudo apt-get update" and after thats done "sudo apt-get install adept" [02:13] avihay i used the same install DVD and adept doesnt come installed [02:14] ok. so why bother with adept? you can jump stright to synaptic [02:14] because i dont have that either [02:14] so install it [02:15] why would i teach him to do that, if i dont know how to use it? [02:15] hola [02:15] jamesb_- K Menu -> System -> Software Management [02:16] Thanks coilette ... Worked great! [02:16] yup, i take it you dont need help with adept? [02:16] jamesb_- that will open your package manager. From there, you can install "firefox" (which is 3.0) or "firefox-3.5" [02:17] I'm using adept ... I can't find firefox though.. let me try again.. [02:17] you may also want to visit the preview page with no packages to add.. so you can click "upgrade" jamesb_ [02:17] Adept probably isn't good for new users, unless the search functionality has been fixed [02:17] search works for me o.0 [02:17] jamesb_- if you use KPackageKit instead, the search will probably be easier [02:18] Last time I used Adept, you couldn't search by package name [02:18] Well I searched for "Firefox" and it found "A Web Browser 3.5" ... not sure what that is. [02:18] hmm did it ask you to update the package list? [02:18] :-> [02:18] Did that automatically [02:19] jamesb_- use KPackageKit instead [02:19] you type firefox and get nothing in the search? [02:20] I get Firefox 3.0.13+nobinonly [02:20] Nothing Firefox specific.. [02:21] hmm weird, i see Firefox Web Browser [02:21] Well, if you need real help, let me know [02:23] I guess so.. can't find Firefox.. Dragnslcr what do you have for me? [02:24] kubuntu's firefox package is firefox 3.0 there are other packages that give you firefox 3.5' like abrowser (firefox without any firefox in it) or ice weasel(totaly firefox brand free) and firefox-3.5 (that gives you a browser named Shiretoko (firfox 3.5's codename) so you can run both it and firefox runing side by side) I find it all confuseing [02:24] Wow.. any other browser that you would recomment? [02:25] *reccomend [02:25] jamesb_: the easyest way to install firefox is to run: "sudo apt-get install firefox" . you might want or need to run "sudo apt-get update" before that [02:25] *to run -> to run from the terminal [02:26] they are all firefox, or to be more exact , they use 99.9% of firefox or more [02:26] I see.. [02:26] I need some Linux training.. lol.. [02:27] jamesb_- open KPackageKit (K Menu -> System -> Software Management) [02:28] In the search box, type "firefox" and press enter, and you'll get a list of all packages with "firefox" in the name [02:28] If you want Firefox 3.0, install the package called "firefox", and if you want Firefox 3.5, install the package called "firefox-3.5" [02:29] After you install it, Firefox 3.5 will be called Shiretoko (for reasons that I can try to explain if you really want to know) [02:29] How do I uninstall? I ran the command avihay gave me to install FF.. [02:30] replace the word install with the word uninstall, or use the package manager [02:30] uninstall-> remove [02:30] If you want to uninstall a package, click the minus sign on the right side of the package name [02:30] Then click the Apply button [02:32] This is fun.. lol [02:34] I did notice the update manager says I have 8 software updates.. but I open it and only shows 4 "blocked" updates.. what's that? [02:34] Yeah, KPackageKit doesn't handle certain updates correctly [02:34] Are they kernel updates? [02:35] (one of the packages should be something like linux-image-generic) [02:35] Oh ok.. Says "linux-headers-generic - 2.6.28.11.15 (amd64) [02:35] Dragnslcr: you got it.. [02:35] Yeah, that's my one complaint about KPackageKit [02:36] If you want to install them, open konsole and run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [02:36] Ok.. [02:38] I installed 3.5 but it still says 3.0.13 [02:39] When you run it? [02:39] Yeah... [02:39] I unsintalled the other.. maybe I didn't uninstall it correctly.. I clicked the "minus" [02:41] Did you click the Apply button? [02:41] Yes... hang on.. let me try something.. I love this!!LoL.. [02:41] In the K Menu, Firefox 3.5 is called Shiretoko [02:42] Ok.. I just removed the other with Synaptic.. [02:43] Ok.. let's try this again.. I see no Firefox installed anywhere.. [02:45] Looks like it's called Preview Browser in the Internet submenu [02:45] Where am I installing this from? Which manager? I see several now.. maybe I wasn't paying attention before.. [02:46] Oh, wait, have you not installed it yet? [02:46] Trying to.. I found it in adeptic.. you said something about not using that though.. [02:47] 3.0.13 installed again.. but I didn't install anything .. I uninstalled.. grrr... [02:47] Heh [02:48] I think too many people told you to use too many different package managers [02:48] Think so?? Still fun though.. lol [02:48] I would uninstall Adept, since you don't really need it [02:48] Stick to KPackageKit for now, since that's the standard for new versions of Kubuntu [02:50] K.. searched for Firefox.. not found.. omg.. [02:50] In KPackageKit? [02:50] Found some.. I got a few to choose from.. [02:51] I don't see anything about Shiretoko... [02:51] The package name is "firefox-3.5" [02:53] I installed abrowser.. it also installed a 3.0.13 version of Firefox.. but Abroswer seems to be the 3.5 [02:53] Yeah, that isn't what you want [02:54] Dunno what you searched for to get that to show up [02:54] So uninstall? [02:54] Yeah [02:54] Are you using KPackageKit? [02:54] Yes.. much easier btw.. [02:55] Is the dropdown next to the search box set to "Find by name"? [02:56] drag [02:56] Dragnslcr: yes.. [02:57] Just type "firefox" into the search box and press enter, and the only packages that should come up will have "firefox" in the package name [02:58] Done.. [02:58] Nothing about abrowser now? [02:58] No [02:59] Okay, good [02:59] I have a few choices for 3.5 [02:59] You want the one that's called just "firefox-3.5" [02:59] Not -branding or -dev or anything [03:00] firefox-3.5 - 3.5.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 (amd64) [03:00] Yup [03:00] That line will always be "name - version (architecture)" [03:00] It's installing other packages as "dependencies"... [03:00] 3.0.13 is in that list.. [03:00] Yeah, probably a bunch of GTK stuff [03:01] Yeah, I dunno why it has the 3.0 package as a dependency [03:01] I see Shiretoko!!! [03:01] 3.5.2!! Says it's a DEV build.. but looks good to me.. [03:02] Dragnslcr: thanks a million.... can you help me get flash player installed by chance? [03:02] Dev build? Weird [03:03] Package you want is flashplugin-installer [03:03] k [03:03] !info flashplugin-installer [03:03] flashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10.0.32.18ubuntu0.9.04.1 (jaunty), package size 18 kB, installed size 176 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia) [03:04] If it doesn't show up, you might not have the multiverse repository enabled [03:04] Got it... [03:04] Nice [03:04] Saves me from having to try to explain how to enable the repository [03:08] Let me test and make sure I got it installed.. lol [03:09] tada!!! [03:09] Works beautifully.. [03:10] Thanks a million Dragnslcr ... anything else you can recommend a first time EVER linux user could read or look at for tips? [03:11] My usual suggestion is to not be afraid to break stuff. Play with things to see what you can do [03:11] I'm good at that.. lol.. very good at that.. [03:11] Fancy desktop effects are probably a good place to start [03:12] Can do a bunch of shiny, useless tricks [03:12] I have them turned on.. will tweak them in a bit.. see what I can do.. probably disable most of them.. [03:13] You can look through the plasma widgets for interesting stuff too [03:15] One thing I have that I like is a panel on the left side of the screen that's set to auto-hide, and I have a Quicklaunch widget and a Quick Access widget to my ~/Desktop directory [03:16] Looks like I have a lot of tinkering.. [03:18] Yup, there's a lot you can play with [03:19] I would say so.. gonna shut down and hook my secondary hard drive back up.. get some music going while I play around.. [03:19] If you're doing any real work on the system yet, I'd also suggest keeping backups of stuff [03:19] ok.. [03:20] Which is pretty easy to do, especially if you have a second hard drive available to use for it [03:20] Wonderful.. thanks for all the help Dragnslcr... much appreciated!! [03:20] Not a problem [03:30] I'm back!! LoL.. [03:31] I have a ton of mp3's on a backup drive.. I can't get them to play after pluggin the drive into my SATA port.. === s8n is now known as vorian [03:45] can anybody help with ircd-hybrid7? === ilker is now known as apranaks [03:50] Do i have to reinstall OS if my mother board is replaced? [03:54] Do i have to reinstall OS if my mother board is replaced? [04:03] I'm getting a strange error message starting tonight in regards to trying to play mp3 files in Amarok, under Jaunty Jackelope. the error message says "Amarok currently cannot play MP3 files." can someone please help? [04:04] and yes i already searched on the web [04:10] is there some here who can help with my question? === tommy is now known as Guest13444 [04:17] white_pelicon [04:17] reinstall amarok [04:22] Do i have to reinstall OS if my mother board is replaced? [04:23] kalp: no [04:23] if youre using onboard graphics and sound, you may have to configure those two, but thats about it [04:23] maco: thanks [04:23] if theyre graphics and sound cards just plugged into mobo, youre good to go [04:25] jh === jiohdi3 is now known as jiohdi [04:49] can someone test if amarok can fetch a cover? [05:00] Hmm [05:01] I just installed Ubuntu 9.04, added kubuntu-desktop, added KDE 4.3.1, and it's wierd because I started up pidgin, but pidgin isn't leaving a system tray icon to show/hide it. [05:02] Ahh nevermind. [05:05] <|3Ill> hi [05:37] How do i delete an item through the terminal? [05:39] Zeik: rm item [05:39] Zeik: if it is a direcotry rm -r [05:40] trakinas: Thank you, i appreciate that. [05:41] you are welcome [05:42] Would you know how to fix the crash back to the KDM screen upon resolution change in 8.10? [05:45] how i can uninstall everything related to java in my system? [05:45] I'm trying to upgrade to amarok2.2 beta1 but I just cant. (I already added the repositories and updated) Whats wrong? [05:47] LuisJa: depends on. JVM you would do: aptitude purge name-of-the-jde (it could be jdk also) [05:47] uhh? [05:47] i wanna uninstall and reinstall java again because i am not able to play runescape in this moment and i wanna see if reinstalling works :) [05:47] you'd need to know which java packages you have installed. it scapes me the command to list every java package you ahve installed. [05:48] but what u mean? [05:48] oh.. [05:48] damn [05:48] LuisJa: like i said. you have to know which jde you have installed. try: aptitude search jvm [05:50] LuisJa: trying with Java did not display too many results, so you could try [05:50] the packages you have installed will have an 'i' next to it [05:50] didnt show anything... [05:50] uhh? [05:50] LuisJa: aptitude search java [05:51] then, aptitude purge name-of-the-package and after that aptitude install name-of-the-package [05:51] but to only re-install, dpkg --reconfigure name-of-the-package [05:53] nm, I think I got it :) === wsr3193 is now known as raghorn [06:17] oh [06:26] guys does anyone know how i can get vmware server working with 9.04? === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor [07:11] hello [07:12] getting a bit of a weird error. Kubuntu 9.04, run aptitude update, get this: W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com jaunty-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key [07:12] not sure how to revoke and refresh that key though === ubuntu__ is now known as RYDeN [07:40] holaaaaa [07:40] como andan? [07:41] de que pais son? [07:41] http://www.ryden.com.ar [07:41] !ar | RYDeN [07:41] RYDeN: La comunidad local de Argentina se puede encontrar en #ubuntu-ar y en su canal de offtopic: #ubuntu-ar-cafe [07:42] muchas graciasss! [07:42] =) === marcel is now known as marcel_ === marcel_ is now known as marcel__ [08:30] hi room [08:30] hey,,can anyone help me instaling kismet [08:38] what's the diference between plasma-widget-networkmanagement and plasma-widget-network-manager? [08:43] hi, my pc is blocking an update for mplayer. how can I check why it is blocked? === ejat is now known as e-jat === e-jat is now known as ejat === jussi01 is now known as _ === _ is now known as jussi01 === jason is now known as Guest80148 === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [10:30] hi [10:30] iam not able to play any videos from kubuntu mplayer ,vlc or any player crashes with video [10:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/265438/ [10:32] it is a intel motherboard ... [10:33] please help [10:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/265441/ [10:38] does anyone use vlc... I ha a problem i cant solve...whenever i open a video, vlc opens in twe seperate windows ... the one window shows the video output and the other window shows the interface of vlc with its controls.... how can i integrate thoses videos so that vlc open in one window and looks like e.g Windows media player ..... please help me... [10:40] lakis1982: thats a known bug [10:40] lakis1982: fixed in karmic [10:40] firsttimeuser_: can you see video? [10:40] can u send me a link of that bug ??? [10:40] i can see video [10:40] no icannot see any video [10:40] lakis1982: ill have to search for it [10:41] if i try to open using command line i can here voice [10:41] but vlc opens 2 windows .. one window is the video output ( xvideo output) and the other windows is the vlc GUI which shows only the controls. [10:41] but if i click on file player just closes [10:41] !ihc [10:41] Sorry, I don't know anything about ihc [10:41] lakis1982: I can confirm that shadeslayer is correct about the split-window bug. [10:42] so its a problem of ubuntu and not of vlc... [10:42] !sound | firsttimeuser_ [10:42] firsttimeuser_: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [10:42] i can play mp3 ..only video problems [10:43] lakis1982: Jaunty? [10:43] yes [10:43] i have kubuntu jaunty [10:43] when i googled i heard that there is some new intel video driver added in kubuntu latest version [10:43] which might be causing the issue [10:43] lakis1982: This is the VLC PPA I'm using. It'll fix your issue. http://pastebin.com/f6a572e9f [10:44] lakis1982: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1134536 [10:44] aa nice.. let me check it [10:46] leaf sheep .. what should i do with that copy link you sent me.. it contains some repositories ... [10:46] lakis1982: add them to your sources [10:46] and then ? [10:46] and then upgrade or install the new vlc [10:46] lakis1982: Add the key. ;o [10:47] you mean the version 1.0.0 ? [10:47] leaf-sheep: is it a upgrade repo? or a new vlc altogether? [10:47] shadeslayer: lakis1982: "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/source [10:47] Err. [10:47] shadeslayer: 1.0.2~git+20090811-0ubuntu1~kow1 [10:48] probably a upgrade [10:50] lakis1982: "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vlc-kow.list" --> Copy everything in the pastebin. "sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 2F021AC1 ; sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade" [10:51] lakis1982: When you're done, do update + full-upgrade again to ensure that everything is not broken. [10:53] i belive iam facing same proble m http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1172045 [10:54] but there is no solution listed [10:54] :-( === Nazg`off is now known as Nazgul [11:02] thanks guys === James`` is now known as James1278 [11:28] how to downgrade plasma-widget-network* after yesterday's updates? [11:29] salut tout l'monde [11:30] amgarchIn9: you'll need a repo with the older version on. or if you havent cleaned out out you can install the old version using those debs [11:32] ActionParsnip: found them in /var/cache/apt/archives ... [11:33] amgarchIn9: cool, uninstall the new version then install the older one with those debs === anonymus is now known as hui_zhe [11:44] hi, i can't connect to my wifi lan after upgrading plasma-widget-networmanagement and plasma-widget-network-manager [11:44] anyone else with this problem? === hui_zhe is now known as anonymus [12:08] asd [12:08] asd [12:08] asd [12:08] pepo_: stop! [12:09] ok [12:09] i'm tryn [12:09] bot? [12:09] pepo_: why are you flooding the channel? [12:09] !it | pepo_ [12:09] pepo_: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare) [12:09] nope [12:10] Don't now [12:10] I tried sommethin out [12:11] Hi, I just started Kubuntu 9.04 for the first time (long time suse user). Is there some 9.10 preview version available? thanks [12:11] www.squat.forumcommunity.net [12:12] pepo_, dont paste that here [12:12] mblenton: do you want to upgrade or would you like a live cd? [12:12] mmauder, a live cd... [12:13] mblenton: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-September/000612.html [12:13] mmauder, actually, I'm looking for a distribution to switch to from opensuse 10.3, which is now 'end of life', and kubuntu would probably be my choice [12:13] mblenton: this is a direct link to the kubuntu karmic alpha 5 live cds: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-5/ [12:14] mblenton: see if you like it :) [12:14] mmauder, I see, thanks... so far Kubuntu is winning, but I'll have to wait for opensuse 11.2 too [12:14] mblenton: why do you want to go from an ancient distro to one that's not even out yet though? ;) [12:15] mmauder, I use linux for my everyday business and a stable distribution is a must, but as 10.3 is outdated now I need to upgrade. I'll, of course, upgrade when official release is available [12:16] mmauder, kubuntu will be available during october, opensuse 11.2 during november, so it's time for sneak-previews :-) [12:16] mblenton: don't tell my boss, but I have been using karmic on the job for a month now... no real problems. but stay with released versions to be safe! [12:18] mmauder, of course, that's why I'm on suse 10.3, which is, well, pretty old. however, I still didn't catch all the ubuntu lingo, what's karmic and so on (but I'm a fast learner .-) [12:19] mblenton: karmic is the codename for *buntu 9.10 [12:20] mblenton: if you used kde on suse the difference wont be all that great... or was suse 10.3 still using kde-3? [12:20] mmauder, one more question: is it possible to add additional software repositories to a livecd linux? e.g. this kubuntu 9.04 i'm running right now? for example, I'd like to install yakuake but the software installer doesn't find it [12:20] mmauder, 10.3 is still kde 3.5, right [12:21] mblenton: sure, no real difference to a "real" system... the file you want to modify is /etc/apt/sources.list [12:21] mblenton: need help finding a yakuake repository? [12:22] mmauder, one reason why I'm still on 10.3 is that kde 3.5 works really good, and as far as I can see, kde 4.3 is actually the first really really usable edition. (while still missing some nice features from 3.5) [12:22] mmauder, yes, help would be greatly appreciated :-) [12:23] mblenton: you need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the '#' in front of any line containing "universe" [12:24] mblenton: then run "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install yakuake" [12:24] mblenton: hope you are not into GUIs too much ;) [12:24] mblenton: but seeing as you want to use yakuake i assume you're comfortable with a cli [12:24] mmauder, well, to be honest... yes, I prefer GUI (what to tell, I'm too old for CLI and kernel recompilations :-) [12:25] mblenton: uhm... well, my turn being honest: I have no idea how to do this a gui way... [12:25] mmauder, but I know how to use CLI of course [12:25] mmauder, there's no vim on this live cd .... hmmmm.... [12:25] :-) [12:26] mblenton: I consider the absence of vim a bug ;) [12:26] mmauder, agreed .-) [12:27] mmauder, well, universe is already uncommented (via gui, obviously). now running install... [12:27] mmauder, not found. hm... [12:27] let me update first :-) [12:28] mblenton: weird... did you run "apt-get update" after uncommenting the universe [12:28] mblenton: I see ;) [12:29] mmauder, I believe I went through those steps via gui package installer, but maybe it has some issues... update's working now, we'll see [12:30] mmauder, opensuse 11.2 preview live cd is much ritcher on installed software, but as long as ubuntu provides the installations, i'm fine with that. and i guess it does [12:31] mblenton: iirc one of the concepts ubuntu pioneered was _not_ shipping with a load of software by default. so I guess it's a virtue ;) [12:31] mmauder, yakuake is installed! thanks [12:31] mblenton: you are welcome! === Guest66237 is now known as trmanco [12:32] mmauder, well, that's something probably discussed many many times. I like having it all in one place (the suse way) [12:33] mmauder, but i like how ubuntu has consistent appearance (a nightmare on suse 11.0 and 11.1 with kde3.5 and kde 4.x mix) [12:33] mblenton: yeah thats comfy ;) as you note as long as the packages are there (and the software is free in so many ways) the difference really isnt all that great [12:34] mmauder, agreed [12:34] mblenton: really, what kde3 software are they still shipping? [12:35] mmauder, I believe they used to ship both kde 3.5 and kde 4.x, as kde 4 wasn't prime-time-ready at the time [12:35] mmauder, and additionally, not all kde 3.5 applications were ported to kde 4 [12:35] mblenton: oh, I missunderstood then. suse 11 is kinda oldish then? ;) [12:36] mmauder, and you had to e.g. adjust fonts in three different control centers (kde 3.5, kde4, gtk). [12:36] suse 11.0 is pretty old, 11.1 is about a year old, or so [12:37] mblenton: and the difference between 11.0 and 11.1 is of a different nature than that between 11.x and 12.0? [12:37] mblenton: and you thought you came here to _learn_ about a distro, not teach it ;) [12:39] mmauder, 11.2 is in active development right now, don't know about v12. anyway, I'm not sure about their naming politics, but I guess they just pack what's available at the time, maintaining active development and new releases each year or so [12:40] mmauder, e.g. suse 11.1 was announced on dec.18. 2008, and 11.2 will be available on nov.19.2009 or so [12:40] mblenton: I see [12:41] mmauder, opensuse was announced on October 4th, 2007... ugh :-) [12:41] mblenton: i guess version numbers aren't really all that meaningful for a distribution anyway. as it is upstream that really counts [12:41] mmauder, but it's actively maintained, so I have all the recent software, kernels and so [12:43] mmauder, exactly, and now 10.3 repositories are going down and I'd have to upgrade to 11.something (as some core features are changed), but I don't like upgrading the core (x, kde, and so on). I go with fresh install then [12:47] mmauder, another question, please :-) I see that firefox 3.5 is now available after repository updates, but it's not offered as upgrade, at least not in the gui installer. any special reason for that? [12:47] mblenton: is it a separate package from the "normal" firefox maybe? updates are only offered for new version of the same package [12:48] !ff35 [12:48] Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 and firefox-3.5-gnome-support | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko in your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [12:48] the explanation is above mblenton [12:49] mmauder, I don't know, I already upgraded ffox 3.0.8 to 3.0.11 automatically, but now I see 3.1.x and 3.5.2... probably from different repositories [12:49] hi, how do i enable X11 over tcp in 9.10? [12:49] Ejdesgaard|, #ubuntu+1 for karmic support [12:49] thanks, guys, I guess the originating repository is also taken into consideration when looking for upgrades [12:56] hey guys how do you force a package version from terminal. i have kernel 2.6.28-15-generic. recently an update updated it from 2.6.28-15.49 to .51. now i just get a blank screen on boot. my machine has to use kernel 2.6.28-15 to work at all due to intel chipset it uses, so i just need to force the package version to .49 like i normally would in synaptic! how can i do this from recovery terminal please help?? [12:58] jonah1980, when you say 'package', you mean the kernel? [13:00] bazhang: yeah i guess so, but the package is 2.6.28-15-generic, but i need to specify the version to downgrade it to .49... === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [13:11] !virtual machine [13:11] There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications [13:11]