[00:02] <brian__> hey i just installed karmic and the update manager says i have 650 updates   but are they updates for karmic or jaunty
[00:04] <brian__> is that a dumb question?
[00:04] <BUGabundo> brian__: $ lsb_release -a
[00:05] <BUGabundo> brian__: and *how* did you install karmic?
[00:05] <brian__> thew a usb
[00:05] <brian__> alpha 5
[00:06] <brian__> what was that command for
[00:06] <bazhang> brian__, that shows the version
[00:06] <slayerboyLAP> I just did a fresh install of karmic on my system, got past the fsck failure fine, but now I can't get past gdm, it lets me sign in and then kicks me back out and freezes the system
[00:06] <brian__> command not found
[00:06] <brian__> $ lsb_release -a
[00:07] <bazhang> lsb_release -a
[00:07] <BUGabundo> brian__: '$' means it to run on a terminal
[00:07] <brian__> Release:	9.10
[00:07] <brian__> Codename:	karmic
[00:08] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:08] <BUGabundo> its very strange that you have ALL those updates
[00:08] <BUGabundo> brian__: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:08] <BUGabundo> !paste > brian__
[00:08] <brian__> i clicked on the back ports
[00:09] <BUGabundo> there are NO backport at this moment for karmic
[00:09] <BUGabundo> everything is on main or universe
[00:09] <brian__> sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: command not found
[00:09] <brian__> brian@netbook:~$
[00:09] <maxb> This is really weird. Twice now I've seen fsck complain at bootup that my superblock last write time is in the future, but ~ 1 hour
[00:09] <brian__> sorry i figured that was small enough
[00:10] <slayerboyLAP> maxb that's a known bug listed on the karmic testing page
[00:11] <maxb> .... there's a karmic testing page....?
[00:11] <slayerboyLAP> maxb http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ and click on the latest alpha
[00:12] <brian__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/265203/
[00:12] <brian__> there ya go
[00:13] <maxb> slayerboyLAP: thanks..... though this isn't first boot after install
[00:14] <BUGabundo> why are you sudoing it ???
[00:14] <BUGabundo> brian__: everything looks ok
[00:14] <brian__> never mind that from befor
[00:15] <BUGabundo> brian__: close UM and run: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrdade
[00:15] <brian__> i run it and it says  it can only  do a partial update then it shows 535 updated
[00:15] <BUGabundo> does it list 650 updates?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> brian__: close UM and run: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrdade
[00:15] <brian__> ok
[00:16] <slayerboyLAP> are the fgrlx drivers broken in karmic?
[00:16] <brian__> ok now what
[00:17] <brian__> install  ?
[00:17] <brian__> Unknown command "safe-upgrdade"
[00:17] <bazhang> safe-upgrade
[00:19] <brian__> now its working lol
[00:19] <brian__> go figure ha
[00:20]  * arand grinds teetch about the removal of gnome icons.
[00:22]  * BUGabundo follows arand
[00:30] <slayerboyLAP> anyone having problems with getting past gdm?
[00:33] <BUGabundo> some ppl are
[00:40] <charlie458> i tried installing ubuntu 9.10 alpha 5, it gets to the end of the installation, right when it says its configuring grub, then ubiquity crashes, i tried seeing if it installed properly, but no bootloader gets installed
[00:41] <charlie458> anyone able to help?
[00:41] <BUGabundo> hi charlie458
[00:41] <charlie458> hello BUGabundo
[00:41] <BUGabundo> care to try a daily?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> !daily | charlie458
[00:42] <BUGabundo> or try to repair the grub2 from livecd
[00:42] <drs305> charlie458: I think you can run through the install, don't format any of the disks and get to the grub install section to reinstall it.  Can anyone confirm this?
[00:43] <charlie458> ummm, its sorta complicated BUGabundo since i'm installing alpha 5 from a usb drive, and to put another image on it, i need to be able to use unetbootin on the same usb drive i'm using in live cd now :s
[00:44] <brian__> that thing is still unpacking and installing updates
[00:46] <charlie458> BUGabundo: in the grub system log it says: chroot: cannot run command `grub': No such file or directory
[00:46] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:46] <BUGabundo> did you check the MD5 of the usb charlie458?
[00:47] <charlie458> BUGabundo: nope
[00:47] <BUGabundo> humm
[00:47] <BUGabundo> I wonder if you got a bad download or bad image on USB
[00:47] <BUGabundo> mind rebooting and checking ?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> or you can do it from liveusb too, I think
[00:48] <BUGabundo> you can always chroot to the installed system
[00:48] <charlie458> BUGabundo: i rebooted and tried the install again, same result, here is another error i found: Sep  4 23:43:26 ubuntu python: InstallStepError: GrubInstaller failed with code 127
[00:48] <BUGabundo> update it, and install grub from there
[00:48] <charlie458> BUGabundo: how do i do that?
[00:50] <BUGabundo> there are a few wiki pages for it
[00:50] <BUGabundo> just google around
[00:51] <charlie458> BUGabundo: i think i'll just install ubuntu 9.04 or windows 7, if the installer won't work, god knows what else won't work too
[00:52] <BUGabundo> charlie458: it's an ALPHA
[00:52] <BUGabundo> you should be ready for problem
[00:52] <BUGabundo> if you want a *stable* system stick with jaunty or a LTS
[00:52] <BUGabundo> also check the MD5 or try anyother daily image
[00:53] <charlie458> BUGabundo: i wanted to be able to play around with it at least, i've tried many alphas before, always been able to at least install
[00:53] <BUGabundo> if you really want to help. please test another image, and pinpoint the problem, and report it on Launchpad
[00:53] <BUGabundo> charlie458: it has happened *many* times before to have _broken_ installers
[00:54] <BUGabundo> anything can break
[00:54] <BUGabundo> from a simple gksu (it has happened this cycle) to libc6
[00:54] <BUGabundo> or kernel that corrupt HW (remember the intel e1000e netcards)
[00:55] <charlie458> i was thinking of trying debian anyways, a rolling release is kinda nice
[00:57] <BUGabundo> debian *is* release based
[00:57] <BUGabundo> well you can call sid rolling
[00:57] <BUGabundo> but its not the same thing
[00:59] <charlie458> BUGabundo: even if i wanted to test a daily image, the only way i have to install it is off a usb drive i'm currently using in livecd
[00:59] <BUGabundo> true
[00:59] <BUGabundo> get another :D
[01:00] <bazhang> there is an issue with the latest alpha of netbook remix and unetbootin
[01:02] <charlie458> BUGabundo: can i install grub manually?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> I think so
[01:02] <BUGabundo> assuming you can get packages that actually work
[01:02] <charlie458> how?
[01:03] <BUGabundo> http://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FRecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows&ei=u6qhSr2eDsSQ-Abj0ODgDw&usg=AFQjCNHW_iMjuSRvjNQIsiNTcFcjic1m5Q&sig2=E6bJlwMRyJ7jmec7PFuLag
[01:03] <BUGabundo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:03] <BUGabundo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210820
[01:09] <billybigrigger> howdy all
[01:09] <BUGabundo> hey bbq man
[01:11] <Twigaathy> I just installed xbmc and it has made me feel very very stupid. I have no idea how to add my movies, music and TV to it when they are outside ~... :(
[01:13] <keith> os-prober doesn't seem to be detecting windows xp properly. Has anyone else had this problem?
[01:14] <BUGabundo> keith: charlie458 was having trouble installing grub
[01:14] <BUGabundo> and yesterday some one reported probs with prob too
[01:14] <BUGabundo> *os-prober
[01:15] <wastrel> scim is broken in my koala
[01:15] <wastrel> does your scim work?
[01:16] <keith> does update-grub re-generate the grub configuration?
[01:17] <billybigrigger> keith, yes
[01:17] <billybigrigger> i think there is a bug in A5 in which os-prober doesn't do anything
[01:17] <arand> keith: "man update-grub" ;)
[01:17] <billybigrigger> so after a clean install of A5, you need to run update-grub to get your dual/triple boot options
[01:19] <arand> Thats a pretty bad installer bug to have, even if it's an alpha release.
[01:20] <billybigrigger> i haven't done a clean install
[01:20] <billybigrigger> i can't confirm
[01:20] <billybigrigger> but i had a couple of people with that problem yesterday
[01:20] <keith> yeah, already got it fixed. os-prober random started detecting windows so i ran update-grub
[01:21] <billybigrigger> !grub2
[01:22] <keith> anyone know how to fix evolution so the memo and task pane doesn't keep getting in my way in calendar view? Don't think this is a karmic
[01:22] <keith> issue
[01:22] <keith> but not sure
[01:31] <lucas__> hey
[01:31] <lucas__> what is the issue on pulse-audio
[01:31] <lucas__> can someone tell me
[01:31] <Polt{laptop}> ok I finally finished dpkg-reconfigure -a
[01:31] <Polt{laptop}> hehehe
[01:31] <Polt{laptop}> I thought it would be worth it since I upgraded
[01:31] <lucas__> what is
[01:31] <lucas__> apport
[01:31] <Polt{laptop}> a bug report tool
[01:32] <lucas__> hmm
[01:32] <lucas__> what is the issue on pulse-audio
[01:32] <lucas__> this tooll produce a bug
[01:33] <lucas__> ubuntu karmic has a problem in sound
[01:33] <BUGabundo> Polt{laptop}: took you a while
[01:33] <Polt{laptop}> yeah I took my time
[01:33] <Polt{laptop}> :)
[01:33] <Polt{laptop}> I went through every option
[01:33] <Polt{laptop}> read every question
[01:33] <BUGabundo> ehehh
[01:33] <BUGabundo> I gave up
[01:33] <BUGabundo> lucas__: only one?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> lucky you
[01:34] <lucas__> BUGabundo,
[01:34] <lucas__> no
[01:34] <lucas__> lots of bugs
[01:34] <lucas__> but the most stupid bug
[01:34] <lucas__> is in pulse-audio
[01:35] <lucas__> because i am listening music
[01:35] <Polt{laptop}> really yeah this is getting on my nerves
[01:35] <Polt{laptop}> I reconfigured my entire system
[01:35] <lucas__> howw
[01:35] <lucas__> back to jaunty
[01:35] <lucas__> ?
[01:35] <Polt{laptop}> no
[01:35] <Polt{laptop}> I mean I reconfigured my system to be the way I want it after install
[01:36] <Polt{laptop}> I did "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a" in the terminal but that isn't for the feint of heart
[01:36] <Polt{laptop}> I do not advise it unless you have hours to set your system up and know what you are doing
[01:36] <lucas__> what does it do to my system ?
[01:36] <lucas__> actrually my system looks like good
[01:37] <lucas__> but i am not glad
[01:37] <Polt{laptop}> well it allows you to examine every package that has been installed ... ie> the entire system and every component and set them up
[01:37] <Polt{laptop}> everything
[01:37] <Polt{laptop}> and I mean everything
[01:37] <Polt{laptop}> fonts in tty
[01:38] <Polt{laptop}> etc
[01:39] <nemo> I get back home to an rsyslogd process on my karmic machine that is taking up 100% of CPU
[01:39] <nemo> anything anyone here might want from the process?
[01:40] <DanaG> Oooooooooooooooh, now grub2 has a savedefault!  sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
[01:41] <BUGabundo> wow
[01:41] <DanaG> look at grub2 changelog.
[01:43] <lucas__> anyway
[01:43] <lucas__> i must go to bad now
[01:44] <lucas__> 4 a.m
[01:44] <lucas__> by the way i am from Turkey :D
[01:44] <DanaG> s/bad/bed/
[01:44] <lucas__> oh sorry
[01:44] <lucas__> i am very sleepy
[01:45] <lucas__> bed :D
[01:45] <DanaG> heh, handy thing: pidgin's slashexec plugin.  lets me do this:
[01:45] <DanaG> Fri Sep  4 17:45:26 PDT 2009
[01:45] <BUGabundo> and that is ?
[01:45] <Polt{laptop}> I really don't understand this problem with pulseaudio
[01:45] <lucas__> whaere is it
[01:45] <Polt{laptop}> I mean I REALLY don't understand it
[01:45] <lucas__> USA
[01:46] <lucas__> Polt{laptop},
[01:46] <lucas__> as if alsa restarts itself again again again
[01:46] <Polt{laptop}> yes lucas__ exactly
[01:46] <Polt{laptop}> I can play music in root
[01:47] <Polt{laptop}> not in any other account
[01:47] <Polt{laptop}> I had it working earlier actually but ...
[01:47] <Polt{laptop}> now it does not
[01:47] <Polt{laptop}> it wants to just keep restarting
[01:47] <BiosElement> Polt{laptop}, I'm not sure I follow your question but have you tried dumping your PA and Gnome Sound settings? I had to do that a day or so ago and it's working fine.
[01:48] <Polt{laptop}> how do I dump the gnome sound settings
[01:48] <Polt{laptop}> I know about dumping pulse's settings
[01:48] <lucas__> hmmü
[01:48] <lucas__> what is "dumping"
[01:48] <Polt{laptop}> removing
[01:48] <lucas__> hmm
[01:48] <lucas__> i am insane
[01:48] <Polt{laptop}> like make a backup etc
[01:49] <lucas__> because i am listening dream theater
[01:49] <Polt{laptop}> but move them
[01:49] <lucas__> i love
[01:49] <lucas__> and sound stops
[01:49] <BiosElement> Polt{laptop}, When I was fixing them I also removed ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/sound/ and it seemes to work fine.
[01:49] <Polt{laptop}> lucas__ nothing wrong with Dream Theater ... good band
[01:49] <lucas__> Polt{laptop},  you listen black clouıds and silver linings
[01:50] <lucas__> i removed
[01:50] <lucas__> i will remove i wonder
[01:52] <DanaG> weird, the saved_entry versus prev_saved_entry logic seems backwards to me.
[01:53] <Polt{laptop}> ok BiosElement I am trying your suggestion
[01:53] <Polt{laptop}> something similar worked for me earlier but then I started having problems with sound
[01:53] <lucas__> nothing changed
[01:53] <BiosElement> Polt{laptop}, Aight. Hope it works, May be just a useless config but either that folder or /.pulse got things working again for me.
[01:54] <Polt{laptop}> isn't fixing mine
[01:54] <Polt{laptop}> I could try logging out and logging back in but ...
[01:54] <Polt{laptop}> this is really getting annoying
[01:55] <BiosElement> Polt{laptop}, True it is. But that's why it's alpha. >.>
[01:56] <lucas__> i wrote something to msn
[01:56] <lucas__> when i click enter
[01:56] <lucas__> sonds bother me
[01:56] <lucas__> that is shit
[01:57] <Pici> lucas__: Please mind your language here
[01:58] <Milos_SD> They say xsplash is there to replace usplash... So why is usplash still there when booting Koala? :S
[01:58] <Milos_SD> That "fancy" animation is only showed before gdm starts, and before desktop...
[01:58] <Milos_SD> :S
[01:59] <Milos_SD> isn't it supposed to be all the way when booting?
[01:59] <Milos_SD> from grub to gdm? :S
[01:59] <brian__> hey im running the karmic gnome version and its pretty stable but i dont notice much of a differance between this and jaunty
[01:59] <brian__> should i just go back to jaunty or is the alpha 5 stable enough
[02:00] <Milos_SD> brian__, if you use karmic right now, you have alpha 5
[02:00] <BiosElement> brian__, If it's mission critical, jaunty.
[02:00] <Milos_SD> there is no need to install again when new alpha comes out
[02:01] <brian__> so if i keep karmic  ill still be able to do mostly everything from befor
[02:01] <billybigrigger> brian__, there have been little to no changes in appearance yet
[02:01] <brian__> ya
[02:01] <billybigrigger> brian__, all karmic changes are pretty much under the hood
[02:01] <billybigrigger> take a look at the release notes
[02:01] <billybigrigger> TONS of changes :)
[02:02] <Milos_SD> can someone answer my question now? :D
[02:02] <brian__> ya i did im just stuck here with a fresh isntall and am wo ndering  if i should go back now or stick it out
[02:02] <billybigrigger> stick it out
[02:02] <brian__> lol
[02:02] <lucas__> f.ck alsa
[02:02] <brian__> live on the edge
[02:02] <lucas__> f.ck pulse audio
[02:02] <Milos_SD> why canonical promote that xsplash to be a new boot up screen to replace usplash, when karmic still use old Jaunty usplash?
[02:03] <BiosElement> Milos_SD, Probably because they're not finished yet?
[02:03] <blackest_knight> agreed pulse sucks
[02:03] <brian__> ya thats one thing the volume on my panel crashes alot
[02:04] <billybigrigger> xslpash has only been implemented for a few weeks
[02:04] <Milos_SD> BiosElement, Karmic HAS that xsplash animation, but in all the wrong time :)
[02:04] <BiosElement> Milos_SD, I know, notice the animation's bugged? Thus, they're still working on it. >.>
[02:04] <Milos_SD> and on a wrong places...
[02:04] <billybigrigger> hehe give it time, geez people are so impatient :)
[02:05] <Milos_SD> so, it doesn't do what it is supposed to do? :)
[02:05] <Milos_SD> yet..
[02:06] <BUGabundo> !language lucas__
[02:06] <BUGabundo> !language | lucas__
[02:06] <Milos_SD> I realy hope they will change that... if it stays like it is in alpha 5, then... well, they can remove xsplash... I see it just as any other splash screen between gdm and gnome :D
[02:06] <lucas__> sorry
[02:06] <lucas__> so sorry
[02:07]  * arand wishes they'd have torrents for dailies as well
[02:07] <blackest_knight> brian__:  i think pulse crashes and takes the volume with it but it restarts every 1/2 second anyway
[02:07] <Milos_SD> and community wanted Canonical to remove GDM->Gnome splash screen :D
[02:07] <BUGabundo>   
[02:07] <BUGabundo> +  * Users in some timezones will find that their filesystems must be checked (fsck) immediately after install due to a bug in the installer's clock handling.  Investigation of this issue is ongoing, and we expect it will be resolved in Alpha 6. (Bug:423247)
[02:08]  * DanaG uses PulseAudio.... it rocks when it works properly, but yeah, it can be a pain to debug.
[02:09] <brian__> but there doesnt seem to be any really big problem or anythin runs pretty good so far
[02:10] <blackest_knight> DanaG:  I spent a week wrestling it into submission only thing that worked was ripping pulse out and two tv cards
[02:10] <billybigrigger> wow
[02:10] <billybigrigger> what ever happened to 20s boots?
[02:10] <billybigrigger> grub to usable desktop in like 1m25s
[02:10] <arand> billybigrigger: 10s, and that's karmic+1
[02:11] <billybigrigger> hehe
[02:11] <drs305> billybigrigger: It's about 40 secs for me billybigrigger .
[02:11] <billybigrigger> jaunty+1 was supposed to have the boot process sped up
[02:11] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: post bootcharts for us to see
[02:11] <billybigrigger> i love how things change so much from A1 to final
[02:12] <blackest_knight> its about 45 minutes as it fscks itself after a crash...
[02:12] <arand> billybigrigger: and I have a feeling that it might be similar to the new theme feature (current +1)
[02:13] <Polt{laptop}> I managed to get audio working
[02:14] <billybigrigger> arand, say what?
[02:14] <Polt{laptop}> however totem isn't working right yet
[02:14] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, haha it's a pretty ugly bootchart
[02:15] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=162
[02:15] <BUGabundo> grrr stupid google bug
[02:16] <billybigrigger> ?
[02:16] <nzmm> anyone know if pyclutter 1 will make karmic.  I cannot find any info on this topic... just an idle bug report
[02:16] <arand> billybigrigger: the ETA for it will always be "lsb_devrelease+1" ;)
[02:16] <Polt{laptop}> ok this is what I notice
[02:16] <billybigrigger> arand, oh for a new theme hahah yeah i know what you mean
[02:16] <billybigrigger> did anyone notice any new artwork for the FirstArtworkDrop
[02:16] <billybigrigger> ??
[02:16] <Polt{laptop}> the default sound theme for Karmic Koala sounds weird compared to the other sound themes
[02:16] <billybigrigger> that never seemed to happen? hehe
[02:16] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: found the stupidest google bug ever: if you set your email client with Case Sensitive email address, gmail will change the outgoing email
[02:16] <Polt{laptop}> also I notice that totem does not want to play audio
[02:17] <Polt{laptop}> it gives a pa audio error
[02:17] <Polt{laptop}> other audio players play audio
[02:17] <billybigrigger> Polt{laptop}, $ killall pulseaudio
[02:17] <billybigrigger> while in the dev cycle you might want to keybind that command :)
[02:18] <Polt{laptop}> ah
[02:18] <wastrel> there are case sensitive email addresses?
[02:18] <wastrel> email addresses are case insensitive, that's the standard
[02:18] <wastrel> or so i've always understood
[02:19] <Polt{laptop}> ok and here is the other thing
[02:19] <Polt{laptop}> if you mess with the volume of the mic
[02:19] <Polt{laptop}> it will crash the sound applet
[02:19] <Polt{laptop}> and then you have to delete your pulse audio settings
[02:19] <billybigrigger> Polt{laptop}, fire up a bug report
[02:21] <Polt{laptop}> which package would be responsible ?
[02:22] <arand> Wherever did sound theme config hide now?
[02:23] <Polt{laptop}> rhythmbox works
[02:23] <Polt{laptop}> :)
[02:23] <Polt{laptop}> arand in system > sound I believe
[02:23] <Polt{laptop}> or preferences > sound
[02:23] <Polt{laptop}> audio quality is good
[02:23] <Polt{laptop}> it is just that totem isn't working for me
[02:23] <Polt{laptop}> although rebooting may fix that
[02:24] <BUGabundo> wastrel: not to google apparently http://getsatisfaction.com/google/topics/gmail_is_replacing_outgoing_email_address_when_using_casesensitive_froms
[02:24] <Polt{laptop}> luckily everything else works for me
[02:24] <Polt{laptop}> totem is the only problem right now
[02:25] <Polt{laptop}> ok so test run of rhythmbox is complete
[02:25] <wastrel> so apparently the local part of an email address is potentially case sensitive
[02:25] <Polt{laptop}> next I need to test my nvidia chipset with grub2 again
[02:25] <wastrel> i always thought it was case-insensitive per rfc.
[02:25] <arand> Polt{laptop}: hm, the only thing that can be configured there is the alert sound.
[02:25] <wastrel> however it's discouraged
[02:25] <wastrel> per wiki anyway
[02:25] <Polt{laptop}> if it does not boot then I need to remove grub2 and resort to the earlier grub somehow
[02:26] <Polt{laptop}> arand actually ...
[02:26] <wastrel> "The local-part is case sensitive, so "jsmith@example.com" and "JSmith@example.com" may be delivered to different people. This practice is discouraged by RFC 5321."
[02:26] <Polt{laptop}> no I fixed my sound config
[02:26] <Polt{laptop}> it works for me now
[02:26] <Polt{laptop}> totem is the only thing I can't get working right now
[02:26] <BUGabundo> wastrel: feel free to state that on my bug :D
[02:26] <Polt{laptop}> totem and I can't use grub2 on my machine
[02:26] <Polt{laptop}> I need the original grub back
[02:27] <brian__> my audio keeps crashing
[02:28] <brian__> in gnome-volume controll
[02:28] <arand> Polt{laptop}: actually... what?
[02:28] <brian__> libpulse-mainloop-glib0, libpulse
[02:30] <Polt{laptop}> arand I fixed my sound preferences
[02:30] <Polt{laptop}> that is what I said up there
[02:30] <Polt{laptop}> this is what you need to do arand
[02:30] <Polt{laptop}> logout of Gnome or KDE
[02:30] <Polt{laptop}> go into TTY mode
[02:30] <brian__> me?
[02:30] <Polt{laptop}> you need to delete everything in ~/.pulse
[02:30] <Polt{laptop}> arand
[02:31] <Polt{laptop}> there will be another folder in ~/.pulse called pulse.new
[02:31] <Polt{laptop}> delete that also
[02:31] <Polt{laptop}> it requires you to be root to delete it
[02:31] <Polt{laptop}> so do that
[02:31] <Polt{laptop}> and then go into ~/.gconf
[02:32] <Polt{laptop}> actually you want to look for ~/.gconf/desktop/sounds I believe
[02:32] <Polt{laptop}> and delete that
[02:32] <arand> Polt{laptop}: oh, I wasn't talking about that, I was looking for where the sound theme configs was... but I guess I'll copy this to a useful doc somewhere ;)
[02:32] <billybigrigger> bah
[02:32] <billybigrigger> mouse just died
[02:33] <billybigrigger> man i hate batteries
[02:34] <Polt{laptop}> the folder I meant to say a moment ago was ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/sound/
[02:34] <Polt{laptop}> that folder and ~./pulse/pulse.new
[02:35] <Polt{laptop}> and delete everything in ~/.pulse also
[02:35] <Polt{laptop}> ~/.pulse/pulse.new is what I meant to type above also
[02:35] <Polt{laptop}> delete your sound settings from there and log back into Gnome or KDE
[02:35] <Polt{laptop}> well really Gnome
[02:35] <Polt{laptop}> since this doesn't apply to KDE
[02:35] <Polt{laptop}> because of the Gnome settings
[02:36] <Polt{laptop}> but you see what I mean anyway
[02:37] <Polt{laptop}> ok now I have a new issue
[02:37] <Polt{laptop}> I need to resort back to the old Grub
[02:37] <Polt{laptop}> I have an old Jaunty CD
[02:37] <blackest_knight> easy method uninstall pulse and lurk in here till its workin ;)
[02:38] <Polt{laptop}> blackest_knight I fixed my pulse
[02:38] <Polt{laptop}> I just can't get totem playing yet
[02:38] <Polt{laptop}> what worked for me will probably work for you because you had similar problems
[02:38] <Polt{laptop}> same errors
[02:38] <blackest_knight> the dont adjust your mike volume
[02:38] <Polt{laptop}> yeah
[02:38] <reggieP123> hey folks how do you change gdm theme in karmic
[02:38] <Polt{laptop}> that is what I learned
[02:38] <Polt{laptop}> if you adjust the mic volume it will break
[02:39] <Polt{laptop}> it works alright anyway though
[02:39] <BiosElement> Polt{laptop}, totem doesn't work here either but exaile does. VLC sorta/kinda works.
[02:39] <Polt{laptop}> even if you don't adjust it the mic volume is set alright
[02:39] <Polt{laptop}> vlc worked for me, exailes, xmms, rhythmbox
[02:39] <Polt{laptop}> and Gnome sounds work for me
[02:39] <Polt{laptop}> sound themes
[02:39]  * BUGabundo mv /home/bugabundo /media/bed
[02:39] <blackest_knight> if you want to record with karmic its not going to be good then if you can't adjust settings
[02:40] <reggieP123> does anyone know if there is a tool to change the gdm theme in Karmic
[02:40] <Polt{laptop}> true blackest_knight
[02:40] <reggieP123> ?
[02:40] <Polt{laptop}> keep in mind though this is only Alpha 5
[02:40] <Polt{laptop}> Karmic has made alot of progress today from what I can see
[02:40] <Polt{laptop}> fixed an important audio bug pretty much
[02:40] <blackest_knight> Polt{laptop}: you know audacity is broken too?
[02:40] <Polt{laptop}> I haven't tried it but ...
[02:40] <reggieP123> I agree but it is still plagued with bugs so not sure why they would only have one beta
[02:41] <Polt{laptop}> I would imagine if my other audio is working it might work
[02:41] <Polt{laptop}> I just know that totem isn't working
[02:41] <Polt{laptop}> it may work after rebooting though
[02:41] <blackest_knight> it records a second or less and stops
[02:41] <reggieP123> totem does work but it sometimes will not close at end of video
[02:41] <blackest_knight> but lenny 1.3.5.x works well
[02:41] <reggieP123> so anyone have any ideas on gdm theme
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> reggieP123:  ive not seen a tool to do that yet.
[02:42] <reggieP123> ahh ok is there a manual method then?
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> reggieP123:  and ivbe not been able to track down the gdm config where the settin USED to be in older releases
[02:42] <Polt{laptop}> I must uninstall grub2
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> reggieP123:  so far ive not found any way to change the theme
[02:42] <reggieP123> I thought it was just me not being able to find it
[02:42] <reggieP123> nice
[02:43] <reggieP123> well thank you for the help
[02:43] <Polt{laptop}> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7835683
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> and the gdm config tool - has been cut down to the minimal features..
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> so minimal its basically useless
[02:44] <BiosElement> Dr_Willis, Probably part of the "letting users change anything short of compiling is bad!" bug that's being added. >.> No doubt it'll eventually be 'fixed'.
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> BiosElement:  right after they add the screensaver config options
[02:44] <reggieP123> HUMMM
[02:44] <reggieP123> well thanx for the help
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> http://lani78.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/gnome-auto-login-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-alpha-3/
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> google is our friend
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> is an unstable version that still is heavily under development and still lacks a graphical configuration dialog.
[02:45] <reggieP123> screensaver seems to be broken as well
[02:45] <reggieP123> i get a gnome screen saver error everyso often
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> The default configuration values used by GDM is located in the XML file named ‘/etc/gdm/gdm.schema’. The documentation does however state that any changes to the default values should be made to the ‘/ect/gdm/custom.conf’ file, which is in keyfile format.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i see a gdm.schemas  :)
[02:46] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis: hi
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> and i did look in that file.. but was looking for the old config.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> Howdy thiebaude
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo
[02:48] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis: do you have any good web links for me to learn everything about ubuntu?
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> Looks like the gdm login is not the 'finam version;'
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> thiebaude:  'everything' -> google.com :)
[02:48] <thiebaude> haha, yea
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> care to be more specific aboyut your needs?
[02:49] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis: when i help people at #ubuntu i want to answer the questions more
[02:50] <DKcross> :D
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> thats not being very specific :)
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> Good of you..  to want to help.. but... :)
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> Always good to become a bash expert. :) lots of  learning there.
[02:50] <thiebaude> ok
[02:50] <thiebaude> mate
[02:51] <Polt{laptop}> one good thing is GDM is responding well right now
[02:51] <Polt{laptop}> and I found the manual for how to revert back to legacy grub
[02:51] <Polt{laptop}> and one way or another I will do it
[02:51] <thiebaude> the new log in looks real good
[02:51] <Polt{laptop}> even if I have to install it off of the old Jaunty CD
[02:52] <reggieP123> what about grub when will grub get a nice splash like all other major distros
[02:52] <_Hicham_> i have no sound on karmic alpha 5
[02:53] <reggieP123> no way what hardware are you running
[02:53] <reggieP123> _hicham?
[02:55] <_Hicham_> HDA Intel ALC880
[02:55] <reggieP123> on a laptop?
[02:55] <_Hicham_> I was trying to fix it, but only got events sound
[02:56] <_Hicham_> no sound in players
[02:56] <_Hicham_> yes, on a laptop
[02:56] <reggieP123> ahh I have the same hardware on an hp dv7 and sound is working just fine
[02:56] <reggieP123> have you checked to see if anything is muted
[02:57] <_Hicham_> everything is at its maximum
[02:57] <_Hicham_> as I told you, events sounds are working
[02:57] <reggieP123> hey what are you doing in cooker
[02:57] <reggieP123> lol
[02:58] <_Hicham_> reggieP123 : cooker ?
[02:58] <reggieP123> yea just saw you logging in over in mandriva-cooker ahh nevermind
[02:59] <reggieP123> have you tried restarting the sound server
[02:59] <_Hicham_> i deleted ~/.pulse
[02:59] <_Hicham_> logout/login
[02:59] <_Hicham_> nothing changed
[02:59] <_Hicham_> same behavior
[02:59] <reggieP123> humm not sure then this should be elevated to someone else
[03:00] <_Hicham_> plus, when I do aplay -l
[03:00] <_Hicham_> I got no devices
[03:00] <_Hicham_> but if i do as root
[03:00] <reggieP123> weird
[03:00] <_Hicham_> i got the devices
[03:00] <reggieP123> ahh do you have permissions to play with sound and devices
[03:01] <_Hicham_> so I do "sudo chmod 777 /dev/snd/*"
[03:01] <_Hicham_> and alsamixer works
[03:01] <reggieP123> might want to head to users and groups and check on permissions noticed they had a category for sound
[03:01] <_Hicham_> is there a sound group ?
[03:01] <reggieP123> i believe there is
[03:03] <_Hicham_> thanks reggieP123, I will try that
[03:08] <blue0488>  is ubuntu 9.10 going to have all the sensors for usus p6t deluxe and the i7 and nvidia 285 gtx?
[03:09] <Dr_Willis> I doubt if anyone in here would know  the answer to such an exacting question blue0488   - theres also going to be more updates/tweaks   befor final releae.. so the best answer woule be get a live cd and test it and see.
[03:12] <alteregoa> blue: lmsensors?
[03:21] <Polt{laptop}> hey if I have my menu.lst file in /boot/grub/menu.lst how would I use grub to install that file ? My partition is on /dev/sda and it is hd0
[03:21]  * arand just noticed that the kernel and initrd are in /boot hmm.. I knew I shouldn't have renamed it.
[03:21] <Dr_Willis> theres the grub-setup command.. or was it setup-grub
[03:22] <Polt{laptop}> I don't have that Dr_Willis I am not using grub2
[03:22] <Polt{laptop}> I resorted to using legacy grub
[03:22] <Polt{laptop}> grub2 didn't work for me
[03:22] <Dr_Willis> that was the grub legacy command.
[03:23] <Nafai> I'm trying out Karmic on a machine and I'm having wireless issues, it looks like either my driver or wpasupplicant.  Any hints on how to track down what's going on?
[03:23] <Polt{laptop}> I don't have grub-setup
[03:26] <arand> Polt{laptop}: you want to install to mbr?
[03:26] <Polt{laptop}> yeah
[03:26] <Polt{laptop}> I think I did it
[03:26] <Polt{laptop}> let me check
[03:26] <Polt{laptop}> I will reboot the other machine
[03:27] <Polt{laptop}> I found grub-install
[03:27] <Polt{laptop}> I did sudo grub-install hd0
[03:28] <Polt{laptop}> it should work now I would think
[03:28] <Polt{laptop}> it found the menu.lst
[03:29] <Polt{laptop}> hmmm
[03:31] <Polt{laptop}> ah ok
[03:31] <Polt{laptop}> I did it right
[03:31] <Polt{laptop}> I need to check the top kernel parameter
[03:31] <Polt{laptop}> for some reason it isn't booting up on it
[03:31] <Polt{laptop}> the latest kernel
[03:31] <Polt{laptop}> is the last kernel compatible with the old grub ?
[03:36] <Polt{laptop}> the only thing I need to do now is get that latest kernel working with this version of grub
[03:36] <retq> can I just copy over my /var/cache/apt/archive/ if I reinstall over the same sys instead of redownloading ?
[03:38] <retq> anyone?
[03:39] <retq> I wouldn't want to mess up my repository
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> its just the download/cache area shouldent affect anything
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> be sure to NOT delete any directories by mistake
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> I recall some issues withpeopel who accidenteled some sub dirs in  those dirs
[03:46] <retq> Dr_Willis, I'm not that retarded ;)
[03:46] <retq> Dr_Willis, if I copy this, and "sudo apt-get update" it should look through the cache first, shouldn't it?
[03:46] <retq> er, "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[03:47] <retq> Or, do I have to update, before upgrading for it to look through the cache?
[03:49] <retq> haha nvm
[03:49] <retq> 5 minutes ago my update size was 120 mb now its' 2mb
[03:49] <retq> :D
[03:49] <retq> brb
[03:55] <DanaG> I always get "Downloaded 50 KB of ...."
[03:55] <DanaG> I always get "Downloaded 55 KB of ...."
[03:55] <DanaG> ....  -- what?
[03:55] <DanaG> It gets cut off.
[03:59] <Nafai> This wireless stuff is very frustrating
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> thats a whole lot of work retq did to save 100mb of downloading
[05:09] <bjsnider> Nafai, what wireless chip?
[05:37] <mattik> Hello. How to fix grub2 when using Wubi for installing. I think I can't use livecd?
[05:38] <mattik> I don't remember my identify password, but I hope you understand this :)
[06:12] <Mewtwo> I'm still having the same issue as from Kubuntu 9.04 - Can't seem to connect to WEP encrypted wireless points.
[06:12] <Mewtwo> I heard something about another wireless manager in 9.10, though
[06:39] <DanaG> Seen on a magazine cover:
[06:39] <DanaG> NURSES ALL YOUR CE INSIDE
[06:39] <DanaG> That .... group of words .... is so badly broken, it's incomprehensible.
[06:39] <DanaG> yeah, that's random and off-topic, but it amused me.
[06:40] <bucky> that's funny
[06:58] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/392039
[06:58] <DanaG> ooh, new fglrx!
[07:10] <DKcross> hello friends:p
[07:12] <scizzo-> morning
[07:15] <DKcross> scizzo-,  morning man
[07:15] <DKcross> here is midnigth
[07:27] <bucky> this is fun if you like python-gtk and glade... apt-cache show quickly
[07:29] <rsouthard> anyone getting a pulse audio crash?
[07:29] <vigo> I forgot my launchpad login stuff, do I need this for the Ubu One stuff?
[07:30] <DKcross> :)
[07:31] <vigo> I guess I do, thank you.
[07:32] <DKcross> xsplash  will be in karmic release?
[07:34] <bucky> it is already apt-cache search xsplash
[07:34] <vigo> DKcross: It is already accepted: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-August/006049.html
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> xplash is in karmic right now...
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> and everyone seesm to hate it. :)
[08:00] <vigo> Dr_Willis: Is that the GUI screen after boot?
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> gdm does some little xsplash eye candy after you login and befor the Dektop shows up
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> and again after you log out befor the pc powers off.
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> Id rather see more effort put into other things.. then splash screens. :) but i guess ya gotta have eye candy
[08:17] <vigo> Is it a longer process than 9,04? (I have not stopwatched it) yet....
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> 9.10 boots much faster for me then .4 did
[09:05] <jack_> hi
[09:05] <jack_> X still doesn't start after I upgraded to karmic :(
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. what video card?
[09:07] <jack_> nvidia fx 5200
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> odd.. normally nvidia works quite well
[09:08] <jack_> there are very many errors in .xsession-error.. :|
[09:29] <alteregoa> why is samba so damn slow on ext3 partitions?
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> never noticed..
[09:32] <alteregoa> i think it has something to do how samba and ext3 interact with the saving process
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> use ext4?
[09:32] <alteregoa> i notice it on my gigabit network
[09:32] <alteregoa> now i changed everything to ext4 and writespeeds are much faster, 30 percent faster
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> just wait for ext5!
[09:34] <alteregoa> no its really faster it was 50MB/s before adn now its 85MB/s
[09:45] <mac_v> alteregoa: you should see the delete speeds , just secs! \o/
[09:52] <richardcavell> May I ask, have they worked out the sound bugs on Karmic yet?
[09:52] <richardcavell> and are notifications in the top right corner where they belong?
[09:52] <mac_v> richardcavell: you can install karmic again ;p , notifications came back up the next day you uninstalled karmic
[09:53] <richardcavell> lol
[09:53] <richardcavell> I filed a bug and was told that it's a feature, not a bug
[09:53] <mac_v> richardcavell: guess you scared the the hell out of them ;)
[09:53] <richardcavell> and about 20 people commented on my bug pleading for the notifications to be moved
[09:54] <scizzo->  richardcavell my notifications are correctly placed now
[09:54] <mac_v> richardcavell: on the other hand there was another bug , which was asking for middle placement ;p
[09:54] <scizzo-> richardcavell: haven't had any sound problems recently either
[09:54] <richardcavell> mac_v: it should be configurable
[09:54] <richardcavell> the sound problems were annoying
[09:54] <mac_v> now both can have their pie , it is having support to have both places
[09:55] <mac_v> _ weird nic ;)
[09:56] <jussi01> oops.
[10:19] <shadeslayer> is compositing in KDE working for everyone?
[10:19] <shadeslayer> alpha 5 upgrades broke them here
[10:22] <shadeslayer> apparently xorg is not configured properly 0.o
[10:22] <vigo> yet
[10:23] <shadeslayer> vigo: idk... was a new xserver released?
[10:23] <vigo> looking now
[10:25] <shadeslayer> more upgrades.... wheee!!
[10:27] <vigo> There is an article on the ati, 9.04 and 9.10 on launchpad.
[10:27] <vigo> shadeslayer: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+question/80715
[10:27] <shadeslayer> i have a nvidia.... with beta drivers
[10:28] <vigo> oh, nevermind
[10:28] <vigo> let me look some more
[10:28] <shadeslayer> okies.....
[10:30] <eagles0513875> blargage
[10:30] <eagles0513875> can anyone tell me on a duel boot system besides the mbr where can i put grub 2
[10:31] <eagles0513875> cuz im having issues installing it
[10:32] <shadeslayer> !dual
[10:32] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[10:32] <shadeslayer> !dualboot
[10:33] <shadeslayer> eagles0513875: downloaded the software,thanks for the torrent ;)
[10:33] <eagles0513875> no problem m8
[10:33] <eagles0513875> saw your message on mac channel
[10:33] <eagles0513875> and thanks for that link
[10:33] <eagles0513875> didnt know there were instructions specifically for osx
[10:33] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[10:34] <vigo> Solved?
[10:35] <eagles0513875> ?
[10:35] <vigo> Looks like y'all solved it
[10:35] <shadeslayer> vigo: nope
[10:35] <shadeslayer> vigo: ill do the fix x dance and rebuild the nvidia module
[10:36] <vigo> dangit, shadeslayer closest I can find in docs is for 8.10
[10:36] <shadeslayer> vigo: apparently something chaneged my xorg.conf.....
[10:38] <vigo> shadeslayer: recent update?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> vigo: yeah...
[10:39] <shadeslayer> vigo: i upgraded from alpha 4 to alpha 5
[10:39] <vigo> Well that is the nature of Alpha.
[10:43] <aboSamoor> trying to watch movies is really hard according to problem with the audio.
[10:43] <aboSamoor> the sound works for 3-4 seconds then stops then continue again.
[10:43] <lucas__> hey
[10:43] <lucas__> any improvement on pulse audio
[10:44] <lucas__> this is really annoying
[10:44] <eagles0513875> shadeslayer: does this apply to karmic as well
[10:44] <shadeslayer> eagles0513875: good question.....
[10:44] <eagles0513875> cuz all that link does is tell me what works what doesnt
[10:44] <eagles0513875> and how ot install it
[10:44] <eagles0513875> not how to install the os and where to put grub
[10:44] <shadeslayer> well since grub 2 is in effect.... i have no idea
[10:45] <aboSamoor> I am not sure how to describe the problem correctly, I am using the ubuntu audio dev ppa
[10:46] <shadeslayer> aboSamoor: i have phonon and its slick
[10:46] <eagles0513875> grub 2 doesnt seem to work wheter i put it on the /dev/sda or even the / partition
[10:46] <aboSamoor> shadeslayer: I am using gnome and vlc
[10:47] <shadeslayer> eagles0513875: i think grub install has to be run on the HD itself... not a single partition
[10:47] <eagles0513875> blarg
[10:48] <eagles0513875> ok time to reformat my bootcamp partition and try the regular install cd
[10:48] <eagles0513875> actually
[10:48] <eagles0513875> the alternate
[11:01] <lucas__> hey
[11:02] <lucas__> someone there
[11:02] <lucas__> i have a seriou s problem on pulse audio
[11:03] <Boohbah> don't we all?
[11:04] <mac_v> lucas__: Boohbah: what is the problem
[11:05] <lucas__> hmm
[11:05] <lucas__> alsa restarts itself again again
[11:05] <lucas__> sound stop
[11:05] <lucas__> imeediately break
[11:06] <lucas__> sounds deteriote
[11:06] <lucas__> everytime
[11:06] <lucas__> and system produce bug on puölse audio
[11:06] <lucas__> i hope i can tell what i mean
[11:06] <mac_v> lucas__: dont use mulitple lines , type the whole problem in one line!
[11:06] <lucas__> sorry
[11:08] <mac_v> lucas__: its not clear how your problem arises... when do you notice problems? on startup? playing audio/video?
[11:09] <mac_v> * its not clear, from your description , how your problem arises
[11:09] <lucas__> i am listenin music and music stops then system produce a bug on pulse-audio. Alsa restarts itself again and again. When i click report problem. I took a message apport does not support
[11:10] <mac_v> ah , sound crashes... hm
[11:10] <lucas__> yeah
[11:10] <lucas__> it happened in one minute again again
[11:12] <mac_v> lucas__: does your bug apport report ask you options? send 1 complete report or 2 reduced report ?
[11:12] <lucas__> actually i click report the problem
[11:13] <lucas__> and it said this cannot be reported
[11:13] <mac_v> hmm , ok
[11:13] <lucas__> because of assortion ffailure
[11:13] <lucas__> and appot doesnt support this issue
[11:13] <lucas__> sorry i forgat one line :D
[11:13] <mac_v> lucas__: can you see the bug report in /var/crash/ ?
[11:14] <lucas__> just a second
[11:14] <alteregoa> how can i run cvlc as a daemon?
[11:15] <lucas__> this file is so long
[11:15] <lucas__> tihs may take a minut
[11:15] <mac_v> lucas__: huh? wait
[11:15] <mac_v> lucas__: what do you mean file is long?
[11:15] <lucas__> 1742 line
[11:16] <mac_v> you dont need to show me ;)
[11:16] <mac_v> lucas__: its there right... ok
[11:16] <alteregoa> man cvlc
[11:16] <mac_v> lucas__: what is the name of the report ? copy paste the name here
[11:17] <iswanto_> hi, where is karmic koala boot topic ?
[11:18] <mac_v> iswanto_: boot topic? artwork or about grub?
[11:19] <iswanto_> artwork
[11:19] <lucas__> okey i pasted a web site
[11:19] <mac_v> iswanto_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot
[11:20] <lucas__> name
[11:20] <lucas__> i dont understand
[11:20] <iswanto_> thanks
[11:20] <Trewas> wasn't improving booting speed one of the targets in karmic? at 52s (from grub to gdm) and years longer than in jaunty that target seems to be forgotten
[11:20] <mac_v> lucas__: what is the file name of the crash report
[11:20] <lucas__> _usr_bin_pulseaudio.1000
[11:21] <mac_v> Trewas: 10sec is the target for karmic+1 and somewhere inbetween is the target for karmic
[11:21] <mac_v> lucas__: now from terminal type this command > $ubuntu-bug _usr_bin_pulseaudio.1000.crash
[11:22] <mac_v>  $ubuntu-bug _usr_bin_pulseaudio.1000.crash
[11:22] <lucas__> mac_v,  here it is http://paste.org/pastebin/view/10261
[11:22] <Trewas> mac_v: I mainly wondered why it is so much slower to boot than jaunty, maybe I should check with bootchart WTF it is doing
[11:22] <mac_v> lucas__: see if that command gives you the same problem
[11:22] <mac_v> Trewas: thats odd , for me 30sec shorter that jaunty \o/
[11:23] <mac_v> did you upgrade?
[11:23] <Trewas> upgrade, not a new install, so fragmentation might explain some of it
[11:23] <mac_v> oh oops! lucas__ wait!
[11:24] <mac_v> $ubuntu-bug /var/crash/_usr_bin_pulseaudio.1000.crash
[11:24] <lucas__> mac_v, The problem cannot be reported:
[11:24] <lucas__> The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes
[11:24] <lucas__> that is the message i took
[11:24] <mac_v> lucas__: ah , that is an apport bug , i cant seem to find the bug , it not a pulse audio bug
[11:24] <mac_v> the pulse audio crash you face is separate
[11:25] <mac_v> lucas__: pulseaudio is set to automatically restart
[11:25] <lucas__> apport bug yesterday i ask what is apport and someone said apport was a bug tool
[11:25] <lucas__> no problm on pulse audio ?
[11:26] <lucas__> i have nine files actually beside pulse audio crash file
[11:26] <mac_v> lucas__: the pulseaudio crash is separate from apport crash
[11:26] <olegb> humhum, gconfd-2 is loving teh CPU
[11:26] <lucas__> i understood
[11:26] <lucas__> how can i fix apport crash
[11:27] <mac_v> lucas__: wait for a fix ;)
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> could try reinstalling it
[11:27] <lucas__> :D:D:D
[11:27] <mac_v> yeah , try what ActionParsnip said, reinstall apport ,see if it solves ,
[11:27] <mac_v> but actually shouldnt matter ;p
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> it fixed the apturl bug ;)
[11:28] <mac_v> ActionParsnip: that was separate bug , that was an upgrade bug
[11:28] <mac_v> this is a bug *in* apport
[11:29] <lucas__> _usr_bin_compiz.real.1000.crash
[11:29] <lucas__> _usr_bin_gdebi-gtk.1000.crash _usr_bin_luvcview.0.crash _usr_bin_moovida.1000.crash _usr_bin_nautilus.1000.crash _usr_bin_pulseaudio.1000.crash _usr_bin_seahorse-agent.1000.crash _usr_bin_totem.1000.crash _usr_bin_update-manager.0.crash _usr_bin_yelp.1000.crash _usr_lib_firefox-3.5.2_firefox.1000.crash _usr_sbin_console-kit-daemon.0.crash _usr_sbin_cupsd.0.crash _usr_sbin_update-apt-xapian-index.0.crash
[11:29] <lucas__> i have also bug report on that package
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: i see
[11:29] <mac_v> lucas__: search launchpad for the apport bug and report the problem, there is not much we can do about apport
[11:29] <mac_v> lucas__: does the pulse audio cause problems still?
[11:31] <lucas__> yeah
[11:31] <lucas__> it just starts
[11:32] <mac_v> lucas__: do you want prevent pulseaudio from restarting , temporarily until pulse audio i fixed?
[11:32] <mac_v> is*
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> could switch to alsa
[11:33] <lucas__> yeah
[11:33] <mac_v> lucas__:  first lets try this> $ gstreamer-properties
[11:36] <mac_v> change the plugin to ALSA , if that solves your problems , good
[11:41] <Trewas> it seems that actual booting is not that slow, but starting X and gdm takes ages... I thought that with xsplash it should happen early in the boot, but I guess not
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. bootings real fast here...
[11:45] <lucas__> mac_v,  just a second
[11:45] <mac_v> Trewas: xsplash is supposed to start earlier and mask usplash , but still hasnt been implemented :(
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. xplash was working here.. till i disabled it..
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:46] <Trewas> 61s boot (grub to gdm) and bootchart stops at 37s
[11:47] <mac_v> Dr_Willis: that was usplash you see , the xsplash is the one with the wallpaper
[11:47] <mac_v> s/see/saw
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> err.. it was xspash i was seeing.. because when i removed xsplash it vanished. :)
[11:48] <mac_v> Dr_Willis: hm... the old jaunty style splash right?
[11:48] <lucas__> mac_v,  must i choose OSS driver
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> No  a little line bar/throbber
[11:48] <lucas__> wait
[11:48] <lucas__> it is already alsa
[11:48] <mac_v> lucas__: the ALSA
[11:48] <lucas__> default input is ALSA
[11:48] <mac_v> lucas__: then change to autodetect
[11:48] <lucas__> default output auto detect
[11:49] <mac_v> lucas__: change default output to ALSA
[11:49] <lucas__> nu auto detect option i have custom option
[11:49] <lucas__> okey
[11:50] <mac_v> lucas__: if no plugin solves it , then you will have to live with no sound until it is fixed by the devs
[11:50] <lucas__> ok
[11:58] <lucas__> mac_v,
[11:59] <lucas__> i guess pidgin causes the sound problem
[11:59] <lucas__> pidgin detariote sound when i wrote or took a message
[11:59] <mac_v> $ echo autospawn = no|tee ~/.pulse/client.conf
[11:59] <mac_v> $ killall pulseaudio
[12:00] <mac_v> that will prevent sound from restarting^
[12:00] <lucas__> will i listen song ?
[12:00] <mac_v> nope, if you want sound again you have to restart pulse audio
[12:01] <mac_v> $ echo autospawn = yes|tee ~/.pulse/client.conf
[12:01] <mac_v> $pulseaudio
[12:02] <mac_v> lucas__: this is just a temp fix , till it is fixed by the devs , you *must* report the bug
[12:06] <shadeslayer> hehe : http://pastebin.ca/1554815
[12:15] <nonix4> Where can I rtfm how to make network bootable Karmic image on a Jaunty server?
[12:18] <Boohbah> nonix4: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[12:27] <eagles0513875> karmic is broken
[12:27] <eagles0513875> on duel booting on macbook pro's
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm
[12:42] <shadeslayer> eagles0513875: alternate cd too? wow....
[12:42] <eagles0513875> cant get grub installed
[12:42] <eagles0513875> ill just go back to jaunty
[12:50] <Ejdesgaard|> hi, how do i enable X11 tcp in 9.10 kubuntu?
[12:51] <Boohbah> Ejdesgaard|: do you mean X11 SSH forwarding?
[12:51] <Ejdesgaard|> yes
[12:52] <cortex|sk> Ejdesgaard|: i think it's enabled by default
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> that would be in the /etc/ssh/* configs if they are not enabled by default..
[12:52] <Boohbah> 'X11Forwarding yes' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[12:52] <Boohbah> should be enabled by default
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> but SSH is not installed by default
[13:05] <mattik> Hello. Is there any solution about "syntax error" when trying to load grub 2. I'm using wubi, so I'm not sure can I use livecd. I'm using latest alpha and Windows XP.
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> Wubi is scary. :)
[13:06] <mattik> I don't trust grub2 :) I have installed Windows because of that too many times
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> I dont trust Wubi.. actually i dont trust windows either....
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> but i got my windows install on its own hd and linux on its own.. i can alwyas pick what HD to boot via the bios.
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> Mixxing Grub2 and Wubi - is like mixxing Nitro and Gunpowder...
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:07] <mattik> aha :)
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Id much rther see them remove wubi and reccomend testing ubuntu in virtualbox.
[13:08] <mattik> Can I use older grub with karmic?
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> You can use the older grub. Ive heard of people doing it in here.
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> those that upgrade  from older release will continue useing older grub.
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Only clean installs will use grub2
[13:09] <mattik> ok. Thank you.
[13:14] <mattik> So if I install to own partition how can I select grub instaed of grub 2? Alternate cd or?
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> mattik: i'd install as normal, then install grub and remove grub2
[13:16] <mattik> ok. thank you. so you did it with live cd because kubuntu didn't boot?
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> mattik: yes you can do it that way
[13:17] <mattik> thanks :)
[13:25] <subchee> hello
[13:26] <subchee> is here anybody using the Karmic branch with Atheros wifi card? :)
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> subchee: me
[13:27] <subchee> what driver do you use for it? ath5k or madwifi?
[13:28] <subchee> sorry, the first question should be this: what is the type of your Atheros card?
[13:28] <maxb> AR242x
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> subchee: AR5001X+
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> subchee: works out of the box
[13:29] <maxb> ditto
[13:29] <subchee> mine is AR5001
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> subchee: i use ath5k
[13:30] <subchee> this is not working with ath5k :(
[13:30] <subchee> with madwifi I can turn it on, but can not connect to my wifi router
[13:31] <eagles0513875> hey ActionParsnip
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> subchee: it worked out of the box for me. ive not had to touch it
[13:33] <subchee> is there any difference beetween the networking subsystem which is used by Ubuntu and which is used by Kubuntu?
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> subchee: no, its only the DE and WM that is diferent afaik
[13:35] <subchee> thank you
[13:35] <subchee> so I asked it because I'm using Kubuntu Karmic now and trying to configure my Atheros card on it
[13:36] <beiruty> Firefox 3.5 does not render correctly the all-new yahoo mail
[13:36] <beiruty> icons do not show correctly
[13:38] <beiruty> next to each folder, there is an icon that does look right as if it was not completly rendered
[13:40] <beiruty> :-*
[13:40] <beiruty> anyone is here?
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: does it render ok in 3.0?
[13:41] <beiruty> nope
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: tried a different browser?
[13:41] <beiruty> I had the same thing each time I installed a new distro
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: midori or opera
[13:42] <beiruty> nppe
[13:42] <beiruty> which one should I try
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: try one of those, if its still bad then its a sucky site
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: any
[13:42] <beiruty> BTW, I copied widows profile to linux
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: just make sure the one you try isnt geko based, avoid the likes of swiftfox, kasenchaze etc
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: did you chown the folder?
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: the settings may not work with Linux
[13:43] <beiruty> what do you me
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: try renaming ~/.mozilla and retry the browser, see if its any better
[13:43] <beiruty> mean
[13:44] <beiruty> one sec
[13:44] <beiruty> let me try
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: kasenchaze and swiftfox are mozilla based so testing with them isnt any different as it  uses the same rendering engine
[13:58] <beiruty> ActionParsnip: Yeah I installed opera and GREAT Yahoo mail renders perfectly
[13:58] <Haegin> hi, are there any known bugs relating to copying large amounts of data over the network causing a crash in ubuntu-server on karmic\
[13:58] <beiruty> it seems firefox 3.5 suks on unbuntu
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: did you try renaming ~/.mozilla
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: then rerun firefox?
[14:01] <beiruty> yes
[14:01] <beiruty> and it is still the same ugly rendering
[14:01] <beiruty> opera has no issues
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> 'oh the humanity'
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> i gotta try the latest opera also..
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: i use opera personally
[14:03] <beiruty> I wish if I can stick with firefox
[14:03] <beiruty> it has  lot of extension that I am now used to
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> !find libqt-mt.so.3
[14:04] <beiruty> howevver, I have no clue why yahoo does not play nice with firefox on linux
[14:04]  * Dr_Willis would almost guess it has somthing to do with a Company with the initials 'MS'
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: contact yahoo
[14:05] <beiruty> will do
[14:06] <beiruty> how do I grab a screen shot so I can send it to yahoo
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: pres print screen on keyboard
[14:06] <Boohbah> beiruty: print screen button
[14:07] <beiruty> and where the grab screen will be saved?
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> I think it asks
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> try it and see?
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> beiruty: where you say, the screenshot app lets you say, default is annoyingly, desktop
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> at least it asks. :)
[14:08] <beiruty> :)
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> then again.. thats where i normally want my screen shots.. so i can easially drag them to drop.io
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> hi BluesKaj
[14:22] <BluesKaj> hey ActionParsnip
[14:36] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm using kde and when I go to system settings->Appearence->GTK+ Appearence I can't see how to set the current style to gnome apps...I only have QtCurve and Raleigh
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> m_tadeu: reinstall gnome-themes-ubuntu package
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> maybe
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> and / or ubuntu-artwork
[14:50] <m_tadeu> ActionParsnip: that would give more themes, I guess...but I think there was an option to use the curren kde widget style
[14:51] <pepo_> http://squat.forumcommunity.net/
[14:51] <pepo_> http://squat.forumcommunity.net/
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> m_tadeu: not sure about that really
[14:51] <bazhang> pepo_, please stop that
[14:52] <pepo_> ok
[14:52] <pepo_> are u a boot?
[14:53] <Blizzerand> Hello there anybody home
[14:53] <Boohbah> pepo_: no, bazhang is an ENFORCER
[14:54] <Boohbah> Blizzerand: hi!
[14:54] <Blizzerand> Are there anymore Ubuntu pre-releases (ie after Ubuntu 9.10 Alpha 5)
[14:55] <bazhang> Blizzerand, like the nightly builds ?
[14:56] <Blizzerand> No is this the last alpha or is there any beta thing of that sort before the official release of Karmic in October
[14:56] <bazhang> ah the release schedule
[14:57] <Boohbah> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[14:57] <bazhang> Blizzerand, can you read the topic? there is a link there
[14:57] <bazhang> whoops
[14:57] <Blizzerand> k Thanks .Guess I'm a fool lol.
[14:58] <Boohbah> so, alpha 6 coming up in 2 weeks
[14:59] <Blizzerand> k would it be possible to upgrade  from Alpha's to the real release ( ie from Alpha 5 to not yet released Karmic)
[14:59] <bazhang> sure
[15:00] <Blizzerand> Thanks.
[15:00] <bazhang> things are *guaranteed* to break though :)
[15:01] <Boohbah> yeah, gentoo is my stable host system and karmic goes on the virtualbox :)
[15:02] <scizzo-> bazhang: ?
[15:02] <scizzo-> bazhang: *guaranteed* to break?
[15:02] <scizzo-> bazhang: thats a bit mean isn't it?
[15:03] <bazhang> scizzo-, the topic is suggestive of such
[15:03] <bazhang> ie don't use on production systems
[15:03] <Blizzerand> I wanted to try the Alpha via unetbootin but unfortunate I have some trouble doing so
[15:03] <scizzo-> bazhang: it *may* break the system
[15:03] <bazhang> Blizzerand, the regular iso or the netbook
[15:03] <Blizzerand> regular iso
[15:04] <scizzo-> bazhang: saying that it will *guaranteed* break the system means that it will break things....
[15:04] <bazhang> aha. I had an issue with the netbook remix and unetbootin
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> its just that they are incomplete so some things  may run, others may not. it may be perfect. it may not even boot up
[15:05] <bazhang> this did not even reach busybox
[15:05] <Blizzerand> bazhang: I mean for installing ubuntu it needs the partition to be unmounted but unetbootin requires the boot partition qhich makes it more confusing .:S
[15:05] <Blizzerand> *which
[15:06] <scizzo-> bazhang: just try to use the *may* word instead
[15:07] <Blizzerand> scizzo : Dude stop blaming him , every alpha is meant to be buggy
[15:07] <Blizzerand> And can probably for sure break
[15:07] <bazhang> scizzo-, no need to repeat so many times. I heard you the first thanks
[15:07] <scizzo-> Blizzerand: not blaming anyone
[15:07] <scizzo-> bazhang: yes sorry...
[15:08] <Blizzerand> I tred Fedora 12 alpha but seems to have a blocker . Can't even install it
[15:09] <Blizzerand> Slack 13 released last month too is bugged
[15:32] <nekro\star> so
[15:32] <nekro\star> is a late release planned?
[15:33] <nekro\star> i'd say +1 is aroudn feisty ready.
[15:33] <nekro\star> which wasnt.
[15:33] <bazhang> nekro\star, have you checked the release schedule in the topic (ie link) ?
[15:34] <nekro\star>  27
[15:34] <nekro\star> 	
[15:34] <nekro\star> October 29th
[15:34] <nekro\star> 	
[15:34] <nekro\star> damn... wiki sux sorry
[15:34] <nekro\star> anyway, yes thats not the first time ive seen it, thought it changed or something,
[15:34] <nekro\star> which does not seem to be the case in the last few weeks anyhow.
[15:34] <nekro\star> is there something that i'm missing that i should be seeing here?
[15:34] <nekro\star>  27
[15:34] <nekro\star> 	
[15:34] <nekro\star> October 29th
[15:34] <nekro\star> 	
[15:35] <nekro\star> arg sorry right clicked on axx while going to another window  solved.
[15:35] <nekro\star> lol
[15:40] <didoaa> grub 2 .......
[15:40] <didoaa> mmmmmmmmmmm
[15:40] <nekro\star> eh
[15:49] <tj83> hello all, I hope someone can help me get my 9.10 install to a usable condition. I know this is testing but its not too far till release, I'd like to get a feel for it so that i can help others who come after release. Basically my big problem right now is sound. I get clicking and popping sounds from my audio, sound works to a degree with most applications, I have not yet installed flash as I am waiting so not to complicate the matter, i have installed exa
[15:49] <tj83> ile which does not seem to play at all. any known work a around's or thinks i should know going into this new version?
[15:50] <tj83> also my hardware: 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[16:03] <tj83> hello all, I hope someone can help me get my 9.10 install to a usable condition. I know this is testing but its not too far till release, I'd like to get a feel for it so that i can help others who come after release. Basically my big problem right now is sound. I get clicking and popping sounds from my audio, sound works to a degree with most applications, I have not yet installed flash as I am waiting so not to complicate the matter, i have installed exa
[16:03] <tj83> ile which does not seem to play at all. any known work a around's or thinks i should know going into this new version?
[16:03] <tj83> also my hardware: 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[16:07] <tj83> nobody home today?
[16:07] <tj83> is 9.10 even suitable for desktop use right now at all?
[16:07] <om26er1> tj83: its usable and quite stable for me
[16:08] <bazhang> tj83, that depends on you; for stability most definitely not
[16:08] <tj83> well anyone had problems with pulseaudio?
[16:08] <bazhang> tj83, have yet to be able to install it
[16:08] <tj83> bazhang, its in by default
[16:09] <bazhang> tj83, I meant karmic, via unetbootin (though that may be a different issue related to unetbootin)
[16:09] <bazhang> tj83, the normal iso installer is fine though
[16:10] <tj83> yes i used the .iso
[16:10] <bazhang> tj83, some users were complaining about sound issues a bit earlier today; not sure if that is related to your issue or not
[16:11] <tj83> bazhang, could be... this was build of sep2 i guess i just wait it out and see if we get an update
[16:11] <om26er1> bazhang: this might be off topic but in empathy whenever u send a message to any else i get the popup.
[16:11] <tj83> flash audio seems to be ok, and vlc plays but mplayer and exaile do not
[16:11] <om26er1> or any1 else
[16:12] <bazhang> om26er1, that is odd, I will boot my karmic vm in a bit and check it out; you may wish to check launchpad for bugs related to that
[16:12] <tj83> i also get this in syslog : Sep  5 10:56:04 quad rtkit-daemon[3249]: Warning: Reached burst limit for user ' .... google returns a filed bug with no activity :(
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> !info flwm
[16:15] <bazhang> tj83, oddly enough, an earlier build of karmic worked great with unetbootin, but one from yesterday did not; certainly the developers are working on such important issues and read this channel as well as the launchpad bugs report
[16:15] <tj83> bazhang, yes, i'll hold some patients for it to evolve.
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> bazhang:  i thought i saw some  'make usb flash drive' exe on the iso files .. seen/tried that yet?
[16:17] <bazhang> Dr_Willis, yes :) I saw that they had wubi.exe and one other on there (not tried either one though as I have no Windows machines)
[16:17] <Dr_Willis> Ok. just wonderifg if it was a smarter specilized unetbootin tool or not.
[16:18] <bazhang> it was the unetbootin from jaunty repos
[16:24] <tj83> hmmm evolution will not restore from backup either
[16:45] <NoelJB> anyone here have any with pending updates?
[16:45] <NoelJB> looking to see if I can find anyone to test bug 424879
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> i dont even know whats thats saying its doing.. :)
[16:46] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, ?
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> you are saying it wont let me uncheck/check specific updates?
[16:47] <NoelJB> No, I am saying that after unselecting, it went ahead and installed them anyway.
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> it just installed the ONE i had selcted here..
[16:47] <NoelJB> which means I now have o install the source packages, reapply the patches, and build new local packages.
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> i unselected 23 of the 24.. so i had one left selected
[16:48] <NoelJB> and it only installed the one?
[16:48] <Dr_Willis> yes - it downloaded/installed the one
[16:49] <NoelJB> Hmmm ... I had unselected, unselected all, selected all, unselected again, clicked install.  the dance was because since the ones I didn't want were all in a PPA, which it displays as a categorized group, I was curious to see if I could unselect all packages within that ppa.
[16:49] <Dr_Willis> tried again.. and it worked properly.. installed 17 of the 23 left..
[16:53] <NoelJB> Hmmm ... interesting.
[16:54] <NoelJB> I'll have to try this again when I have the same circumstances.
[17:04] <StevenMyers> Afternoon everyone. Who uses irssi and how do you get the startup file to change your username rather it being your desktop name?
[17:11] <FlamingBob> so is the new Alpha 5 any more stable than 4?
[17:24]  * StevenMyers is looking forward to Karmic Alpha 6 Sept 17th
[17:30] <StevenMyers> Afternoon everyone. Who uses irssi and how do you get the startup file to change your username rather it being your desktop name?
[17:32] <David-T>  /set real_name or  /set user_name
[17:32] <David-T> and then /save
[17:32] <David-T> although if you've got identd running that will generally override whatever you set for user_name
[17:33] <David-T> whois david-t
[17:33] <David-T> er
[17:34] <StevenMyers> Thanks David. Lemme give that a shot.
[17:35] <StevenMyers> brb going to test
[17:37] <StevenMyers> Thanks David, worked great
[17:37] <penguin42> are ther any of the classroom sessions still going on or have they finished?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> trying to mount a permanent link to wifes' pc in fstab , so that it automounts when i login . I can access her pc with dolphin/network/wife-pc but I'd like to avoid the username & password dialog popup everytime I need access. I've tried several tutorials now on this fstab entry, but none are working after setting everything up and doing the sudo mount -a in the cli ,I get this , which doesn't make any sense , since I can access thru dolphin or
[17:38] <BluesKaj> konqueror, http://www.pastebin.ca/1555075
[17:39] <Polt{laptop}> does anyone know ? has a fix for nautilus and the compiz wallpaper been introduced yet ?
[17:39] <Polt{laptop}> this has been patched from what I have heard http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=6199:%29
[17:39] <Polt{laptop}> it is a matter of recompiling nautilus to have the builtin support and someone has already done it ... it just needs to be done officially for Ubuntu
[17:40] <Polt{laptop}> has that update been released into the updates yet ?
[17:40] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I bet when you do it with dolphin it uses the username you are logged into the desktop with unless you tell it otherwise
[17:40] <Polt{laptop}> that would make alot of people happy I think
[17:40] <StevenMyers> Polt: Introduced how?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> penguin42, it asks me for username and pw everytime I try to access with dolphin...I'm trying use the fstab entry to avoid that
[17:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I'm not sure how fstab interacts with the gui mount stuff
[17:44] <BluesKaj> penguin42, cor showed me how to set up the fstab entry and followed his instructions for username and pw linkage to root access to mount the windows share etc
[17:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What does the fstab entry look like (xxxxx the password out)
[17:48] <NoelJB> does anyone know why paprefs should be dependent on packagekit-gnome?  we certainly don't want or need the latter.
[17:48] <BluesKaj> penguin42, //MARGARET-PC/C /vista_public cifs credentials=/home/kaj/.smbpasswd,uid=kaj,gid=admin 0 0
[17:49] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I think you need a user=
[17:50] <Polt{laptop}> ok installing more updates
[17:50] <Polt{laptop}> are we up to Alpha 6 yet ?
[17:50] <Polt{laptop}> :P
[17:50] <Polt{laptop}> something else I see that would be a great feature
[17:51] <BluesKaj> penguin42, it's in the /.smbpasswd link
[17:51] <Polt{laptop}> there needs to be a function in Gnome where when you lock an icon down to the panel you can control the order of icons
[17:51] <Polt{laptop}> like a prioity list in terms of where icons are placed
[17:51] <Polt{laptop}> that way an icon does not come loose from the Gnome panel and push another icon out of the way for instance if you had a type of configuration for your desktop that you like
[17:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Ah, I don't know how that works - but the error you are getting does suggest it doesn't know the user
[17:51] <Polt{laptop}> it could keep the gnome panel looking a bit more fixed
[17:52] <penguin42> Polt{laptop}: Yeh the panel can get very confused at times
[17:52] <Polt{laptop}> that would be a good feature for people that don't like to constantly rearrange icons
[17:52] <Polt{laptop}> that and the wallpaper compatibility hack for nautilus
[17:52] <Polt{laptop}> http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=6199:%29 that I believe shows how to compile in the support
[17:52] <Polt{laptop}> it was done in other distros already and was available in Jaunty
[17:53] <Polt{laptop}> for some odd reason though we haven't added this in yet
[17:53] <Polt{laptop}> and that is a major compatability thing
[17:53] <keylocker> someone here know the networkmanager process  to activate 3G devices?
[17:53] <Polt{laptop}> if you can get that working that is one less edge that KDE will have over Ubuntu's Gnome interface
[17:53] <keylocker> because im getting troubles since first version of karmic
[17:55] <keylocker> my problem today is: 3G should use acm device to connect, but NM initializates the radio via AT on data control port and (!) send dhcp request on usb0, the cdc_ether device
[17:56] <keylocker> why it dont still calling with the acm device and why nm dont use control channel to get things like signal strength and connection speed
[17:56] <keylocker> (vodafone client do this with python and its free)
[17:56] <Polt{laptop}> I would love to learn from someone sometime how to do dev work on Gnome
[17:57] <Polt{laptop}> seriously if I could I would be introducing ideas left and right because I have alot of them
[17:57] <Polt{laptop}> I just can't code
[17:57] <Polt{laptop}> not yet anyway
[17:58] <keylocker> Polt{laptop}: start with python
[17:58] <keylocker> :]
[17:58] <keylocker> its very simple and easy and you can improve a lot within gnome, kde, hal, dbus, and etecetera
[17:59] <Polt{laptop}> oh I know
[17:59] <Polt{laptop}> those are things I would work to improve upon
[17:59] <Polt{laptop}> I have a mind for this kind of stuff ... I just haven't been taught
[17:59] <Polt{laptop}> that is all I lack though
[17:59] <Polt{laptop}> once I learn to code I could help on stuff like that
[17:59] <Polt{laptop}> and would love to honestly
[17:59] <NoelJB> Ah, bug 423127
[18:00] <keylocker> Polt{laptop}: a thing a good programmer can do (and maybe i do something) is about this case of networkmanager and 3G devices
[18:01] <keylocker> vodafone 3G client dont loose anything for any windows client. can read an send sms, control contacts, control 3G, show the signal level, connection speed
[18:01] <keylocker> a lot of things. everything using python :D
[18:04] <penguin42> keylocker: I haven't used one of those devices, but I've heard other people have problems getting them to work - can you check launchpad and if there isn't already a bug in there for your model please add one
[18:05] <keylocker> penguin42: the problem is it isnt a "bug"
[18:05] <keylocker> some updated my 3G dont work, and next package updte it works ¬¬
[18:05] <keylocker> *some times
[18:05] <penguin42> keylocker: If sometimes it doesn't work then it's a bug!
[18:06] <keylocker> and how should i report a bug like this?
[18:06] <penguin42> keylocker: But if it's a sometimes bug you'll need to bprovide more info like when it worked and when it didn't and really check to see if there's an existing one
[18:06] <Polt{laptop}> really I hear alot of complaints about network manager
[18:06] <Polt{laptop}> it never seemed to work really
[18:07] <Polt{laptop}> for instance I tried to use the network manager on my LAN
[18:07] <ilor> hi, I'm having issues with nautilus being inefficient, seems to leak memory and copying large amounts of data seems slower that in, say, midnight commander
[18:07] <Polt{laptop}> and it doesn't connect my machines
[18:07] <penguin42> there's an alternative called wicd apparently - but I don't know if it's any better
[18:07] <Polt{laptop}> now if I use samba via nautilus
[18:07] <Polt{laptop}> different story
[18:07] <Polt{laptop}> samba works for me in nautilus
[18:07] <Polt{laptop}> that will mount stuff for me but the network manager never shows me as connected
[18:08] <BluesKaj> samba works in kde too but I'm trying to avoid a login box everytime i want access
[18:08] <Polt{laptop}> BluesKaj exactly
[18:08] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Try adding the user= option and see if it helps - I realise it shouldn't need it
[18:09] <keylocker> network manager have a brilhant idea and a very bad implementation
[18:09] <BluesKaj> hence my research on mounting with fstab
[18:09] <penguin42> It's difficult to know for some things like 3G if the problem is nm or the thing underneath that does the work
[18:10] <adam7> People are quick to blame the thing they can see in cases where wifi/3g/etc doesn't work
[18:11] <Polt{laptop}> I think reconfiguring every package the other day in dpkg was a really good idea
[18:11] <Polt{laptop}> now my box system feels more custom
[18:12] <keylocker> [05/09-14:09:52] < penguin42> It's difficult to know for some things like 3G if the problem is nm or the thing underneath that does the work
[18:12] <keylocker> the problem is nm implementation
[18:12] <keylocker> sure about this
[18:12] <Polt{laptop}> that is true
[18:12] <keylocker> ive read some pieces of code from vodafone client
[18:12] <Polt{laptop}> their idea is very good
[18:13] <Polt{laptop}> the implementation isn't good though
[18:13] <keylocker> have a lot of things nm dont do
[18:13] <Polt{laptop}> perhaps needs a better dbus implementation I am guessing ?
[18:13] <Polt{laptop}> there is also intelligent input bus also that possibly could be used
[18:13] <Polt{laptop}> something like that might be more efficient perhaps
[18:13] <Polt{laptop}> almost like a better communication buffer
[18:14] <BluesKaj> penguin42, the /.smbpaswd text file in the fsatb entry contains the username=wifeusername and password=xxxxx , so i don't know how else to fix it
[18:14] <Polt{laptop}> communication layer I guess is closer to what I am trying to say
[18:14] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Add to the fstab entry ,user=wifeusername
[18:14] <keylocker> [05/09-14:13:15] < Polt{laptop}> perhaps needs a better dbus implementation I am guessing ?
[18:14] <keylocker> i dont know
[18:14] <keylocker> i dont get familiar with nm code yet
[18:15] <keylocker> my aim today is find if nm can be extended with python
[18:19] <Polt{laptop}> does anyone know if the new kernel works with the old grub ?
[18:19] <Polt{laptop}> I reverted the other day
[18:20] <Polt{laptop}> I have Karmic's latest development branch version but with the old grub since grub 2 won't work on my system with my nvidia card
[18:20] <Polt{laptop}> luckily though I got everything working really well
[18:20] <Polt{laptop}> I just need to see if the most recent kernel is supported by that version of grub
[18:21] <penguin42> Polt{laptop}: I doubt there's an interaction
[18:21] <penguin42> Polt{laptop}: There really shouldn't be
[18:21] <Polt{laptop}> so are you saying that it should be supported ?
[18:22] <Polt{laptop}> I am thinking that it should be supported ... I don't know why grub would affect it really but I didn't know if it could have been because of different kernel source or something
[18:22] <penguin42> old grub should boot a new kernel fine
[18:24] <Polt{laptop}> penguin42 that is what I thought also
[18:24] <Polt{laptop}> I might try it again
[18:24] <Polt{laptop}> last time it kind of locked up but then again I was booting that kernel with the nvidia setup before anyway so it may work
[18:24] <Brian__> one thing i noticed with the new 9.10 is you can drag windows above or below the panels in 9.04 the window would just stop at the panel
[18:41] <Tallken> hallo
[18:41] <penguin42> hi
[18:42] <jarkko> hmm, there seems to be some troubles handling the X86Sleep key event in karmic?
[18:42] <Tallken> :) can anyone tell me if ubuntu-bug is working on Kubuntu Karmic? it here doesn't open any browser, though it collects info
[18:43] <NoelJB> Polt{laptop}, that's what VMs are for.  I've gotten to the point where after my next clean install, all of my package development will be done in a VM to keep the native enviroment cleaner (lack of easy reverse on apt-get build-dep)
[18:44] <NoelJB> Tallken, yes, it works.  it also crashes.  I've had both experiences as recently as today.
[18:45] <jarkko> I can suspend from the menu, but by using Fn-F4 (on thinkpad T61) nothing happens, although xev tells me that the event is emitted.
[18:45] <NoelJB> Tallken, it worked for me again after I closed all open firefox windows.
[18:45] <NoelJB> jarkko, really?  Fn-F4 was working for me earlier.  I haven't tried in the past couple of days.
[18:46] <NoelJB> jarkko, T61p (6457-7WU) with nvidia 185.18.36.  You?
[18:46] <jarkko> NoelJB: never got it working with karmic, but with hardy it was fine
[18:47] <NoelJB> jarkko, it WASN'T working with karmic, but it is again for me.
[18:47] <NoelJB> jarkko, bug 408654
[18:48] <arvind_khadri> what is this ubuntuone all about?
[18:48] <jarkko> this is T61 with nvidia 185.18.36 as well
[18:48] <Tallken> I just have Opera & Arora, NoelJB. I know ubuntu-bug worked with Opera on Ubuntu 9.04 or so
[18:49] <smithna> Hi, I'm trying to get lirc to work in karmic...  however, I can't find/load the modules for my device.  Is there a package (outside of lirc) that needs to be installed?  linux-ubuntu-modules seemed to be that package for Jaunty - is it still for karmic?
[18:49] <^mNotIntelligent> hello everyone!
[18:50] <NoelJB> arvind_khadri, Canonical's branding of additional services.  Considered by some to be controversial due to the use of the Ubuntu name.  The one you're looking at is a shared file thing, like dropbox.
[18:51] <NoelJB> !ubuntuone
[18:51] <arvind_khadri> NoelJB, how is it useful?
[18:51] <NoelJB> arvind_khadri, see https://ubuntuone.com/
[18:52] <arvind_khadri> NoelJB, hmm, got it
[18:52] <NoelJB> I believe that the next service is going to be a software store, ala the iTunes Store but from Canonical.
[18:53] <arvind_khadri> i would like it, sans the DRM
[18:53] <NoelJB> See also: http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/8843
[18:53] <arvind_khadri> has anyone here been successful in setting up grub2 for xen?
[18:54] <NoelJB> arvind_khadri, I saw some bug reports on that ... see also: http://bderzhavets.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/loading-xen-via-grub2-on-top-ubuntu-karmic-server-alpha-4/
[18:55] <arvind_khadri> NoelJB, actually, i have kamic and lenny has the xen
[18:57] <NoelJB> jarkko, I had it working with hardy, NOT intrepid, Jaunty and (now) Karmic.  Intrepid works from the menu, but a bug prevented Fn-F4 from working.
[18:59] <jarkko> NoelJB: I skipped intrebid, dunno about that. but now, nothing happens from Fn-F4
[19:00] <NoelJB> jarkko, I just did it here.  Worked fine.
[19:01] <NoelJB> jarkko, which kernel do you have?  you've already said nvidia 185.18.36.
[19:01] <jarkko> 2.6.31-9-generic
[19:01] <NoelJB> I just tested, and am on 2.6.31-9
[19:01] <NoelJB> OK, which model #?
[19:02] <Tallken> ok, for the record, added a bug report for kopete disconnecting from MSN with error 800. bug #424925
[19:02] <jarkko> NoelJB: can I dig out the model number somewhere?
[19:04] <NoelJB> jarkko, multiple log files have it.  For example, Xorg.0.log should have a "product name is" string
[19:09] <NoelJB> jarkko, one thing that you may run into, although I don't believe that it should make a difference here, is that Ubuntu totally removed tp_smapi from the karmic kernel.  You must build and install the module yourself.  See http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi, which is out-of-date but useful.  The good news, I suppose, is that because it is NOT there anymore, we no longer have issues putting in a modern version.
[19:10] <NoelJB> jarkko, this will walk you through it: http://meandmyubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/05/getting-hdasp-to-work-on-jaunty.html although I don't know if tp_smapi is making the difference.  It is just the most glaring thinkpad specific thing between us.
[19:14] <jarkko> NoelJB: ok thanks. will read those soon. didn't find the number yet and got a little busy right now, so I'll get back to this at some point, I hope :)
[19:16] <pkkm> why Ubuntu 9.10 is in Update Manager?
[19:20] <NoelJB> pkkm, what do you mean?
[19:21] <matata>  I had a problem when updating to Karmic, it's not related to specific software, it's system bug, where to report it ? I lost keyboard layout after upgrading !!! any idea ?
[19:22] <NoelJB> matata, if you go to System->Preferences->Keyboard, and view the Layouts tab, what do you see?
[19:24] <matata> NoelJB: I'm using LXDE
[19:24] <NoelJB> ah
[19:24] <matata> NoelJB: in jaunty I configured the keyboard layout with the ubuntu installer
[19:25] <matata> so, it was system wide configured for all the environment!
[19:27] <NoelJB> matata, does the setxkbmap solution you've told others about not work for you with karmic?
[19:29] <matata> NoelJB: I've told about ?
[19:29] <NoelJB> matata, was this not you? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1039107
[19:30] <matata> NoelJB: oh yes sure, it's me :-)
[19:30] <matata> NoelJB: it's working in this way
[19:31] <smithna> 2nd question: I have a touchscreen whose x-axis is reversed...  I've tried swapx setting in the appropriate .fdi file, is there some other way to correct this?
[19:31] <NoelJB> matata, and have you been following the keyboard changes in LXDE, e.g., http://blog.lxde.org/?p=372 ?
[19:31] <smithna> bonus points awarded for hints on question 1  :}
[19:33] <NoelJB> matata, by the way, it appears that there is a new karmic/LXDE build: http://blog.lxde.org/?p=514
[19:34] <matata> NoelJB: there's no lxpanel-xkb in Karmic :-(
[19:35] <td123> anyone else have missing icons in the gnome menus?
[19:35]  * td123 is updating to see if it's been fixed
[19:35] <NoelJB> matata, it appears that there are some LXDE-specific IRC channels: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/IRC_Chat  you might have better luck with LXDE specific stuff there.
[19:35] <NoelJB> td123, such as?
[19:37] <pkkm> NoeIJB: I think non-advanced users shouldn't be able to update to beta
[19:37] <matata> NoelJB: I think it's Karmic issue, cause in Jaunty I didn't configure LXDE, I configured the system by the installer , so the keyboard layout was everywhere
[19:38] <Brian__> i installed karmic alpha 5 and when i start my computer the menu pops up and asks what one i want to start as if i had a dual boot setup  how can i make it just start normaly
[19:38] <cumulus007> Hi, the Software Store application is translated with open permissions on Launchpadf
[19:38] <NoelJB> Brian__, clean install?  are you just seeing the grub menu?  grub2?
[19:39] <Brian__> ya  it lists 4 options
[19:39] <Brian__> normal  safe mode and another
[19:39] <Brian__> but two of the options are the same
[19:40] <NoelJB> matata, could you have run into Bug 424854
[19:40] <matata> NoelJB: ok
[19:40] <NoelJB> matata, might not be that one directly, but one that it links to related to keyboard layout loss.
[19:41] <matata> NoelJB: it's the most closer issue , thanks
[19:41] <cumulus007> this is undesirable, because now uncapable translators have the possibility to translate it
[19:41] <NoelJB> matata, what about bug 401497?
[19:42]  * penguin42 notes he's glad the notifications where they used to be
[19:43] <td123> NoelJB: basically almost all the icons for gnome's submenus are gone
[19:43] <NoelJB> td123, not here.
[19:43] <NoelJB> td123, you mean like System-Preferences, you have no icons?
[19:44] <penguin42> td123: You can turn them back on under preferences
[19:44] <penguin42> td123: system->preferences->appearance->interface->show icons in menus
[19:44] <matata> NoelJB: yes it's nearly  the same with 401497
[19:45] <td123> penguin42: yup, that fixed it
[19:45] <matata> NoelJB: I lost the variant after upgrading
[19:45] <td123> but this is a fresh install, that should have happened, alpha 5 btw
[19:45] <penguin42> td123: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/407621    apparently someone believes it looks better with out them - I just don't get it
[19:46] <td123> penguin42: lol, that someone is a fail
[19:46] <penguin42> td123: Please comment on there as well
[19:48] <td123> will do
[19:48] <NoelJB> penguin42, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/407621/comments/13
[19:48] <NoelJB> As noted, "even Ubuntu's team is against this change"
[19:48] <metalf8801> Soes anyone know why Empathy has replaced Pidgin in Ubuntu 9.10? (if this is the wrong place to ask this please tell me where the right place is)
[19:48] <metalf8801> Does*
[19:49] <NoelJB> metalf8801, because of the telepathy framework.  considered more important to have a programming framework (tubes), and pidgin was late with voice/video.
[19:49] <penguin42> NoelJB: It's trivial for the Ubuntu team to default those config options back on; although the problem is apps are starting to have screwed up buttons that don't have icons even when they're turned on
[19:50] <NoelJB> so those two things pushed against the more mature and functional pidgin.  you can have both.  Fedora did the same as ubuntu.
[19:52] <NoelJB> penguin42, and I believe from what mpt has written, that turning them off by default is intentional, even though he doesn't like it, to force out into the open any bugs in apps that require the non-default behavior.
[19:53] <penguin42> NoelJB: I think you only notice the bugs when they are forced on
[19:54] <Brian__> i really like how good 9.10 feels , i cant really put my finger on it but you can tell its bteer
[19:54] <NoelJB> penguin42, see comment 17
[19:54] <Brian__> better
[19:55] <NoelJB> Brian__, compared to jaunty, at least for me, *anything* is better.  my experience with jaunty has lead me to refer to it as the Vista of Ubuntu.
[19:55] <Brian__> lol nice
[19:56] <penguin42> NoelJB: Oh I see for that category of bugs; it's missing a different category though
[19:57] <NoelJB> I have a few PPAs with important fixes (network management, audio, gpm), but with those, karmic is looking very good.
[19:58] <BluesKaj> those dudes over at #samba are no help at all ...totally ignored my question, which for networking specialists shouldn't too difficult
[19:58] <Brian__> where did the compiz menu go it use to be in the admin menu
[19:58] <NoelJB> Brian__, compiz menu?
[19:58] <Brian__> ya ya kniow to edit compiz
[19:59] <NoelJB> Ah, for me it is under System->Preferences.
[19:59] <NoelJB> you mean ccsm, right?
[19:59] <Brian__> its not under system pref  for me
[20:00] <NoelJB> Brian__, do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[20:00] <penguin42> the most serious bug left in Karmic for me is that it's not screenlocking on hibernate
[20:00] <Trizicus> I'm trying to test the new Ubuntu 9.10 Alpha 5 via LiveCD when it starts to boot up it asks me for login, why is this?
[20:00] <td123> BluesKaj: remember, they're not getting paid to answer your questions...
[20:01]  * penguin42 has failed to find anything that documents the hibernate process and hence what should cause the screenlock
[20:01] <NoelJB> penguin42, I never hibernate so I haven't tried.  I do have it working with suspend/resume, though.  Does it behave differentially for hibernate?
[20:01] <Trizicus> I'm trying to test the new Ubuntu 9.10 Alpha 5 via LiveCD when it starts to boot up it asks me for login, why is this?
[20:02] <penguin42> NoelJB: I'm not sure; I very rarely use suspend - I think it's supposed to work the same; it worked fine in Jaunty and before
[20:02] <Brian__> just hit enter
[20:02] <NoelJB> penguin42, what do you have under System-Preferences->Screensaver?  I have both checkboxes enabled.
[20:02] <Trizicus> wont work
[20:03] <penguin42> NoelJB: Well, ignoring for a minute that I seem to have three screensaver items on that menu; the last one has both tick boxes ticked; activate screensaver when computer is idle, lock screen when screensaver is active
[20:03] <NoelJB> OK, that's the same as here.  What others do you have?
[20:04] <NoelJB> penguin42, you're on a laptop?
[20:04] <penguin42> NoelJB: The others are xscreensaver preference dialogs (I don;'t have it running); yes I'm on a laptop
[20:04] <penguin42> NoelJB: Although I use it as a desktop; always on AC, with an external display in addition to the internal
[20:05] <NoelJB> what happens if you close the lid?  what do you have configured?
[20:05] <Brian__> under synaptic there is a missing recommends filter  in it i have a few apps it recommends i should download them ha
[20:05] <penguin42> NoelJB: Erm I don't know; I never do it except after I've hibernated!  The action I have listed for When laptop lid is closed is blank screen
[20:07] <NoelJB> penguin42, same here.  and if I close the lid, when I open it I am prompted to login.
[20:07] <NoelJB> well, authenticate, not login  :-)
[20:08] <penguin42> NoelJB: Nod; this always previously worked for me - ctrl-alt-l works for me and gives me a screen lock with password - but I'm not sure how the hibernate action is wired to the screenlock
[20:08] <penguin42> NoelJB: I expect it might be d-bus or the like
[20:09] <penguin42> NoelJB: What do you see for ps -eaf|grep saver
[20:09] <NoelJB> penguin42, /etc/acpi  I believe you can control things by tweaking hibernate.sh if necessary.
[20:10] <NoelJB> bingo.  I'll bet that's it.
[20:11] <NoelJB> Brian__, what is it recommending?
[20:12] <NoelJB> Brian__, and you never responded to whether or not you had compizconfig-settings-manager installed.  Isn't that the control panel you wanted?
[20:12] <penguin42> NoelJB: I assume there is a config file of some form rather than having to tweak those by hand
[20:12] <NoelJB> penguin42, fwiw, I have gnome-screensaver
[20:12] <NoelJB> penguin42, yeah, right.  ;-)
[20:12] <Brian__> NoelJB: sorrry ya i got it thanks
[20:12] <BUGabundo> hey
[20:13] <NoelJB> Brian__, so you have your menu item back?
[20:13] <penguin42> NoelJB: Same here; what happens for you if you do sudo sh /etc/acpi/lockbtn.sh    for me it does nothing
[20:13] <Brian__> NoelJB: it was recommending tix    and some pulse audio
[20:13] <Brian__> NoelJB: yup
[20:13] <penguin42> hmm
[20:13] <NoelJB> Brian__, I do have tix, and which pulseaudio is it recommending?
[20:14] <Brian__> what  is tix
[20:14] <Brian__> i downkload it but i cant find it
[20:14] <penguin42> NoelJB: I have 'LOCK_SCREEN=true' in /etc/default/acpi-support
[20:16] <NoelJB> Brian__, apt-cache show tix  ;-)
[20:16] <NoelJB> or for the contents, dpkg -L tix
[20:17] <NoelJB> penguin42, OK
[20:17]  * penguin42 wonders if there is any way to compare the whole of /etc/defaults to the default ubuntu package contents for those
[20:18] <Brian__> what is tix though
[20:18] <penguin42> NoelJB: What did that lockbtn.sh do for you?
[20:23] <NoelJB> penguin42, sorry, hadn't tried.
[20:23] <NoelJB> penguin42, nothing by itself.
[20:24] <penguin42> NoelJB: Hmm OK, same here - I was hoping maybe that should have done the lock
[20:24] <NoelJB> penguin42, but Fn-F2 works fine
[20:24] <penguin42> Fn-F2?
[20:25] <NoelJB> that's the lock key on my thinkpad
[20:26] <penguin42> ah
[20:27] <sque> Does anyone know how to install karmic with grub-efi?
[20:31] <penguin42> sque: No, but have you tried installing the grub-efi package?
[20:32] <sque> penguin42: should make a normal installation(under bootcamp) and then install grub-efi and try to upgrade boot code?
[20:33] <sque> I was asking if there is a direct method from installation cd
[20:33] <penguin42> sque: That would be my guess; but I haven't done it
[20:33] <penguin42> sque: I suspect it's best to hunt for the real instructions - I assume htere are some somewhere!
[20:34] <sque> as far as I have read karmic (after june) has all the needed patches for efi, however there are not any detailed instructions (yet)
[20:34] <penguin42> sque: I know it's using GRUB2 now so maybe hunt for some generic instructions for that - but I'd guess you would hope an installer would figure it out itself!
[20:35] <NoelJB> sque, does http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/07/23/linux-on-an-apple-xserve-efi-only-machine/ help?
[20:35]  * BluesKaj concludes smbfs and cifs in fstab non-default permissions are broken on karmic
[20:36] <BluesKaj> anyway time to go to the beer store and other essential life -giving errands :)
[20:37] <penguin42> oh god, the can't print on tuesday bug is wonderful :-)
[20:37] <sque> NoelJB: I think it will help a lot!
[20:37] <sque> ty
[20:38] <penguin42> http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/15/bohrbugs-openoffice-org-wont-print-on-tuesdays/
[20:48] <JanC> old  ;)
[20:48] <NoelJB> that's quite interesting, especially Jerry W's comments.
[20:48] <NoelJB> sque, you're welcome :-)
[20:59] <JanC> NoelJB: those comments are nice indeed, shows that that sort of bugs can be not-funny too (where "Brother printers don't print on Tuesdays when printing from OOo" is the funny kind of bug once it's solved)
[21:00] <Brian__> jenny w is my sister
[21:00] <Brian__> jennifer webb
[21:01] <NoelJB> Brian__, context??
[21:01] <Brian__> member:identifier:noeljb
[21:01] <Brian__> :
[21:01] <Brian__> that's quite interesting, especially Jerry W's comments.
[21:02] <NoelJB> Jerry, not Jenny.  Gerald (Jerry) Weinberg
[21:02] <Brian__> oh lol sorry
[21:02] <Brian__> but i was wondering why do they log aLL of the irc rooms
[21:03] <NoelJB> Brian__, depends on the room.  the network manager dev room isn't logged as far as I know.
[21:04] <DKcross> hey amigos!!.. friends any have problems with apport update?
[21:05] <DKcross> var/cache/apt/archives/apport_1.8.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[21:05] <DKcross> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:05] <NoelJB> DKcross, I have that installed.
[21:06] <DKcross> what NoelJB
[21:06] <DKcross> ?
[21:06] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: the NM is not OURs :)
[21:06] <NoelJB> DKcross, I have apport_1.8.2-0ubuntu1 installed.
[21:07] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, point?  not all irc channels are logged.  some groups do, some groups don't.  that's all I observed.
[21:07] <penguin42> logging them is useful so that people can find the answers that people have given
[21:08] <NoelJB> penguin42, I agree.  *I* log them, anyway, in case I need to refer back to stuff.
[21:08] <penguin42> NoelJB: People sometimes trip down a dataprotection minefield
[21:09] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: Ubuntu logs most official #s to have proof when discussions of "he said, she said" occurs
[21:11] <DKcross> :o
[21:12] <BUGabundo> soo to help DKcross
[21:12] <BUGabundo> please clear your cache
[21:12] <DKcross> :o
[21:12] <BUGabundo> and try changing servers
[21:12] <DKcross> ok
[21:12] <DKcross> recomend any?
[21:17]  * penguin42 gets shocked to find KDE's filemanager allows a / in the filename
[21:18] <penguin42> it puts %2f in the filename rather neatly
[21:19] <BUGabundo> DKcross: any _other_ should do it
[21:19] <BUGabundo> also do $ sudo apt-get clean
[21:20] <DKcross> :o
[21:21] <DKcross> but what server recomend?
[21:22] <BUGabundo> any other one close to you ?
[21:22] <BUGabundo> or Main, if you are not using it
[21:24] <billybigrigger> DKcross, where do you live?
[21:24] <DKcross> El Salvador
[21:24] <BUGabundo> DKcross: also try using aptitude to be sure its not a depencie prob
[21:25] <DKcross> but i try with the option, the better server for you
[21:25] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:25]  * BUGabundo jokes 
[21:25] <BUGabundo> those that even work?
[21:25]  * BUGabundo jokes  */
[21:25] <penguin42> BUGabundo: && is much better than ;
[21:26] <DKcross> i am trying with sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:27] <BUGabundo> don't forget aptitude update first :)
[21:27] <BUGabundo> since you changed server
[21:33] <DKcross> BUGabundo,  what is the diference between apt-get and aptitude
[21:34] <DKcross> sorry but apport have problems
[21:34] <DKcross> :(
[21:34] <DKcross> with aptitude too
[21:35] <BUGabundo> DKcross: can you pastebin the error?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> !paste > DKcross
[21:36] <BUGabundo> DKcross: both are frontends to APT
[21:36] <DKcross> ook
[21:36] <DKcross> !paste
[21:36] <BUGabundo> in my personal opinion aptitude (or at least safe-upgrade) can better handle depencies in a devel cycle
[21:40] <DKcross> http://paste.ubuntu.com/265760/
[21:40] <DKcross> BUGabundo,
[21:40] <Nafai> I need some help tracking down why my wireless won't connect to my router after upgrading to Karmic.  I have an Intel 3945ABG
[21:41] <Nafai> In particular, I'm seeing this in /var/log/syslog:
[21:41] <Nafai> nm_setting_802_1x_get_pkcs11_engine_path: assertion `NM_IS_SETTING_802_1X (setting)' failed
[21:41] <BUGabundo> Nafai: what kernel, ubuntu or kubuntu, using NM, or wicd?
[21:42] <DKcross> BUGabundo,  can you see the problem?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> looking
[21:43] <BUGabundo> two things
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Se configurarán los siguientes paquetes que están ahora parcialmente instalados:
[21:43] <BUGabundo> one is that
[21:43] <BUGabundo> it warns you about parcial updates
[21:43] <BUGabundo> two
[21:43] <BUGabundo>  * Stopping automatic crash report generation: apport                 /etc/init.d/apport: 24: runlevel: not found
[21:43] <BUGabundo> soemting is missing in the run levels
[21:44] <BUGabundo> DKcross: if no one else experiences this , then it's a local prob, where you manually changed something
[21:44] <BUGabundo> or a very uncommon system setting
[21:46] <DKcross> :o
[21:46] <Nafai> BUGabundo: 2.6.31-9, Ubuntu, NM
[21:50] <BUGabundo> Nafai: can you ask asac on #ubuntu-mozillateam ?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:52] <billybigrigger> what is the name of gnome's bottom panel?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> panel ?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:53] <BUGabundo> app launcher is one of the sub panel
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> :)
[21:53] <BUGabundo> you have also desktop switcher
[21:54] <BUGabundo> minimize applet
[21:54] <BUGabundo> and I have two others
[21:54] <BUGabundo> commonly seen on my screenshot
[21:54] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, i can't seem to get the bottom-panel to appear
[21:54] <BUGabundo> I havnt taken one in a long time :\
[21:59] <BUGabundo> a tiny bit OT, but any of you guys codes in java, and is interested on a FLOSS project ?
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> No and.. no? :)
[22:00]  * Dr_Willis is too busy  hand holding people in #ubuntu lately it seems.
[22:02] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: up for it?
[22:02] <kklimonda> up for what? my session just crashed :)
[22:03] <BUGabundo> http://status.net/wiki/BUGabundo/mobileapp
[22:03]  * kklimonda is reading a backlog
[22:04] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: hard to tell, I haven't had time lately but it may change soon
[22:04] <kklimonda> brb
[22:04] <BUGabundo> why is that?
[22:08] <edoceo> I just did an update, now when booting I get 'out of range pointer 0x400040'
[22:09] <BUGabundo> that's bad
[22:09] <BUGabundo> edoceo: what updates did you get?
[22:09] <edoceo> Karmic stuff from today
[22:09] <edoceo> I see some other reporters in the forums
[22:10] <BUGabundo> oooohhhh ooooo hhhhh
[22:10] <edoceo> Fix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1258019
[22:10] <edoceo> Comment #7
[22:11] <smithna> Hi, I'm trying to get lirc to work in karmic...  however, I can't find/load the modules for my device.  Is there a package (outside of lirc) that needs to be installed?  linux-ubuntu-modules seemed to be that package for Jaunty - is it still for karmic?
[22:11] <edoceo> For them it was loading a font, I don't know how to get that from the grub command line, change GRUB_TERMINAL
[22:12] <BUGabundo> edoceo: is this on Launcpad already?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: ping you around? seems to be a grub bug
[22:12] <edoceo> BUGabundo: yep: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/424503
[22:12]  * BUGabundo goes look at daily updates list
[22:12] <fagan> Owch
[22:12] <BUGabundo> grub2 (1.97~beta1-1ubuntu4) karmic; urgency=low
[22:12] <BUGabundo>   * Move grub-reboot and grub-set-default to grub-$platform, since
[22:12] <BUGabundo>     grub-common is also used by GRUB Legacy (LP: #424425).
[22:13] <edoceo> Dang, my fix is to boot and run grub-update but I can't boot :(
[22:14] <BUGabundo> boot from live cd and chroot
[22:14]  * edoceo looks for a live cd in the pile of crap I call an office
[22:15]  * edoceo also notices that we have the same crappy ATI Radeon Mobility video card that everyone else has :(
[22:16] <fagan> edoceo: I dont have one
[22:16] <edoceo> I mean everyone who's reporting the same issue as me in bug 424503
[22:17] <fagan> ah
[22:22] <Tecumseh> I have a quastion about kubuntu karmic and nvidia restricted driver (185). When I installed Karmic alpha 5 from the i386 livecd I get a correctly configured graphics card that is set at a resolution of 1600x1200. For compositing effects I install the restricted driver and now i can't get the resolution higher than 1024x768. According to the hardware information plasmoid my gpu is this: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6100 nForce 405] (rev
[22:22] <Tecumseh> a2). How can I configure my setup that it runs on the desired resolution (in my case 1280x1024)?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> Tecumseh: hi. how recent is that GPU?
[22:24] <fagan> Tecumseh: I use that driver and the only way to set the resolution is using the nvidia x server settings application.
[22:24] <fagan> its in system>admin>nvidia x server settings
[22:24] <Tecumseh> BUGabundo: it's more than 1 year old, it's an onboard GPU
[22:24] <Tecumseh> fagan: is there still a problem that it doesn't remember the given settings?
[22:25] <fagan> you need to sudo it to save the xorg.conf file
[22:25] <BUGabundo> fagan: we don't even need xorg.conf anymore
[22:25] <fagan> Oh the other thing
[22:25] <bjsnider> yes we do need xorg.conf
[22:26] <fagan> I still think of it as that
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> I got to use the xorg.confto get twinview set up right
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> and keep gdm to starting onthe proper moinitor
[22:26] <fagan> and the file is still there
[22:27] <blue0488> is the new video set up in ubuntu 9.1 going to make it easier to scale screen sizes?
[22:27] <fagan> /etc/X11/xorg.conf is there for me anyway
[22:27] <BUGabundo> fagan: many users don't have it
[22:28] <BUGabundo> I have a very simple one
[22:28] <bjsnider> Technoviking, it's possible your monitor has a broken EDID, which the nvidia blob is currently very picky about
[22:28] <fagan> nvidia settings has to use it
[22:28] <bjsnider> sorry, wrong guy
[22:28] <tecumseh> this gets a bit strange, after running nvidia-settings I got my display set correctly. I go to system-settings to set (force) the dpi settings and x hangs
[22:30] <fagan> You cant use the system default ones because it doesnt know how to do stuff right.
[22:52] <alteregoa> is there a  program watchdog for linux?
[22:54] <edoceo> alteregoa: what do you want to watch?
[23:06] <taneli> network manager (nm-applet?) is unaware of wireless networks
[23:06] <taneli> everything works ok, I have good connectivity etc. but nm-applet only shows empty bars and a small x
[23:06] <taneli> known problem?
[23:06] <tj83> anyone had problems with network connectivity dropping out randomly?
[23:07] <edoceo> taneli: tj83: I've had both of those issues with Karmic - but seems to be working OK with today's update (for me at least)
[23:08] <BUGabundo> taneli: WFM
[23:08] <taneli> BUGabundo: what's that supposed to mean?
[23:08] <taneli> edoceo: did an upgrade 1 hour ago, even rebooted, didn't help
[23:09] <tj83> edoceo, hmm.... i'm up to date.... i manually set my static settings in /etc/network/interfaces and removed network-manager-gnome and since i seem to have this problem worked fine in previous versions
[23:09] <edoceo> Hmm, well IDK.  Check launchpad?
[23:09] <tj83> ah, see.... lost it again
[23:09] <tj83> searching....... i am going to go back to nm-applet and see if remedies
[23:10] <tj83> is alt+f2 no longer available to run commands?
[23:10] <tj83> and i know back in jaunty they dropped ctrl+alt+backspace for restarting x..... thats a shame .... wish they would bring that back into Karmic
[23:12] <guntbert> !dontzap | tj83
[23:12] <BUGabundo> taneli: Works For Me
[23:12] <tj83> hey, thanks guntbert
[23:12] <BUGabundo> tj83: you are the second person saying he can't run alt+f2
[23:13] <BUGabundo> guntbert: that's no longer valid in karmic
[23:13] <tj83> BUGabundo, well strangely i am almost sure alt+f2 functioned after install... but seems to have vanished indeed
[23:14] <guntbert> BUGabundo: did they reenable ctrl+alt+backspace by default?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> no
[23:14] <BUGabundo> now its done on udev
[23:14] <tj83> guntbert, are we sure dontzap is in the repo?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> trying to locate the wiki page
[23:14] <BUGabundo> tj83: its not
[23:14] <BUGabundo> I just said it!!!!
[23:15] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap
[23:15] <BUGabundo> Using GNOME * Get to the  System->Preferences->Keyboard menu. * Select the "Layouts" tab and click on the "Layout  Options" button. * Then select  "Key sequence to kill the X server" and enable "Control + Alt +  Backspace".
[23:15] <BUGabundo> $ setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
[23:16] <tj83> lets try it :)
[23:16] <tj83> ty BUGabundo
[23:16] <guntbert> BUGabundo: thx for the heads up
[23:16] <penguin42> looks like that worked then :-)
[23:18] <tj83> works perfect indeed
[23:18] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[23:18] <BUGabundo> you just killed your session just to prove me right?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> OH THANKS SO MUCH
[23:18] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:18] <guntbert> BUGabundo, tj83: alt+f2 works here (in a VM)
[23:18] <BUGabundo> here too
[23:19] <taneli> alt+f2 does not work here
[23:19] <bucky> works here
[23:20] <penguin42> alt+f2 gives me a dialog that says 'Could not display run dialog.  Unable to load file '/usr/share/gnome-panel/glade/panel-run-dialog.glade'
[23:21]  * penguin42 did do an update earlier but haven't rebooted since, so it could be related to that
[23:21] <bucky> you could try gnome-do which is an expanded version of alt-F2
[23:21] <bucky> http://linux.digitalsp.com/2009/07/kde4-alt-f2-equivalent-for-gnome.html
[23:21] <edoceo> alt+f2 works on xubuntu-karmic (three installs)
[23:21] <penguin42> do is good
[23:22]  * penguin42 disappears again
[23:22] <BUGabundo> DO is EVAN
[23:22] <NamShub> Hi. I was wondering if it's possible to run Virtual Box in Karmic yet? I try to /etc/initd.vobxdrv start and I get an error. dmesg says: [65115.023566] warning: `VirtualBox' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)
[23:23] <BUGabundo> NamShub: get the proper version, aka 64 bits
[23:24] <NamShub> err im pretty sure im running in 32 bits
[23:25] <NamShub> although you left me wondering lol
[23:25] <bucky> i dont even have /usr/share/gnome-panel/glade/panel-run-dialog.glade  but my system is pretty updated
[23:25] <vigo> I have to put the alpha5 onto a CD/USB and load it or can I just upgrade to it?
[23:26] <BluesKaj> how does one successfully mount a  windows share with cifs/smbfs at boot up using fstab edits ?
[23:26] <bucky> vigo, from jaunty?
[23:27] <vigo> bucky: Karmic
[23:27] <NamShub> but yea, this system is 32 bits so I dont see how I could install the 64 version
[23:27] <NamShub> vigo: sudo update-manager -d
[23:27] <vigo> Thank you.
[23:28] <bucky> vigo just update and upgrade from synaptic or the cli
[23:29] <BUGabundo> NamShub: ahahaahahahahahah
[23:29] <BUGabundo> vigo: ??
[23:29] <vigo> And Thank you
 Automatic font installation on gnome-terminal is a lot more entertaining when you spout a binary to it
[23:29] <BUGabundo> vigo: come again?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> vigo: weren't you running karmic already???
[23:30] <BUGabundo> you can upgrade via UM
[23:30] <BUGabundo> or clean install from CD/USB
[23:30] <penguin42> Grrr - no, I don't want to install the Tagalog font
[23:31] <vigo> BUGabundo: Yes, I was just testing the CVS or whatnot to better understand if and how they function or integrate.
[23:31] <BUGabundo> vigo: if you have Karmic you can't upgrade *to* karmic
[23:31] <BUGabundo> you just _update_
[23:32] <BUGabundo> bucky: synaptic is a lousy place to do updates on a devel release !
[23:32] <tj83> anyreason why mplayer and exaile wont play but vlc and flash will play sound?
[23:32] <penguin42> Does anyone know where the automatic font installer comes from?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> tj83: long story
[23:33] <tj83> BUGabundo, lol, hmm i got time is there a work around?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> I'm telling you don't want to
[23:33] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:33] <BUGabundo> but try to see if they are set to use PA
[23:33] <BUGabundo> and that noting is hogging the /etc/snd
[23:33] <vigo> BUGabundo: I did fresh install, yes, just keeping up with the changes as they come down the pipe.
[23:34] <BUGabundo> you can try killing PA
[23:34] <BUGabundo> $ killall -9 pulseaudio
[23:34] <BUGabundo> and monitor it from pavucontrol
[23:34] <tj83> BUGabundo,  killing pulse audio wont disable my sound completely?
[23:34] <BUGabundo> vigo: then update with update manager or aptitude (Cli)
[23:34] <BUGabundo> tj83: no
[23:34] <BUGabundo> it autospawn, aka restarts it self
[23:34] <BUGabundo> every single time
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I bet you can't kill it, fast enough :)
[23:35] <tj83> BUGabundo, ah makes some sense being is my syslog flooded with PA restarts and crashes
[23:35] <vigo> BUGabundo: Terminal. CLI
[23:36] <vigo> But I will test Synaptic now.
[23:36] <BUGabundo> vigo: sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade a few times a day
[23:36] <BUGabundo> and eventualy a few
[23:36] <BUGabundo> sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:36] <vigo> Okee dokee
[23:36] <BUGabundo> when stuff gets borked
[23:36] <BUGabundo> please avoid REMOVING lots of files
[23:37] <BUGabundo> only run full-upgrade when sure its for replacing a depency
[23:37] <BUGabundo> and if running UM, please DON'T do partial upgrade
[23:37] <vigo> I just let it run , no purge or rm going on.
[23:39] <tj83> BUGabundo, is it possible to do away with pulse audio and use something else? what would i use? old skool alsa?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> please don't
[23:39] <BUGabundo> PA is in good shape now
[23:39] <tj83> lol
[23:40] <BUGabundo> and its easy to support
[23:40] <BUGabundo> alsa is ...
[23:40] <BUGabundo> lack of better words
[23:40] <BUGabundo> .... a mess
[23:40] <tj83> BUGabundo, well, i have major malfunctions with PA right now
[23:41] <BUGabundo> file bugs and nag dtchen about it
[23:41] <tj83> BUGabundo, i get that clicking/popping sound..... google shows known bug but no fixes, and no matter what i have tried so far as you suggest checking the application to see if its set to use PA no sound from mplayer or exaile
[23:41] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu-audio-help
[23:41] <BUGabundo> been using audio team PPA
[23:41] <vigo> Thank you kindly, that worked perfectly.
[23:41] <BUGabundo> and other then sound *always* started muted
[23:41] <BUGabundo> everything works fine
[23:41] <BUGabundo> well not everytng
[23:41] <BUGabundo> Flash stops sound _if_ I pause playback
[23:42] <BUGabundo> tj83: prob is *every* card has its own probs
[23:42] <BUGabundo> its not generic
[23:42] <tj83> flash is all gravy for me.
[23:42] <tj83> yea i understand the hardware part
[23:43] <tj83> and that audio help chan.... one other nick :P
[23:44] <tj83> 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) is my hardware
[23:45] <BUGabundo> you can wait for dtchen to popup
[23:45] <BUGabundo> he is traveling
[23:51] <bjsnider> he took a trip on a gemini spaceship?