[00:02] hey i just installed karmic and the update manager says i have 650 updates but are they updates for karmic or jaunty [00:04] is that a dumb question? [00:04] brian__: $ lsb_release -a [00:05] brian__: and *how* did you install karmic? [00:05] thew a usb [00:05] alpha 5 [00:06] what was that command for [00:06] brian__, that shows the version [00:06] I just did a fresh install of karmic on my system, got past the fsck failure fine, but now I can't get past gdm, it lets me sign in and then kicks me back out and freezes the system [00:06] command not found [00:06] $ lsb_release -a [00:07] lsb_release -a [00:07] brian__: '$' means it to run on a terminal [00:07] Release: 9.10 [00:07] Codename: karmic [00:08] ok [00:08] its very strange that you have ALL those updates [00:08] brian__: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list [00:08] !paste > brian__ [00:08] i clicked on the back ports [00:08] brian__, please see my private message [00:09] there are NO backport at this moment for karmic [00:09] everything is on main or universe [00:09] sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: command not found [00:09] brian@netbook:~$ [00:09] This is really weird. Twice now I've seen fsck complain at bootup that my superblock last write time is in the future, but ~ 1 hour [00:09] sorry i figured that was small enough [00:10] maxb that's a known bug listed on the karmic testing page [00:11] .... there's a karmic testing page....? [00:11] maxb http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ and click on the latest alpha [00:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/265203/ [00:12] there ya go [00:13] slayerboyLAP: thanks..... though this isn't first boot after install [00:14] why are you sudoing it ??? [00:14] brian__: everything looks ok [00:14] never mind that from befor [00:15] brian__: close UM and run: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrdade [00:15] i run it and it says it can only do a partial update then it shows 535 updated [00:15] does it list 650 updates? [00:15] brian__: close UM and run: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrdade [00:15] ok [00:16] are the fgrlx drivers broken in karmic? [00:16] ok now what [00:17] install ? [00:17] Unknown command "safe-upgrdade" [00:17] safe-upgrade [00:19] now its working lol [00:19] go figure ha [00:20] * arand grinds teetch about the removal of gnome icons. [00:22] * BUGabundo follows arand [00:30] anyone having problems with getting past gdm? [00:33] some ppl are [00:40] i tried installing ubuntu 9.10 alpha 5, it gets to the end of the installation, right when it says its configuring grub, then ubiquity crashes, i tried seeing if it installed properly, but no bootloader gets installed [00:41] anyone able to help? [00:41] hi charlie458 [00:41] hello BUGabundo [00:41] care to try a daily? [00:42] !daily | charlie458 [00:42] charlie458: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [00:42] or try to repair the grub2 from livecd [00:42] charlie458: I think you can run through the install, don't format any of the disks and get to the grub install section to reinstall it. Can anyone confirm this? [00:43] ummm, its sorta complicated BUGabundo since i'm installing alpha 5 from a usb drive, and to put another image on it, i need to be able to use unetbootin on the same usb drive i'm using in live cd now :s [00:44] that thing is still unpacking and installing updates [00:46] BUGabundo: in the grub system log it says: chroot: cannot run command `grub': No such file or directory [00:46] eheh [00:46] did you check the MD5 of the usb charlie458? [00:47] BUGabundo: nope [00:47] humm [00:47] I wonder if you got a bad download or bad image on USB [00:47] mind rebooting and checking ? [00:48] or you can do it from liveusb too, I think [00:48] you can always chroot to the installed system [00:48] BUGabundo: i rebooted and tried the install again, same result, here is another error i found: Sep 4 23:43:26 ubuntu python: InstallStepError: GrubInstaller failed with code 127 [00:48] update it, and install grub from there [00:48] BUGabundo: how do i do that? === funkyHat is now known as splatHat [00:50] there are a few wiki pages for it [00:50] just google around [00:51] BUGabundo: i think i'll just install ubuntu 9.04 or windows 7, if the installer won't work, god knows what else won't work too [00:52] charlie458: it's an ALPHA [00:52] you should be ready for problem [00:52] if you want a *stable* system stick with jaunty or a LTS [00:52] also check the MD5 or try anyother daily image [00:53] BUGabundo: i wanted to be able to play around with it at least, i've tried many alphas before, always been able to at least install [00:53] if you really want to help. please test another image, and pinpoint the problem, and report it on Launchpad [00:53] charlie458: it has happened *many* times before to have _broken_ installers [00:54] anything can break [00:54] from a simple gksu (it has happened this cycle) to libc6 [00:54] or kernel that corrupt HW (remember the intel e1000e netcards) [00:55] i was thinking of trying debian anyways, a rolling release is kinda nice [00:57] debian *is* release based [00:57] well you can call sid rolling [00:57] but its not the same thing [00:59] BUGabundo: even if i wanted to test a daily image, the only way i have to install it is off a usb drive i'm currently using in livecd [00:59] true [00:59] get another :D [01:00] there is an issue with the latest alpha of netbook remix and unetbootin [01:02] BUGabundo: can i install grub manually? [01:02] I think so [01:02] assuming you can get packages that actually work [01:02] how? [01:03] http://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FRecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows&ei=u6qhSr2eDsSQ-Abj0ODgDw&usg=AFQjCNHW_iMjuSRvjNQIsiNTcFcjic1m5Q&sig2=E6bJlwMRyJ7jmec7PFuLag [01:03] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [01:03] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210820 [01:09] howdy all [01:09] hey bbq man [01:11] I just installed xbmc and it has made me feel very very stupid. I have no idea how to add my movies, music and TV to it when they are outside ~... :( [01:13] os-prober doesn't seem to be detecting windows xp properly. Has anyone else had this problem? [01:14] keith: charlie458 was having trouble installing grub [01:14] and yesterday some one reported probs with prob too [01:14] *os-prober [01:15] scim is broken in my koala [01:15] does your scim work? [01:16] does update-grub re-generate the grub configuration? [01:17] keith, yes [01:17] i think there is a bug in A5 in which os-prober doesn't do anything [01:17] keith: "man update-grub" ;) [01:17] so after a clean install of A5, you need to run update-grub to get your dual/triple boot options [01:19] Thats a pretty bad installer bug to have, even if it's an alpha release. [01:20] i haven't done a clean install [01:20] i can't confirm [01:20] but i had a couple of people with that problem yesterday [01:20] yeah, already got it fixed. os-prober random started detecting windows so i ran update-grub [01:21] !grub2 [01:21] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [01:22] anyone know how to fix evolution so the memo and task pane doesn't keep getting in my way in calendar view? Don't think this is a karmic [01:22] issue [01:22] but not sure [01:31] hey [01:31] what is the issue on pulse-audio [01:31] can someone tell me [01:31] ok I finally finished dpkg-reconfigure -a [01:31] hehehe [01:31] I thought it would be worth it since I upgraded [01:31] what is [01:31] apport [01:31] a bug report tool [01:32] hmm [01:32] what is the issue on pulse-audio [01:32] this tooll produce a bug [01:33] ubuntu karmic has a problem in sound [01:33] Polt{laptop}: took you a while [01:33] yeah I took my time [01:33] :) [01:33] I went through every option [01:33] read every question [01:33] ehehh [01:33] I gave up [01:33] lucas__: only one? [01:33] lucky you [01:34] BUGabundo, [01:34] no [01:34] lots of bugs [01:34] but the most stupid bug [01:34] is in pulse-audio [01:35] because i am listening music [01:35] really yeah this is getting on my nerves [01:35] I reconfigured my entire system [01:35] howw [01:35] back to jaunty [01:35] ? [01:35] no [01:35] I mean I reconfigured my system to be the way I want it after install [01:36] I did "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a" in the terminal but that isn't for the feint of heart [01:36] I do not advise it unless you have hours to set your system up and know what you are doing [01:36] what does it do to my system ? [01:36] actrually my system looks like good [01:37] but i am not glad [01:37] well it allows you to examine every package that has been installed ... ie> the entire system and every component and set them up [01:37] everything [01:37] and I mean everything [01:37] fonts in tty [01:38] etc [01:39] I get back home to an rsyslogd process on my karmic machine that is taking up 100% of CPU [01:39] anything anyone here might want from the process? [01:40] Oooooooooooooooh, now grub2 has a savedefault! sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! [01:41] wow [01:41] look at grub2 changelog. [01:43] anyway [01:43] i must go to bad now [01:44] 4 a.m [01:44] by the way i am from Turkey :D [01:44] s/bad/bed/ [01:44] oh sorry [01:44] i am very sleepy [01:45] bed :D [01:45] heh, handy thing: pidgin's slashexec plugin. lets me do this: [01:45] Fri Sep 4 17:45:26 PDT 2009 [01:45] and that is ? [01:45] I really don't understand this problem with pulseaudio [01:45] whaere is it [01:45] I mean I REALLY don't understand it [01:45] USA [01:46] Polt{laptop}, [01:46] as if alsa restarts itself again again again [01:46] yes lucas__ exactly [01:46] I can play music in root [01:47] not in any other account [01:47] I had it working earlier actually but ... [01:47] now it does not [01:47] it wants to just keep restarting [01:47] Polt{laptop}, I'm not sure I follow your question but have you tried dumping your PA and Gnome Sound settings? I had to do that a day or so ago and it's working fine. [01:48] how do I dump the gnome sound settings [01:48] I know about dumping pulse's settings [01:48] hmmü [01:48] what is "dumping" [01:48] removing [01:48] hmm [01:48] i am insane [01:48] like make a backup etc [01:49] because i am listening dream theater [01:49] but move them [01:49] i love [01:49] and sound stops [01:49] Polt{laptop}, When I was fixing them I also removed ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/sound/ and it seemes to work fine. [01:49] lucas__ nothing wrong with Dream Theater ... good band [01:49] Polt{laptop}, you listen black clouıds and silver linings [01:50] i removed [01:50] i will remove i wonder [01:52] weird, the saved_entry versus prev_saved_entry logic seems backwards to me. [01:53] ok BiosElement I am trying your suggestion [01:53] something similar worked for me earlier but then I started having problems with sound [01:53] nothing changed [01:53] Polt{laptop}, Aight. Hope it works, May be just a useless config but either that folder or /.pulse got things working again for me. [01:54] isn't fixing mine [01:54] I could try logging out and logging back in but ... [01:54] this is really getting annoying [01:55] Polt{laptop}, True it is. But that's why it's alpha. >.> [01:56] i wrote something to msn [01:56] when i click enter [01:56] sonds bother me [01:56] that is shit [01:57] lucas__: Please mind your language here [01:58] They say xsplash is there to replace usplash... So why is usplash still there when booting Koala? :S [01:58] That "fancy" animation is only showed before gdm starts, and before desktop... [01:58] :S [01:59] isn't it supposed to be all the way when booting? [01:59] from grub to gdm? :S [01:59] hey im running the karmic gnome version and its pretty stable but i dont notice much of a differance between this and jaunty [01:59] should i just go back to jaunty or is the alpha 5 stable enough [02:00] brian__, if you use karmic right now, you have alpha 5 [02:00] brian__, If it's mission critical, jaunty. [02:00] there is no need to install again when new alpha comes out [02:01] so if i keep karmic ill still be able to do mostly everything from befor [02:01] brian__, there have been little to no changes in appearance yet [02:01] ya [02:01] brian__, all karmic changes are pretty much under the hood [02:01] take a look at the release notes [02:01] TONS of changes :) [02:02] can someone answer my question now? :D [02:02] ya i did im just stuck here with a fresh isntall and am wo ndering if i should go back now or stick it out [02:02] stick it out [02:02] lol [02:02] f.ck alsa [02:02] live on the edge [02:02] f.ck pulse audio [02:02] why canonical promote that xsplash to be a new boot up screen to replace usplash, when karmic still use old Jaunty usplash? [02:03] Milos_SD, Probably because they're not finished yet? [02:03] agreed pulse sucks [02:03] ya thats one thing the volume on my panel crashes alot [02:04] xslpash has only been implemented for a few weeks [02:04] BiosElement, Karmic HAS that xsplash animation, but in all the wrong time :) [02:04] Milos_SD, I know, notice the animation's bugged? Thus, they're still working on it. >.> [02:04] and on a wrong places... [02:04] hehe give it time, geez people are so impatient :) [02:05] so, it doesn't do what it is supposed to do? :) [02:05] yet.. [02:06] !language lucas__ [02:06] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:06] !language | lucas__ [02:06] lucas__: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [02:06] I realy hope they will change that... if it stays like it is in alpha 5, then... well, they can remove xsplash... I see it just as any other splash screen between gdm and gnome :D [02:06] sorry [02:06] so sorry [02:07] * arand wishes they'd have torrents for dailies as well [02:07] brian__: i think pulse crashes and takes the volume with it but it restarts every 1/2 second anyway [02:07] and community wanted Canonical to remove GDM->Gnome splash screen :D [02:07] [02:07] + * Users in some timezones will find that their filesystems must be checked (fsck) immediately after install due to a bug in the installer's clock handling. Investigation of this issue is ongoing, and we expect it will be resolved in Alpha 6. (Bug:423247) [02:08] * DanaG uses PulseAudio.... it rocks when it works properly, but yeah, it can be a pain to debug. [02:09] but there doesnt seem to be any really big problem or anythin runs pretty good so far [02:10] DanaG: I spent a week wrestling it into submission only thing that worked was ripping pulse out and two tv cards [02:10] wow [02:10] what ever happened to 20s boots? [02:10] grub to usable desktop in like 1m25s [02:10] billybigrigger: 10s, and that's karmic+1 [02:11] hehe [02:11] billybigrigger: It's about 40 secs for me billybigrigger . [02:11] jaunty+1 was supposed to have the boot process sped up [02:11] billybigrigger: post bootcharts for us to see [02:11] i love how things change so much from A1 to final [02:12] its about 45 minutes as it fscks itself after a crash... [02:12] billybigrigger: and I have a feeling that it might be similar to the new theme feature (current +1) [02:13] I managed to get audio working [02:14] arand, say what? [02:14] however totem isn't working right yet [02:14] BUGabundo, haha it's a pretty ugly bootchart [02:15] http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=162 [02:15] grrr stupid google bug [02:16] ? [02:16] anyone know if pyclutter 1 will make karmic. I cannot find any info on this topic... just an idle bug report [02:16] billybigrigger: the ETA for it will always be "lsb_devrelease+1" ;) [02:16] ok this is what I notice [02:16] arand, oh for a new theme hahah yeah i know what you mean [02:16] did anyone notice any new artwork for the FirstArtworkDrop [02:16] ?? [02:16] the default sound theme for Karmic Koala sounds weird compared to the other sound themes [02:16] that never seemed to happen? hehe [02:16] billybigrigger: found the stupidest google bug ever: if you set your email client with Case Sensitive email address, gmail will change the outgoing email [02:16] also I notice that totem does not want to play audio [02:17] it gives a pa audio error [02:17] other audio players play audio [02:17] Polt{laptop}, $ killall pulseaudio [02:17] while in the dev cycle you might want to keybind that command :) [02:18] ah [02:18] there are case sensitive email addresses? [02:18] email addresses are case insensitive, that's the standard [02:18] or so i've always understood [02:19] ok and here is the other thing [02:19] if you mess with the volume of the mic [02:19] it will crash the sound applet [02:19] and then you have to delete your pulse audio settings [02:19] Polt{laptop}, fire up a bug report [02:21] which package would be responsible ? [02:22] Wherever did sound theme config hide now? [02:23] rhythmbox works [02:23] :) [02:23] arand in system > sound I believe [02:23] or preferences > sound [02:23] audio quality is good [02:23] it is just that totem isn't working for me [02:23] although rebooting may fix that [02:24] wastrel: not to google apparently http://getsatisfaction.com/google/topics/gmail_is_replacing_outgoing_email_address_when_using_casesensitive_froms [02:24] luckily everything else works for me [02:24] totem is the only problem right now [02:25] ok so test run of rhythmbox is complete [02:25] so apparently the local part of an email address is potentially case sensitive [02:25] next I need to test my nvidia chipset with grub2 again [02:25] i always thought it was case-insensitive per rfc. [02:25] Polt{laptop}: hm, the only thing that can be configured there is the alert sound. [02:25] however it's discouraged [02:25] per wiki anyway [02:25] if it does not boot then I need to remove grub2 and resort to the earlier grub somehow [02:26] arand actually ... [02:26] "The local-part is case sensitive, so "jsmith@example.com" and "JSmith@example.com" may be delivered to different people. This practice is discouraged by RFC 5321." [02:26] no I fixed my sound config [02:26] it works for me now [02:26] totem is the only thing I can't get working right now [02:26] wastrel: feel free to state that on my bug :D [02:26] totem and I can't use grub2 on my machine [02:26] I need the original grub back [02:27] my audio keeps crashing [02:28] in gnome-volume controll [02:28] Polt{laptop}: actually... what? [02:28] libpulse-mainloop-glib0, libpulse [02:30] arand I fixed my sound preferences [02:30] that is what I said up there [02:30] this is what you need to do arand [02:30] logout of Gnome or KDE [02:30] go into TTY mode [02:30] me? [02:30] you need to delete everything in ~/.pulse [02:30] arand [02:31] there will be another folder in ~/.pulse called pulse.new [02:31] delete that also [02:31] it requires you to be root to delete it [02:31] so do that [02:31] and then go into ~/.gconf [02:32] actually you want to look for ~/.gconf/desktop/sounds I believe [02:32] and delete that [02:32] Polt{laptop}: oh, I wasn't talking about that, I was looking for where the sound theme configs was... but I guess I'll copy this to a useful doc somewhere ;) [02:32] bah [02:32] mouse just died [02:33] man i hate batteries [02:34] the folder I meant to say a moment ago was ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/sound/ [02:34] that folder and ~./pulse/pulse.new [02:35] and delete everything in ~/.pulse also [02:35] ~/.pulse/pulse.new is what I meant to type above also [02:35] delete your sound settings from there and log back into Gnome or KDE [02:35] well really Gnome [02:35] since this doesn't apply to KDE [02:35] because of the Gnome settings [02:36] but you see what I mean anyway [02:37] ok now I have a new issue [02:37] I need to resort back to the old Grub [02:37] I have an old Jaunty CD [02:37] easy method uninstall pulse and lurk in here till its workin ;) [02:38] blackest_knight I fixed my pulse [02:38] I just can't get totem playing yet [02:38] what worked for me will probably work for you because you had similar problems [02:38] same errors [02:38] the dont adjust your mike volume [02:38] yeah [02:38] hey folks how do you change gdm theme in karmic [02:38] that is what I learned [02:38] if you adjust the mic volume it will break [02:39] it works alright anyway though [02:39] Polt{laptop}, totem doesn't work here either but exaile does. VLC sorta/kinda works. [02:39] even if you don't adjust it the mic volume is set alright [02:39] vlc worked for me, exailes, xmms, rhythmbox [02:39] and Gnome sounds work for me [02:39] sound themes [02:39] * BUGabundo mv /home/bugabundo /media/bed [02:39] if you want to record with karmic its not going to be good then if you can't adjust settings [02:40] does anyone know if there is a tool to change the gdm theme in Karmic [02:40] true blackest_knight [02:40]