[00:12] <vigo> On other releases there was a Force Quit button in the Main Menu , should I just make one and see if it works?
[00:26] <tj83> anyone been able to restore evolution backup?
[01:05] <DKcross> BUGabundo,  hello
[01:05] <DKcross> any more have this problem with apport?
[01:05] <DKcross> or is only with me?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> nops
[01:05] <BUGabundo> I got it, and its working for me
[01:05] <BUGabundo> I think , so far, its only you
[01:06] <BUGabundo> DKcross: try a $ sudo dpkg --configure .a
[01:06] <penguin42> what problem?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> DKcross: try a $ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:06] <DKcross> http://paste.ubuntu.com/265760/
[01:10] <DKcross> BUGabundo,  now?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> why not
[01:10] <DKcross> Se encontraron errores al procesar:
[01:10] <DKcross>  apport
[01:10] <DKcross>  apport-gtk
[01:11] <DKcross> and if i purge package?
[01:24] <ripps> I am so angry at microsoft right now!  http://is.gd/2VA7x
[01:26] <bjsnider> ubuntu may have hundreds of updates a month
[01:26] <bjsnider> in whose dreams?
[01:27] <bjsnider> can't really argue with the other point, since it's completely meaningless.
[01:31] <ripps> bjsnider: well there are hundreds of updates a month in alpha karmic, but nobody except linux-gurus should be using it anyway
[01:32] <bjsnider> right, obviously
[01:33] <ripps> There are probably an average of 20 updates a month for Jaunty, and they are clearely labeled Recommend, Important Security, and Optional... I'm not sure how much clear you can get
[01:38] <DKcross> :S
[01:38] <DKcross> i cant install apport
[01:39] <DKcross> any more have this problem?
[01:40] <DKcross> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/apport_1.8.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb: el subproceso script pre-removal nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 1
[01:52] <DKcross> i cant remove apport for reinstall
[02:00] <billybigrigger> apport should already BE installed
[02:01] <DKcross> yes i know billybigrigger
[02:02] <DKcross> http://paste.ubuntu.com/265760/
[02:05] <billybigrigger> english? :P
[02:07] <mpontillo> DKcross: can you pastebin the output of "sudo sh -x /etc/init.d/apport stop"?
[02:09] <DKcross> billybigrigger,  sorry
[02:09] <DKcross> mpontillo,  wait please
[02:10] <DKcross> !paste
[02:11] <DKcross> http://paste.ubuntu.com/265845/
[02:11] <DKcross> mpontillo,  the message http://paste.ubuntu.com/265845/
[02:11] <mpontillo> thanks; looking and comparing to mine
[02:12] <DKcross> ok thanks
[02:19] <mpontillo> so I think I see the problem... "runlevel" is likely not in the path (the path does not include "/sbin")... just not sure what script is calling "runlevel"... it's a bit confusing from the "sh -x" output which script is calling it
[02:20] <mpontillo> DKcross: if you run "echo $PATH | tr ':' '\n' | grep sbin", does "/sbin" show up?
[02:20] <DKcross> wait
[02:21] <DKcross> oh man thanks
[02:21] <DKcross> apport is ready
[02:22] <mpontillo> got it fixed then? no problem
[02:22] <DKcross> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/splashy/+bug/333823/comments/1
[02:22] <DKcross> recap
[02:22] <DKcross> Recap:
[02:22] <DKcross> sudo update-rc.d -f apport remove
[02:25] <mpontillo> ah gotcha, so upstart is not installed on your system so you don't have /sbin/runlevel.
[02:27] <DKcross> :o
[02:28] <DKcross> i dont know:S
[02:28] <DKcross> really its problem for me, the diference between runlevel y upstart
[02:29] <mpontillo> I'm confused. there are a couple of parts to this... (1) 'runlevel' is part of 'upstart' on my system, so /sbin/runlevel is provided by 'upstart', (2) /sbin is in my PATH, and it looks like init scripts assume /sbin is in the path (or otherwise try to sanitize it first?)
[02:30] <mpontillo> so there are two possibilities: (1) you don't have 'upstart' - and I'm not sure if this is even possible, or (2) your $PATH is incorrect and /sbin/runlevel can't be found (and I'm not sure who is responsible for setting up the $PATH in init scripts)
[02:31] <DKcross> ah ok
[02:31] <mpontillo> if you type "runlevel" at the prompt, does it print out the current runlevel? how about if you type "/sbin/runlevel"?
[02:33] <DKcross> N2
[02:33] <DKcross> yes /sbin/runlevel = n2
[02:34] <mpontillo> interesting. if you type it without the /sbin/ in front, does it work?
[02:34] <mpontillo> my Karmic system does not have "splashy" installed, so now I'm wondering how that changes things...
[02:35] <DKcross> yes work
[02:36] <DKcross> i have splashy
[02:36] <DKcross> i install splashy but
[02:36] <DKcross> i have problems:s
[02:36] <DKcross> connection refused
[02:37] <DKcross> now i know! the problem is because i removed xsplash and usplash
[02:37] <DKcross> and install splashy
[02:38] <DKcross> sorry man, my english isn't very well:\
[03:05] <mpontillo> DKcross: no problem. I tried to fix the problem... do you want to test a version of 'splashy' from a PPA? I think I uploaded it, waiting for it to show up
[03:06] <DKcross> :o
[03:06] <DKcross> splashy doesn't work
[03:07] <mpontillo> DKcross: what do you mean? honestly I am not even running it, I just fixed the bug as described in the launchpad bug you described, and the linked forum posts
[03:09] <DKcross> ohh:o
[03:10] <DKcross> in ubutuforums?
[03:11] <mpontillo> yes. https://launchpad.net/~mpontillo/+archive/splashy should have the fix - that is, if you install this version of splashy, you should be able to remove "apport" (or whatever other package) without an issue
[03:12] <DKcross> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1258329
[03:13] <mpontillo> ahh didn't notice this bug; someone beat me to it ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/splashy/+bug/369670
[03:14] <DKcross> mpontillo, then your splashy work in your karmic?
[03:14] <mpontillo> that guy posted an identical patch, but it looks like none of the "universe" sponsors have approved it...
[03:17] <DKcross> mpontillo, but now i can remove and upgrade my apport
[03:17] <DKcross> i fix the problem with the other link
[03:18] <mpontillo> DKcross: okay. well I don't have splasy installed. but I made a comment on the bug I linked asking if the fix can go in Karmic
[03:18] <mpontillo> got to go feed the toddler now - afk
[03:18] <DKcross> sudo update-rc.d -f apport remove
[03:18] <DKcross> test the splashy:D
[03:19] <DKcross> then i will add your repos to my source.list
[03:19] <DKcross> and i will make update..
[03:19] <DKcross> then i will remove splashy
[03:19] <DKcross> and install your version?
[03:21] <DKcross> mpontillo,  yes?
[03:48] <DKcross> mpontillo,  i am trying with your package
[03:58] <linkinx64> guys question.....i am trying to connect to a belking router and when i am conecting the router shows an amber light ...... other laptops can do it with no problems
[04:10] <arvind_khadri> hi, can i switch back to grub legacy?
[04:17] <linkinx64> guys question.....i am trying to connect to a belking router and when i am conecting the router shows an amber light ...... other laptops can do it with no problems
[04:17] <linkinx64> ...???
[04:51] <DWonderly> Is the ubuntu one server down?
[04:52] <mpontillo> DKcross: yes, then we can verify that the new 'splashy' package does not cause errors with stopping 'apport', etc
[04:55] <DKcross> mpontillo,  are you there?
[04:55] <billybigrigger> i'm installing splashy now
[04:56] <mpontillo> DKcross: hi, just tried to write you but didn't realize that you had left (my client hides joins/parts)
[04:56] <billybigrigger> 2 of you are having problems with apport crashes?
[04:56] <mpontillo> DKcross: I wrote, "yes, then we can verify that the new 'splashy' package does not cause errors with stopping 'apport', etc"
[04:56] <DKcross> yes, but have the same problem
[04:57] <DKcross> conection refused
[04:57] <DKcross> you know about this?
[04:57] <billybigrigger> know about what?
[04:58] <billybigrigger>  /var/cache/apt/archives/splashy_0.3.13-5ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[04:58] <billybigrigger> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:58] <billybigrigger> sweet
[04:58] <billybigrigger> :) hehe
[05:01] <DKcross> billybigrigger,  no
[05:01] <DKcross> "splashy error: conection refused
[05:01] <billybigrigger> well i can't even get it installed
[05:01] <DKcross> billybigrigger,  mpontillo  have package that dont have this problem
[05:01] <mpontillo> DKcross: not sure about the "connection refused" problem. I only tried to fix the "can't stop apport" problem.
[05:02] <DKcross> https://launchpad.net/~mpontillo/+archive/splashy
[05:04] <DKcross> billybigrigger,  install this package  https://launchpad.net/~mpontillo/+archive/splashy
[05:04] <billybigrigger> nope
[05:05] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1555719
[05:06] <mpontillo> damn, this splashy seems like a dangerous package ;) I wouldn't recommend installing it, if it wants to overwrite things in lsb-base ;)
[05:08] <mpontillo> DKcross: so, how did you get 'splashy' installed in the first place, anyway?
[05:08] <billybigrigger> yeah, i don't think i'm going to tinker with it too much more :P
[05:08] <billybigrigger> it will be forced down our throats soon enough
[05:09] <DKcross> --force
[05:09] <billybigrigger> hehe
[05:11] <DKcross> dk@freehost:~$ sudo dpkg --force-overwrite --install splashy_0.3.13-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:11] <billybigrigger> why is splashy so important to you?
[05:11] <billybigrigger> haha
[05:11] <billybigrigger> this package is fubar'd
[05:12] <DKcross> billybigrigger,  isn't  important
[05:12] <DKcross> buy i'm trying, u know, only for test...
[05:14] <mpontillo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-splashy so is this still going to happen for Karmic? I thought there was a UI freeze - dumb question: is "splashy" an exception?
[05:16] <DKcross> what is UI freeze?
[05:16] <mpontillo> the guy who owns the spec doesn't have a ppa. was hoping maybe he had a beta version, or something
[05:17] <DKcross> ohh
[05:17] <DKcross> you are trying say, that the project is stoped?
[05:18] <DKcross> "stopped
[05:19] <mpontillo> I'm not sure. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-August/000609.html this message indicates that only "bugs and polishing" are going to be done for Karmic. it seems like adding "splashy" would be considered larger than a bug fix and/or polishing
[05:22] <mpontillo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-August/000606.html this message indicates that specs should be either "postponed" or "beta available" for Karmic. but the "splashy" spec is neither
[05:22] <mpontillo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs?searchtext=splashy
[05:23] <mpontillo> so yeah I would make an educated guess that testing "splashy" is not going to be too useful to Karmic... but
[05:23] <mpontillo> *not sure if anyone knows otherwise.
[05:28] <Polt{laptop}> hey I would purging totem maybe fix it in the new upgrade ?
[05:28] <Polt{laptop}> like maybe if I purge it and reinstall it ?
[05:33] <DKcross> mpontillo, thanks for all man!
[05:42] <mpontillo> DKcross: np
[05:42] <mpontillo> Polt{laptop}: you can try that, but it's not clear what you are trying to achieve?
[05:57] <Polt{laptop}> has anyone found a fix for this error in karmic yet ? " pa_stream_writable_size() failed: Connection terminated"
[05:58] <Polt{laptop}> totem keeps doing that
[05:58] <Polt{laptop}> my other sound works for me
[05:58] <Polt{laptop}> although I dunno about the sound effects
[05:58] <Polt{laptop}> I will have to check that again
[06:01] <mpontillo> Polt{laptop}: there is a thread here where someone is reporting the same problem; the suggestion was to get some additional data and file a bug: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1232342&page=18
[06:03] <mpontillo> Polt{laptop}: you can also try the latest pulseaudio ppa here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[06:06] <DKcross> i think that karmic koala have more bugs that jaunty alpha5 for example
[06:24] <QPrime> Jaunty was pretty smooth, but there were major breakages during development with Jaunty.  Now that Karmic is in feature freeze, things will stabilize and get fixed.
[06:42] <Polt{laptop}> man someone reaaaaaaly needs to fix the audio crackling
[06:42] <Polt{laptop}> it wasn't doing that before
[06:45] <Polt{laptop}> sometimes I think it can be fixed by just killing alsa
[06:45] <Polt{laptop}> I think alsa and pulse are clashing
[06:45] <Polt{laptop}> that is why sometimes it crackles
[06:45] <Polt{laptop}> they are both having to get along together pretty much
[06:46] <Polt{laptop}> and both are wanting to use the same resources probably
[06:46] <Polt{laptop}> and because of that there is this battle between the two programs
[06:46] <Polt{laptop}> something needs to be done to let one or the other take over control of sound
[06:46] <Polt{laptop}> like a failsafe
[06:46] <Polt{laptop}> and alsa should be the failsafe
[06:47] <Polt{laptop}> and then pulse should be configured so that if alsa is using some part of memory that pulse acts more like a buffer zone or something with the rest the computer but also eventually code in compatibility for pulse to be like alsa but even more efficient on ram and to use less resources
[06:47] <Polt{laptop}> I think that would be ideal
[06:48] <mpontillo> Polt{laptop}: you mean like this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Pulseaudio-diagram.svg ;)
[06:49] <mpontillo> for what it's worth, some peoples' workaround is to "sudo aptitude purge pulseaudio" - I'm keeping it installed to try to help with the test effort...
[06:50] <Polt{laptop}> this looks like a latency issue
[06:50] <Polt{laptop}> possibly since pulse is trying to juggle all of those things and probably listening for them
[06:50] <Polt{laptop}> another function should be invokved or something that allows pulse to just drop something and put full focus on something else if need be
[06:53] <mpontillo> Polt{laptop}: if you want to make sure pulseaudio always gets enough CPU time, maybe try something like: sudo renice -20 $(pidof pulseaudio)
[06:54] <mpontillo> (I'm curious if that helps with your latency issues)
[06:55] <Polt{laptop}> do I have to do that all the time ?
[06:55] <Polt{laptop}> like every time I login ?
[06:55] <Polt{laptop}> or should I write a temp script for it ?
[06:55] <Polt{laptop}> like in the init scripts
[06:55] <mpontillo> Polt{laptop}: yes, it only takes effect for the current run of pulseaudio. just something to try for testing, not a permanent solution
[06:56] <mpontillo> the problem is, pulseaudio gets automatically spawned if it dies. so you'd have to hook into that process to "renice" it each time. could get ugly
[06:58] <Polt{laptop}> it set the priority to 20
[06:59] <mpontillo> 20 or -20? (negative values mean the process gets more CPU time.) I got: 7893: old priority 0, new priority -20
[07:01] <Polt{laptop}> nice
[07:02] <Polt{laptop}> will this stay permanent ?
[07:02] <Polt{laptop}> or do I have to set it each time ?
[07:02] <Polt{laptop}> I set it to -20
[07:03] <mpontillo> Polt{laptop}: did it help? again - yes, you would have to set it each time.
[07:03] <Polt{laptop}> it seems now like it helped
[07:03] <Polt{laptop}> I will not know for sure until a few moments
[07:03] <Polt{laptop}> if it doesn't pop and click and garble then it works
[07:04] <Polt{laptop}> it seems like it is working better
[07:05] <Polt{laptop}> couldn't I set the audio priority to -100
[07:05] <Polt{laptop}> or would it go that far ?
[07:05] <Polt{laptop}> that seems like it would be like 0 latency
[07:05] <Polt{laptop}> it would give so much more processor time to the sound chipset that it might even be a good audio tweak for Studio 64 users
[07:06] <Polt{laptop}> kind of to enhance a real time kernel
[07:06] <Polt{laptop}> it seemed to make it more responsive
[07:06] <Polt{laptop}> -20 is as low as you can go
[07:06] <Polt{laptop}> that still isn't bad though
[07:07] <Polt{laptop}> it almost lasted a whole song without messing up
[07:14] <Polt{laptop}> songs just don't last
[07:14] <Polt{laptop}> they play about 3/4 through and then start clicking and popping and garbling
[07:20] <Polt{laptop}> I just remembered I think this soundcard on this computer goes down to a certain millisecond latency
[07:21] <Polt{laptop}> probably like 30 or something
[07:21] <Polt{laptop}> like 30 ms
[07:21] <Polt{laptop}> I think I got it down to 5 ms awhile back
[07:21] <Polt{laptop}> I set the priority on 6 and it seems like it hasn't messed up yet
[07:22] <Polt{laptop}> ok it finished a whole song at 6
[07:22] <Polt{laptop}> I gave it an extra second for stability reasons
[07:22] <Polt{laptop}> well extra priority is what I am referring to
[07:25] <mpontillo> Polt{laptop}: keep in mind that the priorities are relative to all the other processes in your system. for example, if you have pulseaudio and totem competing for CPU usage, if totem runs too often then pulse might get starved and you'd hear the "clicking" (I assume)
[07:26] <mpontillo> so, the other thing you might try is to run totem at a lower priority  (higher "nice" value) , so that pulse gets a chance to run more often
[07:26] <mpontillo> hit alt-f2 and run "gnome-system-monitor" and there should be a nice interface where you can adjust the priority of each process
[07:27] <mpontillo> g
[07:28] <mpontillo> *sorry for the typo, heh, the odd thing is I can't use alt-f2 on my system any more; it gives me an error. anyway, the point is, in gnome-system-monitor you can right click a process and set its priority
[07:28] <Polt{laptop}> I still can't get totem to work
[07:32] <mpontillo> odd - totem works fine for me; in fact I think better than in Jaunty - I never had much luck without an nvidia gfx card though.
[07:32] <mpontillo> also - on the "nice" values, if you look in gnome-system-monitor you'll notice that all the default "nice" values are 0. that means if you run it at, say, 6, it's still getting less CPU than anything other process on the system
[07:36] <Polt{laptop}> yeah
[07:36] <Polt{laptop}> I set it to 15
[07:36] <Polt{laptop}> it seems to respond well still at 15
[07:36] <Polt{laptop}> and so far no crashes at 15
[07:37] <Polt{laptop}> totem is the only thing that just won't run
[07:37] <Polt{laptop}> it will not play anything
[07:37] <mpontillo> but, if it's at 15 and everything else is at 0, that means it's not an issue with CPU time, because all the other processes are higher priority - right?
[07:40] <zer01> hi all
[07:40] <Polt{laptop}> well possibly the sound card just has latency
[07:40] <zer01> i'm having a problem with skype and the audio capture on my dell xps m1530
[07:41] <zer01> its really quiet, almost inaudible
[07:43] <zer01> anyone here at all?
[07:49] <mpontillo> zer01: sadly, no one with the cure-all for everyone's sound problems, it seems. you could try the PPA here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[07:49] <mahfiaz> i configured something wrong and now have Multi_key instead of R_Alt. Any help?
[07:50] <mpontillo> mahfiaz: System > Preferences > Keyboard, "Layouts" tab - did you try the "Reset to Defaults" button?
[07:51] <zer01> mpontillo: thanks heaps!
[07:52] <mahfiaz> mpontillo, thanks
[07:52] <mpontillo> np * 2
[08:42] <alteregoa> zeta reticuli
[08:43] <alex___> I recently updated to Karmic and now VLC does not diable the screensaver while playing videos. Anyone know a fix?
[08:44] <alteregoa> yeah disable the screensaver its worthless
[08:44] <alex___> I have kids, the computer is in the living room and I don't like the3m mashing the keyboard when I am not there.
[08:44] <alex___> So that is not really an option.
[08:45] <alteregoa> lol
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> disable the screensaver?
[08:45] <alteregoa> whatever the fnord said: baru harmaudu
[08:45] <alex___> you know, when you are playing a video the screensavfer will not turn on.
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> yes.. just disable the screensaver competely.
[08:46] <cwillu> ...while the movie is playing...
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> disable the screensaver totally, competely. using the screensaver settings. :)
[08:47] <alex___> well that is ok for me but why doesn't VLC do it for me? Surely it is anoying to have to do it manually?
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> never noticed.. havent tried.. havenet heard of anyone else with the issue
[08:47] <alex___> Or do you know a CLI method to enable, disable screensaver?
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> file a bug report. thats whats alpha testing  is all about.
[08:48] <alex___> okok. I'll file a bug.
[08:48] <DKcross> can i, install plymouth on karmic koala?
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> !info plymouth
[08:51] <DKcross> https://launchpad.net/~plymouth-dev/+archive/ppa
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> do they have karnic packages in that ppa repo?
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> add the repos like they say.. and see if they do i guess...
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/plymouth-dev/ppa/ubuntu YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main
[08:54] <DKcross> Dr_Willis,  yes
[08:55] <DKcross> i have the repos,now
[09:13] <alteregoa> alex: compile vlc with svn
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> nice to see a new vlc version in 9.10  :) now everyone will be happy the video is back embeded in the main window
[09:17] <aboSamoor> no sound when playing youtube in firefox after the last updates of PulseAudio
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. havent noticed.. let me check
[09:19] <SoftVision> hi what is the path for the configuration file for grub2?
[09:20] <alteregoa> menu.lst?
[09:20] <alteregoa> _/boot/grub
[09:22] <SoftVision> there is no such file
[09:22] <durt> SoftVision, called grub.cfg
[09:23] <SoftVision> durt: thanks, got it.
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> grub 2 has its own config files that you SHOULD edit.. and some you DONT edit
[09:23] <SoftVision> strangely it didnt detect windows for me
[09:23] <Dr_Willis>  /etc/default/grub   and /etc/grub.d    are where teh ones you want to edit are
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> you do NOT want to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:25] <durt> that might be why grub.cfg reverts to default every time the package is upgraded :)
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> durt:  yes... you  are missing a BIG warning about grub2 :)
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> grub2 basics  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[09:25] <SoftVision> what do I want to edit then?
[09:26] <SoftVision> oh ok
[09:26]  * Dr_Willis looks up. :)
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> in grub.cfg --> #
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:26] <SoftVision> got it.
[09:26] <durt> thanks, actually spent alot of time a few days ago looking for good grub2 docs.
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> theres the grub2 docs.. then thres configuring grub2 in ubuntu :)
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> im not sure if the use of the /etc/default/grub stuff is ubuntu speciric or not
[09:27] <SoftVision> this doesnt make sense
[09:27] <SoftVision>  /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d dont look anything like menu.lst
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> The files in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d are read/parsed to generate the proper grub.cfg
[09:27] <SoftVision> so how am I supposed to add another operating system?
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> its not a menu.lst they are actually scripts
[09:27] <Dr_Willis>  From reading the README file it says..........
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> cat /etc/grub.d/README
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> For example, you can add an entry to boot another OS as
[09:28] <alteregoa> gorgs work great
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> 01_otheros, 11_otheros,
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> I got a windows vista entry in the '30_otheros' file..
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> pastebinit 30_otheros
[09:29] <SoftVision> I don't get it. Do I have to make a file in /etc/grub.d called 01_windows?
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f62b7d641
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> the readme says use 11+ for those OTHER os  enetries.
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> not 01
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> The files are parsed in order to gerneate the grub.cfg
[09:30] <SoftVision> I have windows xp on root(1,1)
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> so edit the example i pasted..
[09:31] <SoftVision> what do I name the file?
[09:32] <SoftVision> 11_windows will do right?
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> mine is called  30_otheros
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> that puts it at the end of the grub menus
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> and from what i am reading at the docs..
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> When "update-grub" or "update-grub2" is executed, Grub 2 will search for linux kernels and other Operating Systems. What and where is looks is based on the files contained in /etc/grub.d folder.
[09:33] <Dr_Willis>     * 10_linux searches for installed linux kernels.
[09:33] <Dr_Willis>     * 30_os-prober searches for other Operating Systems.
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> that 30_os-prober is spposed to find/auto add other os;s from what i gather.
[09:34] <SoftVision> ok so 30_windows should directly put it at the bottom right?
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> if you just run 'sudo update-grub2' thenit might auto-see/add your windows os
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> the fact its on hd1,1 might be confuseing it.
[09:36] <SoftVision> yeah it found it
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> so all you had to do was run 'update-grub' :)
[09:36] <SoftVision> lol yeah
[09:37] <SoftVision> thanks a lot Dr_Willis. :-)
[09:37] <SoftVision> cya.
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> Time to make a new alis to point people to the grub2 basics page.
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> *** Grub2 Basics (YES go read it!) --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[10:00] <tgpraveen> to all those using ubuntu 9.10\
[10:00] <tgpraveen> can you send/ receive files via bluetooth to any device?
[10:01] <tgpraveen> using the gnome-bluetooth which is installed by default out of the box
[10:16] <locker1> does the kubuntu alpha 5 make a good impression?
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> Kubuntu works decently well here
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> If you like kde :)
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> Im so used to gnome - i find parts of it.. odd.
[10:18] <locker1> gnome is too, yes, old and lame :)
[10:18] <locker1> kde 4.3 looks good, but i wasn't really happy with kde&ubuntu in the past...
[10:18] <locker1> let's try it..
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> kubuntu got some tweaking/loving this time around it seems
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> http://www.osnews.com/story/22113/Kubuntu_Gets_Some_Love
[10:20] <locker1> and i heard there were problems with ext4 and kde because of some files which are always rewritten
[10:21] <locker1> is this bug or other ext4 bug solved?
[10:28] <tgpraveen> has the bootscreen changed at all after that initial change in alpha 4/5
[10:28] <tgpraveen> that one doesn't look so good imho jaunty was better
[10:28] <tgpraveen> though the mockups are so good
[10:28] <tgpraveen> wonder when thye will implement that
[11:08] <pcbuilder97> any body installed 9.10  had issue with floppy drives running all the time???
[11:14] <alteregoa> i'm  a paranoid spangloid
[11:14] <alteregoa> my dual 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 do not run all the time builder
[11:16] <polter> can anyone in here tell me how to edit /debian/rules for the ffmpeg-sources to build with support for non-free codecs?
[11:17] <polter> where do I put the option I want to configure it with? there's a file called conffile or something like that, that contains a lot of options, but where do I put the stuff I want in it?
[11:26] <alteregoa> polter i just added the svn
[11:27] <alteregoa> now i can play almost anythin with ffmpeg
[11:27] <polter> well. I want to build a deb-package, so I thought I would just apt-get source it, edit the build rules, then manage it through apt
[11:28] <polter> and apparently the source file is broken because I get errors the stem from the original rules
[11:28] <alteregoa> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/FFmpeg/Kompilieren
[11:29] <polter> sorry I don't know german
[11:29] <polter> but hey, I'll try the instructions anyway
[11:30] <alteregoa> maybe its english if you google it
[11:31] <polter> it's ok.. I can probably work out what it say.. german and swedish aren't so different
[11:31] <alteregoa> eller eek sprek irclish
[11:32] <polter> ok now I totally don't know what you're saying :)
[11:32] <alteregoa> me too
[11:32] <alteregoa> vi är alla gothons
[11:34] <alteregoa> yeah i have to watch the new wiki movie
[11:46] <Michalxo> hello! anyone using GAJIM?
[11:46] <Michalxo> I can't hear any sound from gajim, anyone having similar bug?
[11:50] <alteregoa> gajim?
[11:50] <alteregoa> wtf is gajim?
[11:50] <BUGabundo> an IM client
[11:50] <BUGabundo> Michalxo: check its output
[11:51] <BUGabundo> make sure its using Pulse Audio
[11:51] <BUGabundo> and (install) and open PavuControl
[11:51] <BUGabundo> to see if gajim is outputing anything
[11:51] <Michalxo> hasn't karmic already got pavucontorl?
[11:51] <Michalxo> that default one?
[11:55] <BUGabundo> ah??
[11:55] <BUGabundo> don't think so
[11:56] <Michalxo> no, it's different a bit..
[11:56] <Michalxo> don't see any error concerning PA in gajim :-/
[11:57] <Michalxo> I think it used to use aplay -l for playing, but now there;s nothing ;_/
[11:57] <BUGabundo> if its using aplay then it's a bug
[11:57] <BUGabundo> it should be using system sound server
[11:58] <BUGabundo> in this case PA
[11:59] <Michalxo> ok, thanks :)
[12:00] <polter> isn't "./configure --prefix=/home/$USER/ffmpeg" supposed to work? it tells me the folder doesn't exist, which it does
[12:00] <polter> I can't seem to figure it ouy
[12:00] <polter> out
[12:00] <robin0800> BUGabundo: know anthing about the grub 2 recent bug
[12:01] <BUGabundo> robin0800: only what I've read here
[12:01] <robin0800> polter: try sudo
[12:01] <BUGabundo> about ati and remote pointers
[12:01] <BUGabundo> polter: does that bin even exist there???
[12:01] <polter> BUGabundo, what do you mean?
[12:01] <polter> I created all the necessary folders
[12:02] <BUGabundo> there's no exectable called ffmpeg on any user account
[12:02] <BUGabundo> ahh ok
[12:02] <polter> DOH!
[12:02] <polter> I just pasted all the option without actually writing ./configure :D
[12:02] <polter> damn it
[12:03] <BUGabundo> lololol
[12:04] <polter> hehe, yeah.. that'a  fail
[12:06] <Grantbow> probably an faq but I couldn't find it using google or launchpad searches.  Latest karmic, firefox 3.5 & flashplugin-nonfree - how can I watch youtube videos?  It keeps saying I need to install flashplugin.
[12:09] <BUGabundo> have you restarted FF ?
[12:09] <BUGabundo> 32 bits or 64 ?
[12:09] <Grantbow> 32 bits, yes I've restarted
[12:11] <BUGabundo> Grantbow: about:plugins
[12:11] <BUGabundo> is it there?
[12:11] <Grantbow> no, and I've tried several things to make it appear there but nothing has worked so far
[12:12] <penguin42> hmph, all my panels seem to have swapped monitors on that reboot
[12:15] <polter> I'm giving up on ffmpeg now.. it breaks when it gets to compiling matroska support
[12:20] <Grantbow> ~/.mozilla/firefox/xakl51nz.default/pluginreg.dat shows it's finding the libflashplayer.so plugin after finding several libtotem plugins
[12:21] <polter> Grantbow, remove gnash or swfdec if you got those installed
[12:22] <Grantbow> neither gnash nor swfdec are installed
[12:22] <Grantbow> thanks for the ideas
[12:24] <polter> Grantbow, I know I've had to create a symbolic link to flashplugin.so (or whatever it's called) in some folder of Firefox's under /usr/share
[12:24] <Grantbow> flashplugin-nonfree is version 10.0.32.18ubuntu1, the latest
[12:24] <polter> check /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[12:24] <polter> if there's some flash-plugin there
[12:25] <Grantbow> polter, I have done that I'll double check it
[12:25] <penguin42> Grantbow: Are you on 32bit or 64?
[12:25] <Grantbow> penguin42: 32 bit
[12:25] <penguin42> hmm should be the easy case
[12:26] <Grantbow> polter: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 2009-09-06 03:57 libflashplayer.so -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[12:26] <Grantbow> that should be right
[12:26] <Grantbow> I think
[12:26] <Grantbow> polter: that was from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[12:27] <polter> yeah I guess that looks right. I haven't messed around with flashplugin for a while
[12:28] <Grantbow> thanks for trying, good ideas to double check what I've been looking at
[12:29] <Grantbow> I feel like I'm on the right track but I'm missing something somehow - I'll find it eventually
[12:29] <penguin42> Grantbow: Although not very scientific, have you tried removing EVERYTHING flash related - every last bit; and reinstalling the flashplugin-nonfree?
[12:30] <penguin42> and delete the pluginreg.dat in your profile before reinstalling
[12:31] <Grantbow> penguin42: apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-installer ?  I tried that.  I haven't tried messing with the pluginreg.dat yet.
[12:31] <penguin42> Grantbow: Do that purge, but also go round and find any symlinks or stuff left around, clear those out
[12:31] <penguin42> Grantbow: I'd also do that pluginreg.dat - move it out of the way
[12:31] <Grantbow> penguin42: kk, thanks
[12:32] <penguin42> If that fails, sacrifice a chicken
[12:32] <Grantbow> that was my next thought, lol
[12:35] <Grantbow> penguin42: THAT'S IT! (in Charlie Brown Fashion) moving the pluginreg.dat out of the way fixed it. Thank you!
[12:35] <penguin42> no problem; I think it's like a cache that sometimes gets out of sync
[12:36] <Grantbow> it was in there before but didn't work
[12:36] <Grantbow> now it does
[12:36] <penguin42> you can put the chicken away for next time you have to fix printing
[12:38] <Grantbow> printing was earlier today and I appended to the bug!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/417977
[12:38] <BUGabundo> penguin42: :D
[12:38]  * penguin42 checks - nope, not a Tuesday
[12:39] <Grantbow> Thanks everyone for the help!
[12:39] <penguin42> np
[12:40] <BUGabundo> penguin42: *best* bug so far
[12:45] <qlhm> hi, i' m testing karmic alpha 5 and having the following problem with grub2 in lvm2 partitions as / :
[12:45] <qlhm> # grub-probe -t device /
[12:45] <qlhm> grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /.
[12:45] <BUGabundo> grub-probe is having lots of prob recently
[12:45] <BUGabundo> hang on a bit
[13:01] <Newbee> hello everybody
[13:01] <Newbee> I have kubuntu 9.10 alpha 5 and I don't know how to make the network manager applet to connect to a wlan whose SSID is not visible.
[13:26] <tgpraveen> has the bootscreen changed at all after that initial change in alpha 4/5
[13:26] <tgpraveen> that one doesn't look so good imho jaunty was better
[13:26] <tgpraveen>  though the mockups are so good
[13:27] <__Dragon__> can anyone help me out with this sound problem on 9.10?
[13:47] <ChrisBuchholz> Hi, I'm having troubles connecting (via android sdk) to my htc magic. I've did it before, but I've just installed karmic alpha 5, and now I can't remember which of the many udev rules suggested actually worked for me last time
[13:47] <qlhm> hi, does anyone have seen this grub2 problem in lvm2 partitions in karmic a5, and have any idea on the cause?
[13:47] <qlhm> # grub-probe -t device /
[13:47] <qlhm> grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /.
[13:47] <ChrisBuchholz> Anyone knows which might work with karmic?
[13:48] <ChrisBuchholz> I've tried them all, i guess, but none of them workes
[13:49] <qlhm> my /proc/mounts contains /dev/disk/by-uuid/c5bffbe1-6968-4eee-a800-8346df56459a / btrfs rw,relatime 0 0
[13:50] <qlhm> and /dev/disk/by-uuid contains lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  20 2009-09-06 12:11 c5bffbe1-6968-4eee-a800-8346df56459a -> ../../mapper/vg0-os0
[13:50] <qlhm> and /dev/mapper actually contains brw-rw----  1 root disk 252,  0 2009-09-06 12:11 vg0-os0 as expected.
[13:51] <nperry> ChrisBuchholz: bear with me two mins, ill be able to help
[13:51] <ChrisBuchholz> nperry: sure, no problems
[13:54] <nperry> ChrisBuchholz:  Way i did it was like this gksudo gedit /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules then put SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666"
[13:54] <nperry> Works fine for me
[13:55] <ChrisBuchholz> i'll try that
[13:55] <nperry> But thats on my dream not to sure if SYSFS will be different :s
[13:56] <ChrisBuchholz> actually, i'm quite sure it's the same for magic - of what i remember anyways
[13:56] <ChrisBuchholz> nope, didn't work either, on fortunately
[13:56] <ChrisBuchholz> i remember having lots of problems on jaunty too, but then i found one that worked
[13:57] <ChrisBuchholz> now i can't find it again
[13:57] <nperry> then  /etc/init.d/udev reload - disconnect both sides of cable the re-plugin
[13:58] <ChrisBuchholz> hmm
[13:58] <ChrisBuchholz> * Reloading kernel event manager...                                            No /sbin/udevd found running; none killed.
[13:59] <nperry> sudo :P
[13:59] <ChrisBuchholz> oh, sure!:D
[14:00] <ChrisBuchholz> still no luck
[14:00] <nperry> What the reload or the adb?
[14:00] <ChrisBuchholz> adb
[14:00] <nperry> Are you adb kill-server
[14:01] <nperry> then adb start-server
[14:02] <ChrisBuchholz> yes
[14:02] <ChrisBuchholz> still no luck
[14:02] <nperry> what does adb devices outpit?
[14:02] <nperry> *output
[14:02] <ChrisBuchholz> i remember using 90-android.rules instead of 51 last
[14:02] <ChrisBuchholz> nothing at all
[14:02] <ChrisBuchholz> the same problem i had last time
[14:02] <ChrisBuchholz> but then i tried a lot of different lingus' and at last, one worked
[14:03] <nperry> http://bzed.de/posts/2009/05/howto_set_android_developer_device_permissions_with_udev/
[14:04] <nperry> This uses 90, but such a farst way around it, what i said worked first time for me!
[14:06] <nperry> ah ChrisBuchholz  for th
[14:06] <ChrisBuchholz> huh?:D
[14:06] <nperry> chmod a+rx /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules
[14:07] <ChrisBuchholz> i'll try that:P
[14:07] <nperry> Just another suggestion, i followed a guide on XDA Devs for it
[14:08] <nperry> tbh for weeks before i discovered it, i was sudo adb start-server
[14:08] <nperry> Which I had no problems with
[14:08] <ChrisBuchholz> still nothing, i'm afraid
[14:09] <nperry> Meh, sorry - Out of ideas for tha
[14:09] <nperry> s/tha/that
[14:09] <ChrisBuchholz> thanks for the help anyways:P
[14:10] <nperry> It all worked for me first time, dunno if its because its a magic
[14:13] <nperry> Maybe drop by in #android or #android-root
[14:13] <ChrisBuchholz> nperry: thanks, i'll try that
[14:14] <ChrisBuchholz> yeah, i got it working
[14:14] <nperry> Ah great :)
[14:14] <ChrisBuchholz> i just changed 51 to 90 and SYSFS to ATTRS
[14:15] <ChrisBuchholz> and then it pupped up
[14:16] <ChrisBuchholz> thanks for your time, nperry ;)
[14:16] <nperry> Not a problem!
[14:25] <Michalxo> anyone able to see this?  http://www.atdhe.net/7565/watch-fia-wtcc-oschersleben- ?
[14:25] <Michalxo> I think there is some flash problem...
[14:26] <Michalxo> a friend of me is able to see it in Vista,... and another on arch none.. same as me. :-/
[14:27] <Michalxo> not +1 question.. sorry
[14:28] <penguin42> Michalxo: It doesn't seem to work in Chromium+flash10 on karmic
[14:29] <Michalxo> interesting :-(
[14:29] <Michalxo> not in whole linux probably :-/
[14:29] <Blade> Hey can someone please help me, i installed Xubuntu yesterday and updated it today, i restarted it and now i'm stuck on the GRUB menu
[14:30] <penguin42> Blade: does it give you any errors?
[14:31] <Blade> well there's 6 different options for me to choose from, there's the 2 memory tests
[14:31] <Blade> and the 2 diff versions of ubuntu (each with a recovery mode)
[14:31] <Blade> the 2 ubuntu versions i see are:
[14:32] <Michalxo> penguin42, any thoughts about how to make it run? :-
[14:32] <penguin42> Michalxo: No
[14:32] <Michalxo> so problem pure in falsh, right?
[14:32] <Blade> 2.6.31-9-generic and 2.6.30-8-generic
[14:33] <penguin42> so what happens when you pick 2.6.31-9-generic?
[14:33] <Blade> when i select "Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic"
[14:33] <Blade> then it says
[14:34] <Blade> "Booting 'Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic' "
[14:34] <Blade> error: Unknown argument `--no-floppy'
[14:34] <Blade> Failed to boot default entries.
[14:34] <Blade> Press any key to continue..._
[14:34] <penguin42> weird
[14:34] <Blade> thats it
[14:34] <Blade> ye
[14:35] <penguin42> ok, well I think it gives you an option to hit 'e' to edit doesn't it ?
[14:35] <Blade> yes it does
[14:35] <penguin42> so select the 2.6.31-9-generic and hit e to edit, see if you can see the --no-floppy anywhere and remove it
[14:36] <Blade> all that i see is "set quiet=1"
[14:36] <Blade> O.o
[14:37] <penguin42> oh
[14:37] <Blade> ye, wat should it say?
[14:38]  * penguin42 guesses this is a grub2-ism that I haven't looked at before
[14:38] <Blade> =/
[14:40] <penguin42> the examples I can find in launchpad seem to suggest the --no-floppy is part of a 'search' line associated with a menu entry as opposed to a kernel flag itself
[14:40] <Blade> penguin42, do u know of anywhere where i might be able to get help on this?
[14:40] <penguin42> no, sorry I'm still on 1
[14:40] <Blade> is there some way for me to move back to 1?
[14:41] <Blade> i'm a newbie when it comes to linux
[14:41] <penguin42> I guess you could install 1 - but it might just be better to fix that; I doubt it's a particularly big screw up
[14:41] <Blade> how would i be able to install it? =/
[14:46] <Blade> penguin42, niether of i know how to fix the problem, so do u know how i can go back to grub1?
[14:47] <penguin42> I've installed Grub1 in the past - but I don't know how to do it in a way which will leave you with a booting xubuntu based on your current install - my bet is that the best way is to use the edit feature to fix whatever the issue is, but that will need someone who knows grub2 better than me
[14:48] <Blade> meh
[14:48] <Blade> thanks for ur help buddy
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:48] <Blade> i guess i'll keep wondering around google
[14:49]  * penguin42 goes afk for a while
[14:49] <BluesKaj> google what issue , Blade?
[14:49] <Blade> let me pm u rather
[14:54] <BluesKaj> bummer, I couldn't help
[14:55] <BluesKaj> still trying to come back to life ..gulping coffee
[15:05] <Michalxo> pulseaudio is crashing again...
[15:08] <tj83> Michalxo, join the club same problem here
[15:08] <Michalxo> pulseaudio assert failure: *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/pulseaudio: corrupted double-linked list: <address>
[15:09] <tj83> Michalxo, what log did you pull that from?
[15:09] <Michalxo> well it's bug
[15:09] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+filebug/A0tf0GmTUQbNzJxvJzdVBNHWLsh
[15:09] <tj83> from syslog : Sep  6 10:03:10 quad rtkit-daemon[3541]: Warning: Reached burst limit for user '1000', denying request.
[15:10] <tj83> i get this repeating over and over
[15:11] <Michalxo> heh
[15:11] <Michalxo> sadly, PA is still a piece of ** :(
[15:11] <Michalxo> 1,5 years and still bugging :(
[15:12] <tj83> Michalxo, is that URL you gave a link to the bug? i just get get the "report a bug" page
[15:14]  * tj83 goes to smoke brb
[15:17] <aboSamoor> does anyone have problem with pulseaudio and flash ? here, I don't have sound when playing youtube !
[15:18] <aboSamoor> Michalxo: I feel that programming pulseaudio is like going to the moon !
[15:18] <Michalxo> tj83, yes.. I thought it will list the similar bugs.. around 10 same :)
[15:18] <Michalxo> aboSamoor, I have opposite :D
[15:18] <Michalxo> but only in 1 stream.. else works fine :-/
[15:20] <Michalxo> aboSamoor, try searching the launchpad bugs... I think this bug is very common ;)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor, I purged pulseaudio and my sound probs went away :P
[15:24] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj: The idea of using karmic to help ubuntu by reporting bugs, once it is released and the prbs are not fixed I will purge it ;)
[15:25] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor, the sound server falls back to the kernel module in most cases cuz it has the drivers ...well maybe the devs should purge it too cuz the probs with PA just keep mounting
[15:26] <tj83> what about just disabling PA? something we can use till the bugs get worked out? everything else seems relatively stable.
[15:26] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj: I am really shocked why creating a sound system is hard ! according to my readings this is  not a challenge for science and at least not NP problem !!!
[15:27] <aboSamoor> tj83: skype 2.1 does not have other than pulseaudio in the sound options !
[15:28] <tj83> aboSamoor, ah i see, well as i dont use skype much, i could wait till PA gets whipped into better shape.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor, now relying totally on PA is a big mistake
[15:31]  * penguin42 is now using chromium as his main browser
[15:31] <BluesKaj> skype for linux devs should be taken to task for that
[15:37] <aboSamoor> penguin42: chrome does not have feeling luck in the address bar :(
[15:37] <penguin42> it's fast and flash doesn't seem to crash in it as much as it does in ff
[15:39] <aboSamoor> penguin42: LOL, sound for flash is working chromium
[15:39] <penguin42> sound in flash has more to do with blackmagic and incantations
[15:43] <BluesKaj> been using chromium for 2 mos now , and it's become my default browser
[15:44] <aboSamoor> chromium seems robust browser but it lacks many features
[15:44] <BluesKaj> all the media plugins in chromium work very well, very few pages crash or freeze FF3.5 was worse in that regard
[15:45] <penguin42> there are some things that bug me - but stability is a big one for me
[15:45] <BluesKaj> the bookmark toolbar setup is a bit different ,but manageable
[15:46] <BluesKaj> aka bookmarksbar
[15:46] <penguin42> yeh, I'm missing a home button - but I just added a google button to the tool bar and that does
[15:48] <BluesKaj> penguin42, you can add the home button in options/basic/show home button on toolbar
[15:49] <penguin42> ooh, hadn't noticed that - thanks!
[15:49] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:49] <penguin42> the only annoying thing is having to start it with --enable-plugins; I've added that to my panel button
[15:51] <BluesKaj> penguin42,  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/ ' then ' chromium-browser --enable-plugins
[15:53] <BluesKaj> penguin42, open /etc/chromium-browser/default , make sure last line is : CHROMIUM_FLAGS=""--enable-plugins
[15:56] <penguin42> ah ok
[15:58] <BluesKaj> that fix is right from the #chromium devs
[16:09] <penguin42> the one thing I'd like to change is that it seems to prefer it's 'other bookmarks' tab on the right - and that right is a wrong
[16:10] <vlt_mob> Hello. I installed ubuntu karmic, plugged in a usb webcam and started xawtv. I can see the captured image for about 10 seconds, then only the first 16 or 20 columns of pixels on the left. http://pastebin.com/f20792d61 shows the syslog events when plugging in the cam and when starting xawtv. When the image goes dark nothing is written there. Any idea?
[16:10] <penguin42> that syslog looks ok
[16:13] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yeah it's a bit quirky but I'm becoming accustomed :)
[16:14] <pc> I just upgraded to 9.10 alpha 5 and I can't connect to my wifi. What can I do?
[16:14] <vlt_mob> When restarting xawtv the image is still cropped. Plugging the device to another usb port "resets" something and I can see an image for 10 seconds again.
[16:15] <penguin42> vlt_mob: Do you have something which records the camera output? I'm just wondering if the problem is the camera or the thing that's displaying it
[16:15] <vlt_mob> penguin42: What could I use for recording the output?
[16:15] <penguin42> not sure, but I bet there's something for webcams to do that
[16:16] <BluesKaj> pc, there are some networking probs with some wifi cards ..do an iwconfig ,and pastebin the output if any
[16:18] <pc> BluesKaj: ESSID is nothing ("") and wlan0 isn't associated with any network.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> pc, you had the wifi working ok in jaunty , right ?
[16:19] <pc> BluesKaj: Yes
[16:21] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: Its a wpa-psk, and I had no probs with jaunty. The problem must be some change in networkanager
[16:21] <BluesKaj> well, I've been using wicd as my wifi network manager on 3 linux machines and 2 are karmic , so I've been recommending wicd as an alternative to the default network manager ..received some flak over this but I beleive ppl should know about it
[16:22] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: Ok, I could give it a try.
[16:22] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: it's deb http://apt.wicd.net karmic extras, right?
[16:23] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: How can I donwload the package on this machine (I'm in jaunty in another pc) ?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> wicd works on wpa-psk andwpa2 , and all of the encryptions actually ...http://www.wicd.net
[16:25] <BluesKaj> alexandernst, make sure you canonical partner debs and third party repos are enabled
[16:26] <BluesKaj> if you want to take the cli, aptitude or apt-get route
[16:27] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: I have enabled them, but the prob is that I'm on jaunty on another machine, and I can't conect to any network on my pc with karmic. So, how can I get the debs?
[16:27] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: Maybe from ppa?
[16:28] <penguin42> alexandernst: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/wicd/download
[16:29] <penguin42> oh substitute karmic in there
[16:29] <alexandernst> s/jaunty/karmic, yes :)
[16:29] <alexandernst> Thanks penguin42
[16:32] <BluesKaj> alexandernst, sorry i was replying to an important email , yes penguin42 's suggestion is a good one
[16:33] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: np ;)
[16:41] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: I had to remove network-manager. Then I installed it and now it says that it can't connect to dbus interface.
[16:45] <BluesKaj> alexandernst, are you in 'preferences' ?
[16:45] <alexandernst> Yes
[16:46] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: I already set as default WiCD
[16:46] <BluesKaj> does it see nay networks ?
[16:46] <BluesKaj> any
[16:46] <alexandernst> I cant even start it.
[16:46] <adam7> alexandernst: can you /etc/init.d/wicd start ?
[16:46] <alexandernst> 1sec, Ill try that
[16:48] <alexandernst> Ah, I think I know wha't s the problem. I'm missing pynotify
[16:48] <alexandernst> Could be that?
[16:49] <vlt_mob> penguin42: I installed fswebcam and used the --loop option to save several images to the fs. The images get cropped now after about 45 captured images.
[16:49] <BluesKaj> alexandernst, alt+f2 wicd in the textbar
[16:49] <adam7> alexandernst: you don't need pynotify, it's optional
[16:49] <penguin42> vlt_mob: OK so what that tells me is it's the webcam and not the thing displaying it
[16:49] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: It tries to start, it asks me for root passwd and then crashes saying that it can't connect to dbus
[16:50] <penguin42> vlt_mob: I think you need to file a bug on that, probably on the kernel since I'm assuming it's the device driver
[16:53] <vlt_mob> penguin42: Ok
[16:53] <BluesKaj> alexandernst, try this : wicd-client
[16:53] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: same
[16:53] <alexandernst> (already tried)
[16:54] <BluesKaj> gonna look around bbiab
[16:54] <alexandernst> ok
[17:04] <BluesKaj> alexandernst, dunno if this will help , open system/settings/advanced/Hardware/Network management backend , move wicd to the top ,if listed
[17:04] <alexandernst> I did that already :(
[17:04] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:05] <BluesKaj> which wifi card , alexandernst
[17:05] <alexandernst> I'm with rt61pci driver
[17:15] <BluesKaj> alexandernst, this is somewhat drastic but it might work for you if you decide to use wicd : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-604534.html
[17:16] <alexandernst> 1sec, I'll read it.
[17:18] <alexandernst> BluesKaj: Tried that too. There is a bug with my hardware config and I cant use monkey driver.
[17:18] <alexandernst> s/bug/conflict
[17:18] <alexandernst> It makes so weird kernel panic
[17:25] <BluesKaj> the only thing i cansuggest right now is try to solve the default network manager problem , didn't realize you have bug with atheros cuz use the same one on our laptop with wicd
[17:25] <adam7> alexandernst: did you look at wicd's log file in /var/log/wicd/ ?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> alexandernst, you could ask over at #wicd , they are very helpful
[17:30] <alexandernst> adam7: I'll have a look, 1sec. BluesKa: Yes, I should ask there :/
[17:31] <piquadrat> Hi! I have problems adding openoffice extensions through the extension manager in Karmic. When I click "Add" and choose a downloaded extensions, an error dialog says "The operation on file:/path/to.oxt was started with an invalid parameter"
[17:31] <BluesKaj> adam7, I see you're over at #wicd too , glad you're here to help , cuz I'm puzzled
[17:32] <adam7> BluesKaj: I'd like to see the log file
[17:32] <BluesKaj> right
[17:33] <arand> Has anyone heard any news on whether they're sticking with this current upate notification scheme in KK and onwards?
[17:34] <adam7> arand: I believe they are, if you mean the one where they don't show the icon in the panel
[17:36] <arand> adam7: yea, and the popup. Ok, well, lost case then.
[17:36] <adam7> arand: there is a gconf key you can change
[17:36] <adam7> that will switch the old behavior back
[17:36] <arand> adam7: I'm very aware of that.
[17:36] <adam7> arand: ok
[17:40] <arand> But it's just the fact of ayatana going against what seems like the whole community, for no benefit, but ubuntu is partly canonical I guess...
[17:42] <BluesKaj> plasma crashes almost every time kate is opened here
[17:43] <BluesKaj> it recovers ok ,but it's annoying
[17:45] <alexandernst> adam7: It was some kind of weird tricky bug in policity kit... wicd wasn't able to get access to my card because of permission probs. I had to manually allow the access. And now I'm able to connect :)
[17:45] <alexandernst> Really thanks!
[17:45] <alexandernst> Thanks to you too BluesKaj :)
[17:46] <alexandernst> I'll stay with wicd until network-manager gets more stable.
[17:46] <BluesKaj> alexandernst, cool , glad to hear that :)
[17:48] <aboSamoor> how can I downgrade pulseaudio to  1:0.9.16~test5-0ubuntu2 which was publish on the 25th of August ?
[17:50] <penguin42> try apt-get install pulseaudio=1:0.9.16~test5-0ubuntu2
[17:50] <arand> my oh my... I wonder what this means: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/UpdateIssues#Progressively%20intrusive%20update%20notifications%20upon%20time
[17:52] <danbhfive> arand: it looks better than it is now, doesn't it?
[17:52] <penguin42> arand: It looks rather complicated - but I think the idea is to bug people more if they don't update and less if they do
[17:57] <penguin42> arand: I think the other thing it's saying is that for someone who uses their machine rarely the process of updating can consume a relatively large chunk of that time
[17:58] <NoelJB> Anyone know if something like bug 422234 needs to be sponsored, or if the maintainers will get a round tuit?
[17:58] <penguin42> NoelJB: If it says fix released I guess that's good
[18:00] <penguin42> NoelJB: You could ask on #ubuntu-motu if anyone can help push it along, but as I read it the fix on the gnome bug tracker was only released about a week ago
[18:02] <NoelJB> penguin42, as the upstream author commented, it has been fixed upstream for almost two weeks.
[18:02] <NoelJB> Ok, we'll split the difference :-)
[18:03] <NoelJB> penguin42, I don't think it is MOTU (q.v., apt-cache show vinagre)
[18:04] <penguin42> NoelJB: They might still be able to gently know how to push it along
[18:04] <NoelJB> penguin42, the current version should never have been released.  Fundamentally broken.  The most cursory test would have shown that the current release has zero functionality.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> there goes that overused word again
[18:04] <NoelJB> BluesKaj, which word?  test?
[18:05] <penguin42> ah - release?
[18:05] <BluesKaj>  functionality
[18:05] <penguin42> NoelJB: I'm not sure of the exact circumstances of that package; but some package testing never hurts - you'd hope for some automated stuff by now
[18:05] <NoelJB> BluesKaj, it loads.  beyond that, nothing.  try to exercise its basic function, and it terminates with an error.
[18:07] <NoelJB> penguin42, do you know where Ubuntu lists its bug categories?  This one is listed as medium, which I think is well low.
[18:07] <danbhfive> isn't gnome not yet final?  I thought it wasn't final till ubuntu beta
[18:07] <penguin42> NoelJB: No, I could swear I've seen one though
[18:28] <NoelJB> OK, MOTU said to subscribe Ubuntu Main Sponsors, so I've done that.
[19:07] <Polterge|st> audio is working for me now pretty well it seems like but totem will not play anything and neither will rhythmbox and I think that is a gstreamer padding problem or something
[19:10] <knittl> hm. am i the only one that thinks flat volume sucks?
[19:10] <knittl> can i disable it?
[19:10] <Polterge|st> most everything else works for me though except for that and I cannot disable nautilus to drawing the desktop last time I checked because it sends nautilus into an infinite loop if I try to open it. Disabling the draw desktop feature in nautilus is good for compiz's wallpaper plugin because they clash with eachother and nautilus will override the wallpaper plugin. That brings me to another thing that should be integra
[19:10] <Polterge|st> ted. Nautilus needs to be recompiled with libeel support and the wallpaper plugin support from compiz and put back in the Karmic. It is about time ...
[19:12] <Polterge|st> I still don't know why something that simple hasn't been reintegrated yet. I'd do it personally on my system but I have monitor issues that prevent me from using my tty's unless I use the i810 chipset instead of my nvidia
[19:12] <Polterge|st> it would be more practical if someone with access to a tty would recompile that and put it into the repos or something
[19:13] <Polterge|st> that is a big problem I seen in the last version of Ubuntu vs KDE based distros whereas in KDE they already have official support for it
[19:15] <Polterge|st> the support is available for Gnome but should be included as a default option because logically alot of people who use Gnome and might be migrating from KDE possibly are looking for the same feature in Gnome and that is one reason some people go back to KDE. I know it sounds silly but people like their wallpapers ...
[19:15] <Polterge|st> anyway those are the main things I notice so far from updates and all
[19:16] <Polterge|st> I posted a link the other day that had instructions on howto compile the wallpaper compatibility into nautilus
[19:17] <Polterge|st> I know this is just a UI tweak but it certainly would make things look better anyway
[19:18] <Polterge|st> as for the rest of it ... it is  a given that it should keep being worked on because it is only in Alpha 5 and won't be final until late October and that's fine with me but I still think things like UI improvements and media improvements with things like totem or rhythmbox will please more of the average users who might be checking out Karmic ( whether Alpha or not ) it is just stuff that will appeal to people at firs
[19:18] <Polterge|st> t glance.
[19:21] <NoelJB> Polterge|st, shouldn't this be posted as a bug on LP?
[19:22] <Polterge|st> well probably ... and I am doing that also but some bugs won't post for some reason
[19:22] <Polterge|st> anyway that is why I just tell people here once in awhile. Coders come in and out of here so they see suggestions and get ideas in passing sometimes I would think
[19:23] <Polterge|st> although I leave bugs too
[19:23] <NoelJB> knittl, what is it that you want?  Is alsamixer what you want?  Or padevchooser (and related)?  Before you install that, though, please see bug 423127, because you'll get a bunch of cruft you don't need.
[19:23] <Polterge|st> any ideas or suggestions I can give for advancement of Karmic I want to give to speed up the process
[19:23] <knittl> NoelJB: i searched around the net
[19:24] <knittl> the new "feature" is flat control
[19:24] <NoelJB> Polterge|st, understood.  which is why I've been collaborating on #nm on NM and MM issues.
[19:24] <Polterge|st> it is on a good path but it needs all the good ideas it can get from as many people as possible to make it the best that it can possibly be
[19:24] <knittl> changing overall volume to the loudest application
[19:24] <Polterge|st> I am liking some of the changes in Karmic's UI
[19:24] <Polterge|st> the audio manager for pulse is nice and seems to be working better than it was for me
[19:25] <Polterge|st> it is becoming better in that now you can see which applications have volume
[19:25] <Polterge|st> and you can control them independently
[19:25] <Polterge|st> something Jaunty couldn't do
[19:25] <Polterge|st> well it could
[19:25] <Polterge|st> but not in the same way
[19:26] <knittl> no, in karmic volume of all applications is depending on each other
[19:26] <Polterge|st> everything wasn't right there in one spot in Jaunty like it is in Karmic
[19:26] <knittl> that's not "natural" as they call it
[19:26] <NoelJB> Polterge|st, yes, but it is going to have issues.  For example, we're lacking control for multiple devices because padevchooser isn't integrated into the UI, and is a bit hacky to use.
[19:26] <Polterge|st> knittl, no I mean if you look in the volume section in pulse's new audio app for controlling the system volume... there is an area where apps and their volume levels show up
[19:27] <knittl> Polterge|st: yeah i know. that's nice
[19:27] <Polterge|st> I do like that feature alot
[19:27] <knittl> but i dislike how volume is handled
[19:27] <knittl> try setting system volume to 10 percent
[19:27] <Polterge|st> I do notice a pause of garbling once in awhile
[19:27] <knittl> open totem and rhythmbox
[19:27] <NoelJB> Polterge|st, are you using the audo dev ppa?
[19:27] <Polterge|st> yes
[19:28] <Polterge|st> I did notice an improvement since the last audio dev update
[19:28] <knittl> cramp up the volume in rhythmbox -> system volume goes up
[19:28] <Polterge|st> and totem and rhythmbox won't play for me at all right now
[19:28] <Polterge|st> maybe I just need to log out of X
[19:28] <Polterge|st> and log back in or something
[19:28] <knittl> now turn down system volume -> volume in both rhythmbox and totem go down
[19:28] <Polterge|st> like possibly reboot
[19:29] <Polterge|st> knittl, I know what you mean about it being bound to system volume
[19:29] <knittl> Polterge|st: i don't like it …
[19:29] <Polterge|st> knittl, although I had that issue before in Jaunty too so it doesn't bother me quite so bad
[19:29] <knittl> no, i hadn't had issues in jaunty (except for vlc, but i got them fixed)
[19:29] <knittl> they are here again in karmic …
[19:30] <NoelJB> knittl, open bug reports :-)
[19:30] <knittl> NoelJB: i still have the beta vlc from jaunty
[19:31] <knittl> 1.0-git-something
[19:31] <NoelJB> vlc 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 for me
[19:31] <knittl> vlc 1.0.2-git goldeneye
[19:32] <knittl> i should possibly downgrade
[19:32] <knittl> how can i force a version?
[19:33] <djdarkman> hello, how can I debug my webcam?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> vlc 1.0.1goldeneye works well on my karmic setup
[19:35] <knittl> BluesKaj: it's 1.0.2 here
[19:35] <djdarkman> lsusb shows my webcam
[19:35] <djdarkman> but no other applications seems to recognize it
[19:35] <djdarkman> it worked in jaunty, and it's a built in webcam
[19:36] <danbhfive> djdarkman: you could try gstream-properties
[19:36] <Polterge|st> I really am missing my multiple wallpapers heh. Sooner or later they will recompile nautilus with the multi-wallpaper support from the compiz wallpaper plugin
[19:36] <BluesKaj> knittl, git is a bit bleeding edge , is it not ?
[19:36] <knittl> BluesKaj: yes, but it was the only one working in jaunty
[19:37] <knittl> how can i downgrade?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> knittl, ok , i stayed with jaunty for only 2 wks or so and decided to test karmic
[19:37] <danbhfive> knittl:  I don't think you can.  You can only uninstall and reinstall
[19:37] <knittl> danbhfive: it cries about unmet dependencies
[19:38] <danbhfive> knittl: I might be able to help if you post the exact error
[19:38] <knittl> vlc: Depends: vlc-nox (= 1.0.1-1ubuntu2) but 1.0.2~git+20090811-0ubuntu1~kow1 is to be installed
[19:38] <knittl>        Depends: libvlccore2 (>= 1.0.0~rc1) but it is not going to be installed
[19:38] <knittl> because i removed the ppa from sources.list
[19:39] <NoelJB> djdarkman, file a bug report with that info.
[19:39] <danbhfive> knittl: did you remove vlc?
[19:39] <knittl> apt-get install vlc-
[19:40] <knittl> maybe i should remove vlc-nox as well …
[19:40] <danbhfive> knittl: yeah, remove all the vlc packages that are mentioned, and then sudo apt-get clean
[19:41] <knittl> ok, installing again. thanks :)
[19:44] <Polterge|st> yeah as usual I cannot disable the desktop drawing feature in nautilus and still open nautilus but at least it isn't going into an infinite crash loop
[19:44] <Polterge|st> before it was pretty horrible about crashing
[19:44] <Polterge|st> now it seems like it isn't crashing at least
[19:44] <Polterge|st> it just isn't loading either
[19:44] <Polterge|st> heh
[19:59] <billybigrigger> djdarkman, you alive still?
[19:59] <billybigrigger> what kind of webcam is it?
[20:00] <billybigrigger> i know my webcam hasn't worked in the new kernel, probably why yours doesn't either, althought the jaunty 2.6.28 kernel worked fine
[20:00] <billybigrigger> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 045e:00f7 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-1000
[20:05] <djdarkman> billybigrigger: I'm here
[20:05] <djdarkman> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0c45:62c0 Microdia Sonix USB 2.0 Camera
[20:05] <djdarkman> this is my webcam
[20:06] <billybigrigger> yeah
[20:06] <billybigrigger> i use the sonixj module for mine aswell
[20:07] <djdarkman> but I don't understand, how come it's detected and reported but not working
[20:07] <billybigrigger> you get just a green screen in cheese or camorama? with the usb light turning on
[20:07] <djdarkman> no, I get nothing, it doesn't show up in /dev/ I reckon
[20:08] <danbhfive> djdarkman: well, if it is reported via lsusb, that just means that the usb part is working, not the webcam part
[20:08] <sttj> can anyone confirm that the 'date' command in karmic always returns UTC time if the TZ env variable is set? I'm a bit confused and not sure that it's a bug or just my system.
[20:08] <djdarkman> danbhfive: how can I test the webcam part? how can I found out what's the problem?
[20:09] <danbhfive> djdarkman: well, gstream-properties is a good way to test if it works in gstream I think
[20:09] <billybigrigger> djdarkman, the problem is the kernel module
[20:09] <billybigrigger> i have been following up on it since the first rc of 2.6.30
[20:10] <djdarkman> gstreamer-properties-Message: Error running pipeline 'Video for Linux 2 (v4l2)': Could not open device '/dev/video0' for reading and writing. [v4l2_calls.c(496): gst_v4l2_open (): /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstV4l2Src:v4l2src3:
[20:10] <djdarkman> system error: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown]
[20:10] <NoelJB> sttj, no ... $  date
[20:10] <NoelJB> Sun Sep  6 15:10:35 EDT 2009
[20:11] <dupondje> Icons gone in menu's ?
[20:12] <billybigrigger> dupondje, System>Preferences>Appearance
[20:12] <sttj> NoelJB: if is that with TZ set? did you try it with something like $ export TZ=NZST  ?
[20:12] <billybigrigger> then go to Interface tab, and click "show all menu icons"
[20:12] <NoelJB> dupondje, yes ... there's a bug report on it.  The Gnome folks are pushing it.
[20:12] <billybigrigger> dupondje, that's the new DEFAULT gnome look
[20:12] <dupondje> billybigrigger: thx ;)
[20:12] <NoelJB> sttj, no, TZ is not set in the environment
[20:12] <billybigrigger> they need to come up with something better
[20:13] <billybigrigger> Apps has all but 1 icon, Places has an icon here, 2 there, none there, 1 there, and System has ZERO!!!!
[20:13] <billybigrigger> there's no consistency
[20:13] <danbhfive> heh, allot of the icons really aren't that informative
[20:13] <NoelJB> sttj, OH!  you see it if it IS set.  sorry, read it backwards.
[20:13] <billybigrigger> i think they should remove ALL root menu icons, and have the sub-menus with icons
[20:13] <sttj> NoelJB: no worries.
[20:13] <sttj> NoelJB: can you check, please.
[20:13] <billybigrigger> so everything under Apps, Places, System would have none, and their sub-menus would have icons
[20:14] <billybigrigger> djdarkman, does /dev/video0 exist?
[20:14] <NoelJB> sttj, just did ... $  export TZ=EDT; date --> Sun Sep  6 19:13:57 EDT 2009
[20:14] <NoelJB> so, yes. you seem to be correct.
[20:15] <sttj> NoelJB: any clue for what part of the system I need to create a bug report? is that bash?
[20:15] <djdarkman> yes billybigrigger
[20:15] <NoelJB> billybigrigger, why?  I find that with the icons there, I can visually scan for what I want just that bit quicker.
[20:15] <dtchen_> sttj: it doesn't seem like a bug
[20:16] <dtchen_> sttj: e.g., TZ=foo date
[20:16] <NoelJB> sttj, $  dpkg -S /bin/date --> coreutils: /bin/date
[20:17] <sttj> dtchen_: what do you think it is?
[20:17] <dtchen_> sttj: note that there are two facets to this "unexpected" behaviour: 1) what to do when $TZ is invalid (note: NOT unset), 2) what to do when $TZ is valid
[20:18] <dtchen_> sttj: please file a bug against coreutils
[20:18] <dtchen_> sttj: i suspect the interaction is a bit more complex than i'm simplifying; colin will have a better idea
[20:18] <DanaG> Sun Sep  6 19:18:41 YOUR 2009
[20:18] <DanaG> Sun Sep  6 19:18:45 YOURMOM 2009
[20:18] <DanaG> =þ
[20:19] <sttj> thanks, will check for a related bug report and if I can't find any will create one.
[20:20] <NoelJB> dtchen_, audio question ... Skype (beta) uses PulseAudio now.  Working fine with the Audio Dev PPA.  BUT when I plug in my webcam, which has the nicer mic, I need to use padevchooser to get that used instead of the internal mic.  What is the user-friendly direction for this?  padevchooser is fine for me, but not what I'd call friendly.
[20:20] <dtchen_> there isn't one; i'd file it using Debian BTS instead of Launchpad, honestly
[20:20] <dtchen_> NoelJB: why padevchooser instead of pavucontrol?
[20:20] <dtchen_> NoelJB: i.e., the latter is "less" deprecated than the former
[20:21] <dtchen_> (but really, it's a bug in gnome-media)
[20:23] <NoelJB> dtchen_, LOL "Less deprecated"  :-)  pavucontrol doesn't (appear to) let me choose the desired source for the app, devchooser does.
[20:23] <billybigrigger> dtchen_, you are dealing wtih audio, who is your partner in crime on the video side?
[20:24] <NoelJB> dtchen_, not being critical.  I can do what I need with these, but wondering if there are plans for better (or if I've missed something).  :-)
[20:24] <dtchen_> billybigrigger: x-swat, aka #ubuntu-x
[20:25] <dtchen_> NoelJB: the plan is "fix gnome-media"
[20:26] <NoelJB> dtchen_, x-swat would include libv4l?  that's the kind of video I think (from prior context) he meant.
[20:26] <dtchen_> i'm a bit stretched on resources, so i'm focusing on infrastructure atm
[20:26] <NoelJB> dtchen_, no worries.  :-)  make it work first, polish the UI later.
[20:27] <dtchen_> NoelJB: / billybigrigger: you can always ask in #ubuntu-x, though v4l is another split *space one like alsa that drives people batty
[20:28] <NoelJB> dtchen_, kind you, I am kind of curious ... I use gnome, but for giggles, installed a kubuntu VM to look at the current state, and it makes me wonder if KDE is going crash and burn because so much infrastructure is being tied to gnome.
[20:29] <dtchen_> NoelJB: doubtful. e.g., phonon is still configured to fall back to PA, not attempt it by default.
[20:29] <NoelJB> s/kind/mind/  :-)
[20:29] <dtchen_> i used the audio example there, but KDE is a different beast
[20:30] <NoelJB> I don't mean literally crash, I mean tail off because it seems that a lot of core work is being done with gnome, and I don't see the KDE companion work.
[20:31] <dtchen_> very doubtful.
[20:31] <vigo> NoelJB: KDE is well supported and is updated often, it is the default for many systems, BSD and such.
[20:32] <NoelJB> OK.  As I said, I just see a lot of infrastructure work being tied to gnome, and don't see the KDE equivs at the moment, so I was curious.  I know that KDE is very well supported and under development.
[20:33] <vigo> But that was kinda off-topic, I think the Totem is working now.
[20:33] <dtchen_> you just need to track KDE development as closely ;)
[20:33] <NoelJB> dtchen_, :)
[20:34] <BluesKaj> dtchen_, I've been meaning to ask : I have a C-Media CM18738 pci soundcard , but PA sound is choppy (like input clipping overload) , so I purged PA from my setup and now the is clean and smooth . Is this due to kernel module working better with alsa than PA does ?
[20:34] <vigo> PC-BSD has it listed on the PBI site.
[20:34] <vigo> KDE stuff
[20:34] <BluesKaj> err the sound is clean and smooth
[20:35] <dtchen_> BluesKaj: no, it sounds (no pun intended) like PA just doesn't have enough information from the driver and thus configured it poorly by default
[20:36] <dtchen_> BluesKaj: also, are you referring to capture or playback (or both) for the clipping?
[20:36] <BluesKaj> dtchen_, playback
[20:36] <dto> hi.
[20:36] <dto> i upgraded to Karmic, the new generic kernel works fine, but the new rt kernel that comes with karmic hangs for about 4 minutes just after loading wireless driver, then gets to the ubuntu X splash screen and shows a rotating flickering mouse cursor forever while we wait for the login screen that never comes. meanwhile a login works fine on one of the VTs.
[20:37] <dto> i am gathering data for a bug report. including output of lshw, cpuid, dmesg, what else>
[20:37] <dto> should i report it on Launchpad for linux-rt package?
[20:37] <BluesKaj> dtchen_, altho netstreaming clips worse than regular pc sourced playback
[20:37] <dtchen_> BluesKaj: ok, in the meantime [if you decide to reinstall PA] you can adjust volume= in [Element PCM] in /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/paths/analog-output.conf.common
[20:38] <vigo> dto: It would or could help, you will see the related bugs when you do report.
[20:38] <dtchen_> dto: "ubuntu-bug linux-rt" may be more efficient
[20:38] <dto> vigo: i've been looking through those bugs and found some similar symptoms, but no solutions.
[20:39] <BluesKaj> ok dtchen_ I'll give that a shot , altho i do keep my levels below 75% for the most part
[20:39] <dto> vigo: i'm hoping i can help get it working on this laptop.
[20:39] <dtchen_> dto: barring that, just use "ubuntu-bug linux", then manually change the bug report to affect linux-rt instead of linux
[20:39] <vigo> dto: dtchen_ is giving great info on that.
[20:40] <dto> there is no place to fill in any information. the promised "automatically opened web browser" did not open.
[20:40] <dto> i will use launchpad i guess.
[20:41] <vigo> dto: That is what I do.
[20:43] <dto> ok.
[20:52] <dto> i've reported it in launchpad, now i'm going to reboot into that kernel and try to capture the xorg and dmesg logs...
[20:56] <vigo> dto: Thank you.
[20:59] <Polt{laptop}> :D :D :D
[20:59] <Polt{laptop}> totem works
[20:59] <Polt{laptop}> thanks to the dev team for fixing that
[20:59] <Polt{laptop}> hehe
[21:00] <guntbert> before I refer someone - there is a guy in #ubuntu who has installed grub2 on jaunty and now he is in trouble - sensible to refer him here?
[21:01] <Polt{laptop}> I can give him the fix
[21:01] <Polt{laptop}> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7835683
[21:01] <Polt{laptop}> I did the same thing
[21:01] <Polt{laptop}> and it messed up my system where I couldn't boot so I reverted back to legacy grub
[21:02] <Polt{laptop}> works perfect for me now
[21:02] <NoelJB> BluesKaj, FWIW, some of the audio problems may be kernel issues (q.v., bug 424935).  Track that to upstream and review the comments people have been making.
[21:02] <NoelJB> such as audio and video glitching
[21:03] <Polt{laptop}> h
[21:03] <Polt{laptop}> yeah
[21:03] <Polt{laptop}> that is something I was about to say
[21:03] <Polt{laptop}> totem plays now but still can get lagged out
[21:03] <Polt{laptop}> they need an autorestart script for the sound server
[21:03] <vigo> Polt(laptop): Sweeeet!
[21:03] <NoelJB> I'm preparing to build a patched kernel to see if it addresses a nasty I/O Wait issue I consistently encounter.  But I really don't want to have to be maintaining a kernel.
[21:04] <Polt{laptop}> audio is getting alot better though
[21:05] <Polt{laptop}> if the sound server locks up for a certain duration of time they need a script that will restart it and calculate the amount of time needed to do that before it garbles
[21:05] <Polt{laptop}> like a passive restart or something... maybe another process ?
[21:05] <Polt{laptop}> I dunno just kind of an idea that came to me
[21:05] <NoelJB> Polt{laptop}, called a watchdog :-)
[21:06] <Polt{laptop}> would be like something that restarted the audio server before it would crash and could pick back up on the pid's process in the middle of a song or somewhere during a movie, etc and not lose its place
[21:12] <dto> yay, here we go. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-rt/+bug/425358
[21:15] <DanaG> high iowait sucks.
[21:16] <NoelJB> DanaG, I know.  :-)  You seeming any?  This looks interesting: http://www.latencytop.org/
[21:16] <DanaG> For me, ntfs-3g tends to be the most common cause.
[21:16] <NoelJB> I see high I/O wait when typing in Firefox.  Drives me nuts!
[21:16] <Polt{laptop}> ooh I wonder if this realtime kernel has the bugs worked out of it yet for compiz compatibility ?
[21:31] <guntbert> what is the idea behind the submenu "offline" in the "fast user switch applet"?
[21:31] <Polt{laptop}> i have another challenge for the audio dev team ... come up with a better Ubuntu sound theme
[21:31] <billybigrigger> i think it's for IM clients
[21:43] <guntbert> billybigrigger: aha .... thx
[21:43]  * guntbert wonders why they put that there...
[22:00] <Polt{laptop}> ok here is the next audio issue
[22:01] <Polt{laptop}> totem is almost able to play an entire song
[22:01] <Polt{laptop}> then it crashes near the very end
[22:01] <Polt{laptop}> whatever they did worked pretty well but it still needs a little tweaking
[22:01] <Polt{laptop}> almost there though
[22:10] <drs305> Speaking of audio. I lose my audio about once a day. Today '/etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart' isn't restoring it. Any other commands other than restarting?
[22:12] <billybigrigger> i have
[22:12] <billybigrigger> 'killall pulseaudio' bound to keyts ctrl-alt-P
[22:12] <billybigrigger> works everytime :P
[22:13] <drs305> Today is the first day it's failing me.   :-(
[22:17] <drs305> Well, five minutes after issuing the killall and init.d  restart commands audio resumes.  Go figure...
[22:22] <billybigrigger> drs305, you should only need the killall command
[22:22] <billybigrigger> it will re-spawn itself after being killed
[22:24] <drs305> billybigrigger: ok, I'll try that next time. I must have been impatient - I've been issuing both commands for the past several weeks.
[22:24] <billybigrigger> it takes only a few seconds on my machine, but its not instantaneous
[22:25] <billybigrigger> i just hit, ctrl-alt-p and watch the speaker in the tray, it will disappear and reappear and usually everything is all good
[22:25] <billybigrigger> maybe about 5 secs
[22:27] <drs305> billybigrigger: Well, I'm not THAT impatient! I'll give it at least 10 seconds the next time it happens.  ;-)
[22:27] <billybigrigger> just watch the speaker
[22:27] <billybigrigger> it takes about 5-6s to disappear
[22:28] <billybigrigger> when it re-appears you know PA's restarted
[22:58] <DanaG> Downloaded 915KB of 1....
[22:58] <DanaG> yeah, it gets cut off.  =þ
[23:10] <literal> Hi. Is there a minimal cd image available for karmic? Like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[23:12] <literal> Oh, never mind. There is, it's just not mentioned there. I changed the URL and found it.
[23:13] <Ntemis> hello
[23:13] <Ntemis> is upcoming ubuntu replace hal with udev?
[23:18] <bjsnider> replaces hal with devicekit
[23:19] <Ntemis> devicekit is from fedora?
[23:21] <arand> Ntemis: fedora was the first to use it, not sure how big their involvment in the development is...
[23:21] <Ntemis> what are the advantage of this? am curious
[23:22] <arand> Ntemis: non-monolithic
[23:22] <Ntemis> and means
[23:22] <bjsnider> udev and devicekit will replace hal and devfs in karmic
[23:22] <arand> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeviceKit
[23:24] <bjsnider> i think jaunty uses udev with hal, and karmic will replace that with devicekit
[23:27] <Ntemis> well after reading info i cant wait
[23:27] <Ntemis> maybe i will update to alpha
[23:46] <alteregoa> obey
[23:48] <sgh> Hi. What is happening with dosemu in karmic. It segfaults if running it as an ordinary user. Running it as root works fine though. mmap_min_addr is set to 0. Any ideas or can someone confirm this?
[23:49] <alteregoa> i use dosbox instead
[23:51] <alteregoa> i check it on my machine asap
[23:51] <arand> sgh: Confirmed.
[23:51] <sgh> arand: thank you.... I am on 64bit. How about you?
[23:53] <alteregoa> confirmed
[23:53] <arand> I get "LOWRAM mmap: Invalid argument" before segfault, thats in virtbox guest 32bit (host 64jaunty)
[23:53] <alteregoa> i get lowram nmap invalid ganjargusmoke
[23:53] <alteregoa> im native on 64bit karmic
[23:53] <sgh> arand: me too. I wonder if it is also present on 32bit host?
[23:54] <arand> alteregoa: ganjargusmoke? O_o
[23:54] <alteregoa> invalid argument
[23:54] <arand> sgh: I don't think it should not matter...
[23:55] <alteregoa> compile it from svn?
[23:55] <arand> Although 32/64 might affect memory mapping though, which seems to be the complaint... or maybe not.
[23:56] <sgh> arand: that was my concern but since root is actually able to run dosemu it is most likely not related to architecture.
[23:57] <sgh> hmm ... ubuntu-bug dosemu just sitting there doing nothing ...(
[23:59] <alteregoa> but root work
[23:59] <sgh> alteregoa: yes