[00:12] On other releases there was a Force Quit button in the Main Menu , should I just make one and see if it works? === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [00:26] anyone been able to restore evolution backup? === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [01:05] BUGabundo, hello [01:05] any more have this problem with apport? [01:05] or is only with me? [01:05] nops [01:05] I got it, and its working for me [01:05] I think , so far, its only you [01:06] DKcross: try a $ sudo dpkg --configure .a [01:06] what problem? [01:06] DKcross: try a $ sudo dpkg --configure -a [01:06] http://paste.ubuntu.com/265760/ [01:10] BUGabundo, now? [01:10] why not [01:10] Se encontraron errores al procesar: [01:10] apport [01:10] apport-gtk [01:11] and if i purge package? === ripps_ is now known as ripps [01:24] I am so angry at microsoft right now! http://is.gd/2VA7x [01:26] ubuntu may have hundreds of updates a month [01:26] in whose dreams? [01:27] can't really argue with the other point, since it's completely meaningless. [01:31] bjsnider: well there are hundreds of updates a month in alpha karmic, but nobody except linux-gurus should be using it anyway [01:32] right, obviously [01:33] There are probably an average of 20 updates a month for Jaunty, and they are clearely labeled Recommend, Important Security, and Optional... I'm not sure how much clear you can get [01:38] :S [01:38] i cant install apport [01:39] any more have this problem? [01:40] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/apport_1.8.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb: el subproceso script pre-removal nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 1 [01:52] i cant remove apport for reinstall [02:00] apport should already BE installed [02:01] yes i know billybigrigger [02:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/265760/ [02:05] english? :P [02:07] DKcross: can you pastebin the output of "sudo sh -x /etc/init.d/apport stop"? [02:09] billybigrigger, sorry [02:09] mpontillo, wait please [02:10] !paste [02:10] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [02:11] http://paste.ubuntu.com/265845/ [02:11] mpontillo, the message http://paste.ubuntu.com/265845/ [02:11] thanks; looking and comparing to mine [02:12] ok thanks [02:19] so I think I see the problem... "runlevel" is likely not in the path (the path does not include "/sbin")... just not sure what script is calling "runlevel"... it's a bit confusing from the "sh -x" output which script is calling it [02:20] DKcross: if you run "echo $PATH | tr ':' '\n' | grep sbin", does "/sbin" show up? [02:20] wait [02:21] oh man thanks [02:21] apport is ready [02:22] got it fixed then? no problem [02:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/splashy/+bug/333823/comments/1 [02:22] recap [02:22] Ubuntu bug 333823 in splashy "missing dependency to upstart-compat-sysv (dup-of: 369670)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:22] Ubuntu bug 369670 in splashy "[Jaunty] apport crashing with splashy installed" [Medium,In progress] [02:22] Recap: [02:22] sudo update-rc.d -f apport remove [02:25] ah gotcha, so upstart is not installed on your system so you don't have /sbin/runlevel. [02:27] :o [02:28] i dont know:S [02:28] really its problem for me, the diference between runlevel y upstart [02:29] I'm confused. there are a couple of parts to this... (1) 'runlevel' is part of 'upstart' on my system, so /sbin/runlevel is provided by 'upstart', (2) /sbin is in my PATH, and it looks like init scripts assume /sbin is in the path (or otherwise try to sanitize it first?) [02:30] so there are two possibilities: (1) you don't have 'upstart' - and I'm not sure if this is even possible, or (2) your $PATH is incorrect and /sbin/runlevel can't be found (and I'm not sure who is responsible for setting up the $PATH in init scripts) [02:31] ah ok [02:31] if you type "runlevel" at the prompt, does it print out the current runlevel? how about if you type "/sbin/runlevel"? [02:33] N2 [02:33] yes /sbin/runlevel = n2 [02:34] interesting. if you type it without the /sbin/ in front, does it work? [02:34] my Karmic system does not have "splashy" installed, so now I'm wondering how that changes things... [02:35] yes work [02:36] i have splashy [02:36] i install splashy but [02:36] i have problems:s [02:36] connection refused [02:37] now i know! the problem is because i removed xsplash and usplash [02:37] and install splashy [02:38] sorry man, my english isn't very well:\ [03:05] DKcross: no problem. I tried to fix the problem... do you want to test a version of 'splashy' from a PPA? I think I uploaded it, waiting for it to show up [03:06] :o [03:06] splashy doesn't work [03:07] DKcross: what do you mean? honestly I am not even running it, I just fixed the bug as described in the launchpad bug you described, and the linked forum posts [03:09] ohh:o [03:10] in ubutuforums? [03:11] yes. https://launchpad.net/~mpontillo/+archive/splashy should have the fix - that is, if you install this version of splashy, you should be able to remove "apport" (or whatever other package) without an issue [03:12] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1258329 [03:13] ahh didn't notice this bug; someone beat me to it ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/splashy/+bug/369670 [03:13] Ubuntu bug 369670 in splashy "[Jaunty] apport crashing with splashy installed" [Medium,In progress] [03:14] mpontillo, then your splashy work in your karmic? [03:14] that guy posted an identical patch, but it looks like none of the "universe" sponsors have approved it... [03:17] mpontillo, but now i can remove and upgrade my apport [03:17] i fix the problem with the other link [03:18] DKcross: okay. well I don't have splasy installed. but I made a comment on the bug I linked asking if the fix can go in Karmic [03:18] got to go feed the toddler now - afk [03:18] sudo update-rc.d -f apport remove [03:18] test the splashy:D [03:19] then i will add your repos to my source.list [03:19] and i will make update.. [03:19] then i will remove splashy [03:19] and install your version? [03:21] mpontillo, yes? === arvind__ is now known as arvind_khadri [03:48] mpontillo, i am trying with your package === arvind__ is now known as arvind_khadri [03:58] guys question.....i am trying to connect to a belking router and when i am conecting the router shows an amber light ...... other laptops can do it with no problems [04:10] hi, can i switch back to grub legacy? [04:17] guys question.....i am trying to connect to a belking router and when i am conecting the router shows an amber light ...... other laptops can do it with no problems [04:17] ...??? [04:51] Is the ubuntu one server down? [04:52] DKcross: yes, then we can verify that the new 'splashy' package does not cause errors with stopping 'apport', etc [04:55] mpontillo, are you there? [04:55] i'm installing splashy now [04:56] DKcross: hi, just tried to write you but didn't realize that you had left (my client hides joins/parts) [04:56] 2 of you are having problems with apport crashes? [04:56] DKcross: I wrote, "yes, then we can verify that the new 'splashy' package does not cause errors with stopping 'apport', etc" [04:56] yes, but have the same problem [04:57] conection refused [04:57] you know about this? [04:57] know about what? [04:58] /var/cache/apt/archives/splashy_0.3.13-5ubuntu1_amd64.deb [04:58] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [04:58] sweet [04:58] :) hehe [05:01] billybigrigger, no [05:01] "splashy error: conection refused [05:01] well i can't even get it installed [05:01] billybigrigger, mpontillo have package that dont have this problem [05:01] DKcross: not sure about the "connection refused" problem. I only tried to fix the "can't stop apport" problem. [05:02] https://launchpad.net/~mpontillo/+archive/splashy [05:04] billybigrigger, install this package https://launchpad.net/~mpontillo/+archive/splashy [05:04] nope [05:05] http://pastebin.ca/1555719 [05:06] damn, this splashy seems like a dangerous package ;) I wouldn't recommend installing it, if it wants to overwrite things in lsb-base ;) [05:08] DKcross: so, how did you get 'splashy' installed in the first place, anyway? [05:08] yeah, i don't think i'm going to tinker with it too much more :P [05:08] it will be forced down our throats soon enough [05:09] --force [05:09] hehe [05:11] dk@freehost:~$ sudo dpkg --force-overwrite --install splashy_0.3.13-5ubuntu1_i386.deb [05:11] why is splashy so important to you? [05:11] haha [05:11] this package is fubar'd [05:12] billybigrigger, isn't important [05:12] buy i'm trying, u know, only for test... [05:14] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-splashy so is this still going to happen for Karmic? I thought there was a UI freeze - dumb question: is "splashy" an exception? [05:16] what is UI freeze? [05:16] the guy who owns the spec doesn't have a ppa. was hoping maybe he had a beta version, or something [05:17] ohh [05:17] you are trying say, that the project is stoped? [05:18] "stopped [05:19] I'm not sure. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-August/000609.html this message indicates that only "bugs and polishing" are going to be done for Karmic. it seems like adding "splashy" would be considered larger than a bug fix and/or polishing [05:22] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-August/000606.html this message indicates that specs should be either "postponed" or "beta available" for Karmic. but the "splashy" spec is neither [05:22] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs?searchtext=splashy [05:23] so yeah I would make an educated guess that testing "splashy" is not going to be too useful to Karmic... but [05:23] *not sure if anyone knows otherwise. [05:28] hey I would purging totem maybe fix it in the new upgrade ? [05:28] like maybe if I purge it and reinstall it ? [05:33] mpontillo, thanks for all man! [05:42] DKcross: np [05:42] Polt{laptop}: you can try that, but it's not clear what you are trying to achieve? [05:57] has anyone found a fix for this error in karmic yet ? " pa_stream_writable_size() failed: Connection terminated" [05:58] totem keeps doing that [05:58] my other sound works for me [05:58] although I dunno about the sound effects [05:58] I will have to check that again [06:01] Polt{laptop}: there is a thread here where someone is reporting the same problem; the suggestion was to get some additional data and file a bug: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1232342&page=18 [06:03] Polt{laptop}: you can also try the latest pulseaudio ppa here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa [06:06] i think that karmic koala have more bugs that jaunty alpha5 for example [06:24] Jaunty was pretty smooth, but there were major breakages during development with Jaunty. Now that Karmic is in feature freeze, things will stabilize and get fixed. [06:42] man someone reaaaaaaly needs to fix the audio crackling [06:42] it wasn't doing that before [06:45] sometimes I think it can be fixed by just killing alsa [06:45] I think alsa and pulse are clashing [06:45] that is why sometimes it crackles [06:45] they are both having to get along together pretty much [06:46] and both are wanting to use the same resources probably [06:46] and because of that there is this battle between the two programs [06:46] something needs to be done to let one or the other take over control of sound [06:46] like a failsafe [06:46] and alsa should be the failsafe [06:47] and then pulse should be configured so that if alsa is using some part of memory that pulse acts more like a buffer zone or something with the rest the computer but also eventually code in compatibility for pulse to be like alsa but even more efficient on ram and to use less resources [06:47] I think that would be ideal [06:48] Polt{laptop}: you mean like this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Pulseaudio-diagram.svg ;) [06:49] for what it's worth, some peoples' workaround is to "sudo aptitude purge pulseaudio" - I'm keeping it installed to try to help with the test effort... [06:50] this looks like a latency issue [06:50] possibly since pulse is trying to juggle all of those things and probably listening for them [06:50] another function should be invokved or something that allows pulse to just drop something and put full focus on something else if need be [06:53] Polt{laptop}: if you want to make sure pulseaudio always gets enough CPU time, maybe try something like: sudo renice -20 $(pidof pulseaudio) [06:54] (I'm curious if that helps with your latency issues) [06:55] do I have to do that all the time ? [06:55] like every time I login ? [06:55] or should I write a temp script for it ? [06:55] like in the init scripts [06:55] Polt{laptop}: yes, it only takes effect for the current run of pulseaudio. just something to try for testing, not a permanent solution [06:56] the problem is, pulseaudio gets automatically spawned if it dies. so you'd have to hook into that process to "renice" it each time. could get ugly [06:58] it set the priority to 20 [06:59] 20 or -20? (negative values mean the process gets more CPU time.) I got: 7893: old priority 0, new priority -20 [07:01] nice [07:02] will this stay permanent ? [07:02] or do I have to set it each time ? [07:02] I set it to -20 [07:03] Polt{laptop}: did it help? again - yes, you would have to set it each time. [07:03] it seems now like it helped [07:03] I will not know for sure until a few moments [07:03] if it doesn't pop and click and garble then it works [07:04] it seems like it is working better [07:05] couldn't I set the audio priority to -100 [07:05] or would it go that far ? [07:05] that seems like it would be like 0 latency [07:05] it would give so much more processor time to the sound chipset that it might even be a good audio tweak for Studio 64 users [07:06] kind of to enhance a real time kernel [07:06] it seemed to make it more responsive [07:06] -20 is as low as you can go [07:06] that still isn't bad though [07:07] it almost lasted a whole song without messing up === Into_the_Pit is now known as Frickelpit [07:14] songs just don't last [07:14] they play about 3/4 through and then start clicking and popping and garbling [07:20] I just remembered I think this soundcard on this computer goes down to a certain millisecond latency [07:21] probably like 30 or something [07:21] like 30 ms [07:21] I think I got it down to 5 ms awhile back [07:21] I set the priority on 6 and it seems like it hasn't messed up yet [07:22] ok it finished a whole song at 6 [07:22] I gave it an extra second for stability reasons [07:22] well extra priority is what I am referring to [07:25] Polt{laptop}: keep in mind that the priorities are relative to all the other processes in your system. for example, if you have pulseaudio and totem competing for CPU usage, if totem runs too often then pulse might get starved and you'd hear the "clicking" (I assume) [07:26] so, the other thing you might try is to run totem at a lower priority (higher "nice" value) , so that pulse gets a chance to run more often [07:26] hit alt-f2 and run "gnome-system-monitor" and there should be a nice interface where you can adjust the priority of each process [07:27] g [07:28] *sorry for the typo, heh, the odd thing is I can't use alt-f2 on my system any more; it gives me an error. anyway, the point is, in gnome-system-monitor you can right click a process and set its priority [07:28] I still can't get totem to work [07:32] odd - totem works fine for me; in fact I think better than in Jaunty - I never had much luck without an nvidia gfx card though. [07:32] also - on the "nice" values, if you look in gnome-system-monitor you'll notice that all the default "nice" values are 0. that means if you run it at, say, 6, it's still getting less CPU than anything other process on the system [07:36] yeah [07:36] I set it to 15 [07:36] it seems to respond well still at 15 [07:36] and so far no crashes at 15 [07:37] totem is the only thing that just won't run [07:37] it will not play anything [07:37] but, if it's at 15 and everything else is at 0, that means it's not an issue with CPU time, because all the other processes are higher priority - right? [07:40] hi all [07:40] well possibly the sound card just has latency [07:40] i'm having a problem with skype and the audio capture on my dell xps m1530 [07:41] its really quiet, almost inaudible [07:43] anyone here at all? [07:49] zer01: sadly, no one with the cure-all for everyone's sound problems, it seems. you could try the PPA here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa [07:49] i configured something wrong and now have Multi_key instead of R_Alt. Any help? [07:50] mahfiaz: System > Preferences > Keyboard, "Layouts" tab - did you try the "Reset to Defaults" button? [07:51] mpontillo: thanks heaps! [07:52] mpontillo, thanks [07:52] np * 2 [08:42] zeta reticuli [08:43] I recently updated to Karmic and now VLC does not diable the screensaver while playing videos. Anyone know a fix? [08:44] yeah disable the screensaver its worthless [08:44] I have kids, the computer is in the living room and I don't like the3m mashing the keyboard when I am not there. [08:44] So that is not really an option. [08:45] lol [08:45] disable the screensaver? [08:45] whatever the fnord said: baru harmaudu [08:45] you know, when you are playing a video the screensavfer will not turn on. [08:46] yes.. just disable the screensaver competely. [08:46] ...while the movie is playing... [08:47] disable the screensaver totally, competely. using the screensaver settings. :) [08:47] well that is ok for me but why doesn't VLC do it for me? Surely it is anoying to have to do it manually? [08:47] never noticed.. havent tried.. havenet heard of anyone else with the issue [08:47] Or do you know a CLI method to enable, disable screensaver? [08:47] file a bug report. thats whats alpha testing is all about. [08:48] okok. I'll file a bug. [08:48] can i, install plymouth on karmic koala? [08:50] !info plymouth [08:50] Package plymouth does not exist in karmic [08:51] https://launchpad.net/~plymouth-dev/+archive/ppa [08:52] do they have karnic packages in that ppa repo? [08:52] add the repos like they say.. and see if they do i guess... [08:52] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/plymouth-dev/ppa/ubuntu YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main [08:54] Dr_Willis, yes [08:55] i have the repos,now [09:13] alex: compile vlc with svn [09:14] nice to see a new vlc version in 9.10 :) now everyone will be happy the video is back embeded in the main window [09:17] no sound when playing youtube in firefox after the last updates of PulseAudio [09:17] Hmm.. havent noticed.. let me check [09:19] hi what is the path for the configuration file for grub2? [09:20] menu.lst? [09:20] _/boot/grub [09:22] there is no such file [09:22] SoftVision, called grub.cfg [09:23] durt: thanks, got it. [09:23] grub 2 has its own config files that you SHOULD edit.. and some you DONT edit [09:23] strangely it didnt detect windows for me [09:23] /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d are where teh ones you want to edit are [09:24] you do NOT want to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg [09:25] that might be why grub.cfg reverts to default every time the package is upgraded :) [09:25] durt: yes... you are missing a BIG warning about grub2 :) [09:25] grub2 basics http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 [09:25] what do I want to edit then? [09:26] oh ok [09:26] * Dr_Willis looks up. :) [09:26] in grub.cfg --> # [09:26] # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE [09:26] :) [09:26] got it. [09:26] thanks, actually spent alot of time a few days ago looking for good grub2 docs. [09:26] theres the grub2 docs.. then thres configuring grub2 in ubuntu :) === r0bby_ is now known as r0bby [09:27] im not sure if the use of the /etc/default/grub stuff is ubuntu speciric or not [09:27] this doesnt make sense [09:27] /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d dont look anything like menu.lst [09:27] The files in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d are read/parsed to generate the proper grub.cfg [09:27] so how am I supposed to add another operating system? [09:27] its not a menu.lst they are actually scripts [09:27] From reading the README file it says.......... [09:28] cat /etc/grub.d/README [09:28] For example, you can add an entry to boot another OS as [09:28] gorgs work great [09:28] 01_otheros, 11_otheros, [09:29] I got a windows vista entry in the '30_otheros' file.. [09:29] pastebinit 30_otheros [09:29] I don't get it. Do I have to make a file in /etc/grub.d called 01_windows? [09:29] http://pastebin.com/f62b7d641 [09:29] the readme says use 11+ for those OTHER os enetries. [09:29] not 01 [09:30] The files are parsed in order to gerneate the grub.cfg [09:30] I have windows xp on root(1,1) [09:30] so edit the example i pasted.. [09:31] what do I name the file? [09:32] 11_windows will do right? [09:32] mine is called 30_otheros [09:32] that puts it at the end of the grub menus [09:33] and from what i am reading at the docs.. [09:33] When "update-grub" or "update-grub2" is executed, Grub 2 will search for linux kernels and other Operating Systems. What and where is looks is based on the files contained in /etc/grub.d folder. [09:33] * 10_linux searches for installed linux kernels. [09:33] * 30_os-prober searches for other Operating Systems. [09:34] that 30_os-prober is spposed to find/auto add other os;s from what i gather. [09:34] ok so 30_windows should directly put it at the bottom right? [09:35] if you just run 'sudo update-grub2' thenit might auto-see/add your windows os [09:35] the fact its on hd1,1 might be confuseing it. [09:36] yeah it found it [09:36] so all you had to do was run 'update-grub' :) [09:36] lol yeah [09:37] thanks a lot Dr_Willis. :-) [09:37] cya. [09:40] Time to make a new alis to point people to the grub2 basics page. [09:40] *** Grub2 Basics (YES go read it!) --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 [10:00] to all those using ubuntu 9.10\ [10:00] can you send/ receive files via bluetooth to any device? [10:01] using the gnome-bluetooth which is installed by default out of the box === arvind__ is now known as arvind_khadri [10:16] does the kubuntu alpha 5 make a good impression? [10:17] Hmm [10:17] Kubuntu works decently well here [10:17] If you like kde :) [10:17] Im so used to gnome - i find parts of it.. odd. [10:18] gnome is too, yes, old and lame :) [10:18] kde 4.3 looks good, but i wasn't really happy with kde&ubuntu in the past... [10:18] let's try it.. [10:19] kubuntu got some tweaking/loving this time around it seems [10:19] http://www.osnews.com/story/22113/Kubuntu_Gets_Some_Love [10:20] and i heard there were problems with ext4 and kde because of some files which are always rewritten [10:21] is this bug or other ext4 bug solved? [10:28] has the bootscreen changed at all after that initial change in alpha 4/5 [10:28] that one doesn't look so good imho jaunty was better [10:28] though the mockups are so good [10:28] wonder when thye will implement that [11:08] any body installed 9.10 had issue with floppy drives running all the time??? [11:14] i'm a paranoid spangloid [11:14] my dual 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 do not run all the time builder [11:16] can anyone in here tell me how to edit /debian/rules for the ffmpeg-sources to build with support for non-free codecs? [11:17] where do I put the option I want to configure it with? there's a file called conffile or something like that, that contains a lot of options, but where do I put the stuff I want in it? [11:26] polter i just added the svn [11:27] now i can play almost anythin with ffmpeg [11:27] well. I want to build a deb-package, so I thought I would just apt-get source it, edit the build rules, then manage it through apt [11:28] and apparently the source file is broken because I get errors the stem from the original rules [11:28] http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/FFmpeg/Kompilieren [11:29] sorry I don't know german [11:29] but hey, I'll try the instructions anyway [11:30] maybe its english if you google it [11:31] it's ok.. I can probably work out what it say.. german and swedish aren't so different [11:31] eller eek sprek irclish [11:32] ok now I totally don't know what you're saying :) [11:32] me too [11:32] vi är alla gothons [11:34] yeah i have to watch the new wiki movie [11:46] hello! anyone using GAJIM? [11:46] I can't hear any sound from gajim, anyone having similar bug? [11:50] gajim? [11:50] wtf is gajim? [11:50] an IM client [11:50] Michalxo: check its output [11:51] make sure its using Pulse Audio [11:51] and (install) and open PavuControl [11:51] to see if gajim is outputing anything [11:51] hasn't karmic already got pavucontorl? [11:51] that default one? [11:55] ah?? [11:55] don't think so [11:56] no, it's different a bit.. [11:56] don't see any error concerning PA in gajim :-/ [11:57] I think it used to use aplay -l for playing, but now there;s nothing ;_/ [11:57] if its using aplay then it's a bug [11:57] it should be using system sound server [11:58] in this case PA [11:59] ok, thanks :) [12:00] isn't "./configure --prefix=/home/$USER/ffmpeg" supposed to work? it tells me the folder doesn't exist, which it does [12:00] I can't seem to figure it ouy [12:00] out [12:00] BUGabundo: know anthing about the grub 2 recent bug [12:01] robin0800: only what I've read here [12:01] polter: try sudo [12:01]