| myownserver | What's the correct way to set up permissions for an apache server on Ubuntu for a PHP app to access and modify files? | 07:31 |
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| rugby471 | hi guys | 08:45 |
| rugby471 | I was wondering if there are any objections to this bug | 08:45 |
| rugby471 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387696 | 08:45 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 387696 in hundredpapercuts "Missing thumnails on OpenDocument files - add libgsf-gnome to default install?" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:45 |
| rugby471 | otherwise I am going to try and get it in the LiveCD | 08:46 |
| rugby471 | basically it just needs for libgsf-bin to be installed on the LiveCD | 08:46 |
| rugby471 | (all it's dependencies are already installed) | 08:46 |
| rugby471 | and we get thumbnails for the opendocument format | 08:46 |
| mac_v | rugby471: Bug 82724 how is the progress? | 09:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 82724 in hundredpapercuts "Cannot install fonts using method described in help" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82724 | 09:13 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: the bug says it is going to be fixed in gnome 2.28 | 09:14 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: so there is no point leaving it in the list of not taken bugs | 09:14 |
| mac_v | rugby471: yeah , that was what i was asking , are you fixing it as its going to be done in gnome 2.28 | 09:14 |
| rugby471 | mac_v: no I am not | 09:15 |
| mac_v | hehe got it ;p | 09:15 |
| rugby471 | :-) | 09:15 |
| rugby471 | sorry if I keep making a nuisance, I shall stop now :-) | 09:15 |
| mac_v | rugby471: no probs , just wanted to confirm no harm done :) | 09:16 |
| mac_v | rugby471: just got too busy with humanity/bugs, wasnt triaging papercuts ;p | 09:16 |
| rugby471 | hehe | 09:16 |
| mac_v | rugby471: remind me when mpt pops in :) | 09:19 |
| rugby471 | sure | 09:19 |
| tgpraveen | can you send/ receive files via bluetooth to any device? on 9.10 | 10:02 |
| tgpraveen | using the gnome-bluetooth which is installed by default out of the box | 10:02 |
| tgpraveen | \in jaunty it was not possible | 10:02 |
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| dzibo | hello | 19:17 |
| dzibo | can someone help me with | 19:17 |
| dzibo | x serever | 19:17 |
| dzibo | to start | 19:17 |
| chrisccoulson | dzibo - you want #ubuntu for support | 19:20 |
| dzibo | yes i tried but there are so many people | 19:20 |
| dzibo | i am writing but they are already trying to resolve some other problems | 19:21 |
| dzibo | and they may have no time to answer i dont know | 19:21 |
| mac_v | !topic > dzibo | 19:21 |
| ubottu | dzibo, please see my private message | 19:21 |
| mac_v | dzibo: also #ubuntu-x is for xorg problems | 19:22 |
| dzibo | thanx | 19:22 |
| dobey | johanbr: hrmm. I wonder if it's just compiled bad on 32-bit then. The installer from java.com doens't work for me either... | 21:15 |
| johanbr | I guess that's possible, but you'd think that would affect more people | 21:17 |
| johanbr | it used to be the other way around, that there were problems with the plugin on 64-bit | 21:17 |
| dobey | it probably doesn't seem like effects a lot of people, because not many sites use java in the browser any more | 21:18 |
| dobey | but it sucks that i have to boot into windows to use java in the browser... | 21:20 |
| dobey | sort of kills the whole cross-platform marketing | 21:20 |
| Ng | the gtk menu icon dropping change is an upstream thing, right? | 22:04 |
| chrisccoulson | Ng - yes | 22:07 |
| Ng | cool, I'll stop using gtk.ImageMenuItem() then :) | 22:07 |
| dobey | noooooo | 22:08 |
| dobey | Ng: that's not how it works | 22:08 |
| chrisccoulson | Ng - people can still switch them back on ;) | 22:08 |
| chrisccoulson | so you should carry on as normal AFAICT | 22:08 |
| dobey | upstream is just going through a period of fascist insanity :) | 22:09 |
| Ng | haha | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | dobey - i take it you don't like the decision ;) | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | i quite like the icon-less menu's, but icon-less buttons look truly hideous | 22:10 |
| dobey | chrisccoulson: no i don't like the 'decision' | 22:10 |
| dobey | which wasn't really a decision so much | 22:10 |
| dobey | it's like "some apps are broken, so let's just disable icons in all apps by default!" | 22:10 |
| Ng | hrm, I thought it was a usability driven decision | 22:11 |
| dobey | it's like using a 3 M-ton nuke to kill a mosquito swarm in the desert | 22:11 |
| dobey | Ng: no no | 22:11 |
| dobey | Ng: it was a "a couple artists decided to do it, since the app developers don't listen to them" sort of thing | 22:12 |
| Ng | hmm | 22:13 |
| MDC1 | ohh! great - icon talk, i just have to toss some wood to the fire; why oh why did "we" remove the icons from the gnome-panel menu? | 22:13 |
| MDC1 | it's great we're having a guide to help us deciding when to have icons and when to not - but i think that guide has to have a few exceptions | 22:14 |
| dobey | MDC1: we didn't. upstream did | 22:14 |
| dobey | what guide are you talking about? | 22:15 |
| MDC1 | i think it was mpt "guide" (actuallt a blogpost stating when we should use icons and when not) | 22:16 |
| mac_v | dobey: but still we cant revert it right? its not too difficult a fix | 22:16 |
| chrisccoulson | MDC1 - i think those icons are coming back aren't they? | 22:16 |
| chrisccoulson | there's a bug report on b.g.o somewhere i think | 22:16 |
| MDC1 | they are? | 22:16 |
| chrisccoulson | i think so | 22:16 |
| mac_v | can* | 22:17 |
| MDC1 | chrisccoulson, the last bug i saw (and commented) was closed as fixed.. let me find it.. | 22:17 |
| dobey | mac_v: it's a theme thing | 22:17 |
| dobey | MDC1: blog posts aren't guides. | 22:17 |
| MDC1 | dobey, i know - but it seems that it is what people are using as reference.. | 22:18 |
| MDC1 | chrisccoulson, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322932 | 22:18 |
| mac_v | dobey: no, i meant we could revert this setting > Bug #407621 | 22:18 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 322932 in Panel "Always show icons on panel menus" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 22:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 407621 in libgnome "(design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407621 | 22:18 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmmmm | 22:19 |
| dobey | mac_v: it's a gconf key, which gnome-settings-daemon exports as a GtkSetting on the screen. you can change it on a theme-by-theme basis, although I think the gnome-settings-daemon thing overrides it | 22:19 |
| MDC1 | dobey, that's another thing - i'm just talking about the gnome "main" menu - it looks really stupid with just some icons and menu items double the height of a normal menu | 22:19 |
| chrisccoulson | vuntz may know if those icons might come back or not | 22:20 |
| dobey | MDC1: i don't know what you're talking about | 22:20 |
| mac_v | dobey: yeah , i know what it is and can revert it but for a lot it seems like a bug | 22:20 |
| dobey | all i know is icons are off by default in a lot of places upstream, because of some silly decisions | 22:20 |
| mac_v | +1^ | 22:21 |
| dobey | mac_v: well yes, it's a rather horrible way to try and fix things | 22:21 |
| * dobey would rather people make stuff work first | 22:21 | |
| MDC1 | dobey, i can understand the decision and mostly respect it BUT not in the case of the gnome panel menu | 22:21 |
| MDC1 | chrisccoulson, did you have another bug about the gnome menu icons? | 22:23 |
| chrisccoulson | MDC1 - no, that was the one i was thinking of | 22:23 |
| andreasn | dobey, didn't we try to get people to reduce icon usage for like 5 years straight now, and that approach didn't really work | 22:23 |
| MDC1 | chrisccoulson, so we're screwed? | 22:23 |
| andreasn | apparenly this one did, and no bombs in my post box yet! | 22:23 |
| chrisccoulson | MDC1 - i don't know, i'm not really in a position to answer that ;) | 22:24 |
| MDC1 | chrisccoulson, who should i ask? | 22:24 |
| dobey | andreasn: uhm, this didn't fix the problem | 22:24 |
| MDC1 | chrisccoulson, http://www.mejlamej.nu/broken.png <-- don't tell me this doesn't look broken?! | 22:25 |
| chrisccoulson | MDC1 - see my earlier comment about who might know about this. he will probably see the scrollback at some point and then you might get an answer^^^ | 22:25 |
| MDC1 | chrisccoulson, vuntz? mpt? | 22:26 |
| chrisccoulson | MDC1 - i'm not disagreeing that it looks broken now, and i hope it will change | 22:26 |
| mac_v | andreasn: why not try to reduce the icons in gnome | 22:26 |
| chrisccoulson | MDC1 - yes | 22:26 |
| MDC1 | chrisccoulson, great - someone understand me :-) | 22:26 |
| dobey | hrmm, i would totally paste a link to a clip from The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, which is totally appropriate and describes exactly how this icon 'fix' works, but i can't find the clip on youtube :( | 22:26 |
| mac_v | andreasn: then people will use less | 22:26 |
| dobey | mac_v: we've done that | 22:27 |
| dobey | mac_v: and then we just end up with distributors putting more crap in their own themes anyway | 22:27 |
| andreasn | compared to how it was 4 years ago, there are like 300 less icons in there | 22:27 |
| mac_v | i dont think we have done enough | 22:27 |
| mac_v | dobey: i mean reduce this list > http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html#guidelines | 22:28 |
| dobey | mac_v: are you kidding? | 22:28 |
| andreasn | it might also be partly a design philosophy thing, I tend to get the reaction that "the more the merrier" from certain app developers | 22:28 |
| mac_v | if we are not going to show the icons for half of those why have them? | 22:28 |
| andreasn | and well, the opposite isn't better either | 22:28 |
| dobey | andreasn: yes, well app developers are like kids in a candy store | 22:29 |
| dobey | andreasn: give them a gumdrop and they want the whole damn store | 22:29 |
| dobey | andreasn: the current 2.27 is just as bad as having too many icons | 22:29 |
| dobey | now we don't have enough by default | 22:29 |
| * mac_v has no objections to having as many icons as possible ;p | 22:30 | |
| andreasn | I like the clean feeling, but I guess I'm kind of crazy when it comes to that :) I tend to prefer minimalistic stuff | 22:32 |
| dobey | my desktop was clean before | 22:33 |
| mac_v | lol^ | 22:33 |
| dobey | now it's clean and harder for me to find stuff | 22:33 |
| mac_v | andreasn: if the main goal is to *not* show all the icons in the guidelines? why are they in the guidelines? why not just remove the ones which are decided to not be used? | 22:34 |
| mac_v | its like a strip tease! | 22:35 |
| dobey | mac_v: what are you talking about? | 22:35 |
| mac_v | dobey: the gconf setting | 22:35 |
| dobey | no, what guidelines are you talking about? | 22:35 |
| mac_v | http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html#guidelines | 22:35 |
| dobey | you are confused about what that is :) | 22:36 |
| mac_v | hmm... :( | 22:36 |
| andreasn | the idea was bounced around a bit, and mpt suggested it at some point, but we ended up doing it that way | 22:36 |
| dobey | the icon naming spec does not provide guidelines for the user interface | 22:36 |
| andreasn | mac_v, I guess we could do it for the next release, if someone patches every single application | 22:36 |
| dobey | sigh | 22:37 |
| andreasn | the patch will be pretty quick, the discussion(s) for including it would go on for maybe 2-3 years | 22:37 |
| andreasn | :) | 22:37 |
| mac_v | ;p | 22:37 |
| andreasn | mac_v, you mean the bug report about the gnome hig addition? | 22:37 |
| mac_v | i didnt understand? which bug? | 22:38 |
| andreasn | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588668 ? | 22:40 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 588668 in General "Guideline on appropriate usage of icons in menu" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 22:40 |
| mac_v | dobey: oh.. that i understood , that those are the guidelines. but what i'm saying is the UI should have been driven to update the list | 22:40 |
| dobey | mac_v: the problem is that gnome, kde, and xfce all think they need different sets of icons, and need to display them in different ways | 22:41 |
| mac_v | ah! | 22:41 |
| dobey | mac_v: nobody wants to agree with anyone | 22:41 |
| mac_v | ;) | 22:41 |
| dobey | mac_v: otherwise we'd have sane HIG that works for all the desktops | 22:41 |
| dobey | and everything would work nicely together | 22:41 |
| dobey | but alas | 22:41 |
| dobey | we are open source, and everyone has to do it their own way, because obviously it's better | 22:41 |
| mac_v | andreasn: oh this bug ... i remember , but nothing seems to have moved forward :( | 22:43 |
| * mac_v for now has icons set to TRUE , until a sane decision is made | 22:44 | |
| andreasn | why did I ever get involved in this bug? I want to work on bugs that noone cares about :/ | 22:46 |
| dobey | andreasn: people care about icons. get used to it :) | 22:47 |
| andreasn | maybe I should become a Bar Pianist | 22:47 |
| andreasn | playing the piano to drunk people, I think I would like that | 22:48 |
| andreasn | anyway, it might have been a crazy thing to do, but I kind of like that we do stupid, crazy things sometimes, because the opposite would be really bad | 22:50 |
| andreasn | not doing anything at all | 22:50 |
| dobey | wouldn't the opposite be doing non-stupid crazy things? :) | 22:50 |
| mac_v | chrisccoulson: hehe we had a mid air collision ;) | 22:53 |
| dobey | i really wish java worked right on karmic | 22:53 |
| mac_v | andreasn: i'v seen a bar pianist get hit on the head with a bottle ;p | 22:57 |
| andreasn | really? sounds fun :) | 22:57 |
| mac_v | andreasn: he kept planning some song which reminded the guy of an old girlfriend ! | 22:58 |
| andreasn | heh | 22:58 |
| dobey | but whatever | 22:59 |
| dobey | later | 22:59 |
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