[00:16] <Lutin> ScottK: you'll need to ACK the sync request for edje too, otherwise we still have a rdep on libeina-svn-01
[00:16] <ScottK> Lutin: I did that one too.
[00:17] <ScottK> Lutin: I guess I missed the bug when I was looking through the list.
[00:17] <ScottK> It's in binary New right now.
[00:20] <Lutin> ScottK: great, thanks
[06:48] <pabs3> anyone know who to contact about the webserver on packages.ubuntu.com being down?
[07:49] <YokoZar> What's the name of the new volume applet?  I want to report a bug on it
[07:53] <hyperair>  gnome-volume-control-applet, if i'm not mistaken
[07:53] <hyperair> wait lemme dpkg -S it
[07:53] <hyperair> package is gnome-media
[07:53] <YokoZar> hyperair: thanks
[10:50] <YokoZar> ArneGoetje: I have a package that went from producing a .ttf to a .otf on a minor version upgrade.  Is this due to a build tool changing or the package itself?  I was originally going to just drop teh .ttf and link to our system-provided one, but now it's a .otf and I'm not sure
[12:11] <cumulus007> Hi, I'm wondering if it's possible to translate the text shown in the slideshow during the installation of Ubuntu 9.10
[12:13] <cumulus007> I found a bug about this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/425008
[12:14] <cumulus007> never mind, I found the solution :)
[14:39] <ArneGoetje> YokoZar: whether it's .ttf or .otf doesn't matter that much. TTF is a subset of OTF. fontforge can handle both formats. In fact, most modern .ttf fonts are actually OTF fonts if they use the GSUB or GPOS tables. However, the filename extension doesn't matter. Maybe the .ttf has been renamed to .otf to make clear that the .ttf is actually a OTF. :) Whatever, it's still the same font.
[18:06] <Stenudd> Hello, having problem open the QT Designer file(.ui) for the gnome-panel clock applet, running ubuntu 9.04 and installed QT 4 Designer. It says it's not a valid file..
[18:07] <Stenudd> Someone know anything about this?
[18:13] <Stenudd> Invalid ui file: The root element is missing.
[18:23] <hyperair> Stenudd: it's not a qt designer file.
[18:23] <hyperair> Stenudd: it's a gtkbuilder file.
[18:23] <hyperair> Stenudd: you open it in glade-3
[18:23] <Stenudd> hyperair, Thank you :)
[18:25] <Stenudd> hyperair, I'll try that, i thought it was strange it be in QT Designer, 2.24 files was in glade with the extension .glade
[18:28] <hyperair> Stenudd: well glade is deprecated, and gnome things will never use qt.
[18:30] <Stenudd> ^^
[18:31] <hyperair> well at least not without lots of flames and developers jumping ship
[19:30] <Turl> fta: hi, may I PM you?
[21:00] <Ryan52> asac: okay, I'll fix it the easy way I guess, just so that it's fixed for now.
[21:15] <TomaszD> hello Ubuntu devs, it's that time of the year again. I've been doing this for the past 4 years and I'll probably keep doing this until someone fixes this once and for all, but it would seem that Ubuntu-specific applications have translation problems, again. update-manager has an incomplete translation template, as well as gnome-app-install. computer-janitor basically doesn't have a translation template as the interface is all new, but no new tem
[21:15] <TomaszD> plate, the new "Logic" submenu in Games is left untranslatable, the "ibus" package is in main, but there is no translation template available...
[21:15] <TomaszD> and this is just from a few moments of test driving it
[21:16] <TomaszD> I have reported these issues
[21:17] <TomaszD> but I'm trying to bring a general issue to light, and it's that not many people care too much about whether we have translatable apps or not.
[21:18] <TomaszD> in a unique twist of irony, the language-selector app does not make use of any translations, despite being fully translated in launchpad, I forgot about this thing
[21:24] <slangasek> TomaszD: missing translation templates should generally be reported as bugs against the packages in question
[21:24] <TomaszD> slangasek, I have done so already
[21:26] <slangasek> ok
[21:26] <slangasek> hmm, seems update-manager has quite a large set of bugs, no wonder that one hasn't been addressed :/
[21:26] <TomaszD> what I'm trying to point out is the lack of some sort of mechanism, a procedure that would prevent this from happening
[21:27] <slangasek> no such mechanism is possible in the general case
[21:27] <TomaszD> well, at least when a new package enters main, make sure you have the template in launchpad, something like that is possible
[21:27] <TomaszD> otherwise I do understand how all this works
[21:27] <slangasek> update-manager has a template, the problem is a bug in not getting the .pot properly regenerated
[21:28] <TomaszD> I am aware of that, only a part of the UI is available for translation
[21:28] <slangasek> computer-janitor confuses me, I'll have to look at that - I do remember it having i18n support
[21:28] <TomaszD> yes, it did have that support
[21:29] <TomaszD> now there's just a template in lp from the previous version
[21:30] <TomaszD> there should be a person or two assigned for strictly this, get ubuntu devel once in a while, check all installed applications for translation problems, report to the authors in question instead of going through the bug channel which is like drinking from the firehose, often people forget about these issues
[21:31] <slangasek> the bug channel is the correct way to report it to the authors
[21:32] <TomaszD> before every release I come here crying and begging to fix my reported bugs about the templates, without this it's usually too late, there are always more important problems to fix
[21:32] <slangasek> TomaszD: do you know David Planella?
[21:33] <TomaszD> slangasek, no.
[21:33] <slangasek> he's the Ubuntu Translations Coordinator; I think he might be a useful contact for you to have in escalating these issues
[21:33] <slangasek> https://launchpad.net/~dpm
[21:33] <TomaszD> yeah, I just found him
[21:35] <TomaszD> ah, a fellow GNOME translator, there's always an overlap
[22:12] <pvl1> hi everyone, im new to linux development, and I wanted to know how can I access something like Microsofts virtual keys using C++? i want to be able to read keyboard input
[22:14] <Turl> pvl1: have you tried std::cin ?
[22:14] <pvl1> nope, but i thought that std only returns chars?
[22:14] <Turl> it reads from the keyboard
[22:15] <Turl> http://augustcouncil.com/~tgibson/tutorial/iotips.html
[22:16] <pvl1> hm, i guess ill try that, but also, idk if its the same include scheme in linux as in XP. for example if i want to include the std, id do #include<iostream>, but idk if the path environment variable is set
[22:17] <slangasek> it doesn't "read from the keyboard", it reads the standard input; but this is not a channel for Linux development questions
[22:18] <pvl1> well i specifically plan to use ubuntu, so i thought it was an ubuntu specific question
[22:19] <pvl1> should i go to a linux devel chat?
[22:19] <Turl> slangasek: I'm no c++ guru :P
[22:19] <Turl> pvl1: you might try a C channel
[22:19] <Turl> c++, sorry
[22:19] <pvl1> hm, ill go look for one, thank you tho, ill stilll look into std cin tho
[22:20] <Turl> pvl1: #c++
[22:26] <pvl1> thnx
[22:42] <TomaszD> slangasek, while you're on a roll, you could also check out usb-creator, which has been broken for a while now as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/419069
[22:48] <nick125> Good afternoon. Would this be the appropriate place for someone looking to help out with Ubuntu development? I'm trying to find a place where I can help out.
[22:49] <lifeless> hi
[22:49] <lifeless> yes, or #ubuntu-motu
[22:49] <lifeless> what sort of things do you want to do?
[22:50] <nick125> Perhaps work on some Ubuntu applications, preferably written in Python/PyGTK.
[22:50] <lifeless> most applications we ship are written by upstreams - projects like Gnome, KDE and so on
[22:51] <lifeless> if you want to improve those applications, thats cool - but the best forum to do that in is the upstream project itself
[22:51] <mahfiaz> is it possible to manage launchpad translations oldfashioned way using svn?
[23:11] <nick125> lifeless: I was thinking of applications that don't necessarly have an upstream.
[23:12] <lifeless> mahfiaz: thats more a question for #launchpad
[23:13] <lifeless> nick125: uhm, I'm not really aware of any
[23:13] <mahfiaz> lifeless, thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try
[23:22] <nick125> lifeless: Ah well. I guess I should find an upstream that needs help...do you know of any?
[23:25] <lifeless> many :)
[23:25] <lifeless> probably best to pick something you have an interest in or use yourself
[23:26] <nick125> I just have plenty of freetime and I need to get back into software development, so I'm pretty open :)
[23:28] <mahfiaz> nick125, is there a specific range, where you feel yourself confident, like networking/user interfaces/kernel code/something else?
[23:28] <nick125> mahfiaz: I'd probably go higher-level, so probably UIs. I'm most experienced in Python, but I'm willing to learn.
[23:32] <mahfiaz> nick125, do you use ubuntu for your regular computing?
[23:33] <nick125> Yes, I do.
[23:33] <mahfiaz> and you haven't yourself stumbled on something you don't like?
[23:34] <mahfiaz> I am no system programmer, but I quite frequently file bug reports about missing or misbehaving features on programs
[23:36] <nick125> mahfiaz: I haven't found that much I haven't liked....perhaps I'm just used to things acting weirdly :)
[23:39] <mahfiaz> for example, pidgin has a nice plugin called "integration with evolution", which syncs IM contacts to evolution contacts, but ends up with several contacts in evolution, if contact's name isn't its address
[23:40] <mahfiaz> also, in evolution there is no easy "merge contacts" button
[23:40] <mahfiaz> there is no such button at all
[23:42] <mahfiaz> totem's handling of streams and other web content is a pain, it is unbearable at best
[23:43] <mahfiaz> rhythmbox crashes every time it has to play wma, when crossfading is enabled
[23:43] <mahfiaz> and on several other occassions too
[23:45] <mahfiaz> gtk is damn slow, when it has to show list of > 1000 elements, like it happens in rhythmbox jamendo view or just with enormous collection
[23:46] <mahfiaz> ubuntu's language support dialog exits without a notice, when dpkg is locked
[23:48] <TheMuso> mahfiaz: Have you considered filing bugs for these issues you have found?
[23:48] <mahfiaz> I have filed some
[23:49] <mahfiaz> this was not moaning, just to give nick125 some ideas :)
[23:49] <nick125> Hmm....have you filed a bug for the language support dialog? I can probably take a crack at that one :)
[23:49] <mahfiaz> no, I haven't
[23:50] <mahfiaz> I'll post a link back here soon, wait a second
[23:54] <mahfiaz> nick125, I checked it, it works now
[23:54] <mahfiaz> gives a nice error message
[23:56] <Turl> what's IBus, might I ask?
[23:57] <mahfiaz> it says about itself: IBus input method framework
[23:59] <mahfiaz> nick125, I think this was a false positive about the gnome-language-selector, this may have been caused by a upgrade of libc6 or something else,
[23:59] <nick125> Ah, quite possible.