[03:29] <williammanda> tgm4883 you awake?
[03:31] <williammanda> anyone awake?
[03:32] <williammanda> anyone available to talk about version 22 changes
[05:08] <meatmanek_> my mythbuntu livecd is trying to boot off of the hard drive
[05:09] <meatmanek_> it loads its initrd, then boots gentoo from my hard drive.
[05:09] <meatmanek_> or if the hard drive isn't there, it loads its initrd, then kernel panics.
[05:10] <meatmanek_> any idea how to fix this?
[07:10] <foxbuntu> meatmanek_, are you getting the the menu where you select "try/install"
[07:42] <meatmanek_> I figured it out, actually
[07:42] <meatmanek_> the initrd was trying to use a spot in ram which the onboard video was using as shared memory
[07:42] <meatmanek_> fixed it by plugging in a video card.
[15:59] <sebrock> does anyone know if lcdproc 0.5.3 will make it into next release?
[16:06] <foxbuntu> sebrock, unlikely at this point i think
[17:50] <gunni> Since latest update of mythtv weekly builds i get some warning messages in mythweb. Not that bad, as i can disable php warnings, but maybe someone else know how to fix it:
[17:50] <gunni> Warning at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/classes/MythBackend.php, line 215:
[17:50] <gunni> file_get_contents(http://192.168.1.3:6544/Myth/GetChannelIcon?ChanID=1065&) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found
[17:50] <wombo> trunk or .21
[17:50] <gunni> trunk weekly builds
[17:50] <wombo> There are some socket problems at the moment
[17:51] <wombo> I think the fix is already in just waiting on the next build
[17:51] <gunni> k, no big problem for me, as using trunk is always risk, and of course its no critical error
[17:52] <wombo> yeah it knocked me out at the moment until the fix
[17:53] <wombo> so I have been 'forced' to work on one of my projects :)
[19:30] <the9a3eedi> o hai. I was thinking of installing Mythbuntu on a software RAID 5 array. My idea is that I can keep adding more and more drives as I need more and more space over time, and software RAID afaik supports expanding RAID5 arrays. Is there any tutorial I can use to install mythbuntu on software RAID5? I can't seem to find a good one, except a FAQ on linux RAID from the year 2000 which is totally obselete now
[19:37] <sebrock> foxbuntu, thats too bad
[19:38] <sebrock> is it really that hard to get it in?
[19:39] <sebrock> ah well, I guess it's not to hard to build myself
[20:11] <tgm4883> sebrock, yea it would be difficult now since it's past feature freeze
[20:17] <Shadow__X> the9a3eedi: first focus on getting your raid 5 array setup and the tutorials havnt really changed much
[20:17] <Shadow__X> get the raid 5 array up and running and then you can get mythtv to record to it easily
[20:18] <sebrock> tgm4883, too bad. 0.5.3 holds the important fixes to imon lcd as many seems to have these days
[20:19] <tgm4883> sebrock, yea, you could keep a PPA of it
[20:19] <tgm4883> or maybe one already exists
[20:23] <sebrock> how does PPA work? I never used it before
[20:25] <tgm4883> it's just a personal package archive, works just like a repo
[20:25] <tgm4883> if it already exists, just add someone elses to your sources.list
[20:25] <tgm4883> if it doesn't, you can have it build the packages and it acts like a repo
[20:25] <tgm4883> it is how we do weekly builds and -testing
[20:26] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: whats with the .real for the frontend why is there a wrapper script
[20:26] <tgm4883> i'm not sure why there is a wrapper script, I never looked into that
[20:26] <tgm4883> superm1 would be a better one to ask
[20:27] <Shadow__X> ah ok
[20:27] <Shadow__X> superm1: you around
[20:31] <sebrock> right, ah well I might try out 9.04 these days. Last time I had some trouble with extremely choppy video on my on-board intel gma31000
[20:34] <Shadow__X> thats a drive and gma itself problem
[20:35] <Shadow__X> s/drive/driver
[20:35] <sebrock> :)
[20:35] <the9a3eedi> Shadow__X: Is there an easy way to get RAID5 set up? like a nice GUI or something
[20:35] <Shadow__X> the9a3eedi: not that i know of
[20:35] <Shadow__X> with mythtv you dont need raid 5
[20:36] <Shadow__X> you can just keep adding drives format them and add them to mythtv
[20:36] <Shadow__X> and it will intelligently use them
[20:36] <the9a3eedi> well I also wanted one directory to share using Samba.
[20:37] <Shadow__X> i believe that you can hsare mutliple drives on one samba share as well
[20:37] <the9a3eedi> well, in the Partition editor, I see an LVM button and a RAID button. I never really used them, but doesn't that let you setup RAID5?
[20:38] <Shadow__X> i kinda doubt it but never have used that
[20:38] <Shadow__X> i have use mdadm
[20:38] <Shadow__X> thats cli
[20:38] <the9a3eedi> hmm
[20:38] <the9a3eedi> I'll check it later
[20:38] <the9a3eedi> atm I'm trying out Mythbuntu on my PC
[20:38] <Shadow__X> i would say unless you need it you shouldnt use raid5
[20:39] <Shadow__X> also are you going to be recording tv?
[20:39] <the9a3eedi> possibly
[20:39] <Shadow__X> if you are then carry on with mythtv
[20:39] <Shadow__X> if you arent imo there isnt a point to using mythtv
[20:39] <the9a3eedi> well, I'd use RAID0.. that just combines drives together right?
[20:39] <Shadow__X> because you arent going to be using what it was designed for
[20:39] <Shadow__X> yes
[20:40] <the9a3eedi> wait, yes I _will_ be recording stuff. I got a TV card ready and stuff
[20:40] <Shadow__X> oh ok
[20:40] <the9a3eedi> the thing with MythTV is that it seems to be focused on getting US and european channels to wokr. I live in the middle east. I'm trying to get free sattelites to work with MythTV and I'm sortof lost lol
[20:41] <Shadow__X> yeah cant help you there
[20:41] <Shadow__X> i am in us
[20:41] <the9a3eedi> I mean, isn't there a good way to just retrieve channels from the sattelite? all sattelite recievers in here do that lol
[20:41] <Shadow__X> eh i am not sure its quite that simple
[20:42] <the9a3eedi> why not
[20:42] <the9a3eedi> ?
[20:43] <the9a3eedi> I'll be googling around
[20:43] <Shadow__X> satellites deal with more than just c hanel numbers
[20:45] <the9a3eedi> oh wait. for listings I can just use EIT. hmm
[20:50] <gunni_> the9a3eedi: You dont want to use RAID0.
[20:50] <the9a3eedi> gunni_: yeah, that's why I decided to go for RAID5 :P
[20:50] <Shadow__X> or just no raid
[20:51] <gunni_> If you use RAID0 and only one single drive fails, all your files are gone. Also afaik if using raid0 you are bound to same partition size (ok, that should be true for raid5 also)
[20:51] <Shadow__X> you can just use lvm
[20:51] <the9a3eedi> LVM?
[20:51] <the9a3eedi> doesn't LVM do the same thing as RAID?
[20:51] <Shadow__X> no
[20:51] <Shadow__X> you should read what raid does
[20:51] <Shadow__X> and what lvm does
[20:51] <gunni_> Maybe JBOD is right for you, or using LVM, as there you can add space by just adding a new partion to your lvm logical volume
[20:52] <Shadow__X> i have a feeling you dont exactly get what each mean
[20:52] <the9a3eedi> does LVM provide redundancy?
[20:52] <the9a3eedi> well, I'm not very familiar with LVM really, that's all
[20:53] <gunni_> i dont think lvm provides redundancy
[20:53] <Shadow__X> no redundancy
[20:53] <the9a3eedi> Scanning... I keep getting timeouts.. with "tryall"
[20:53] <the9a3eedi> eh, then a partition that spans multiple drives with LVM seems pretty risky
[20:54] <Shadow__X> not really
[20:54] <the9a3eedi> what if a drive fails then?
[20:54] <Shadow__X> what if it doesnt
[20:54] <the9a3eedi> it will eventually :P
[20:54] <the9a3eedi> you know what
[20:54]  * the9a3eedi opens wikipedia
[20:56] <gunni_> the9a3eedi: Maybe this is correct: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.hardware/2006-09/msg00149.html
[20:58] <the9a3eedi> hmm.. then it seems LVM isn't for me
[20:58] <gunni_> This here sounds more informative for you: http://www.plex86.org/linux2/LVM-vs.-Drive-Failure.html
[20:59] <the9a3eedi> nope, definately RAID5 is the better choice imo
[21:00] <Shadow__X> not when your asking for a gui
[21:00] <the9a3eedi> well, if CLI's the only choice, then it's not big deal lol
[21:01] <the9a3eedi> bah.. channel scanning.. 74% .. all timeouts
[21:03] <gunni_> About growing a RAID5: http://scotgate.org/2006/07/03/growing-a-raid5-array-mdadm/
[21:05] <gunni_> And one additional info for you: Once you have installed mythtv this will result in not talking about new advertisments in TV with friends, so you stay out of this topic :)
[21:05] <Shadow__X> gunni_: i have experienced that
[21:06] <the9a3eedi> bah, channel scanning finished with no results :(
[21:06] <the9a3eedi> I like ads. especially infomercials
[21:06] <the9a3eedi> I was sad when billy mays died :(
[21:36] <the9a3eedi> bah, I'm totally stuck ._.
[21:36] <the9a3eedi> i thought it would be much easier than my last attempt at setting up mythtv (gentoo) ..... turned out to be the same thing all over again lol
[21:38] <the9a3eedi> will TRY AGAIN. I WILL NEVER GIVE UP. mada mada dane
[22:23] <gunni_> the9a3eedi: Whats the problem with stting up?
[22:39] <the9a3eedi> well, I just cant scan for channels
[22:40] <the9a3eedi> gunni_: atm, I decided to add each transponder one by one, in which I get their info from here: http://www.lyngsat.com/nile.html
[22:40] <the9a3eedi> but after adding, it doesnt find anything
[22:40] <the9a3eedi> and then when I try to add another one, mythsetup seems to crash lol
[22:41] <the9a3eedi> also, I tried using dvbscan. says it failed to open frontend
[22:44] <gunni_> did you stop mythbackend when using dvbscan?
[22:45] <gunni_> And are you sure your card can receive? Did you try an other dvb frontend, like kaffeine or something if you get channels?
[22:55] <the9a3eedi> gunni_: I was supposed to stop mythbackend? :O
[22:56] <the9a3eedi> gunni_: what do you mean by if my card can recieve? it's a sattelite card, I assume it should be able to recieve. I once generated a channels.conf from a gentoo system like a year ago. but I couldn't get it to read in mythtv :( . But I also managed to record a tv stream. So it _should_ work
[22:56] <the9a3eedi> is there any way I can test to see if the thing is connected properly at least?
[22:57] <gunni_> first you should check if the driver works.
[22:57] <gunni_> Check if there is a directory /dev/dvb/adapter0/
[22:57] <the9a3eedi> it's there
[22:57] <the9a3eedi> it appears in mythtv-setup
[22:57] <gunni_> And if it contains 4 files : demux0  dvr0  frontend0  net0
[22:58] <the9a3eedi> yup it's all there
[22:58] <gunni_> Can you receive with a different application?
[22:59] <the9a3eedi> one second, let me test that
[22:59] <the9a3eedi> like, dvbscan?
[22:59] <gunni_> And stopping the mythbackend may be necessary if you try to use an other application to receive from your dvb card
[23:00] <gunni_> so "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop" before trying dvbscan should be needed
[23:01] <the9a3eedi> well, atm I'm reinstalling mythbuntu. dont ask why :P
[23:01] <gunni_> why? ... just kidding :)
[23:01] <the9a3eedi> but in the shell, even after stopping the backend, i can't get dvbscan to work
[23:02] <gunni_> I never tried dvbscan, as for me mythtv worked nearly instantly
[23:03] <the9a3eedi> US?
[23:03] <gunni_> Germany
[23:03] <the9a3eedi> sattelite? or terrestrail?
[23:03] <gunni_> And DVB-T, not Sattelite
[23:03] <the9a3eedi> ah
[23:04] <the9a3eedi> I keep thinking that mythtv was made for that sort of setup
[23:04] <the9a3eedi> American/european country, DVB-T ..
[23:04] <the9a3eedi> I mean, I kinda find it hard to set it up in here. oh well, I'm sure there's a way
[23:05] <gunni_> No, i think there is not much difference between dvb-t and dvb-s, and dvb-s was there before dvb-t and i think mythtv was designed in this time
[23:05] <gunni_> But i dont know about Diseq or what it called, and if its needed and so on
[23:05] <the9a3eedi> well there are options for Diseqc (which i have no idea how to use)
[23:06] <the9a3eedi> then why can't I scan for sattelites in mythtv? really .. isn't that one of the features you expect to have in something like mythtv? dunno
[23:06] <the9a3eedi> maybe it's just me
[23:06] <gunni_> Maybe someone in #mythtv-users is able to help better than me.
[23:07] <the9a3eedi> probably
[23:07] <the9a3eedi> let me install this first :P