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jribtonyyarusso: I don't know (not my edit)00:11
Garybe aware user like seems to have moved the oddness to #ubuntu now (was being very odd in -offtopic)02:01
* tonyyarusso gives Seeker` some Visine04:54
ubottuctmjr called the ops in #ubuntu (mptank)04:55
KB1JWQtomaw: Your ban evader is back04:59
KB1JWQEr ,that was to tonyyarusso04:59
tonyyarussoThanks - saw it that time04:59
* tonyyarusso hopes he's not persistant - I'm hungry04:59
KB1JWQtomaw: Srsly.05:00
tonyyarussoYou fail at tab-complete :P05:02
* SportChick tacklehugs tonyyarusso 05:05
* tonyyarusso falls to the ground with an "oof"05:07
ubottuIn ubottu, xikteny said: !no, startup is <reply> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to 'System>Preferences>Startup Applications'. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot.05:20
MyrttiMoin06:28
FlannelHowdy Myrtti06:28
MyrttiHows things?06:33
FlannelMyrtti: I'm good, yourself?06:33
MyrttiStill sore after the operation06:38
* nalioth wishes Myrtti a speedy recovery06:40
MyrttiThanks :-)06:41
MyrttiIts nice to be at mums but a bit weird to be dependant on her again06:41
tonyyarusso00:43:09 < pabs3> anyone know who to contact about the webserver on packages.ubuntu.com being down?06:44
Myrtti#canonical-sysadmin06:45
MyrttiThough Im pretty sure they know06:46
* Myrtti goes for the morning gruel06:48
FlannelNo, they have nothing to do with p.u.c I believe06:48
Flannelof course, if the website were up, we could look at who is.06:48
FlannelOh, the irony06:48
=== vorian is now known as heHATEme
elkyok so that was clever of me. i just left my laptop at the office, suspended.07:55
elkytrying to decide if i want to drive over and rescue it...07:55
elkys/over/back over/07:56
jussi01@now10:30
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: September 06 2009, 09:30:2910:30
ikoniaCan a Council member please put an end to this pathetic display on the mailing list and resolve the issue in private, it is now getting beyond a joke with users mailing lectures on op's being a privilege and not a write, and other people quoting someone quoting seaveas - maybe,10:36
Mamarokikonia: +1 from me, this is just plain boring, and "I have an issue but can't tell details" is just going nowhere10:58
Mamarokif he wants to step back, then he steps back, no need to make such a fuzz about10:58
jussi01@now11:41
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: September 06 2009, 10:41:1111:41
jussi01Myrtti: ^^11:41
jussi01or Mamarok: rathere11:41
Mamarokthx, jussi0111:42
topylipro tip: "date -u" :)11:43
Myrttitopyli: lol11:43
jussi01hrm, this factoid needs a little rethink...13:36
jussi01!karmic13:36
ubottuKarmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 29th, 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+113:36
jussi01Hei all! Just a reminder that the IRC Council meeting is in 10 mins in #ubuntu-meeting.13:52
naliothmeeting beginning any moment14:01
Tm_Thi kids16:05
ubottuxangua called the ops in #ubuntu ()17:28
Mamarokgah, Fujisan is trolling and ban evading again, we just kicked him from #amarok17:34
ubottumusikgoat called the ops in #ubuntu (jack_ is trolling)17:45
=== Daviey_ is now known as Daviey
Amaranthhuh18:17
AmaranthI don't even know who Matt Darcy is18:18
Alvinwarehow to request unbanned?18:37
=== heHATEme is now known as vorian
MTeckJust fyi - Alvin1 is ban evading in #ubuntu - -!- 33 - #ubuntu: ban Alvinware!*@*!#ubuntu-ops [by ikonia!n=mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia, 1109612 secs ago]18:43
{Alvinware}Who can un-banned a username?18:54
Pici{Alvinware}: Why, are you banned?19:00
{Alvinware}yes.19:01
Pici{Alvinware}: Do you remember why?19:01
{Alvinware}Alvinware got banned, my previous username.19:01
Pici{Alvinware}: And why was your previous username banned?19:02
{Alvinware}I don't know, one day i want to joint #ubuntu, and it open this channel up.19:03
{Alvinware}Could you help me to unbanned the username, cause i registered it with my e-maill address.19:04
{Alvinware}?19:04
Pici{Alvinware}: So you don't remember being removed from #ubuntu for being coniststantly offtopic even when you were told not to be?19:05
{Alvinware}As i can remember at the time before i were banned, i didn't being consistently off topic.19:07
{Alvinware}not even off topic too, and i were helping other in solving some problems.19:07
{Alvinware}Do you have the complete log?19:08
PiciI have a log, I'm going through it currently19:09
Pici2009-08-24 16:53:51 >>>> Alvinware (n=Alvinwar@190.111.49.60.brf03-home.tm.net.my) has joined #ubuntu19:10
Pici2009-08-24 16:54:59 <?Alvinware> uhh...fuck..uh...fucking your ass hole...ah.h...cuming in it!19:10
Pici2009-08-24 16:55:01 >>>> Alvinware (n=Alvinwar@190.111.49.60.brf03-home.tm.net.my) has quit ["Leaving."]19:10
mneptokcharming!19:10
{Alvinware}lol.19:11
{Alvinware}That's heavy???19:11
PiciThays you19:12
{Alvinware}What's the condition to ban a user, and unbanned a user?19:13
mneptok{Alvinware}: i think you can see clearly the condition for banning someone. do you really have to ask?19:14
{Alvinware}Yes, i do really have to ask, because of that only sentence were occurred only a line.19:15
PiciYou think that is appropriate for a support channel???19:16
PiciOr any channel?!19:16
{Alvinware}Others got banned too just for any single appropriate line?19:16
{Alvinware}un19:17
mneptokin19:17
{Alvinware}what that single sentence would cause?19:18
PiciA line like that has no place in any of our channels19:18
Pici!ohmy19:19
ubottuPlease remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.19:19
Pici!guidelines19:19
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines19:19
PiciSince this wasn't the first time you were removed from the channel, I would have thought you would have gotten accquanted with our rules before.19:21
{Alvinware}pici, i respect you as a helpful person, but some times you didn't reply my questions in #ubuntu, that's consider polite?19:21
Pici{Alvinware}: We're not talking about me here.19:23
{Alvinware}to me not much different.19:23
Pici{Alvinware}: Fine, I'll bite then.  I do support when I'm at work, so sometimes I get pulled away to do my real job.19:24
mneptok{Alvinware}: would you like a larger shovel for that hole you're digging? </hint>19:24
{Alvinware}I'm digging no hole. Are you being off topic too, isn't it, mneptok?19:27
mneptokthere is no "offtopic" for ops in #ubuntu-ops, dear.19:27
mneptokand now you are *severely* testing my patience.19:28
{Alvinware}Would you murder a person, when you in the place have no laws?19:29
mneptok{Alvinware}: this is about *you* and *your* actions.19:29
{Alvinware}unrelated question is about me too.19:30
mneptok{Alvinware}: would you like to discuss your actions?19:30
{Alvinware}sure.19:30
Pici{Alvinware}: If you have no reasons why we should unban you, then why should we?19:30
mneptok{Alvinware}: do you think that the inputline that got you banned is appropriate?19:30
{Alvinware}what're those reason that you needed to unbanned a user?19:31
{Alvinware}That's inappropriate for that particular channel, but it didn't point to any person.19:32
ikoniaI'll step in here as I placed the ban19:33
Piciikonia: good luck19:33
{Alvinware}Good, please be responsible, ikonia.19:33
ikonia{Alvinware}: 1.) your behaviour/language is unacceptable 2.) you ban evading is unaccaptable 3.) you're attitude to people in heere is unacceptable. unless you can show us all 3 have changed and will stay changed the ban will not be removed19:33
{Alvinware}ikonia, You should stepped in this conversation earlier.19:34
Pici{Alvinware}: not everyone is always here at the computer, be patient.19:34
ikonia{Alvinware}: I wasn't at my keyboard earlier, I have stepped in as soon as possible, but that has no bearing as all the other ops can deal with my ban, the only thing being discussed here are the 3 points I've listed above ^19:34
ikoniabeing in #ubuntu as you know you are banned under your current nick while discussing the unban is also unacceptable19:35
ikoniaif you do that I again I will progress it to freenode staff19:35
{Alvinware}the first point only point to a single sentence.19:36
ikonia{Alvinware}: no - it's not19:36
ikonia{Alvinware}: you have been banned a few times19:36
ikonia{Alvinware}: the sentence is a continuation of your behaviour19:36
{Alvinware}yes.19:36
ikoniaso again - the 3 points are all thats relevant19:37
{Alvinware}my attitude to ppl is fine, at least i talk the truth, and point.19:38
ikoniano19:38
ikoniait is unacceptable to this community19:38
ikoniaand the channels the community govern / manage19:38
{Alvinware}just because it's facct.19:38
ikoniayes, that is a fact19:38
PiciBeing helpful does not excuse your other actions (note: i have no idea if you're even helpful)19:38
{Alvinware}if fact will make u ppl sick, don't discuss then.19:39
ikoniaI'm happy to discuss it19:39
ikoniabut only the 3 points in question19:39
{Alvinware}others helpful? i doubt that.19:40
ikonia{Alvinware}: only the 3 points in question will be discussed,19:41
{Alvinware}please give out the details of your point 1.19:41
ikonia{Alvinware}: you have been banned around 15 times for the channel showing your behaviour is not in line with the conduct expected to be in the channels19:42
mneptok<?Alvinware> uhh...fuck..uh...fucking your ass hole...ah.h...cuming in it!  <----- that language is unacceptable19:42
ikoniayour language in the last ban was totally unacceptable, but that is a continuation of your 15 ban/bad behaviour19:42
{Alvinware}i only got 2 ban, not 15.19:43
ikonia{Alvinware}: no, you have multiple bans - that's not up for discussion either19:43
{Alvinware}ppl can used my username, and i'm having a dynamic ip.19:44
ikoniathe discussion is your repeated unaccaptable behaviour19:44
ikonia{Alvinware}: no - each time it is you19:44
ikoniathat is not up for dicussion - you have 2 bans, that's enough to say that your beahviour is repeatedly unaccaptable, - again the focus is yoyur behaviour19:44
{Alvinware}the first time was what the other bans for?19:45
{Alvinware}what're those other bans for?19:45
ikonia<Alvinware> Paddy_NI, Off topic, It's shitbuntu/ubuntu???!!!19:46
ikoniaagain - bad landauge19:46
ikoniaand being rude to people before that19:46
{Alvinware}as you can read that was i saying to the person that said that.19:47
ikoniait doesn't matter - you don't talk to people like that, and you don't use langauge like that19:47
Amaranth{Alvinware}: Do you understand that language and conduct like that is not appropriate for Ubuntu channels?19:47
{Alvinware}I'm repeating the sentence.19:48
{Alvinware}have you banned his/her too?19:48
PiciWhat?19:48
Amaranth{Alvinware}: I can check the logs but I find it hard to believe Paddy_NI said that19:48
ikoniaAmaranth: he didn't19:48
ikoniaAmaranth: I've just gone through the logs,19:48
ikoniathere are other kick bans, such as being persistnatly offtopic and being a pain when operators tried to clam it in19:49
ikoniaas I said - the attitude towards others and the language is unaccapablt and that is ALL that is up for discussion here19:49
{Alvinware}he/she did said that.19:49
ikoniahe didn't19:49
ikonia{Alvinware}: I've got the logs19:49
ikoniayou said that TO him19:49
ikoniaif you want to lie - I'm not going to progress this any further19:49
{Alvinware}if i did, i wouldn't said offtopic.19:49
ikoniaok - I'm not taking this any further19:50
AmaranthIt seems clear this is not going anywhere.19:50
ikonia{Alvinware}: you ban will not be lifted, please come back when you want to tell the truth and discuss the 3 points I've listed for you19:50
{Alvinware}please mail me the full log.19:50
ikoniano19:51
ikoniathat is not up for discussion19:51
{Alvinware}why?19:51
ikoniaI am discussing YOUR behaviour19:51
Amaranthikonia: What day was that?19:51
{Alvinware}ok, behaviour.19:51
ikonia2009-07-23T20:32:3619:52
{Alvinware}ppl forgot, mail the log.19:53
ikonia{Alvinware}: no19:53
{Alvinware}then discuss.19:53
ikoniayou have been told no - it's not up for discussion, just the 3 points I raised19:53
ikoniaI'm not discussing that incident, I'm discussing the 3 points, which include your behaviour in general19:54
{Alvinware}without facts, how to discuss?19:54
{Alvinware}any one could lie.19:54
ikoniathe facts are, you are rude to people, offtopic, and use bad language, you also try to start petty arguemtns with people - that is unaccaptable19:54
ikoniadiscuss19:54
Picipastebin the logs if he wants...19:55
{Alvinware}argument is the channel law breaker too?19:55
AmaranthYes, it seems clear from the logs of that day that he was rather rude to people helping him even before he said that19:55
Amaranthhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/23/%23ubuntu.txt19:55
ikoniaPici: I don't want to as I don't want to focus on points - just the general behaviour based on his history of trying to create petty arguements19:55
ikonia{Alvinware}: we are ONLY focused on you here, you broke the rules, you got banned, nothing else19:56
ikonia{Alvinware}: if you cannot focus on this - the discussion will end19:56
Amaranth{Alvinware}: Please stop trying to be difficult, it won't help you19:57
{Alvinware}those bad words i said were few point to some users, indeed very few, and the rest i just said it for nothing.19:59
{Alvinware}the offtopic wasn't really offtopic, because it's related to ubuntu in some ways.19:59
ikonia{Alvinware}: it doesn't matter who they are said to - you shouldn't say it, and the offtopic IS offtopic, if people ask you to take it to offtopic - it's offtopic,20:00
{Alvinware}arguement was caused by some users provide doubtful info/incompleted one.20:00
ikonia{Alvinware}: it doesn't matter - you don't talk to them the way you did20:00
ikoniayou don't use the language you did20:01
{Alvinware}no, in arguement, i wouldn't say bad words.20:01
ikoniayou did20:01
ikoniayou do20:01
ikoniayou should not say them at all, in argument, or not20:02
{Alvinware}if i did, that's the end of the arguement.20:02
ikoniano it's not20:02
ikoniayou don't use it to end an agrument20:02
AmaranthAnything that isn't asking for help or giving help is offtopic in #ubuntu20:02
ikoniayou don't use that laguage at all20:02
Amaranth{Alvinware}: We have proof you used this kind of language, denying it will not help20:02
{Alvinware}ppl can get rude too by not using bad words.20:03
ikonia{Alvinware}: yes, you do that too, you are rude without swearing20:03
ikoniathat is another point I raised to you20:03
ikoniaand as I said we are not talking about others just you20:03
{Alvinware}i'm talking fact to other, fact could be rude too, depend on ppl acceptance.20:04
ikoniaI'm not interested in other people at this time, just you20:04
{Alvinware}i want fair.20:04
ikoniaif you cannot grasp that and just focus on your behaviour we won't go anywhere20:04
ikonia{Alvinware}: other people have/will/are delt with, you are just interested in you here20:04
Amaranth{Alvinware}: If other people are rude to the point of needing to be banned they end up here just like you. This is not the time to discuss them though.20:05
{Alvinware}for me the main point was bad words, i think.20:05
ikonia{Alvinware}: I out lined the 3 reasons you where banned20:05
{Alvinware}arguement is invitable.20:05
ikoniano, it's not20:05
{Alvinware}ininvadetable.20:05
ikoniano20:06
ikoniaand that is not up for discussion20:06
ikoniaYOUR behaviour is all we are interested in here20:06
ikoniathis will be the last time I state it20:06
ikoniaif you cannot discuss JUST your behaviour - we won't go any further20:06
{Alvinware}please explain my behaviour?20:06
ikonia{Alvinware}: the way you talk to people is rude, the language you use to people - is unaccaptable, your persistnt offtopic conversation is unaccaptable, your ban evading is unaccaptable, your attempts to start arguements is unaccaptable, and your attempt to miss-use the bot in the channel is uncalled for and contributes to the earlier points20:07
{Alvinware}please define unacceptable.20:08
ikonianot allowed in the channel, and will get you banned20:08
{Alvinware}how's my way talk to ppl was consider rude?20:09
ikoniaone moment, I'll get you some examples20:09
ikonia2009-07-23T20:25:17 <Alvinware> prince_jammys, Please make some explanation clear, cause this's a help channel. un-helpful person get out.20:09
{Alvinware}what ban evading?20:09
ikonia{Alvinware}: you where banned in #ubuntu - you changed your nickname to get past the ban20:10
ikonia2009-07-23T20:27:26 <Alvinware> prince_jammys, get out,pls20:10
ikonia09-07-23T20:29:02 <Alvinware> Paddy_NI, I said what'll happen, not is it a good ideo, or not, ppl?!! idiots!20:10
{Alvinware}yes, but that's not a big deal for the changed username.20:10
ikonia{Alvinware}: it is - you changed it to get past a ban20:10
{Alvinware}yes, not a big deal, acceptable.20:11
PiciNO20:11
ikoniano20:11
ikonianot acceptable20:11
{Alvinware}why?20:11
ikoniabecause that is the rule, if you are banned it's for a reason, discuss it to get it removed20:11
ikoniayou don't get around it20:11
ikoniaas I said - if you attempt that I again I will take it to freenode staff20:11
{Alvinware}I only said those to ppl, when i'm frustrated about they helf, and like u said unhelpful ppl should not in/something like that?20:12
ikonia{Alvinware}: it's rude to talk to people like that - as I said unaccaptable20:13
{Alvinware}all ppl have sure will done that for the chnage id.20:13
ikoniathey where not being unhelpful, you just didn't like there answer20:13
ikonia{Alvinware}: I'll state it one more time - ban doding is unaccapable, and NOT open for debate, if you do it again I will inform freenode network admin staff20:13
{Alvinware}yes, unhelpful answer.20:13
ikonia{Alvinware}: so you don't tell them to get out20:13
ikoniayou don't call them idiots20:13
{Alvinware}oh no get out for unhelpful ppl, i thought u said that.20:14
Amaranth{Alvinware}: They were trying to help, if you don't like the answer ask them to clarify it. They don't have to help you at all, you are not entitled to help from them. You should not be rude to these people.20:14
ikonia{Alvinware}: no you said that20:14
ikoniaactually - I think enough of this20:15
ikonia!guidelines > {Alvinware}20:15
ubottu{Alvinware}, please see my private message20:15
ikonia!coc > {Alvinware}20:15
{Alvinware}yes, they didn't clarify, i'm not entitle for help, then wat's the channel for?20:15
ikonia{Alvinware}: ubottu has just sent you 2 pm's with links in, I suggest you read them, and come back and explain how your behaviour is unaccepable, then we will discuss removing the ban20:15
{Alvinware}discrimination?20:15
Amaranth{Alvinware}: It is for people to ask for help and give help. But help is not guaranteed.20:16
ikonia{Alvinware}: your ban won't be lifted at this time, please read the links ubottu sent you and consider how that relates to your behaviour20:16
{Alvinware}but at least should give ppl some advises, not just leave it like that.20:16
{Alvinware}it's rude.20:17
ikonia{Alvinware}: your ban won't be progressed at this time, please read the links ubottu sent you20:17
ikonia{Alvinware}: once you understand the channel rules (the links ubottu sent you) we can take this forward20:17
{Alvinware}i have learned some point here, if ppl answer, just take it, don't question much, it seem like stupid to me.20:18
ikonia{Alvinware}: once you understand the channel rules (the links ubottu sent you) we can take this forward20:18
ikonia{Alvinware}: your ban will not be progressed at this time20:18
{Alvinware}actually, through my experience in the channel, it's not a very helpful channel, although a few were.20:19
ikonia{Alvinware}: your ban will not be progressed at this time20:19
{Alvinware}that's not the major point to me.20:20
ikonia{Alvinware}: Please read the links ubottu sent you to understand the rules, then we can discuss it, until then I request you leave this channel until you have read the rules20:20
ikonia{Alvinware}: if it's not a major point to you - you will not gain access to #ubuntu until it is20:20
ikonia{Alvinware}: now please leave the channel and come back once you have read the rules as requested20:21
{Alvinware}it's just for that.20:21
{Alvinware}i count the helpfulness.20:21
ikonia{Alvinware}: I don't know what that means, but my request to leave the channel and read the rules then return stands20:21
{Alvinware}Disagreements, both political and technical, happen all the time and the Ubuntu community is no exception. The important goal is not to avoid disagreements or differing views but to resolve them constructively. You should turn to the community and to the community process to seek advice and to resolve disagreements.20:23
{Alvinware}read it.20:24
ikonia{Alvinware}: I'm not discussing this further until you have read the rules, it is pointless taking it forward when you are not aware of the rules of the channel20:24
ikonia{Alvinware}: Please LEAVE the channel, read the rules, understand them, and return and we will discuss your ban further20:24
{Alvinware}black and white is the fact.20:25
ikonia{Alvinware}: I'm not discussing it further until you have left the channel and read the rule20:25
ikoniarules20:25
{Alvinware}Asking questions avoids many problems down the road, and so questions are encouraged. Those who are asked should be responsive and helpful20:25
ikonia{Alvinware}: stop quoting things - please leave and read and understand the rules20:26
{Alvinware}i amid i didn't don't wrong in saying bad words, but those quote, you should do some thinking.20:27
{Alvinware}didn't = did.20:27
ikonia{Alvinware}: this discussion is over20:27
mneptokindeed it is.20:27
Amaranth*sigh*20:27
AmaranthThe ones who try to twist the CoC and IRC guidelines to fit their views are always so fun20:28
mneptokanyone what to place a wager on the eventual need for a ban?20:28
mneptok*want20:28
ikoniaI have no interest in theat20:28
ikoniathat20:28
AmaranthI'm surprised he didn't try to claim that he wasn't really banned since the ban was not effective20:28
jussi01Amaranth: Matt Darcy is ikonia :)20:36
Picidun dun dun...... 'the plot thickens'20:37
Amaranthhmm20:38
AmaranthWell hello there Matt :P20:38
ikonia?20:41
ikoniaahh, yes, that is me20:41
alvinyang916please remove my #ubuntu ban.20:54
alvinyang916i need help from ubuntu.20:54
mneptokif i forget, that ban should be removed in 24h or so20:55
mneptokanyone is welcome to do so.20:55
jussi01mneptok: He is asking in -irc now...21:11
* jussi01 hugs niko21:12
niko:)21:12
* mneptok senses a g:21:13
mneptokniko: did you, in fact, g: line him? if so, i'll remove the ban here.21:17
nikonot at the moment21:17
mneptokk21:18
ikoniamneptok: please don't remove the ban yet, it can sit there for 24 hours while he has time to digest the rules, I don't want a repeat of the previous conversation again21:29
mneptokdoes anyone?21:32
ikonia@mark #ubuntu-irc ubknown1 Alvinware attempting to bandodge and again trying to provoke a situation and not following the guidlines requested to him21:57
ubottuThe operation succeeded.21:57
ikonia@mark #ubuntu-irc ubknown1 Alvinware came back for a second go22:02
ubottuThe operation succeeded.22:02
mneptokikonia: you have typos22:04
ikonia?22:06
ikonia@mark22:07
ubottu(mark [<channel>] <nick|hostmask> [<comment>]) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if <nick|hostmask> was kicked from <channel> with the comment <comment>, if <comment> is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, <channel> is only needed when send in /msg22:07
Piciguidlines22:07
ikoniaoops yes22:11
mneptokand "ubknown1"22:18
mneptok(you marked a nick that was never used)22:19

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