[00:02] <slhsen> hi, I just installed 9.04 and I cannot change my keyboard layout to TR it shows the turkish flag on keyboard switch plug in but does not work. any ideas?
[00:09] <slhsen> "setxkbmap tr" works
[00:09] <slhsen> but xfce settings does not
[01:18] <imfluxible> i just did a new install of 9.04 but i only have a top of screen panel, can anyone tell me what might be the problem that i don't have a bottom panel?
[01:26] <imfluxible> i tried to sudo apt-get install gnome-panel but it said there was already installed an instance or similar
[01:42] <durt> imfluxible, xubuntu uses xfce not gnome, it would be xfce4-panel
[01:43] <durt> and it should be already installed, right click on your top panel choose customize panel to add more panels.
[08:10] <mikubuntu> trying to help my friend in california install .. she has xp, and i don't know anything about microsoft, and neither does she, does anybody know what program might be on her xp by default to burn the iso?
[08:18] <Techie> there is no program on xp that will allow you to burn iso files out of the box
[08:19] <Techie> may i suggest a burning application?
[08:31] <mikubuntu> Techie, sorry i was away looking for resources ... yes please suggest the best
[08:31] <Techie> i personally use IMGburn
[08:31] <Techie> http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
[08:31] <mikubuntu> so it is freely available to download to ms xp?
[08:31] <Techie> yes
[08:32] <mikubuntu> cool, let me try to walk her thru it
[08:33] <Techie> once its installed you can right click the iso and select burn with imgburn if you want
[08:33] <Techie> then just put in a black disc and click the big button on the bottom left
[08:52] <mikubuntu> Techie, ok, waiting for her to re-download buntu, she selected run instead of save ... lol
[08:53] <Techie> hehe
[09:10] <mikubuntu> Techie, you there?
[09:10] <Techie> yep
[09:11] <Techie> im here
[09:11] <mikubuntu> she says its offering her 'Advanced Reg Opt' to download, is that the file? Imgburn?
[09:11] <Techie> no
[09:11] <Techie> thats an ad
[09:11] <mikubuntu> oops
[09:12] <Techie> which mirror site?
[09:12] <mikubuntu> hmmm, i don't know what she's seeing ...  mirror 1 betanews
[09:13] <Techie> blue button on the right
[09:13] <mikubuntu> k, lemme tell her
[09:13] <Techie> it says Download Now (2,119 Kb)
[09:21] <mikubuntu> still here? :P
[09:22] <mikubuntu> gina says :: the ubuntu file not on desktop, where would xp put it normally?
[09:22] <Techie> umm
[09:22] <Techie> try my documents
[09:22] <Techie> there may be a downloads folder
[09:23] <mikubuntu> downloads folder under docs?
[09:23] <Techie> yeah, might not be there though
[09:23] <Techie> you could always do a search for it
[09:24] <Techie> hit [windows key] + F
[09:24] <mikubuntu> how do you search on xp
[09:24] <mikubuntu> k, then?
[09:24] <Techie> all files and folders on the left pane
[09:25] <Techie> in the first box put buntu and click search
[09:25] <Techie> ubuntu*
[09:29] <mikubuntu> she's trying.  like the blind leading the blind.
[09:30] <mikubuntu> she says :: OMG i foooouuuund it ...  we'll see ...lol...
[09:30] <Techie> windows isnt any harder than ubuntu, its just that it doesnt have large support channels like this and doesnt have the might of the open source community
[09:31] <mikubuntu> and you forgot, it DOESN'T WORK ... lol
[09:32] <Techie> common misconception
[09:32] <Techie> it does work, its just that alot of users dont know how to work with it properly, the same goes for any distro of linux
[09:34] <mikubuntu> i hate it, i've never had money, so i've always had older equipment and machines always froze up, crashed, etc... , nvr happens with linux (in my experience - UNLESS i've done something stupid, which i have on occasion)
[09:34] <Techie> hehe
[09:35] <Techie> use your resources
[09:35] <mikubuntu> convoluted coding, made to obfuscate
[09:35] <Techie> lol
[09:35] <mikubuntu> i'm no coder, but i understand and believe that to be true, right?
[09:35] <Techie> theres only 2 peices of hardware in my computer that arent 2nd hand
[09:36] <Techie> windows code isnt as bad as its made out to be
[09:36] <mikubuntu> ok, she found it!!! so, she just needs to insert disk, and right click you said to bring up imgburn
[09:36] <Techie> yay
[09:37] <Techie> btw if you didnt figure it out... im a windows user, but i also work with linux
[09:38] <mikubuntu> i did, just giving you a hard time.  i'm sure you know LOTS more than i, without a doubt.  i toil thru everything, haha
[09:38] <mikubuntu> so what will be img's options again?
[09:39] <Techie> no need to change any options, however you can change the burn speed and disable the verify procedure if you want
[09:39] <mikubuntu> i can't see what she's seeing
[09:39] <mikubuntu> ok, so i should slow the burn speed right
[09:39] <Techie> up to you
[09:40] <Techie> good writer and good discs and you can burn at full speed
[09:40] <Techie> if you doubt either then burn at a slower speed
[09:41] <mikubuntu> not 100 percent familiar with her equipment, its a two year old dell laptop is all i know
[09:41] <Techie> yeah, maybe reduce the burn speed a little bit
[09:41] <mikubuntu> hope i get a good install ...
[09:41] <Techie> not a big fan of dells
[09:42] <mikubuntu> me neither ezackly
[09:43] <mikubuntu> i bought a 300 doller acer couple months ago, and everyone says its sh$%, but i haven't had any probs complaints on it yet, does everything i tell it to
[09:43] <Techie> what specs?
[09:45] <mikubuntu> houston we have a problem ... she said she clickd on the file and it took her back to ubuntu home page ... that doesn't sound like an .iso to me    heehee
[09:45] <Techie> nope
[09:46] <Techie> she could do a search for *.iso
[09:47] <mikubuntu> ahhh, good idea.  but she just crappd out.  tomorrow nite :P
[09:48] <Techie> kk
[09:48] <mikubuntu> Techie, thanks ... see you tomorrow?
[09:49] <Techie> if im on, otherwise it should be pretty simple
[09:49] <mikubuntu> k, laters then, thx again
[09:49] <Techie> np
[09:56] <miguelonnnn> hii
[09:56]  * Techie waves @ miguelonnnn 
[09:57] <miguelonnnn> ;)
[10:44] <Techie>    /away sleeping
[10:44] <Techie> ... why did i have a bunch of spaces in there???? oh well
[10:44] <SiDi> Good night, Techie :)
[10:44] <Techie> night SiDi
[10:51] <Sysi> i think i'll ever get bored to peple from different time zones
[11:10] <miguelonnnn> sry good night techie hope not being too late :S
[12:46] <ace__> how can i change the mixer icon?
[13:23] <slow-motion> hi
[13:24] <SiDi> hi
[15:55] <felipeiilha> hi
[15:56] <asdfkjlhldsh> i'm having some troubles with xubuntu instalation
[15:58] <SiDi> hi asdfkjlhldsh
[15:58] <SiDi> what problem do you have exactly ?
[16:03] <asudhdhuauhd> how can I stay connected to this webirc
[16:03] <asudhdhuauhd> ?
[16:04] <asudhdhuauhd> it loses conection every time
[16:04] <asudhdhuauhd> ctcp version
[16:06] <tryingtoobtainhe> i cant stay conected
[16:07] <tryingtoobtainhe> freenode-connect [freenode@freenode/bot/connect] requested CTCP VERSION from tryingtoobtainhe:
[16:08] <Sysi> you can't use proper irc-client?
[16:09] <qwebirc2953> hi
[16:09] <SiDi> hi
[16:09] <qwebirc2953> i'm having some trouble with xubuntu
[16:09] <qwebirc2953> and with this webirc
[16:10] <Sysi> you can't use proper irc-client?
[16:10] <SiDi> problems with the webchat should be dealt on #freenode
[16:10] <SiDi> i'm on webchat.freenode.net too and it works very well.
[16:10] <qwebirc2953> ok.
[16:10] <qwebirc2953> I installed xubuntu on my notebook
[16:11] <qwebirc2953> its an old Toshiba Satellite
[16:11] <qwebirc2953> and CD drive doesn't work any more
[16:11] <qwebirc2953> so, i made a cd image aproach
[16:12] <qwebirc2953> on installing, everything was ok
[16:12] <qwebirc2953> when the pc rebooted,
[16:12] <qwebirc2953> it asked to my user and pw
[16:12] <qwebirc2953> but in "console" mode
[16:13] <qwebirc2953> i filled user and pw, but i'm still on text mode
[16:13] <qwebirc2953> how can I start xfce?
[16:13] <durt> you
[16:13] <durt> can
[16:13] <durt> start
[16:13] <durt> X
[16:13] <durt> with
[16:14] <durt> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[16:14] <qwebirc2953> ok
[16:14] <qwebirc2953> i got:
[16:15] <durt> this is IRC not IM. You can put more than a few words on a line, in fact multiple lines. :)
[16:15] <qwebirc2953> sudo: /etc/init.d/gdm: command not found
[16:15] <qwebirc2953> sorry
[16:15] <NickDeNeger> lol @ durt
[16:16] <qwebirc2953> i got: sudo: /etc/init.d/gdm: command not found
[16:16] <durt> did you do a cli install?
[16:16] <qwebirc2953> yes
[16:17] <SiDi> qwebirc2953: what CD did you use ?
[16:17] <qwebirc2953> clean install?
[16:17] <qwebirc2953> alternate cd
[16:17] <SiDi> it looks like you didnt install XFCE
[16:17] <SiDi> Are you sure you didnt install ubuntu server ? :/
[16:17] <SiDi> what does uname -r return please ?
[16:17] <durt> then you need to install xubuntu-desktop (if that's the correct package name, anyone?).
[16:18] <qwebirc2953> returns:     2.6.28-11-generic
[16:18] <SiDi> Alright, that's just weird
[16:18] <NickDeNeger> try: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[16:18] <NickDeNeger> that will setup the complete xubuntu environment
[16:19] <NickDeNeger> probably you are missing allot of packages :)
[16:19] <qwebirc2953> "impossible find xubuntu-desktop package
[16:19] <qwebirc2953> actually, let me explain how i installed.
[16:20] <qwebirc2953> This notebook's cd drive isnt working
[16:20] <qwebirc2953> and it doesn't book from pendrive
[16:20] <qwebirc2953> boot
[16:20] <qwebirc2953> so, searching on ubuntu documentation, i found:
[16:21] <qwebirc2953>     * Installation     * FromWindows        *  The CD image approach
[16:22] <qwebirc2953> "Note: This method only works with the Alternate Ubuntu install CD."
[16:22] <SiDi> qwebirc2953: could you please paste the documentation ?
[16:22] <qwebirc2953> ok
[16:22] <NickDeNeger> or the url
[16:22] <qwebirc2953> If for some reason you can not (do not want to) write the CD it is possible to use the ISO image to do the installation from hard disk.      *        Create a directory called hd-media in the root directory of the first primary partition of your hard drive (usually drive c:\, which it will be referred to as from now on).     *        Download vmlinuz and initrd.gz from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/instal
[16:22] <qwebirc2953> better hrl
[16:22] <qwebirc2953> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[16:22] <NickDeNeger> ty
[16:23] <qwebirc2953> I used The CD image approach
[16:23] <qwebirc2953> with Xubuntu Alternate CD
[16:25] <SiDi> huh, Download vmlinuz and initrd.gz from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ and save them to hd-media
[16:25] <SiDi> These files don't exist :/
[16:25] <qwebirc2953> i downloaded from
[16:25] <qwebirc2953> the last ubuntu distro
[16:25] <qwebirc2953> jaunty
[16:26] <NickDeNeger> after booting you got the installer? and you didn't get any error's during the installation?
[16:26] <SiDi> qwebirc2953: can you try to type ubiquity in a command line please ?
[16:26] <qwebirc2953> no error
[16:26] <SiDi> I think you got booted into a LiveCD (installed in your partition)
[16:26] <SiDi> you're not booted into an actually installed system
[16:27] <qwebirc2953> ubiquity not found
[16:27] <qwebirc2953> in fact,
[16:27] <qwebirc2953> i have the alternate cd imagem on the hd
[16:27] <SiDi> then ubiquity should be there
[16:28] <qwebirc2953> what should i do?
[16:29] <qwebirc2953> i'm tryng to instal linux on this notebook
[16:30] <qwebirc2953> but i can't use CD.
[16:30] <SiDi> Well, can you reach the internet from your machine ?
[16:30] <qwebirc2953> from windows yes.
[16:30] <SiDi> if you can then you can do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[16:30] <SiDi> From the linux box, i meant
[16:30] <qwebirc2953> no
[16:30] <SiDi> What network configuration do you have ?
[16:31] <qwebirc2953> this note doesn't have cable ethernet
[16:31] <qwebirc2953> just a usb wifi
[16:31] <SiDi> What does iwlist wlan0 scan say ?
[16:32] <qwebirc2953> not installed
[16:32] <qwebirc2953> i really dont understand.
[16:33] <NickDeNeger> it sounds he only got the kernel module...
[16:33] <qwebirc2953> on instalation, everything gone ok
[16:33] <SiDi> NickDeNeger: yeh, sounds like that...
[16:33] <SiDi> just like that, is your console something like ubuntu@ubuntu~: or (initramfs): ?
[16:34] <qwebirc2953> felipe@felipenote:~$
[16:34] <SiDi> So, once you booted the first time, you DID perform an install, right ?
[16:34] <qwebirc2953> yes
[16:34] <qwebirc2953> but,
[16:34] <qwebirc2953> i think i will try again
[16:35] <SiDi> well, it looks like nothing got installed at all :]
[16:35] <qwebirc2953> yes.
[16:35] <NickDeNeger> maybe if he setups his wireless and add a repository he can get all?
[16:36] <NickDeNeger> did you select: use entire disk on setup?
[16:36] <qwebirc2953> no
[16:36] <qwebirc2953> i still have windows on other partition
[16:36] <NickDeNeger> so you picked manual and created 1 ext3 partition and 1 swap?
[16:37] <SiDi> NickDeNeger: yeh but he doesnt seem to even have the basic networking tools
[16:37] <qwebirc2953> i picked automatic create partitions
[16:37] <qwebirc2953> with /home  and /swap separeted
[16:37] <NickDeNeger> hmm k that shouldn't be the problem then i guess
[16:38] <qwebirc2953> rigth
[16:38] <qwebirc2953> do you think i should instal again?
[16:38] <NickDeNeger> you can try?
[16:38] <qwebirc2953> i can login on windows
[16:38] <qwebirc2953> access internet
[16:38] <NickDeNeger> really don't know ^^
[16:39] <NickDeNeger> never worked with that kind of installation
[16:39] <qwebirc2953> maybe the Cd image aproach doesnot work with xubuntu alternate cd.
[16:39] <qwebirc2953> i will download ubuntu alternate cd
[16:39] <qwebirc2953> and try
[16:39] <NickDeNeger> shouldn't make a difference but you can try
[16:39] <NickDeNeger> both installations are similar but with different basic packages
[16:40] <qwebirc2953> i rebooted
[16:40] <NickDeNeger> but trying never hurts =)
[16:40] <qwebirc2953> on grub I have:
[16:40] <qwebirc2953> ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11 generic
[16:40] <qwebirc2953> ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11 generic (recovery mode)
[16:40] <qwebirc2953> Ms Windows XP
[16:41] <qwebirc2953> should I select recovery mode?
[16:42] <NickDeNeger> don't know... maybe SiDi knows ^^
[16:43] <qwebirc2953> i have the complete iso image on another partition
[16:43] <qwebirc2953> if i can access it,
[16:43] <qwebirc2953> may be i can instal the packages?
[16:44] <SiDi> try to boot every line
[16:45] <qwebirc2953> how I do this?
[16:46] <qwebirc2953> on grub I also have:
[16:46] <qwebirc2953> ubuntu 9.04, memtes86+
[16:47] <qwebirc2953> I'm starting a clean install
[16:47] <NickDeNeger> maybe the setup didn't setup grub correctly and it's still booting the installer grub version
[16:47] <NickDeNeger> on the installation
[16:48] <qwebirc2953> reinstalling now
[16:48] <qwebirc2953> i got a problem
[16:48] <NickDeNeger> when the installer asks where you want tot setup grub type in: (hd0)
[16:48] <qwebirc2953> Error while running 'modprobe -v -yenta_socket
[16:49] <qwebirc2953> now it's loading addtional components
[16:49] <qwebirc2953> again the same error. I hit continue.
[16:50] <qwebirc2953> No network detected.
[16:50] <qwebirc2953> I select Continue or Go Back?
[16:50] <SiDi> I have strictly no idea :/
[16:51] <qwebirc2953> i selected go back
[16:51] <qwebirc2953> entered in hardware detection
[16:51] <qwebirc2953> again, no network detected. i hit continue.
[16:52] <qwebirc2953> Configure network. It is asking the hostname. i write "ubuntu"
[16:52] <NickDeNeger> how did you enter the setup? on boot: ms windows xp >> setup?
[16:52] <qwebirc2953> no
[16:53] <qwebirc2953> when i reseted,
[16:53] <qwebirc2953> it entered on grub
[16:53] <qwebirc2953> I selected Ms Windows XP
[16:53] <qwebirc2953> so it entered in Windows Boot Loader
[16:54] <qwebirc2953> I selected "Instal Ubuntu" (from the CD image aproach)
[16:54] <qwebirc2953> So it loaded the instalation program
[16:56] <qwebirc2953> i'm partitioning the HD now
[16:57] <qwebirc2953> #1 primary 9.5 gb B ntfs    (where MS Win and the cd image are)
[16:57] <qwebirc2953> pri/log 10.5GB   free space
[16:58] <qwebirc2953> i select the second one
[16:58] <NickDeNeger> y
[16:58] <qwebirc2953> and then Automatically partition the free space
[16:58] <qwebirc2953> ?
[16:58] <NickDeNeger> y
[16:58] <qwebirc2953> ok
[16:59] <qwebirc2953> it created:
[16:59] <qwebirc2953> #1 primary 9.5 gb B ntfs    (where MS Win and the cd image are)
[16:59] <SiDi> ntfs ?
[16:59] <NickDeNeger> that is the windows partition
[16:59] <qwebirc2953> #5 logical 10 gb      f    ext3 /
[16:59] <SiDi> (btw your network isnt detected probably because you have an usb wifi dongle without drivers)
[16:59] <NickDeNeger> that's wrong ^^
[16:59] <qwebirc2953> #6 logical 493.5 gb      f    swap swap
[17:00] <SiDi> Okey, where are 2 3 and 4 ? :P
[17:00] <SiDi> 493 MB you mean ?
[17:00] <qwebirc2953> don't know
[17:00] <qwebirc2953> yes
[17:00] <SiDi> (thats a 20GB disc ?)
[17:00] <qwebirc2953> 493 mb
[17:00] <NickDeNeger> the root / should be on a primary partition not a logical
[17:00] <SiDi> Okey
[17:00] <SiDi> NickDeNeger: actually it should matter at all w/ linux :/
[17:00] <SiDi> shouldnt
[17:01] <qwebirc2953> i will delete this partitions, and leave only the ntfs one
[17:01] <NickDeNeger> hmm oke
[17:01] <NickDeNeger> although i would prefer to make #2 primary 10gb f ext3 /
[17:01] <qwebirc2953> right.. now I have:
[17:01] <qwebirc2953>  #1 primary 9.5 gb B ntfs    (where MS Win and the cd image are)
[17:01] <NickDeNeger> and swap at #3
[17:02] <qwebirc2953> pri/log 10.5GB   free space
[17:02] <SiDi> delete every one apart from the #1, then go to manual partition, make a 4,5GB / ext4 primary partition, a ~512 mb swap one, and a 5GB /home ext4 primary
[17:02] <qwebirc2953> ok
[17:02] <SiDi> you wont need logical partitions since you dont leave any room behind you :P
[17:02] <SiDi> (but afaik linux is meant to be bootable from logical ones :/ )
[17:03] <qwebirc2953> it's asking where i want the partition to be created on the space avaliable: beginning or end
[17:03] <qwebirc2953> (4,5GB / ext4 primary partition)
[17:04] <NickDeNeger> beginning
[17:04] <qwebirc2953> k
[17:04] <NickDeNeger> quick question, is it possible at all to takeover the active session screen (you see on your monitor) using vnc? if so i'll try harder xD
[17:04] <qwebirc2953> no.
[17:04] <qwebirc2953> i'm with the notebook at my side.
[17:05] <qwebirc2953> cant access from this pc
[17:05] <NickDeNeger> that wasn't a question for you ^^ i hoped SiDi  knows ^^
[17:05] <qwebirc2953> ok
[17:06] <qwebirc2953> now, it says I'm editing #2 partition
[17:06] <qwebirc2953> on partition settings
[17:06] <qwebirc2953> use as:    ext4 ?
[17:06] <qwebirc2953> mount point:    ???
[17:07] <NickDeNeger> mounting point: /
[17:07] <NickDeNeger> and i guess ext4 is good to but i use ext3 (older version)
[17:07] <qwebirc2953> mount options:   realatime???
[17:07] <qwebirc2953> mount options:   relatime???
[17:08] <NickDeNeger> mount point: /
[17:08] <qwebirc2953> below mount point, is mount options
[17:08] <qwebirc2953> default relatime
[17:08] <qwebirc2953> but the other options are:
[17:09] <qwebirc2953> noatime,     nodev,     nosuid,      noexec,       ro,      sync,     usrquota,    grpquota,    user_xattr
[17:10] <qwebirc2953> leave relatime?
[17:10] <NickDeNeger> guess so...
[17:10] <SiDi> NickDeNeger: i dont use VNC much :p
[17:10] <qwebirc2953> ok
[17:10] <qwebirc2953> Label:  none
[17:10] <qwebirc2953> Reserved blocks:   5%
[17:10] <qwebirc2953> typical usage:   standard
[17:11] <qwebirc2953> bootable flag:    off     ????
[17:11] <SiDi> bootable flag on
[17:11] <qwebirc2953> k
[17:11] <SiDi> for the rest leave it as it is
[17:11] <SiDi> for partition #3, just set ext4 and mount point /home
[17:11] <NickDeNeger> SiDi: me neighter but i hoped that i could takeover my media center box ^^
[17:11] <SiDi> and leave the rest as it is
[17:11] <qwebirc2953> k
[17:11] <SiDi> NickDeNeger: by takeover do you mean remote control or do you mean remote control AND prevent local control ?
[17:11] <SiDi> remote control is possible NickDeNeger
[17:12] <SiDi> make sure your VNC server on your media center allows you to control it and you're done
[17:12] <NickDeNeger> hmm k i'll try harder, found some tutorials but probably i missed something somewhere hm
[17:13] <qwebirc2953> swap is ext4?
[17:13] <SiDi> i dont have vnc here but there is a VNC configuration utility in ubuntu, its somewhere there
[17:13] <SiDi> qwebirc2953: swap is swap ;)
[17:13] <NickDeNeger> no swap must be swap
[17:13] <qwebirc2953> right
[17:13] <qwebirc2953> i found here  ^^
[17:13] <NickDeNeger> y vino but it's not there for xubuntu ^^
[17:13] <SiDi> NickDeNeger: install it ;)
[17:14] <qwebirc2953> now i have:
[17:14] <qwebirc2953> #1 primary 9.5 gb B ntfs
[17:14] <NickDeNeger> y but i hoped to be able to use vnc server but configurating that is... well... like hell ^^
[17:14] <qwebirc2953> #2 primary 4.5 gb      B      f ext4 /
[17:15] <qwebirc2953> #3 primary 510 mb            f           swap      swap
[17:15] <qwebirc2953> #4 primary 5.5 gb            f           ext4       /home
[17:16] <qwebirc2953> writing changes into the disk
[17:17] <qwebirc2953> Now it's istaling the Base System
[17:17] <qwebirc2953> Now it's Installing the Base System
[17:18] <qwebirc2953> 42%....
[17:20] <qwebirc2953> 63%....
[17:21] <SiDi> once its finished, go to grub, and use the option to edit a line
[17:21] <SiDi> (forgot what it is though :/ probably e or ctrl+e)
[17:21] <qwebirc2953> ok
[17:21] <SiDi> and then i'll ask you what the Xubuntu 9.04 line looks like
[17:21] <SiDi> it should be pointing to hd(0,1)
[17:22] <qwebirc2953> 83%
[17:24] <qwebirc2953> 100%
[17:24] <SiDi> 124%
[17:24] <NickDeNeger> +=
[17:24] <NickDeNeger> :+
[17:24] <qwebirc2953> now it's in: Configure the package manager
[17:24] <qwebirc2953> asking for a http proxy.
[17:24] <NickDeNeger> skip that since you have no network
[17:24] <qwebirc2953> i use none. so i will leave black
[17:25] <NickDeNeger> y blank is good
[17:25] <qwebirc2953> configurint apt
[17:25] <qwebirc2953> 100%.
[17:25] <qwebirc2953> now, Select and Install software.
[17:26] <qwebirc2953> "The installation cd does not support for you language.
[17:26] <qwebirc2953> Using english so
[17:26] <qwebirc2953> installing english language pack base
[17:28] <qwebirc2953> now, SoftWare Selection
[17:28] <qwebirc2953> "At the moment, only the core of the system is instaleled.
[17:29] <qwebirc2953> To tune the sistem to you needs, you can choose to instal one or more of the following predefined collections of software"
[17:29] <qwebirc2953> Choose software to instal:
[17:30] <qwebirc2953> [ ] Mail Server
[17:30] <qwebirc2953> [ ] OpenSSH server
[17:30] <qwebirc2953> [ ] print server
[17:30] <qwebirc2953> [ ] samba file server
[17:30] <qwebirc2953> [ ] xubuntu desktop
[17:30] <qwebirc2953> [ ] manual package selection
[17:31] <qwebirc2953> --------- what should i select
[17:31] <NickDeNeger> select xubuntu desktop
[17:31] <qwebirc2953> only?
[17:31] <NickDeNeger> with space
[17:31] <qwebirc2953> only xubuntu?
[17:31] <NickDeNeger> y
[17:31] <qwebirc2953> k
[17:31] <qwebirc2953> installing.......
[17:33] <qwebirc2953> looks like it's is diferrent from the firts instalation
[17:33] <qwebirc2953> first instalation was faster...
[17:33] <qwebirc2953> i selectec xubuntu and samba that time
[17:33] <qwebirc2953> now it's installing more things.
[17:34] <qwebirc2953> mean: more packages
[17:34] <NickDeNeger> y sounds good ^^
[17:34] <qwebirc2953> yes
[17:34] <NickDeNeger> samba is used for windows shares you can install it later on if you need it :)
[17:34] <qwebirc2953> retrieving file 751 of 766
 right
[17:36] <qwebirc2953> i think now it will work.
[17:36] <NickDeNeger> let's hope
[17:36] <qwebirc2953> ;)
[17:37] <qwebirc2953> let me ask you,
[17:37] <qwebirc2953> after installed,
[17:37] <qwebirc2953> where i can find the drivers for the wifi usb stick?
[17:38] <NickDeNeger> probably you don't need any and linux reconizes it itself
[17:38] <NickDeNeger> what branch is it?
[17:38] <qwebirc2953> ;)
[17:38] <NickDeNeger> old thing?
[17:38] <qwebirc2953> no
[17:38] <qwebirc2953> 3 years
[17:38] <qwebirc2953> windows xp can recognize
[17:38] <NickDeNeger> then linux probably supports it ^^
[17:39] <qwebirc2953> i hope
[17:40] <qwebirc2953> i've never used linux before. Decided to start now.
[17:41] <qwebirc2953> let's see what happens.
[17:42] <qwebirc2953> 49%........
[17:42] <NickDeNeger> there is allot of documentation on internet especially for ubuntu
[17:42] <qwebirc2953> yes
[17:42] <qwebirc2953> i'm reading about linux
[17:42] <qwebirc2953> but only now, i got time to try and install it
[17:43] <qwebirc2953> with this old laptop
[17:51] <NickDeNeger> ffs i can setup servers, routers and all different stuff with debian but i can't get the freaking vnc server to work xD
[17:56] <qwebirc2953> 80%........
[18:00] <qwebirc2953> installing grub
[18:00] <qwebirc2953> installation complete
[18:00] <qwebirc2953> time to reboot
[18:01] <NickDeNeger> try
 once its finished, go to grub, and use the option to edit a line
[18:01] <qwebirc2953> [13:25] <SiDi> (forgot what it is though :/ probably e or ctrl+e)
[18:02] <qwebirc2953> right
[18:02] <qwebirc2953> it started the xubuntu logo
[18:03] <NickDeNeger> then it's gonna work ^^
[18:03] <qwebirc2953> it's now asking for my user name
[18:03] <qwebirc2953> but
[18:03] <qwebirc2953> this time
[18:03] <qwebirc2953> in the installation,
[18:03] <qwebirc2953> it didn't ask me for one
[18:03] <NickDeNeger> try user: root
[18:03] <NickDeNeger> hmm nvm is protected
[18:04] <NickDeNeger> you are in a graffical user interface now
[18:04] <qwebirc2953> root     pw black?
[18:04] <NickDeNeger> ?
[18:04] <qwebirc2953> yes
[18:04] <qwebirc2953> GUI
[18:04] <NickDeNeger> y pw is blank but it's blocked (security :p)
[18:05] <qwebirc2953> rigth
[18:05] <qwebirc2953> right
[18:05] <qwebirc2953> any way to create a user now?
[18:06] <NickDeNeger> ehhh yeah but i don't know how exactly...
[18:06] <qwebirc2953> Sidi
[18:06] <NickDeNeger> press ctrl+alt+backspace
[18:06] <NickDeNeger> that should kill the GUI
[18:06] <qwebirc2953> no
[18:06] <qwebirc2953> still in the GUI
[18:07] <SiDi> NickDeNeger: ctrl+alt+backspace is disabled by default
[18:07] <SiDi> Ok, so you're in the blue-ish login window, qwebirc2953 ?
[18:07] <qwebirc2953> yes
[18:07] <NickDeNeger> in 8.10 and early it wasn't i guess?
[18:07] <qwebirc2953> my name is Felipe ^^
[18:08] <SiDi> qwebirc2953: type your username and password then :d
[18:08] <NickDeNeger> the setup didn't ask him for one
[18:08] <NickDeNeger> :p
[18:08] <qwebirc2953> this time, the instalation didn't asked me a user and pw
[18:08] <SiDi> err
[18:08] <SiDi> is that even possible ?
[18:08] <qwebirc2953> any way to create one now?
[18:08] <SiDi> In ubuntu, no :P
[18:09] <SiDi> you can't login as root AT ALL
[18:09] <SiDi> try user ubuntu, password blank
[18:09] <qwebirc2953> :/
[18:09] <SiDi> or user ubuntu, password ubuntu
[18:09] <qwebirc2953> nops
[18:09] <qwebirc2953> i have to install everything again?
[18:09] <NickDeNeger> you can chroot with an backup cd but i don't know how that works exactly
[18:10] <NickDeNeger> SiDi: you can type: sudo passwd
[18:10] <SiDi> NickDeNeger: a backup CD ? :D
[18:10] <SiDi> NickDeNeger: no because he cant type commands at all without having logged in before
[18:10] <SiDi> and you cant login as root in ubuntu
[18:10] <SiDi> apart from sudo su or sudo -s or sudo -i which require to be already logged in as a sudoer
[18:10] <qwebirc2953> really a problem
[18:10] <SiDi> Yes
[18:10] <NickDeNeger> SiDi: yeah but you can enable root when you are in the console...
[18:10] <NickDeNeger> indeed ^^
[18:11] <SiDi> you should ask in #ubuntu-installer how such things can happen qwebirc2953
[18:11] <SiDi> its definately meant to ask for an username
[18:11] <qwebirc2953> right
[18:11] <SiDi> and ask on #linux or #ubuntu how to chroot to an ubuntu install and to create users, but i think it wont be possible :/
[18:11] <qwebirc2953> i had this problem the very firts time i tryed to instal.
[18:11] <NickDeNeger> yeah, but he got some error's when the setup was loading
[18:12] <qwebirc2953> yes
[18:12] <NickDeNeger> probably also the user setup mod failed to load...
[18:12] <qwebirc2953> i entered in the recovery mode
[18:12] <qwebirc2953> and there is an option like this:
[18:12] <qwebirc2953> root:      Drop to root shell prompt
[18:12] <qwebirc2953> can it help
[18:12] <qwebirc2953> ?
[18:12] <NickDeNeger> y
[18:12] <qwebirc2953> rigth
[18:13] <qwebirc2953> right. now i'm on prompt
[18:13] <qwebirc2953> root@ubuntu:~#
[18:14] <SiDi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183782&highlight=user+lost
[18:14] <SiDi> okey
[18:14] <NickDeNeger> type: adduser <username>
[18:14] <SiDi> wait NickDeNeger
[18:14] <SiDi> lets give him all the good options
[18:14] <NickDeNeger> ow don't listen to me
[18:14] <SiDi> he needs an admin account :)
[18:15] <qwebirc2953> ok
[18:16] <SiDi> adduser --system USERNAME
[18:16] <SiDi> The rest should do itself with proper defaults
[18:17] <qwebirc2953> "Adding system user 'felipe' (UID 111)...
[18:18] <qwebirc2953> "Adding system user 'felipe' (UID 111) with group 'nogroup'...
[18:18] <qwebirc2953> Creating home directory '/home/felipe'
[18:18] <qwebirc2953> root@ubuntu:~#
[18:18] <qwebirc2953> did it worked?
[18:18] <SiDi> Yes
[18:18] <SiDi> :)
[18:19] <SiDi> you should be able to login with username = felipe and with whatever password you set
[18:19] <qwebirc2953> let's try
[18:19] <qwebirc2953> ;)
[18:19] <SiDi> it's been hard...
[18:19] <qwebirc2953> yes
[18:19] <NickDeNeger> if everything works it would be easier :p
[18:20] <qwebirc2953> really hard for the first time.
[18:20] <qwebirc2953> Everyone says the first time is harder.......
[18:20] <qwebirc2953> ;P
[18:20] <SiDi> The first time is easier when you can boot on CD / USB :P
[18:20] <qwebirc2953> yes
[18:20] <qwebirc2953> but...
[18:20] <SiDi> have a look at installs via bootp next time ^^
[18:20] <qwebirc2953> it didn't worked
[18:20] <qwebirc2953> incorrect user ow pw
[18:21] <qwebirc2953> or pw
[18:21] <SiDi> >_>
[18:21]  * SiDi thinks about keyboard layout issues
[18:21] <_Pete_> SiDi: did you expect adduser --system to add user with sudo privileges etc?
[18:21] <qwebirc2953> us layout
[18:21] <SiDi> _Pete_: kind of :P
[18:22] <_Pete_> it's not like that
[18:23] <qwebirc2953> should i try to reinstal?
[18:24] <SiDi_> okey
[18:24] <SiDi_> i read the man entirely
[18:24] <SiDi_> and i was totally wrong ! :D
[18:25] <SiDi_> So, the command was adduser --ingroup admin felipe
[18:25] <SiDi_> sorry, qwebirc2953 :|
[18:26] <SiDi_> _Pete_: thanks
[18:26] <qwebirc2953> no problem
[18:26] <SiDi_> qwebirc2953: you'll have to remove the user before adding it again of course
[18:26] <qwebirc2953> how to remove?
[18:26] <SiDi_> userdel felipe
[18:26] <qwebirc2953> k
[18:27] <qwebirc2953> should i type     passwd username   after to set a pw?
[18:28] <SiDi_> it should ask for the password
[18:28] <SiDi_> but type that it it forgets too
[18:29] <qwebirc2953> Asked for a pw
[18:29] <qwebirc2953> Full Name: Felipe
[18:29] <qwebirc2953> Room Name []:   ???
[18:30] <qwebirc2953> It also sayd that /home/felipe already exists and doesn't belong to the user i'm creating.
[18:30] <qwebirc2953> What is Room Name [ ] : ?
[18:30] <qwebirc2953> Room Number
[18:30] <qwebirc2953> sorry... it's Room Number
[18:33] <qwebirc2953> i leave in blank
[18:33] <qwebirc2953> it says now:
[18:33] <qwebirc2953> chfn: invalid name '
[18:33] <qwebirc2953> "adduser: '/usr/bin/chfn felipe' returned error code 1. Existing."
[18:36] <qwebirc2953> it worked
[18:36] <qwebirc2953> \o/
[18:37] <qwebirc2953> thank you SiDi, NickDeNeger
[18:38] <NickDeNeger> np
[18:39] <qwebirc2953> but
[18:39] <qwebirc2953> how i can see if it recognizes my wifi stick?
[18:40] <NickDeNeger> on the right top you see 2 computers
[18:40] <NickDeNeger> in 1 icon
[18:40] <qwebirc2953> y
[18:40] <qwebirc2953> no networks
[18:41] <NickDeNeger> go to console type: ifconfig
[18:41] <NickDeNeger> applications >> accessories >> terminal
[18:41] <qwebirc2953> ok
[18:42] <NickDeNeger> does it say wlan0 or ath0 or something at all?
[18:42] <qwebirc2953> no
[18:42] <NickDeNeger> hmm type: lsusb
[18:42] <NickDeNeger> this will list all usb devices
[18:43] <qwebirc2953> yes
[18:43] <NickDeNeger> is your network adapter somewhere in there?
[18:43] <NickDeNeger> sec ordering food
[18:44] <qwebirc2953> Bus 001 Device 002: Id: 0457:0162 Silicon Integrated System Corp. SiS162 usb Wireless LAN Adapter
[18:44] <qwebirc2953> Bus 001 Device 001: Id: 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[18:44] <qwebirc2953> that's all
[18:46] <qwebirc2953> did it recognized the wifi adapter?
[18:48] <qwebirc2953> ?
[18:48] <NickDeNeger> wireless lan adapter is your adapter so it does find it
[18:48] <NickDeNeger> do you know your wireless network name out of your head?
[18:48] <NickDeNeger> and the password?
[18:48] <qwebirc2953> yes
[18:48] <NickDeNeger> k
[18:49] <qwebirc2953> what should i do now to add the conection?
[18:49] <NickDeNeger> then type in your terminal: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[18:49] <qwebirc2953> k
[18:50] <qwebirc2953> felipe is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
[18:50] <NickDeNeger> hmm crap
[18:50] <NickDeNeger> try: su
[18:50] <NickDeNeger> and blank password
[18:50] <_Pete_> wont work
[18:51] <NickDeNeger> trying never hurts :p
[18:51] <qwebirc2953> su: authentication failure
[18:51] <NickDeNeger> hmm then you got to get back in the recovery mode
[18:51] <NickDeNeger> and add felipe to the sudo users
[18:52] <NickDeNeger> although i don't know how to do that sec ^^ searching
[18:52] <qwebirc2953> hum.
[18:53] <qwebirc2953> ok NickDeNeger. I have to go now. Will be back onother time.
[18:53] <qwebirc2953> I even dont know how to thank you
[18:54] <qwebirc2953> Thank you alot
[18:54] <qwebirc2953> SiDi and Pete
[18:54] <NickDeNeger> k bye
[18:54] <NickDeNeger> goodluck
[18:58] <qwebirc2953> thank you
[19:01] <SiDi_> its in the group admin ?
[19:01] <SiDi_> if so it should be in sudoers x_x
[19:02] <SiDi_> (at this stage, boot as root from the recovery console, and set a password to root... and login as root and create an admin account with the graphical utility x_x)
[19:03] <NickDeNeger> y or just at felipe to the admin group from the root recovery console
[19:20] <NickDeNeger> wh000t it worked! xD
[19:20] <NickDeNeger> got vnc \o/
[19:20] <SiDi_> :P
[19:26] <NickDeNeger> can you try one thing for me? type in console: vncviewer ownage4u.nl:0
[19:26] <NickDeNeger> i guess it's open for all :/
[19:26] <NickDeNeger> which is not what i want :p
[19:32] <NickDeNeger> nvm
[21:10] <KittyKatt> If I wanted to find the file that xfce4-panel stores the entries for the Applications menu in, where would it be?
[21:11] <TheSheep> KittyKatt: /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[21:11] <KittyKatt> Thanks.
[21:11] <TheSheep> KittyKatt: also ~/.local/share/applications, if you want to override something
[21:12] <TheSheep> KittyKatt: the sepcification is here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/menu-spec
[21:26] <KittyKatt> Alright...so, I was using fortunes at the startup of my terminal just fine until a few minutes ago.
[21:26] <KittyKatt> It's now outputting this instead of fortunes...
[21:26] <KittyKatt> Command 'fortune' is available in '/usr/games/fortune'
[21:26] <KittyKatt> The command could not be located because '/usr/games' is not included in the PATH environment variable.
[21:26] <KittyKatt> bash: fortune: command not found
[21:26] <KittyKatt> Any ideas?
[21:27] <_Pete_> in script accesss it with full path as the error suggests: /usr/games/fortune
[21:28] <KittyKatt> I don't know where I input it to do that, though...
[21:28] <KittyKatt> >_<
[21:28] <KittyKatt> I checked .bashrc
[21:29] <KittyKatt> Thanks.
[21:55] <dgpj> new to xbuntu...very much enjoying! how do I turn on my wireless card on my laptop?
[21:59] <SiDi> By giving me more than three minutes to answer. :(
[22:00] <NickDeNeger> lol
[22:50] <Chymera> hi, I'm using xfce and I would like to assign my multimedia volume keys to change the master volume of my entire computer
[22:51] <Chymera> how could I do that?
[22:55] <KittyKatt> [AmsG] I'll be back on tonight...gotta go for now. seeya
[23:26] <SiDi_> Chymera: heya
[23:26] <SiDi_> please checkout lp:~sidi/xfce4-volumed/jaunty
[23:27] <SiDi_> (otherwise you can manually set the shortcuts as explained in http://open.knome.fi/2009/07/05/panels-disappearing-and-other-frequently-asked-questions/)
[23:27] <Chymera> yup, I'm looking into volumed already.... seems kinda messy though
[23:27] <SiDi_> What seems messy ?
[23:35] <Chymera> I had to unmask some stuff to get it running, usually this isn't a good sign
[23:38] <SiDi_> Chymera: what did you have to do exactly ?
[23:42] <Chymera> write the packaage names in /etc/package.unmask - anyway, no matter, how do I start it?
[23:43] <Chymera> SiDi_: ?
[23:50] <nicklas_> yo