| alourie | good morning | 06:52 |
|---|---|---|
| mac_v | DanRabbit: hmm... why does the spinner jump? | 06:58 |
| * mac_v thinks he is biased ;p | 06:58 | |
| DanRabbit | Because the animation finishes one frame too short | 06:58 |
| DanRabbit | I need to readjust it | 06:58 |
| mac_v | also the fading lines are a bit blurry | 06:59 |
| DanRabbit | feel free to tweak away :) | 07:00 |
| mac_v | thats the problems with the lines being prominent , we really cant do much , if there are so many lines at those angles they end up blurred :( | 07:01 |
| mac_v | we have to blame pixel restrictions! | 07:01 |
| DanRabbit | yea | 07:02 |
| DanRabbit | I'd rather have the applet render it's own spinner in cairo | 07:02 |
| DanRabbit | then it'd just be pretty and I wouldn't have to draw anything | 07:03 |
| mac_v | ;p | 07:03 |
| DanRabbit | :) | 07:03 |
| * mac_v tries to convince DanRabbit that the scan idea is a simpler solution ;) | 07:03 | |
| DanRabbit | hehe | 07:04 |
| DanRabbit | but, this is prettier :) | 07:04 |
| mac_v | hehe | 07:04 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: i'll try to fix this bug > Bug #404486 , i'll see if it can be done in similar style as humanity, and push to UNR ? | 07:11 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 404486 in humanity "xdg Folder Icons are similar to mime/action icons" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404486 | 07:11 |
| DanRabbit | sure | 07:11 |
| mac_v | :) | 07:11 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: so far how many icons have you done in 64px? | 07:13 |
| DanRabbit | lol | 07:13 |
| DanRabbit | 0 | 07:13 |
| DanRabbit | I've been out all day :D | 07:13 |
| mac_v | if you push whats been done i could do remaining | 07:13 |
| mac_v | ;p | 07:13 |
| DanRabbit | everythings pushed :) | 07:15 |
| DanRabbit | I haven't done anything else | 07:15 |
| alourie | can I ask ayatana's design question? | 07:20 |
| alourie | how would application appear in MI ? Would it have to "register" somehow? | 07:24 |
| mac_v | alourie: tedg /kenvandine are the people best to answer that , they probably work on UTC workhrs | 07:34 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: just pushed a couple of simple ones , check them out :) , if thats ok , rest follow | 07:34 |
| alourie | mac_v: thanks | 07:36 |
| alourie | mac_v: and who should I talk to about more generic concept idea? | 07:36 |
| mac_v | alourie: check the "messaging menu" wiki ,AFAIK there is no actual procedure needed for an app , BTW which app are you planning to do? | 07:37 |
| mac_v | for the MI | 07:37 |
| mac_v | alourie: all the requirements are in place... only the apps need to use it | 07:38 |
| alourie | mac_v: well, I was following all the thread about the MI which celeste began | 07:38 |
| alourie | and I had an idea | 07:38 |
| mac_v | ah ;) | 07:39 |
| alourie | which may, sort of, resolve some of that | 07:39 |
| alourie | but maybe I don't understand the design correctly, that's why I wanted to ask you guys | 07:40 |
| mac_v | alourie: whats the idea? :) | 07:40 |
| DanRabbit | okay, let me pull | 07:41 |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: sexy :D | 07:42 |
| mac_v | :) | 07:42 |
| DanRabbit | I'd probably concentrate on icons that are going to be seen most in Netbook Launcher | 07:42 |
| mac_v | aernt the app / places icons required only for 64px? | 07:43 |
| DanRabbit | so, the categories, apps, folders | 07:43 |
| mac_v | ;) | 07:43 |
| DanRabbit | :) | 07:43 |
| alourie | mac_v: ok, hold on :-) | 07:44 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: categories , awesome \o/ , that would be useful ... i was in process of making an icon for Software store , and system crashed and lost the whole thing , so categories are coming first ;) | 07:46 |
| DanRabbit | aww... | 07:46 |
| DanRabbit | I'm sorry :( | 07:46 |
| mac_v | serves me right for doing "work" on a alpha ;p | 07:47 |
| mac_v | an* | 07:47 |
| alourie | mac_v: I thought, that there was so much talk about having or not having a launcher for specific app in MI, for example Evolution | 07:47 |
| alourie | mac_v: with the idea, that 1. If it is running, then I will see notifications, and 2. if it is not running I could launch it | 07:48 |
| alourie | but then | 07:48 |
| alourie | mac_v: do I have to "run" an email client to know I have messages? | 07:50 |
| alourie | mac_v: of course not | 07:50 |
| * mac_v nods | 07:50 | |
| alourie | mac_v: so what if ayatana (or MI) specifically would implement sort of a system-wide library | 07:50 |
| alourie | mac_v: for collecting my "messaging" information, and rely on it to "show" it to me in MI | 07:51 |
| alourie | and then, if I decide, I will click on that - and an appropriate applciation will be launched | 07:51 |
| alourie | thus, I separate messages from applications that handle them | 07:52 |
| mac_v | its that similar to a blacklist? | 07:52 |
| alourie | oh no | 07:52 |
| mac_v | or whitelist ;p | 07:52 |
| alourie | it like a generic infrastructure for collecting stuff that I care about | 07:52 |
| alourie | for instance | 07:52 |
| alourie | I use sort of a generic system tool to define my gmail account | 07:53 |
| alourie | and couple of other email accounts | 07:53 |
| alourie | and identica | 07:53 |
| alourie | and twitter | 07:53 |
| alourie | and jabber | 07:53 |
| alourie | and anything else | 07:53 |
| alourie | mac_v: when something happens there, MI will show a notification | 07:54 |
| alourie | I click on gmail - a browser will open | 07:54 |
| alourie | I click on email message - default email client will take care of that | 07:54 |
| mac_v | hmm... | 07:54 |
| alourie | twitter/identica - taken by gwibber/or any other client | 07:54 |
| alourie | I just though that libraries that can do that already developed, just not glued together to infrastructure... | 07:55 |
| mac_v | alourie: i think you should send this to the ML , so others can read about it too | 07:56 |
| alourie | yea? | 07:56 |
| mac_v | i dont seem to understand it fully :( | 07:56 |
| alourie | hm | 07:56 |
| alourie | that's what I said, maybe we're thinking about it from different perspectives? | 07:57 |
| mac_v | from what you mention that is exactly what is planned for the MI , [thats what i understood] | 07:57 |
| mac_v | MI displays the apps , clicking on them takes them to the main app | 07:58 |
| mac_v | takes user* | 07:58 |
| mac_v | you also mention a libraries , which is similar to the blcaklist/whitelist they are planning to offer | 07:59 |
| * mac_v needs to get the upstream version and check out the progress ;) | 08:00 | |
| mac_v | alourie: if what if understood is different from what you mention , if you send it to the ML , others might understand better | 08:03 |
| alourie | mac_v: so MI would display apps, .... this is not exactly what I had in mind. I though more about context, not apps | 08:03 |
| alourie | so not "Evolution, Gwibber, ..." but "Email, Twitter, Identica" | 08:03 |
| mac_v | alourie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu | 08:04 |
| alourie | mac_v: thanks | 08:04 |
| mac_v | oh you mean like that, | 08:04 |
| alourie | mac_v: yes | 08:04 |
| mac_v | hmm... thats interesting :) | 08:04 |
| alourie | disconnect the idea of notification from the application that handles the content | 08:05 |
| mac_v | when you send a mail to ML dont forget to mention this> <alourie> so not "Evolution, Gwibber, ..." but "Email, Twitter, Identica | 08:05 |
| alourie | ok :-) | 08:05 |
| mac_v | alourie: so if i have 2 email clients? | 08:06 |
| mac_v | right now i use both evol and thunderbird | 08:06 |
| alourie | mac_v: but for different things, right? | 08:06 |
| mac_v | no for mail , thunderbird since it supports webmail | 08:06 |
| alourie | yes, for mail, but for different items, right? | 08:07 |
| mac_v | yup | 08:07 |
| mac_v | different acounts | 08:07 |
| alourie | so it should be possible to set which app will handle specific item (or group of items) in MI | 08:07 |
| alourie | what if I have different clients for twitter and identica? :-) | 08:08 |
| alourie | the same thing | 08:08 |
| mac_v | yeah | 08:08 |
| mac_v | alourie: that would complicate the process a bit , but its a nice idea to rename the app names with generic names :) | 08:09 |
| alourie | I agree that this may need a little bit of work on details, but now you already asking me questions that sort of "implementation" ones...I just thought about this as a generic concept. ...:-) | 08:09 |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: I'm off to bed. Sorry I didn't get much done today :/ | 08:10 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: ;) | 08:10 |
| mac_v | alourie: sure the generic idea , is really nice , users dont need to necessarily know the name of the app | 08:10 |
| mac_v | but just what they are doing | 08:11 |
| alourie | mac_v: and majority of users probably won't have 2 email clients for different accounts either :-) | 08:11 |
| mac_v | hehe ;p | 08:11 |
| mac_v | alourie: you can post the idea on the wiki comments page too | 08:12 |
| alourie | mac_v: is it getting read? | 08:12 |
| mac_v | mpt does read and respond | 08:12 |
| alourie | I can probably do both | 08:12 |
| alourie | ML and wiki | 08:13 |
| mac_v | yeah | 08:13 |
| alourie | so I will work a bit on the abstract of this. Should I try to work out technical details before posting, or leave it completely as a concept? | 08:14 |
| mac_v | alourie: hmm... it would be better if you presented the idea without loop holes , else you'd get replies for others , like how i asked what if i'm running 2 apps ;p | 08:25 |
| mac_v | from* | 08:25 |
| alourie | mac_v: so, the more resolved issues upfront, the better .... :-) | 08:26 |
| mac_v | yup | 08:26 |
| alourie | ok | 08:26 |
| alourie | mac_v: thanks a lot, you helped me refine this and get the nurv to post to ML :-) | 08:27 |
| mac_v | alourie: np :) | 08:27 |
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| tgpraveen | when will empathy get messaging indicator support? | 18:52 |
| SiDi | tgpraveen: the day after karmic's release ? :p | 19:28 |
| tgpraveen | :'( | 19:29 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: check the start-here... | 21:01 |
| DanRabbit | in unr? | 21:07 |
| mac_v | yeah | 21:08 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: i did the 64 px , just check if it looks fine | 21:09 |
| DanRabbit | yea, looks great :) | 21:11 |
| DanRabbit | want to add it in, or want me to? | 21:11 |
| mac_v | to humanity? | 21:11 |
| DanRabbit | yea | 21:11 |
| DanRabbit | I'll do it, I'm already almost done doing it :p | 21:12 |
| mac_v | i'm doing another icon now,... so maybe after a few more we coudl add them | 21:12 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: sure | 21:12 |
| DanRabbit | be back in a bit :) | 21:14 |
| mrooney | mac_v: ooh, I didn't know you did art? | 21:18 |
| mac_v | hehe ;) | 21:18 |
| mrooney | working on a specific set or project? | 21:19 |
| mac_v | mrooney: right now , humanity | 21:20 |
| mrooney | ah cool, I should check that out | 21:21 |
| mrooney | I have heard good things | 21:21 |
| mac_v | just did a couple of small icons for app store until kwwii ripped my idea for the main icon ;p | 21:21 |
| mrooney | hm humanity 0.2 seems to have been uploaded with a .bzr directory | 21:23 |
| mac_v | o.0 | 21:24 |
| mrooney | http://edge.launchpad.net/humanity/0.2/0.2/+download/humanity.tar.gz | 21:26 |
| DanRabbit | mrooney: that was my bad! | 21:28 |
| mrooney | bzr export :) | 21:28 |
| DanRabbit | I'll put another release in just a little bit that will be fixed ;) | 21:28 |
| DanRabbit | Yea, I didn't know about that | 21:28 |
| DanRabbit | I got an email from a packager saying "Jesus H Christ you make my life hard!" | 21:29 |
| mrooney | haha | 21:29 |
| mrooney | because of the .bzr? | 21:29 |
| DanRabbit | yea among other things :D | 21:29 |
| mrooney | :) | 21:29 |
| mac_v | lol | 21:30 |
| DanRabbit | can somebody count to 3 and then ping me? | 21:31 |
| SiDi | ping | 21:32 |
| SiDi | DanRabbit: ^ | 21:32 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: | 21:32 |
| DanRabbit | thanks :) | 21:32 |
| DanRabbit | mac_v: have you pulled humanity with the new notification-im ? | 21:32 |
| * mac_v checking | 21:33 | |
| SiDi | mrooney: i received some wxbanker bugmail a few days ago :D | 21:33 |
| SiDi | How is 0.6 coming ? :P | 21:33 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: hehe , you made a symlink ;) | 21:34 |
| DanRabbit | yep :D | 21:34 |
| mac_v | nice | 21:34 |
| DanRabbit | it might need a little bit of tweaking actually... | 21:34 |
| DanRabbit | so, I might end up making a "new" icon | 21:35 |
| mac_v | yeah | 21:35 |
| DanRabbit | but for now | 21:35 |
| DanRabbit | consistency :) | 21:35 |
| mrooney | SiDi: pretty good, recurring transactions are working, a bunch of other improvements. Now I am trying to figure out how to use gtk theme colors for some things, but having trouble grabbing them | 21:38 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: is it really necessary to save the files as Plain svg? | 21:38 |
| DanRabbit | It helps with file size | 21:38 |
| mac_v | eeeh , i have to go to "save as" ;p | 21:39 |
| DanRabbit | it may not seem like a big deal | 21:39 |
| DanRabbit | but look at how small humanity is compared to other icon sets :) | 21:39 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: is there a preference where i can change the default in inkscape? | 21:40 |
| DanRabbit | I'm not sure | 21:40 |
| DanRabbit | that would be helpful though, wouldn't it :D | 21:40 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: yeah... everytime i'm having to save then again i have to cancel the close without saving | 21:40 |
| DanRabbit | Well, my usual save process is kind of long. | 21:41 |
| DanRabbit | open new window, cut and paste in place in the new document (this shaves off little things like gradients we didn't use), save as plain svg | 21:42 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: yeah , i would expect ... you go out of your way to make all icons executables ;p | 21:42 |
| DanRabbit | ah, they shouldn't be | 21:42 |
| DanRabbit | I don't know why it does it :( | 21:42 |
| DanRabbit | I always have to go back and change it | 21:42 |
| SiDi | mrooney: wxwidgets is quite evil for that :/ | 21:43 |
| mrooney | haha yeah, I may have to send a mailing list email and see if there is a good way | 21:43 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: man redoing the icons in 64px is not as easy i thought it would be :( | 21:46 |
| DanRabbit | it's very time consuming to scale icons | 21:46 |
| DanRabbit | That's why a lot of them haven't been done | 21:46 |
| mac_v | have to scale... align | 21:46 |
| DanRabbit | they are still changing so much, I don't want to scale anything that isn't practically perfect :) | 21:47 |
| mac_v | first figure out how it was done! | 21:47 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: sometimes you have grouped the objects , i have to break them and redo some of it ;p , almost like doing a new icon | 21:49 |
| DanRabbit | I'm sorry :( | 21:49 |
| mac_v | ;p | 21:49 |
| * mac_v wonders if DanRabbit has OCD | 21:52 | |
| DanRabbit | haha | 21:52 |
| DanRabbit | why is that? | 21:52 |
| mac_v | your save routine... ;p | 21:53 |
| DanRabbit | lol | 21:53 |
| DanRabbit | I just want to shave off as much file size as possible :D | 21:53 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: you could just use the vacuum defs | 21:54 |
| DanRabbit | it doesn't get it all | 21:54 |
| mac_v | yeah it needs to be done 2/3 times | 21:54 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/425935 | 22:01 |
| mac_v | hehe we have that covered \o/ | 22:01 |
| DanRabbit | :D | 22:02 |
| DanRabbit | seriously, they should just hire us | 22:02 |
| DanRabbit | so many bugs we fixed | 22:02 |
| DanRabbit | so many papercuts | 22:02 |
| DanRabbit | Humanity solves so many problems | 22:02 |
| DanRabbit | I hate that they assign the priority "Wishlist" | 22:03 |
| mac_v | !bot | 22:03 |
| mac_v | !ping | 22:03 |
| mac_v | bot is sleeping :( | 22:03 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 425935 in network-manager "[Karmic] ugly ethernet Icon" [Wishlist,New] | 22:04 |
| ubot4 | Hi! I'm #ayatana's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 22:04 |
| ubot4 | pong! | 22:04 |
| DanRabbit | haha | 22:04 |
| DanRabbit | hella late :) | 22:04 |
| DanRabbit | !bot you are so slow | 22:04 |
| ubot4 | DanRabbit: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 22:04 |
| DanRabbit | I know... I shouldn't assume | 22:05 |
| DanRabbit | takes a lot of brainpower huh, !bot ? | 22:05 |
| * DanRabbit likes to mess with the bott | 22:06 | |
| DanRabbit | bot* | 22:06 |
| mac_v | !something | 22:09 |
| ubot4 | Factoid 'something' not found | 22:09 |
| mac_v | !anything | 22:10 |
| ubot4 | So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone. | 22:10 |
| mac_v | !helping humans | 22:10 |
| ubot4 | Factoid 'helping humans' not found | 22:10 |
| mac_v | ah! they changed it :( | 22:10 |
| DanRabbit | lol | 22:10 |
| DanRabbit | !flying spaghetti monster | 22:12 |
| ubot4 | DanRabbit: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 22:12 |
| DanRabbit | !bot flying spaghetti monster is the one true god, creator of all that is good. | 22:13 |
| ubot4 | DanRabbit: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 22:13 |
| DanRabbit | ah, you can't teach this one :( | 22:14 |
| mac_v | we'd probably get warned for bot abuse ;p | 22:14 |
| mac_v | !bot abuse | 22:14 |
| ubot4 | Please don't play with the bots, or else... Also see !behaviour and !msgthebot | 22:14 |
| mac_v | lol | 22:14 |
| DanRabbit | !msgtgebot | 22:15 |
| ubot4 | Factoid 'msgtgebot' not found | 22:15 |
| DanRabbit | oops | 22:15 |
| DanRabbit | !msgthebot | 22:15 |
| ubot4 | Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". | 22:15 |
| DanRabbit | !behaviour | 22:16 |
| ubot4 | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | 22:16 |
| DanRabbit | well, that's very business like... | 22:16 |
| DanRabbit | !bot I like SuperSpace better than you. he's a lot smarter... | 22:16 |
| ubot4 | DanRabbit: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 22:16 |
| DanRabbit | alright, I'm done. back to work. | 22:17 |
| mac_v | DanRabbit: what happened to UNR? i get it as not a branch | 22:29 |
| DanRabbit | did you just do a bzr pull or bzr pull humanity-unr ? | 22:30 |
| mac_v | pull | 22:30 |
| DanRabbit | try the latter | 22:30 |
| DanRabbit | that happened to me to | 22:30 |
| DanRabbit | too* | 22:30 |
| mac_v | nope same error :( | 22:30 |
| mac_v | must be bzr is down | 22:31 |
| DanRabbit | bummer | 22:31 |
| mac_v | \o/ | 22:32 |
| mac_v | |.| | 22:32 |
| mac_v | /'\ | 22:32 |
| DanRabbit | lol | 22:32 |
| DanRabbit | ? | 22:32 |
| DanRabbit | you win? | 22:32 |
| mac_v | just fooling around untillbzr gets fixed | 22:32 |
| mac_v | \o_ | 22:33 |
| mac_v | |.| | 22:33 |
| mac_v | /.| | 22:33 |
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