[06:52] <alourie> good morning
[06:58] <mac_v> DanRabbit: hmm... why does the spinner jump?
[06:58]  * mac_v thinks he is biased ;p
[06:58] <DanRabbit> Because the animation finishes one frame too short
[06:58] <DanRabbit> I need to readjust it
[06:59] <mac_v> also the fading lines are a bit blurry
[07:00] <DanRabbit> feel free to tweak away :)
[07:01] <mac_v> thats the problems with the lines being prominent , we really cant do much , if there are so many lines at those angles they end up blurred :(
[07:01] <mac_v> we have to blame pixel restrictions!
[07:02] <DanRabbit> yea
[07:02] <DanRabbit> I'd rather have the applet render it's own spinner in cairo
[07:03] <DanRabbit> then it'd just be pretty and I wouldn't have to draw anything
[07:03] <mac_v> ;p
[07:03] <DanRabbit> :)
[07:03]  * mac_v tries to convince DanRabbit that the scan idea is a simpler solution ;)
[07:04] <DanRabbit> hehe
[07:04] <DanRabbit> but, this is prettier :)
[07:04] <mac_v> hehe
[07:11] <mac_v> DanRabbit: i'll try to fix this bug > Bug #404486 , i'll see if it can be done in similar style as humanity, and push to UNR ?
[07:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 404486 in humanity "xdg Folder Icons are similar to mime/action icons" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404486
[07:11] <DanRabbit> sure
[07:11] <mac_v> :)
[07:13] <mac_v> DanRabbit: so far how many icons have you done in 64px?
[07:13] <DanRabbit> lol
[07:13] <DanRabbit> 0
[07:13] <DanRabbit> I've been out all day :D
[07:13] <mac_v> if you push whats been done i could do remaining
[07:13] <mac_v> ;p
[07:15] <DanRabbit> everythings pushed :)
[07:15] <DanRabbit> I haven't done anything else
[07:20] <alourie> can I ask ayatana's design question?
[07:24] <alourie> how would application appear in MI ? Would it have to "register" somehow?
[07:34] <mac_v> alourie: tedg /kenvandine are the people best to answer that , they probably work on UTC workhrs
[07:34] <mac_v> DanRabbit: just pushed a couple of simple ones , check them out :) , if thats ok , rest follow
[07:36] <alourie> mac_v: thanks
[07:36] <alourie> mac_v: and who should I talk to about more generic concept idea?
[07:37] <mac_v> alourie: check the "messaging menu" wiki ,AFAIK there is no actual procedure needed for an app  , BTW which app are you planning to do?
[07:37] <mac_v> for the MI
[07:38] <mac_v> alourie: all the requirements are in place... only the apps need to use it
[07:38] <alourie> mac_v: well, I was following all the thread about the MI which celeste began
[07:38] <alourie> and I had an idea
[07:39] <mac_v> ah ;)
[07:39] <alourie> which may, sort of, resolve some of that
[07:40] <alourie> but maybe I don't understand the design correctly, that's why I wanted to ask you guys
[07:40] <mac_v> alourie: whats the idea? :)
[07:41] <DanRabbit> okay, let me pull
[07:42] <DanRabbit> mac_v: sexy :D
[07:42] <mac_v> :)
[07:42] <DanRabbit> I'd probably concentrate on icons that are going to be seen most in Netbook Launcher
[07:43] <mac_v> aernt the app / places icons required only for 64px?
[07:43] <DanRabbit> so, the categories, apps, folders
[07:43] <mac_v> ;)
[07:43] <DanRabbit> :)
[07:44] <alourie> mac_v: ok, hold on :-)
[07:46] <mac_v> DanRabbit: categories , awesome \o/ , that would be useful ... i was in process of making an icon for Software store , and system crashed and lost the whole thing , so categories are coming first ;)
[07:46] <DanRabbit> aww...
[07:46] <DanRabbit> I'm sorry :(
[07:47] <mac_v> serves me right for doing "work" on a alpha ;p
[07:47] <mac_v> an*
[07:47] <alourie> mac_v: I thought, that there was so much talk about having or not having a launcher for specific app in MI, for example Evolution
[07:48] <alourie> mac_v: with the idea, that 1. If it is running, then I will see notifications, and 2. if it is not running I could launch it
[07:48] <alourie> but then
[07:50] <alourie> mac_v: do I have to "run" an email client to know I have messages?
[07:50] <alourie> mac_v: of course not
[07:50]  * mac_v nods
[07:50] <alourie> mac_v: so what if ayatana (or MI) specifically would implement sort of a system-wide library
[07:51] <alourie> mac_v: for collecting my "messaging" information, and rely on it to "show" it to me in MI
[07:51] <alourie> and then, if I decide, I will click on that - and an appropriate applciation will be launched
[07:52] <alourie> thus, I separate messages from applications that handle them
[07:52] <mac_v> its that similar to a blacklist?
[07:52] <alourie> oh no
[07:52] <mac_v> or whitelist ;p
[07:52] <alourie> it like a generic infrastructure for collecting stuff that I care about
[07:52] <alourie> for instance
[07:53] <alourie> I use sort of a generic system tool to define my gmail account
[07:53] <alourie> and couple of other email accounts
[07:53] <alourie> and identica
[07:53] <alourie> and twitter
[07:53] <alourie> and jabber
[07:53] <alourie> and anything else
[07:54] <alourie> mac_v: when something happens there, MI will show a notification
[07:54] <alourie> I click on gmail - a browser will open
[07:54] <alourie> I click on email message - default email client will take care of that
[07:54] <mac_v> hmm...
[07:54] <alourie> twitter/identica - taken by gwibber/or any other client
[07:55] <alourie> I just though that libraries that can do that already developed, just not glued together to infrastructure...
[07:56] <mac_v> alourie: i think you should send this to the ML , so others can read about it too
[07:56] <alourie> yea?
[07:56] <mac_v> i dont seem to understand it fully :(
[07:56] <alourie> hm
[07:57] <alourie> that's what I said, maybe we're thinking about it from different perspectives?
[07:57] <mac_v> from what you mention that is exactly what is planned for the MI , [thats what i understood]
[07:58] <mac_v> MI displays the apps , clicking on them takes them to the main app
[07:58] <mac_v> takes user*
[07:59] <mac_v> you also mention a libraries , which is similar to the blcaklist/whitelist they are planning to offer
[08:00]  * mac_v needs to get the upstream version and check out the progress ;)
[08:03] <mac_v> alourie: if what if understood is different from what you mention , if you send it to the ML , others might understand better
[08:03] <alourie> mac_v: so MI would display apps, .... this is not exactly what I had in mind. I though more about context, not apps
[08:03] <alourie> so not "Evolution, Gwibber, ..." but "Email, Twitter, Identica"
[08:04] <mac_v> alourie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu
[08:04] <alourie> mac_v: thanks
[08:04] <mac_v> oh you mean like that, 
[08:04] <alourie> mac_v: yes
[08:04] <mac_v> hmm... thats interesting :)
[08:05] <alourie> disconnect the idea of notification from the application that handles the content
[08:05] <mac_v> when you send a mail to ML dont forget to mention this> <alourie> so not "Evolution, Gwibber, ..." but "Email, Twitter, Identica
[08:05] <alourie> ok :-)
[08:06] <mac_v> alourie: so if i have 2 email clients?
[08:06] <mac_v> right now i use both evol and thunderbird
[08:06] <alourie> mac_v: but for different things, right?
[08:06] <mac_v> no for mail , thunderbird since it supports webmail
[08:07] <alourie> yes, for mail, but for different items, right?
[08:07] <mac_v> yup
[08:07] <mac_v> different acounts
[08:07] <alourie> so it should be possible to set which app will handle specific item (or group of items) in MI
[08:08] <alourie> what if I have different clients for twitter and identica? :-)
[08:08] <alourie> the same thing
[08:08] <mac_v> yeah
[08:09] <mac_v> alourie: that would complicate the process a bit , but its a nice idea to rename the app names with generic names :)
[08:09] <alourie> I agree that this may need a little bit of work on details, but now you already asking me questions that sort of "implementation" ones...I just thought about this as a generic concept. ...:-)
[08:10] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I'm off to bed. Sorry I didn't get much done today :/
[08:10] <mac_v> DanRabbit: ;)
[08:10] <mac_v> alourie: sure the generic idea , is really nice , users dont need to necessarily know the name of the app
[08:11] <mac_v> but just what they are doing
[08:11] <alourie> mac_v: and majority of users probably won't have 2 email clients for different accounts either :-)
[08:11] <mac_v> hehe ;p
[08:12] <mac_v> alourie: you can post the idea on the wiki comments page too
[08:12] <alourie> mac_v: is it getting read?
[08:12] <mac_v> mpt does read and respond 
[08:12] <alourie> I can probably do both
[08:13] <alourie> ML and wiki
[08:13] <mac_v> yeah
[08:14] <alourie> so I will work a bit on the abstract of this. Should I try to work out technical details before posting, or leave it completely as a concept?
[08:25] <mac_v> alourie: hmm... it would be better if you presented the idea without loop holes , else you'd get replies for others , like how i asked what if i'm running 2 apps ;p
[08:25] <mac_v> from*
[08:26] <alourie> mac_v: so, the more resolved issues upfront, the better .... :-)
[08:26] <mac_v> yup 
[08:26] <alourie> ok
[08:27] <alourie> mac_v: thanks a lot, you helped me refine this and get the nurv to post to ML :-)
[08:27] <mac_v> alourie: np :)
[18:52] <tgpraveen> when will empathy get messaging indicator support?
[19:28] <SiDi> tgpraveen: the day after karmic's release ? :p
[19:29] <tgpraveen> :'(
[21:01] <mac_v> DanRabbit: check the start-here... 
[21:07] <DanRabbit> in unr?
[21:08] <mac_v> yeah
[21:09] <mac_v> DanRabbit: i did the 64 px , just check if it looks fine
[21:11] <DanRabbit> yea, looks great :)
[21:11] <DanRabbit> want to add it in, or want me to?
[21:11] <mac_v> to humanity?
[21:11] <DanRabbit> yea
[21:12] <DanRabbit> I'll do it, I'm already almost done doing it :p
[21:12] <mac_v> i'm doing another icon now,... so maybe after a few more we coudl add them
[21:12] <mac_v> DanRabbit: sure
[21:14] <DanRabbit> be back in a bit :)
[21:18] <mrooney> mac_v: ooh, I didn't know you did art?
[21:18] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[21:19] <mrooney> working on a specific set or project?
[21:20] <mac_v> mrooney: right now , humanity
[21:21] <mrooney> ah cool, I should check that out
[21:21] <mrooney> I have heard good things
[21:21] <mac_v> just did a couple of small icons for app store until kwwii ripped my idea for the main icon ;p
[21:23] <mrooney> hm humanity 0.2 seems to have been uploaded with a .bzr directory
[21:24] <mac_v> o.0
[21:26] <mrooney> http://edge.launchpad.net/humanity/0.2/0.2/+download/humanity.tar.gz
[21:28] <DanRabbit> mrooney: that was my bad!
[21:28] <mrooney> bzr export :)
[21:28] <DanRabbit> I'll put another release in just a little bit that will be fixed ;)
[21:28] <DanRabbit> Yea, I didn't know about that
[21:29] <DanRabbit> I got an email from a packager saying "Jesus H Christ you make my life hard!"
[21:29] <mrooney> haha
[21:29] <mrooney> because of the .bzr?
[21:29] <DanRabbit> yea among other things :D
[21:29] <mrooney> :)
[21:30] <mac_v> lol
[21:31] <DanRabbit> can somebody count to 3 and then ping me?
[21:32] <SiDi> ping
[21:32] <SiDi> DanRabbit: ^
[21:32] <mac_v> DanRabbit: 
[21:32] <DanRabbit> thanks :)
[21:32] <DanRabbit> mac_v: have you pulled humanity with the new notification-im ?
[21:33]  * mac_v checking
[21:33] <SiDi> mrooney: i received some wxbanker bugmail a few days ago :D
[21:33] <SiDi> How is 0.6 coming ? :P
[21:34] <mac_v> DanRabbit: hehe , you made a symlink ;)
[21:34] <DanRabbit> yep :D
[21:34] <mac_v> nice
[21:34] <DanRabbit> it might need a little bit of tweaking actually...
[21:35] <DanRabbit> so, I might end up making a "new" icon
[21:35] <mac_v> yeah
[21:35] <DanRabbit> but for now
[21:35] <DanRabbit> consistency :)
[21:38] <mrooney> SiDi: pretty good, recurring transactions are working, a bunch of other improvements. Now I am trying to figure out how to use gtk theme colors for some things, but having trouble grabbing them
[21:38] <mac_v> DanRabbit: is it really necessary to save the files as Plain svg?
[21:38] <DanRabbit> It helps with file size
[21:39] <mac_v> eeeh , i have to go to "save as" ;p
[21:39] <DanRabbit> it may not seem like a big deal
[21:39] <DanRabbit> but look at how small humanity is compared to other icon sets :)
[21:40] <mac_v> DanRabbit: is there a preference where i can change the default in inkscape?
[21:40] <DanRabbit> I'm not sure
[21:40] <DanRabbit> that would be helpful though, wouldn't it :D
[21:40] <mac_v> DanRabbit: yeah... everytime i'm having to save then again i have to cancel the close without saving 
[21:41] <DanRabbit> Well, my usual save process is kind of long.
[21:42] <DanRabbit> open new window, cut and paste in place in the new document (this shaves off little things like gradients we didn't use), save as plain svg
[21:42] <mac_v> DanRabbit: yeah , i would expect ... you go out of your way to make all icons executables ;p
[21:42] <DanRabbit> ah, they shouldn't be
[21:42] <DanRabbit> I don't know why it does it :(
[21:42] <DanRabbit> I always have to go back and change it
[21:43] <SiDi> mrooney: wxwidgets is quite evil for that :/
[21:43] <mrooney> haha yeah, I may have to send a mailing list email and see if there is a good way
[21:46] <mac_v> DanRabbit: man redoing the icons in 64px is not as easy i thought it would be :(
[21:46] <DanRabbit> it's very time consuming to scale icons
[21:46] <DanRabbit> That's why a lot of them haven't been done
[21:46] <mac_v> have to scale... align
[21:47] <DanRabbit> they are still changing so much, I don't want to scale anything that isn't practically perfect :)
[21:47] <mac_v> first figure out how it was done!
[21:49] <mac_v> DanRabbit: sometimes you have grouped the objects , i have to break them and redo some of it ;p , almost like doing a new icon
[21:49] <DanRabbit> I'm sorry :(
[21:49] <mac_v> ;p
[21:52]  * mac_v wonders if DanRabbit has OCD
[21:52] <DanRabbit> haha
[21:52] <DanRabbit> why is that?
[21:53] <mac_v> your save routine... ;p
[21:53] <DanRabbit> lol
[21:53] <DanRabbit> I just want to shave off as much file size as possible :D
[21:54] <mac_v> DanRabbit: you could just use the vacuum defs
[21:54] <DanRabbit> it doesn't get it all
[21:54] <mac_v> yeah it needs to be done 2/3 times
[22:01] <mac_v> DanRabbit: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/425935
[22:01] <mac_v> hehe we have that covered \o/
[22:02] <DanRabbit> :D
[22:02] <DanRabbit> seriously, they should just hire us
[22:02] <DanRabbit> so many bugs we fixed
[22:02] <DanRabbit> so many papercuts
[22:02] <DanRabbit> Humanity solves so many problems
[22:03] <DanRabbit> I hate that they assign the priority "Wishlist"
[22:03] <mac_v> !bot
[22:03] <mac_v> !ping
[22:03] <mac_v> bot is sleeping :(
[22:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425935 in network-manager "[Karmic] ugly ethernet Icon" [Wishlist,New] 
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[22:04] <ubot4> pong!
[22:04] <DanRabbit> haha
[22:04] <DanRabbit> hella late :)
[22:04] <DanRabbit> !bot you are so slow
[22:04] <ubot4> DanRabbit: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:05] <DanRabbit> I know... I shouldn't assume
[22:05] <DanRabbit> takes a lot of brainpower huh, !bot ?
[22:06]  * DanRabbit likes to mess with the bott
[22:06] <DanRabbit> bot*
[22:09] <mac_v> !something
[22:09] <ubot4> Factoid 'something' not found
[22:10] <mac_v> !anything
[22:10] <ubot4> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[22:10] <mac_v> !helping humans
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[22:10] <mac_v> ah! they changed it  :(
[22:10] <DanRabbit> lol
[22:12] <DanRabbit> !flying spaghetti monster
[22:12] <ubot4> DanRabbit: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:13] <DanRabbit> !bot flying spaghetti monster is the one true god, creator of all that is good.
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[22:14] <DanRabbit> ah, you can't teach this one :(
[22:14] <mac_v> we'd probably get warned for bot abuse ;p
[22:14] <mac_v> !bot abuse
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[22:14] <mac_v> lol
[22:15] <DanRabbit> !msgtgebot
[22:15] <ubot4> Factoid 'msgtgebot' not found
[22:15] <DanRabbit> oops
[22:15] <DanRabbit> !msgthebot
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[22:16] <DanRabbit> !behaviour
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[22:16] <DanRabbit> well, that's very business like...
[22:16] <DanRabbit> !bot I like SuperSpace better than you. he's a lot smarter...
[22:16] <ubot4> DanRabbit: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:17] <DanRabbit> alright, I'm done. back to work.
[22:29] <mac_v> DanRabbit: what happened to UNR? i get it as not a branch
[22:30] <DanRabbit> did you just do a bzr pull or bzr pull humanity-unr ?
[22:30] <mac_v> pull
[22:30] <DanRabbit> try the latter
[22:30] <DanRabbit> that happened to me to
[22:30] <DanRabbit> too*
[22:30] <mac_v> nope same error :(
[22:31] <mac_v> must be bzr is down
[22:31] <DanRabbit> bummer
[22:32] <mac_v>  \o/
[22:32] <mac_v>  |.|
[22:32] <mac_v>  /'\
[22:32] <DanRabbit> lol
[22:32] <DanRabbit> ?
[22:32] <DanRabbit> you win?
[22:32] <mac_v> just fooling around untillbzr gets fixed
[22:33] <mac_v>  \o_
[22:33] <mac_v>  |.|
[22:33] <mac_v>  /.|