[06:52] good morning [06:58] DanRabbit: hmm... why does the spinner jump? [06:58] * mac_v thinks he is biased ;p [06:58] Because the animation finishes one frame too short [06:58] I need to readjust it [06:59] also the fading lines are a bit blurry [07:00] feel free to tweak away :) [07:01] thats the problems with the lines being prominent , we really cant do much , if there are so many lines at those angles they end up blurred :( [07:01] we have to blame pixel restrictions! [07:02] yea [07:02] I'd rather have the applet render it's own spinner in cairo [07:03] then it'd just be pretty and I wouldn't have to draw anything [07:03] ;p [07:03] :) [07:03] * mac_v tries to convince DanRabbit that the scan idea is a simpler solution ;) [07:04] hehe [07:04] but, this is prettier :) [07:04] hehe [07:11] DanRabbit: i'll try to fix this bug > Bug #404486 , i'll see if it can be done in similar style as humanity, and push to UNR ? [07:11] Launchpad bug 404486 in humanity "xdg Folder Icons are similar to mime/action icons" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404486 [07:11] sure [07:11] :) [07:13] DanRabbit: so far how many icons have you done in 64px? [07:13] lol [07:13] 0 [07:13] I've been out all day :D [07:13] if you push whats been done i could do remaining [07:13] ;p [07:15] everythings pushed :) [07:15] I haven't done anything else [07:20] can I ask ayatana's design question? [07:24] how would application appear in MI ? Would it have to "register" somehow? [07:34] alourie: tedg /kenvandine are the people best to answer that , they probably work on UTC workhrs [07:34] DanRabbit: just pushed a couple of simple ones , check them out :) , if thats ok , rest follow [07:36] mac_v: thanks [07:36] mac_v: and who should I talk to about more generic concept idea? [07:37] alourie: check the "messaging menu" wiki ,AFAIK there is no actual procedure needed for an app , BTW which app are you planning to do? [07:37] for the MI [07:38] alourie: all the requirements are in place... only the apps need to use it [07:38] mac_v: well, I was following all the thread about the MI which celeste began [07:38] and I had an idea [07:39] ah ;) [07:39] which may, sort of, resolve some of that [07:40] but maybe I don't understand the design correctly, that's why I wanted to ask you guys [07:40] alourie: whats the idea? :) [07:41] okay, let me pull [07:42] mac_v: sexy :D [07:42] :) [07:42] I'd probably concentrate on icons that are going to be seen most in Netbook Launcher [07:43] aernt the app / places icons required only for 64px? [07:43] so, the categories, apps, folders [07:43] ;) [07:43] :) [07:44] mac_v: ok, hold on :-) [07:46] DanRabbit: categories , awesome \o/ , that would be useful ... i was in process of making an icon for Software store , and system crashed and lost the whole thing , so categories are coming first ;) [07:46] aww... [07:46] I'm sorry :( [07:47] serves me right for doing "work" on a alpha ;p [07:47] an* [07:47] mac_v: I thought, that there was so much talk about having or not having a launcher for specific app in MI, for example Evolution [07:48] mac_v: with the idea, that 1. If it is running, then I will see notifications, and 2. if it is not running I could launch it [07:48] but then [07:50] mac_v: do I have to "run" an email client to know I have messages? [07:50] mac_v: of course not [07:50] * mac_v nods [07:50] mac_v: so what if ayatana (or MI) specifically would implement sort of a system-wide library [07:51] mac_v: for collecting my "messaging" information, and rely on it to "show" it to me in MI [07:51] and then, if I decide, I will click on that - and an appropriate applciation will be launched [07:52] thus, I separate messages from applications that handle them [07:52] its that similar to a blacklist? [07:52] oh no [07:52] or whitelist ;p [07:52] it like a generic infrastructure for collecting stuff that I care about [07:52] for instance [07:53] I use sort of a generic system tool to define my gmail account [07:53] and couple of other email accounts [07:53] and identica [07:53] and twitter [07:53] and jabber [07:53] and anything else [07:54] mac_v: when something happens there, MI will show a notification [07:54] I click on gmail - a browser will open [07:54] I click on email message - default email client will take care of that [07:54] hmm... [07:54] twitter/identica - taken by gwibber/or any other client [07:55] I just though that libraries that can do that already developed, just not glued together to infrastructure... [07:56] alourie: i think you should send this to the ML , so others can read about it too [07:56] yea? [07:56] i dont seem to understand it fully :( [07:56] hm [07:57] that's what I said, maybe we're thinking about it from different perspectives? [07:57] from what you mention that is exactly what is planned for the MI , [thats what i understood] [07:58] MI displays the apps , clicking on them takes them to the main app [07:58] takes user* [07:59] you also mention a libraries , which is similar to the blcaklist/whitelist they are planning to offer [08:00] * mac_v needs to get the upstream version and check out the progress ;) [08:03] alourie: if what if understood is different from what you mention , if you send it to the ML , others might understand better [08:03] mac_v: so MI would display apps, .... this is not exactly what I had in mind. I though more about context, not apps [08:03] so not "Evolution, Gwibber, ..." but "Email, Twitter, Identica" [08:04] alourie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu [08:04] mac_v: thanks [08:04] oh you mean like that, [08:04] mac_v: yes [08:04] hmm... thats interesting :) [08:05] disconnect the idea of notification from the application that handles the content [08:05] when you send a mail to ML dont forget to mention this> so not "Evolution, Gwibber, ..." but "Email, Twitter, Identica [08:05] ok :-) [08:06] alourie: so if i have 2 email clients? [08:06] right now i use both evol and thunderbird [08:06] mac_v: but for different things, right? [08:06] no for mail , thunderbird since it supports webmail [08:07] yes, for mail, but for different items, right? [08:07] yup [08:07] different acounts [08:07] so it should be possible to set which app will handle specific item (or group of items) in MI [08:08] what if I have different clients for twitter and identica? :-) [08:08] the same thing [08:08] yeah [08:09] alourie: that would complicate the process a bit , but its a nice idea to rename the app names with generic names :) [08:09] I agree that this may need a little bit of work on details, but now you already asking me questions that sort of "implementation" ones...I just thought about this as a generic concept. ...:-) [08:10] mac_v: I'm off to bed. Sorry I didn't get much done today :/ [08:10] DanRabbit: ;) [08:10] alourie: sure the generic idea , is really nice , users dont need to necessarily know the name of the app [08:11] but just what they are doing [08:11] mac_v: and majority of users probably won't have 2 email clients for different accounts either :-) [08:11] hehe ;p [08:12] alourie: you can post the idea on the wiki comments page too [08:12] mac_v: is it getting read? [08:12] mpt does read and respond [08:12] I can probably do both [08:13] ML and wiki [08:13] yeah [08:14] so I will work a bit on the abstract of this. Should I try to work out technical details before posting, or leave it completely as a concept? [08:25] alourie: hmm... it would be better if you presented the idea without loop holes , else you'd get replies for others , like how i asked what if i'm running 2 apps ;p [08:25] from* [08:26] mac_v: so, the more resolved issues upfront, the better .... :-) [08:26] yup [08:26] ok [08:27] mac_v: thanks a lot, you helped me refine this and get the nurv to post to ML :-) [08:27] alourie: np :) === Sidi is now known as SiDi === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [18:52] when will empathy get messaging indicator support? [19:28] tgpraveen: the day after karmic's release ? :p [19:29] :'( [21:01] DanRabbit: check the start-here... [21:07] in unr? [21:08] yeah [21:09] DanRabbit: i did the 64 px , just check if it looks fine [21:11] yea, looks great :) [21:11] want to add it in, or want me to? [21:11] to humanity? [21:11] yea [21:12] I'll do it, I'm already almost done doing it :p [21:12] i'm doing another icon now,... so maybe after a few more we coudl add them [21:12] DanRabbit: sure [21:14] be back in a bit :) [21:18] mac_v: ooh, I didn't know you did art? [21:18] hehe ;) [21:19] working on a specific set or project? [21:20] mrooney: right now , humanity [21:21] ah cool, I should check that out [21:21] I have heard good things [21:21] just did a couple of small icons for app store until kwwii ripped my idea for the main icon ;p [21:23] hm humanity 0.2 seems to have been uploaded with a .bzr directory [21:24] o.0 [21:26] http://edge.launchpad.net/humanity/0.2/0.2/+download/humanity.tar.gz [21:28] mrooney: that was my bad! [21:28] bzr export :) [21:28] I'll put another release in just a little bit that will be fixed ;) [21:28] Yea, I didn't know about that [21:29] I got an email from a packager saying "Jesus H Christ you make my life hard!" [21:29] haha [21:29] because of the .bzr? [21:29] yea among other things :D [21:29] :) [21:30] lol [21:31] can somebody count to 3 and then ping me? [21:32] ping [21:32] DanRabbit: ^ [21:32] DanRabbit: [21:32] thanks :) [21:32] mac_v: have you pulled humanity with the new notification-im ? [21:33] * mac_v checking [21:33] mrooney: i received some wxbanker bugmail a few days ago :D [21:33] How is 0.6 coming ? :P [21:34] DanRabbit: hehe , you made a symlink ;) [21:34] yep :D [21:34] nice [21:34] it might need a little bit of tweaking actually... [21:35] so, I might end up making a "new" icon [21:35] yeah [21:35] but for now [21:35] consistency :) [21:38] SiDi: pretty good, recurring transactions are working, a bunch of other improvements. Now I am trying to figure out how to use gtk theme colors for some things, but having trouble grabbing them [21:38] DanRabbit: is it really necessary to save the files as Plain svg? [21:38] It helps with file size [21:39] eeeh , i have to go to "save as" ;p [21:39] it may not seem like a big deal [21:39] but look at how small humanity is compared to other icon sets :) [21:40] DanRabbit: is there a preference where i can change the default in inkscape? [21:40] I'm not sure [21:40] that would be helpful though, wouldn't it :D [21:40] DanRabbit: yeah... everytime i'm having to save then again i have to cancel the close without saving [21:41] Well, my usual save process is kind of long. [21:42] open new window, cut and paste in place in the new document (this shaves off little things like gradients we didn't use), save as plain svg [21:42] DanRabbit: yeah , i would expect ... you go out of your way to make all icons executables ;p [21:42] ah, they shouldn't be [21:42] I don't know why it does it :( [21:42] I always have to go back and change it [21:43] mrooney: wxwidgets is quite evil for that :/ [21:43] haha yeah, I may have to send a mailing list email and see if there is a good way [21:46] DanRabbit: man redoing the icons in 64px is not as easy i thought it would be :( [21:46] it's very time consuming to scale icons [21:46] That's why a lot of them haven't been done [21:46] have to scale... align [21:47] they are still changing so much, I don't want to scale anything that isn't practically perfect :) [21:47] first figure out how it was done! [21:49] DanRabbit: sometimes you have grouped the objects , i have to break them and redo some of it ;p , almost like doing a new icon [21:49] I'm sorry :( [21:49] ;p [21:52] * mac_v wonders if DanRabbit has OCD [21:52] haha [21:52] why is that? [21:53] your save routine... ;p [21:53] lol [21:53] I just want to shave off as much file size as possible :D [21:54] DanRabbit: you could just use the vacuum defs [21:54] it doesn't get it all [21:54] yeah it needs to be done 2/3 times [22:01] DanRabbit: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/425935 [22:01] hehe we have that covered \o/ [22:02] :D [22:02] seriously, they should just hire us [22:02] so many bugs we fixed [22:02] so many papercuts [22:02] Humanity solves so many problems [22:03] I hate that they assign the priority "Wishlist" [22:03] !bot [22:03] !ping [22:03] bot is sleeping :( [22:04] Launchpad bug 425935 in network-manager "[Karmic] ugly ethernet Icon" [Wishlist,New] [22:04] Hi! 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[22:13] DanRabbit: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [22:14] ah, you can't teach this one :( [22:14] we'd probably get warned for bot abuse ;p [22:14] !bot abuse [22:14] Please don't play with the bots, or else... Also see !behaviour and !msgthebot [22:14] lol [22:15] !msgtgebot [22:15] Factoid 'msgtgebot' not found [22:15] oops [22:15] !msgthebot [22:15] Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". [22:16] !behaviour [22:16] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [22:16] well, that's very business like... [22:16] !bot I like SuperSpace better than you. he's a lot smarter... [22:16] DanRabbit: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [22:17] alright, I'm done. back to work. [22:29] DanRabbit: what happened to UNR? i get it as not a branch [22:30] did you just do a bzr pull or bzr pull humanity-unr ? [22:30] pull [22:30] try the latter [22:30] that happened to me to [22:30] too* [22:30] nope same error :( [22:31] must be bzr is down [22:31] bummer [22:32] \o/ [22:32] |.| [22:32] /'\ [22:32] lol [22:32] ? [22:32] you win? [22:32] just fooling around untillbzr gets fixed [22:33] \o_ [22:33] |.| [22:33] /.|