[00:00] alteregoa: I have looked into the ressource limits that can be set (ulimit). But no luck. [00:01] sgh: I ran ubuntu-bug in the .crash file and it seemed to work, you want me to go ahead with reporting it? [00:01] sudo sysctl vm.mmap_min_addr=0 [00:01] arand: would be very nice. [00:01] alteregoa: It is done by default when intalling dosemu. [00:03] or is this is running and calls apport-gtk or apport-qt accordingly. If neither is available, or the session does not run under X11, it calls apport-cli for a command-line client. [00:04] sorry. *Or is this Bug #216398 all over? [00:04] Launchpad bug 216398 in dosemu "default mmap_min_addr breaks dosemu" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216398 [00:05] ubottu: I do not think so. mmap_min_addr is indeed set to 0 [00:05] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:05] But then... the workaround described doesn't seem to apply... [00:06] this may because process can't map anymore page at offset 0 for security reason [00:09] alteregoa: yes maybe. /etc/security/* contains nothing interesting on my system. [00:09] the bug is fixed on the actual svn [00:10] alteregoa: excellent. dosemu svn repo? [00:11] Bug #625433 [00:11] Error: Launchpad bug 625433 could not be found [00:11] Bug #425433 [00:11] Launchpad bug 425433 in dosemu "dosemu.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in memcpy()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425433 [00:11] svn co https://dosemu.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/dosemu/trunk dosemu [00:11] is running and calls apport-gtk [00:11] or apport-qt accordingly. If neither is available, or the session does [00:11] not run under X11, it calls apport-cli for a command-line client. [00:11] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538432 [00:11] Debian bug 538432 in dosemu "dosemu: LOWRAM mmap: Invalid argument - segfault on start-up" [Normal,Open] [00:12] Sorry, me and pasting don't agree today. [00:14] got to go to sleep now. Will try new dosemu later. Thank you for your help :) [00:14] http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/d/dosemu/dosemu_1.4.0+svn.1828-2+b1_amd64.deb [00:15] alteregoa: is that not the same bug I mentioned earlier, which didn't seem to apply in this case? [00:15] the bug is from juli 25 2009 [00:16] i check now the debian packet [00:19] alteregoa: Since cat /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr for me gives 0 nd yet I experience the issue... [00:29] I am wondering when the Gnome team will fix the bug with the columns and rows being stuck on zero for the workspace switcher preferences, and also I am wondering when multiple wallpaper support will be compiled into nautilus ? [00:32] hi, quick question, is anyone here running 9.10 with tex-common installed? [00:35] alteregoa: seems like the deb you linked did not work (tried i386). [00:38] Polterge|st: First one: some point before release I would presume, second one: When you (or someone else that is sufficiently bothered by it) implement it, or in gnome3, whichever happens first. ;) [00:39] true arand [00:39] I've just noticed it there for awhile which is why I ask [00:39] if I knew more about python I would fix it myself [00:39] I've thought about trying to find some good books on it [00:40] that way I can work more with gnome coding [00:40] I'm sure it is something simple [00:43] whats tex common? [00:43] tex is a typesetting language [00:43] tex-common would be common files needed for tex [00:44] TeX --- Don Knuth. About 30 years old typesetting system. [00:53] when I use rhythmbox I get a message popup that says "Both autoaudiosink and alsasink elements are not working." [00:57] Polterge|st: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48004 says it all (diff background, diff workspace, Note: reported in 2001 !) [00:57] Gnome bug 48004 in background "Desktop should be able to have different backgrounds for different workspaces" [Enhancement,Assigned] [00:58] ah ... the new PA fixes a bunch of things for me :-) [00:59] yeah it is steadily fixing things [00:59] I just think that they need as much input as possible because the more ideas they have, the more they can perfect things [01:00] Well, with THIS code drop, I am hoping that it won't keep turning off the internal mic, requiring me to re-enable it with alsamixer, and it also looks like I can select the correct input source without padevchooser. [01:01] which I could not do before. I wonder if that's why Daniel had asked me. [01:07] fascinating [01:08] i try to play maniac mansion [01:23] anyone in here know how to toggle between languages in ubuntu? [01:32] brent, you mean other than System->Administration->Language Support? [01:46] for some reason my compiz doesn't want to let me just choose extra effects / settings if compiz.real crashes but interestingly enough if I hit alt+f2 and type [01:47] compiz --replace" [01:47] " [01:47] it restarts compiz and things work fine and it even remembers my settings. I tried to add it to the startup apps [01:47] I do not know if it will make it take alot longer when booting up though [01:47] well not booting rather but logging into X [01:56] Polt{laptop}: you have a talent :) [01:58] anyone noticed a problem with superblocks being in the future and needing a manual fsck [02:00] hi! im tryin to install karmic a5 but kdm askme for user & password [02:00] what can i do? [02:02] please? [02:06] hello? [02:07] hi [02:07] I all ready asked this in #ubuntu but no one seemed to know, I just installed java for powerpc ubuntu and I can't seem to get firefox to see the plugin [02:08] what do I do? [02:11] ahh nvm [02:19] what xserver is used in karamic? [02:19] 1.6 or i.7 [02:19] 1.7 [02:20] anyone know if fglrx will be working with some of the hardware that was supported back in 8.04 for ATI card or is it basically a lost cause due to ATI's developers? [02:21] tj83: I have heard that they (ati devs) dropped support for all card below and including r5xx [02:22] tj83: i think ati cards work better than nv cards in karmic :P [02:23] MaximLevitsky: 1.7 iirc [02:23] billybigrigger: they said that they will stick with 1.6? [02:25] MaximLevitsky: 1.6, your right [02:25] really anybody know? [02:25] just checked the package lists [02:26] ty guys [02:27] billybigrigger: and nvidia driver doesn't work - right? [02:27] yeah it does [02:28] billybigrigger: you mean propertary driver, right? [02:28] the only nvidia driver that doen't work yet is the one for old junk hardware (pre geforce 6000 and later) [02:28] great [02:28] MaximLevitsky: what do you have? :P [02:28] I am updating to it now [02:28] MaximLevitsky: read those release notes [02:28] geforce 8400M [02:28] do a proper upgrade :) [02:28] http://ubunut.com/testing/karmic/alpha5 [02:29] I already use git of kernel,nm,pulseaudio [02:29] and wpa_supplicant [02:30] currently can't update nm anymore, and it was a pain to update udev (I use new udev here as well) [02:30] nvidia 185.18.36 works well for me with karmic. [02:30] what ever you do, DO NOT DO dist-upgrade!!!! :P [02:30] that's all i'm sayin [02:30] billybigrigger, why? [02:30] that's why i said read the release notes, that's not how upgrades are done [02:31] billybigrigger: how then to update? [02:31] if you want to upgrade via CLI then follow the upgrade for server's [02:31] read the relase notes!!! haha i gave you the link [02:31] alt-f2 "update-manager -d" [02:31] or if you prefer cli, follow the server upgrade notes [02:31] billybigrigger: ah, I use sudo update-manager -d [02:32] good, then, just no dist-uprades :P [02:32] billybigrigger: how well karmic works, btw? [02:33] good for me [02:33] that doesn't mean much [02:33] i don't know your hardware :) [02:33] I don't care about kernel/pulse/wireless, I use my own compiled versions [02:33] only thing that hasn't worked for me, due to the 2.6.30 kernel is my usb webcam [02:34] billybigrigger: is is a usb camera? [02:34] I mean UVC [02:34] camera [02:34] err 31-rc's i mean, not 30 [02:34] uvc? don't know what that is [02:34] it's a microsoft vx-1000 and it uses the sonixj gspca kernel module [02:34] This is new standard class of USB cameras [02:35] other than that i don't know much about it :P [02:35] billybigrigger: so it isn't UVC [02:35] ok :P [02:35] but ya, other than that, ext4 works great, grub2 works great [02:35] you should post a mail to linux-media mailing list [02:35] I already on ext4 too [02:36] waiting to see how the new boot turns out... [02:36] for what i do, my system has been fairly stable through out all the alpha stages [02:36] but ext4 has one hidden 'bomb' - as soon as you try an old kernel, it won't boot..... for obivous reasons.... [02:37] anything older than .28 or is it .26 when ext4 was released as a stable fs? [02:37] and I need sometimes to check an old kernels [02:37] why? [02:37] I have written a lirc driver [02:37] and tried to test it against older versions [02:37] ahh [02:37] brb, i need to go smoke! :P [02:38] WARNING: smoking is dangerous [02:38] :-) [02:47] hehe [02:47] smoking is bad [02:47] day 2 of quitting for me [02:51] billybigrigger: I understand you, I just never did start a drinking or smoking habbit [02:52] but I still have a drug I must take [02:52] the usage of linux [02:52] especially fixing things [02:52] I can't live without it.... [02:53] linux is so amaizing [02:53] amazing [02:53] source open, and while I still do small things, I really feel that I can contribute [02:59] I don't know if the gnome team could do this but it would be cool if they could bring another feature back from the older Gnome versions where you could see a small screenshot of your desktop in each workspace switcher square [03:00] that way it would be like having real-time workspace switching [03:00] hello ubuntu friends :) [03:00] and real-time kernel I think really would be nice if it works with compiz [03:00] I think it could potentially zero out the latency of the system to some degree since compiz uses resources on nearly any system [03:01] then audio and video would do alot better I think [03:02] question: is it no longer possible to completely disable the touchpad from System --> Preferences --> Mouse --> Touchpad ? i can only find "disable touchpad when typing". which seems to work ok [03:02] i am on a toshiba laptop that is very nice in most ways, but the touchpad is not placed right for me. and i brush it while typing. [03:02] so i would like to turn it off or at least toggle it somehow [03:04] also good for the dev team to do when enhancing totem is to make it so that you can access the menubar options in the app even before the little mixer applet loads in the bottom righthand corner that way the program will seem more responsive and it will possibly cut down on wait time especially if it is allowing you to look for music while it is allowing the program to look for the sound device [03:05] this is something else I have found that I think would be a nice tweak [03:05] and of course autoaudiosink is getting latency and getting out of sync but part of this is probably related to a kernel problem with this version of the upstream kernel [03:06] most likely that will be fixed once the kernel is patched [03:07] once that is fixed, I think the audio problems will be resolved [03:07] or most of them anyway [03:07] until we start dealing with JACKS and timidity which I won't even go into right now ... [03:08] I have JACKS and Timidity enabled also but ALSA is what most apps use anyway so that is why I would like to see this sync problem tweaked a bit [03:08] it is getting better for sure but needs a little bit more work [03:08] I can almost open up totem and play a playlist without it crashing now if I switch desktops [03:09] it gets through a few songs [03:09] what is telepathy, and why do i hear complaints about it? [03:09] and then crashes [03:09] IndyGunFreak, audio / voice library [03:09] for empathy messenger [03:09] it also can be implemented in a few other things [03:09] it provides a transport for audio and video in messenger type apps like empathy [03:10] current version of empathy isn't stable and is full of bugs [03:10] yeah, so i noticed, i just installed pidgin [03:10] I recommend pidgin with voice and webcam support compiled in as that should be available by now [03:10] hehe sweet [03:10] they talked about having that available awhile back [03:11] only took me a few minutes to compile xorg from source [03:11] and then said it would be released in later versions of Ubuntu probably but didn't give a definitely [03:11] brb in X :P [03:11] IndyGunFreak, I would just wait for them to compile video / voice into pidgin and then it will pretty much have everything [03:12] I think that is all it lacks [03:12] it has a musictracker plugin and everything [03:12] ahh there we go :P [03:13] I can't see the interactive games across yahoo and msn as being too useful in pidgin so I do not forsee them being compiled in and they would really be a potential backdoor anyway and a possible security hazard so I think it would be better if they just stick with audio / video development for their next pidgin release [03:13] I like its UI and can't find a ton of things to complain about in it [03:13] except maybe ... sometimes it crashes when checking mail messages [03:14] and the video / voice thing [03:14] argh, stupid Wine... utterly FAILS at any audio. [03:14] It's utterly silent, and doesn't even show up in pavucontrol! [03:14] DanaG, yeah there will be workarounds for that I am sure [03:14] I had ventrilo working in wine before [03:14] with ALSA [03:14] Polterge|st, i don't use video/voice chat anyways, maybe thast why i've always been very happy w/ pidgin [03:14] Now it doesn't work at all. It used to work "poorly". [03:15] Now it just plain is BROKEN. Entirely. [03:15] IndyGunFreak, I think everyone would be more apt to use pidgin if it had video / voice [03:15] people who want it and even those who do not want it [03:15] everyone would win that way [03:15] DanaG, what does it use? is it alsa or pulse? [03:16] the people that didn't want it would just disable it [03:16] and the ones that did want it would leave it enabled [03:16] I'm not sure. I've even tried the winepulse ppa, and it doesn't offer the "pulse" driver! [03:16] Polterge|st, i agree... why the hell do you have ao many names on, that makes tab complete a pain [03:16] heh I just have 2 on [03:16] 2 machines [03:16] one isn't linux [03:16] it is a failsafe [03:16] Most specifically, I'm running WoW in it. [03:16] just in case I break my OS [03:18] what I notice currently in totem is that a song will play for awhile and then it loses track of where it is at and goes silent [03:18] yeah, totem just froze on me for some reason, but i installed VLC and its fine [03:19] VLC works well but since totem is the default player for alot of things in Ubuntu I thought I should point these things out so it will make for smoother and better performance out of Ubuntu with media in general since many things play on totem by default [03:20] the guys in here appear to have taken a few of my suggestions from the looks of things [03:20] and so that is one reason I wanted to point it out [03:20] does anyone know what to install for linux headers if installing linux-image-virtual? there doesn't appear to be a matching headers .deb. [03:21] Polterge|st, i agree [03:21] now here's sometthing weird. [03:21] why do the menus.. not have icons? [03:21] I kind of noticed that earlier too [03:22] it might just be a different menu theme [03:22] IndyGunFreak, upstream change, and starting to be an FAQ item [03:23] I tried to set the renice value to 10 [03:23] maybe this will improve music streaming slightly [03:23] it seemed improved from the updates but this may get rid of some of the crashing [03:23] playing with renice [03:24] anyone seeing X corruption after suspend with KMS. eg gnome-terminals are invisible [03:24] IndyGunFreak: You can revert in preferences>appearance^interface +relogin [03:24] hmm, FF3 and Flash seem a bit easier on the resources [03:25] arand, oh ok.. didn't notice that, thanks [03:25] well, so far, i'm really diggin 9.10.. [03:26] IndyGunFreak: I'm guessing this is the new pet peeve after the update icon ;) [03:26] but its only been a few minutes [03:26] i need to test my desktop [03:29] ok, another minor issue. [03:29] i can't add work spaces [03:29] i can only have 2.. when i change the number it reverts back to zero [03:30] nice feature to be able to turn those icons on or off [03:30] yup... brb [03:31] this will be really nice when the multiple wallpaper thing is added in [03:32] I think it is just a matter of time before they fix that [03:32] and a few other things [03:32] when Karmic gets to that stage I may take some screenshots [03:33] also recompiling nautilus to be compatible that way I think will also fix the crash bug where turning off nautilus drawing the desktop causes nautilus to go into an infinite loop of trying to open if you click on nautilus [03:33] for one, people wouldn't have to disable nautilus drawing the desktop if that were the case [03:34] a function of this should be coded into nautilus and should be set so that if compiz is activated with the wallpaper plugin it will ignore GTK's multi wallpaper settings if they code GTK to have multi wallpaper settings in it [03:34] this way there are less errors and faster load times for when gnome boots up [03:35] and either way people could have multiple wallpapers that way with or without compiz [03:35] it would use one compatibility or the other [03:36] well its good to see the wallpapers for karmic still suck [03:36] by default I think that isn't so bad though [03:36] yea [03:36] it kind of allows Ubuntu to be left up to the end user to customize [03:37] but couldn't they do something better than brown? [03:37] and that seems a bit better of an option I think than making it all look one way [03:37] IndyGunFreak, well I do agree with that [03:37] I think that Ubuntu would get further with light themes or dark themes installed by default [03:37] like a black on white theme or similar [03:37] or perhaps if Ubuntu had nature themes with the Ubuntu logo in the back of the wallpapers, etc [03:37] or space themes [03:38] so no idea why i can't add workspaces? [03:38] it is part of the workspace switcher bug [03:38] columns and rows are stuck at 0 [03:38] i need a shamwow [03:38] yea [03:38] you can still change the preferences in gconf-editor though [03:38] alteregoa, you mean the "scamwow" [03:38] yeah [03:39] alteregoa, why would you need that for anything ? [03:39] to clean my dirty wife [03:39] lol [03:39] she gets to wet [03:39] lol [03:39] a garden hose would be better [03:40] i gave her a new car so she's quiet [03:42] dang, my wireless light works on alpha 5 [03:42] its never worked on any version of linux [03:42] I bet when the bugs are ironed out there will be alot of improvements in this version [03:44] polt, it sure seems that way [03:46] well one thing I keep seeing mentioned is the realtime kernel [03:46] and if my guess is right ... [03:46] whats ubuntuone? [03:46] I'm hoping they are doing what I think they are [04:03] I don't know if this will help anyone but I am going to try it [04:03] http://forum.foresightlinux.org/index.php?topic=300.0 [04:03] pulse audio tweaks [04:04] and there is a tweak somewhere to set pulse to use 48000 instead of 44100 [04:06] I just restarted ALSA and probably pulse too [04:36] where does epiphany put its downloads? i can't find them. [04:37] sorry, that's silly [04:56] i need some help when i hit alt-f2 it doesnt start the launcher [05:04] How can I manage an iPod? Rythmbox is not doing it for me [05:13] ok I made some tweaks to my pulseaudio [05:13] working better now [05:13] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578 [05:14] I changed the resampler from speex-float-1 to ffmpeg [05:14] changed the default sample rate from 44100 hz to 48000 hz [05:14] since pulse supports that [05:14] enabled auto respawn for the client portion of the config files [05:15] I had shm enabled but for now I will leave that disabled in both things to test things out a bit more [05:15] I want to read up on it more before I enable it as it could use extra memory [05:15] I enabled realtime priority 5 though [05:15] and I gave it realtime priority [05:15] it should work better from that by itself [05:16] I've noticed that pulseaudio isn't dying on me now [05:16] I might need to tweak another setting or two [05:16] I might play with different resamplers next [05:17] these are your choices for resampler values [05:17] src-sinc-best-quality, src-sinc-medium-quality, src-sinc-fastest, speex-float-{10-0}, speex-fixed-{10-0}, ffmpeg, src-zero-order-hold, src-linear, trivial [05:18] if you edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf you might try switcher the resampler value from speex-floating-1 out with one of those values [05:26] yo [05:30] i can't seem to auto-find my hp network printer anymore. it worked in jaunty. am i missing anything? [05:30] it used to auto-detect everything. i'm sure the printer is on and working too. [05:36] oh and meant to say that the resampler value is important concerning how well pulseaudio works [05:36] I just set it to trivial [05:36] I may play around with the speex codec settings [05:36] so far it is responsive at trivial [05:37] then they have a fastest setting also that might improve performance for audio playback [05:37] not so great for sound editing [05:38] I just set my resampler value to "trivial" [05:38] playing with no audio skips or hangups now [05:38] :) [05:38] and it still sounds decent [05:39] it isn't perfect but is still decent [05:51] trivial is really craptastic [05:51] that's why upstream ships speex-float-3 [05:51] (Karmic ships speex-float-1) [05:52] ah [05:52] well speex-float-1 isn't optimum [05:52] and the value goes up to 10 [05:53] speex-float-10 is worse than speex-float-1 [05:54] and "optimum" is a difficult thing to account for [05:54] well it depends on what you are saying is worse [05:54] there are a crapton of HDA controllers that just fall over with anything worse than speex-float-3, particularly when it comes to DVDs [05:55] if you mean for everyone else and are talking about playback then I dunno ... my playback in Jaunty was good and I know that the resampler looks like it is changed under that setting [05:55] for me I am using speex 3 on it now and without any bugs [05:56] that's good [05:56] i'm not going to change from speex-float-1 for Karmic, though, since we went through two releases trying to figure out a good default [05:57] ffmpeg worked good for me earlier [05:57] true I suppose [05:57] it is just that all computers are not new computers [05:57] and you must take that into account [05:57] i'm well aware of that [05:57] speex-float-1 performs fine on my baseline machine, which is a PII/266 [05:58] yes but for how long ? [05:58] :P [05:58] how long? as long as PA is running [06:02] I'm on a 1.2ghz machine with 512 mb of ram and have not had that kind of luck [06:02] even tweaking it out [06:05] I will see how long it plays for [06:06] don't get me wrong I like the speex-float resampler option and maybe some other things I did will allow it to not crash on me this time but last time if I switched desktops or went to a different app for a moment the audio would crash [06:06] speex-float has decent audio quality [06:14] ok I changed the fragment length to 5 ms [06:14] and changed default fragments to 10 [06:14] instead of 8 [06:15] that way it reads smaller fragments and picks up more of them at a time so that it has more read-ahead [06:16] effin audiophiles [06:16] haha, i'm happy i can listen to my mp3s and have audio in my xvid/mp4's :) [06:18] :P [06:18] well I am getting good results right now with totem at the moment since I tweaked that out [06:18] I might try a higher quality codec if my settings work well enough for me [06:18] it is just a matter of tweaking the magic number [06:19] 12 fragments at 5 millisecond length [06:19] that is what I have it set to use as default so it should be more responsive [06:19] I may change it to 16 fragments and change the length to 3ms [06:19] that way it breaks everything down more but has less stuttering [06:19] it isn't stuttering at all right now but I want it to be exceptionally smooth [06:20] with high quality audio [06:20] speex-floating-1 is not stuttering at all now [06:20] e4defrag doesnt work? [06:20] its not in the kernel i think [06:22] uh oh.. what are all these pulseaudio updates? [06:23] :) [06:23] I kind of did my homework to figure out what would make pulse run a bit better so now I am getting good results out of it [06:23] no lag at all [06:25] Polterge|st: be aware that tsched largely does better by itself [06:25] not in my case [06:25] that's not due to PA, however. that's due to the kernel that we use. [06:25] in my case I just fixed my audio lag and kept the speex-floating-1 codec [06:26] dtchen, I realize thtat [06:26] that* [06:26] hdtv? highly dongled TV? [06:26] it is just that until it is fixed or optimized I had to make adjustments to my pa settings [06:26] I am playing with 15 fragments at 3ms a piece [06:26] so far good [06:27] i would revert that change and just use the RT PAM bits until we get the RtKit bits merged into linux. [06:27] seems responsive [06:27] well audio was crashing and wasn't working for me [06:27] $ grep @audio /etc/security/limits.conf [06:27] @audio - rtprio 99 [06:27] @audio - nice -19 [06:27] @audio - memlock unlimited [06:27]