[02:15] <Cimi> omg, dust on unr? who is the man behind that decision?
[04:41] <rsc___> unr?
[04:41] <rsc___> where is that?
[10:22] <kwwii> good morning
[10:25] <SiDi> heya kwwii
[10:25] <SiDi> mac_v: i think you _seriously_ should stop posting about that issue on ayatana
[10:25] <SiDi> at best your last email is insultive towards celeste
[10:26] <mac_v> tries to ignore SiDi
[10:26] <SiDi> and she is an expert because she has A LOT of background in UI design (she's the person with most experience on that field that i know) and because she leads the most serious usability project of the floss world
[10:26] <mac_v> SiDi: that doesnt mean others views should be discouraged
[10:26] <SiDi> She absolutely never said that
[10:27] <mac_v> SiDi: my reply was to scott!
[10:27] <SiDi> yes, but who does it aim ?
[10:27] <SiDi> scott doesnt consider himself an expert
[10:27] <mac_v> SiDi: it is aimed at no one
[10:28] <mac_v> SiDi: stop talking things out of context ;p , i said it in general!
[10:28] <SiDi> he just pointed out that you'd had quite rude words towards a person that is much more likely to point to actual problems than you and me, and whose opinion should be considered. He didnt say only hers had to be considered, just that she shouldnt be ignored
[10:28] <SiDi> mac_v: i know, but it definately looks aimed at _her_
[10:28] <SiDi> which i dont believe is what you wanted
[10:28] <SiDi> but you have serious communication problems, mac_v :p
[10:28]  * mac_v tires to gag SiDi
[10:28] <mac_v> SiDi: you have problems understanding!
[10:29] <SiDi> (when scott says " I think questions from people like Celeste would rate even higher than > ones for implementers." he is right btw :p)
[10:29] <mac_v> SiDi: read carefully , i mention everyone must be equal , several times
[10:29] <SiDi> (she's more likely than anyone else to point out to flaws that need to be addressed. Which doesnt mean only her can)
[10:29] <mac_v> he is wrong!
[10:29] <SiDi> no, he's not
[10:30] <mac_v> SiDi: the idea is the main , not the person
[10:30] <mac_v> SiDi: even a dumbass can at times give good ideas!
[10:30] <SiDi> celeste doesnt call herself an expert for the sake of any diploma, but because she has an awesome background in the matter. I had HMI courses and i dont call myself an expert :p
[10:30] <SiDi> Yes, mac_v AT TIMES
[10:30] <SiDi> she doesnt give good ideas AT TIMES :)
[10:31] <mac_v> yes myself
[10:31] <SiDi> She does it almost systematically
[10:31]  * mac_v ignores SiDi 
[10:31]  * mac_v doesnt want to argue
[10:49] <kwwii> actually, celeste does have a degree (she is working on her doctorate currently, iirc) and does this stuff full time for money ;)
[10:50] <mac_v> kwwii: the problem is , Celeste did not take anything wrong with my comments! it was Scott who seems it in wrong vein! :(
[10:50] <mac_v> ti take it*
[10:51] <mac_v> kwwii: she replied off the ML :( , i told Sidi this too! but :(
[10:57] <kwwii> yeah, mailing list arguments can get freaky
[10:57] <kwwii> and scott is easy to piss off, it seems
[11:00] <mac_v> kwwii: why is Bug #405426 , left as "in progress" , this has been fixed right?
[11:01] <mac_v> or is it still in testing?
[12:19] <kwwii> mac_v: I did the work, not sure if it has made it into karmic or not
[12:19] <kwwii> mac_v: essentially, I was waiting for David or someone to make a decision
[12:20] <mac_v> kwwii: oh , it made its way into karmic , didnt you notice the complaints ;p
[12:23] <kwwii> mac_v: lol, nope...lucky me
[12:23] <kwwii> mac_v: just talking to mpt, he showed me the icon you made for the app store
[12:23] <kwwii> pretty good stuff, mind if I work on that idea bit further?
[12:24] <mac_v> sure no probs
[12:24] <mac_v> kwwii: i just couldnt fit more of the apps in the paperbag... :/
[12:24] <mac_v> so was thinking of making use of a basket
[12:51] <kwwii> mac_v: yeah, and right now the most important one is the icon for the menu, which is tiny
[13:14] <mac_v> kwwii: just a wacky idea ;) , how about a building similar to the Canonical headquarters? with an Ubuntu logo?
[13:14] <mac_v> doesnt have to be recognizable to all , but only a few would know ;p
[13:15] <mac_v> hehe , we could just say its a departmental store ;p
[13:18] <kwwii> hehe, unfortunately we only have the 27th floor in this building :p
[13:21] <mac_v> sshh!  no one knows that ;p
[13:31]  * kwwii goes down 27 floors to have a smoke :/
[13:32] <zniavre> haha
[13:33] <zniavre> ooops sorry (but good for your health if you don't use lift)
[13:41] <kwwii> better yet if you go all the way down and *then* realize you forget your passcard to get back in ;)
[14:20] <mac_v> kwwii: has mat gone on vacation?
[14:20] <mac_v> what happened to Boot ?
[14:22] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, he is on vacation this week
[14:22] <mac_v> oh...
[15:49] <mac_v> kwwii: could you show your app store icon? ;p
[16:06] <kwwii> mac_v: sure, let me export it
[16:06] <kwwii> not done yet
[16:09] <kwwii> http://imagebin.ca/view/9EHeRSiR.html
[16:20] <mac_v> kwwii: hmm... \o/ looks nice :)
[16:20] <mac_v> i think the logo could need a bit of contrast
[16:21] <kwwii> true
[16:24] <mac_v> kwwii: was this the same version you started earlier?
[16:24] <kwwii> mac_v: http://imagebin.ca/view/FGCcuVaz.html
[16:24] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, just started playing with it this afternoon
[16:25] <mac_v> the 32 px looks awesome
[16:25] <mac_v> kwwii: hehe , we had the same idea ;)
[16:29] <kwwii> now you know why I asked before I started ;)
[16:37] <mac_v> :)
[17:23] <kwwii> mac_v: http://sinecera.de/softwarestore128.png
[17:28] <mac_v> perfect :)
[17:29] <mac_v> kwwii: lol , at 24px i thought the red thing was a ruler  , now i realize its a screwdriver, right?
[17:30] <kwwii> mac_v: right
[18:57] <mac_v> dashua: hm... you changed the restore ? what happened?
[20:04] <dashua> mac_v, Yeah, you said to do the squares?
[20:05] <mac_v> dashua: yeah , but i thought you liked the arrows... so just asked what changed your mind :)
[20:05] <dashua> I do like the arrows, just thought this looked a little more consistent
[20:06] <mac_v> yeah
[20:07] <dashua> That one user was a mad bug reporter
[20:07] <dashua> Got a lot fixed :)
[20:07] <mac_v> hrm?
[20:07] <mac_v> which reporter?
[20:08] <dashua> rebuilt g-p-m 2.27.92 with all debian patches and it still doesn't work right for sleep
[20:08] <dashua> Wtf?
[20:08] <dashua> bennii89
[20:09] <dashua> He reported 3 or four bugs
[20:09] <mac_v> haha , there was one for humanity just now , 4-5 bugs in a row
[20:09] <mac_v> one was for plugins icon in gedit!
[20:09] <dashua> Ha
[20:09] <mac_v> it wasnt even in the theme ;p
[20:10] <dashua> That spinner is pretty sick the UNR branch
[20:10] <dashua> in*
[20:10] <mac_v> tell that to Dan
[20:10] <mac_v> dashua: he likes his version ;P
[20:10] <dashua> What?
[20:11] <mac_v> that the UNR spinner is better ;p
[20:11] <mac_v> there is another version in Humanity
[20:11] <dashua> mac_v, Fork Breathe and Humanity and make your own killer set ;)
[20:11] <mac_v> hehe , i dont have that much patience...
[20:11] <mac_v> but one day sure \o/
[20:12] <dashua> Nice
[20:12] <dashua> How are would it be to change the grey scale panel icons to the same color you made the Hanso metacity buttons?
[20:12] <dashua> Is that a lot of work?
[20:13] <mac_v> nope its just a simple change
[20:13]  * dashua bribes mac_v with a box a cookie
[20:13] <mac_v> but i wonder if it would look nice
[20:13] <dashua> I dunno
[20:15] <dashua> Probably would not look too good on light panels
[20:15] <mac_v> it would become too bright with the same color i used for metacity...  and light panels it wont show properly :(
[20:15] <dashua> Yeah, maybe a variant or something
[20:16] <dashua> It looks really good in UNR especially with the new window-picker-applet
[20:16] <dashua> As it subdues the icons in almost the same color as the panel icons
[20:16] <dashua> The minimize icons
[20:16] <dashua> minimized*
[20:18] <dashua> brb
[20:21] <dashua> mac_v, The problem with Dan's connection animation is that I can not see it
[20:21] <dashua> Yours is crystal clear
[20:21] <dashua> Like a radar
[20:21] <mac_v> i told him that
[20:22] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[20:22] <mac_v> but everyone has their own bias , so i really cant force it too :)
[20:22] <mac_v> since i'm biased too ;p
[20:22] <dashua> True.
[20:23] <dashua> FLOZz, Hi
[20:23] <FLOZz> hi dashua
[20:23] <dashua> You're not a greeter bot, eh?
[20:24] <mac_v> just what i was about to ask ;p
[20:24] <mac_v> \o_
[20:24] <dashua> FLOZz, ?
[20:24] <mac_v> \o/
[20:24] <mac_v> _o/
[20:24] <dashua> \m/
[20:24] <mac_v> _o_
[20:24] <mac_v> lol
[20:25] <FLOZz> what ?
[20:25] <mac_v> oh ! FLOZz you cut my body! :(
[20:25] <FLOZz> o_O
[20:26] <mac_v> just when i was about to draw the legs ;)
[20:26] <FLOZz> mac_v: are you crasy ? xD
[20:26] <mac_v> ;p
[20:27] <dashua> FLOZz, We are all crazy.  We use Linux and IRC chat.
[20:28] <FLOZz> Yes... it's true...
[20:28] <dashua> And a majority of the time have just three way conversations.
[20:29] <dashua> mac_v, You mess with new xsplash yet?
[20:30] <mac_v> dashua: hmm , no , BTW when it the final version coming out
[20:30] <mac_v> is*
[20:31] <dashua> Not sure.  It works pretty flawless.
[20:31] <dashua> One minor flicker for me here on Nvidia.
[20:31] <dashua> Should be soon, I guess.
[20:31] <dashua> Maybe Thursday with a DX Team release
[20:32] <mac_v> this time a lot of things are being completed only after feature freeze :(
[20:32] <dashua> Yeah
[20:32] <dashua> The LTS will probably be where it's at
[20:32] <dashua> New GTK theme and all
[20:33] <dashua> Unless GNOME 3 messes that up
[20:34] <mac_v> dashua: Karmic +1 is totally going to be awesome
[20:34] <mac_v> theme wise
[20:36] <MDC1> mac_v, any screens of that wonder theme?
[20:36] <mac_v> MDC1: it was an urban legend ;p
[20:36] <mac_v> so no one has pictures ;)
[20:36] <MDC1> hehe
[20:37] <MDC1> i hoped it was true for once..
[20:37] <mac_v> from what i have been told it is going to turn out nice :)
[20:37] <MDC1> i'm really tired of the brown now..it was cool like 5 min 5 years ago..
[20:42] <MDC1> hmm.. maybe little harsh to say in #u-d ;-)
[20:42] <MDC1> #u-a *
[20:53] <mac_v> \o/ channel split
[20:53] <mac_v> ll
[20:53] <mac_v> crap!
[20:53] <mac_v> \o/
[20:53] <mac_v> |o|
[20:54] <mac_v> \o/
[20:54] <mac_v> |.|
[20:55] <mac_v>  /'\
[20:55] <mac_v>  \o/
[20:55] <mac_v>  |.|
[20:55] <mac_v>  /'\
[20:55] <mac_v>  \o/
[20:56] <mac_v>  |.|
[20:56] <mac_v>  /'\
[20:56]  * SiDi slaps mac_v to wake him up from his inconscient dance
[20:56] <mac_v> oops! i'm not alone
[20:56] <SiDi> :D
[20:56] <FLOZz> It's a stupid techno dance !
[20:57] <mac_v> i thought there was a channel split and i was alone. ... ;p
[20:57] <FLOZz> xD
[21:21] <FLOZz> Bye