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YokoZarArneGoetje: I'm worried about weird bugs from symlinking what was a .otf to a .ttf since .ttf is a subset.  Should I?00:37
literalPlease direct me elsewhere if I'm asking in the wrong place, but why doesn't the lib32asound2 package include a pulseaudio plugin? The libasound2-plugins package has it, and the descriptions for both packages are identical (they both mendion pulse).04:16
literalThis is causing skype to crash on login unless I remove pulseaudio from my system completely.04:17
literalRunning on 64bit karmic.04:17
TheMusoliteral: It has to do with the way the 32-bit packages like lib32asound2-plugins are built. A fix is coming, not for that package, but for another package that will provide the pulse plugin.04:18
literalOk, good to know.04:18
literalWhich package will provide it?04:18
literalIn the future, that is.04:19
TheMusoliteral: ia32-libs04:21
literalok04:22
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TheMusoc06:04
TheMusowoops wrong tab06:04
dholbachgood morning06:52
jussi01good morning dholbach07:12
dholbachhiya jussi0107:12
dholbachzul: can you take a loook at bug 378240?07:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 378240 in xen-3.3 "Please merge xen-3.4 (3.4.0-2) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37824007:24
dholbachcan somebody please have a look at bug 414298?07:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 414298 in devscripts "Please merge devscripts_2.10.53 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41429807:29
dholbachi gave it an initial review already, but I'll feel better with another pair of eyes07:29
dholbachit blocks bug 41447107:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 414471 in git-buildpackage "Sync git-buildpackage 0.4.56 (universe) from Debian unstable (main). Note: this requires devscripts (>= 2.10.49). Hence, this request depends on LP #414298." [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41447107:30
dholbachogra: does bug 373100 look good to you?07:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 373100 in thin-client-manager "Thin Client Manager shows nothing in 9.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37310007:32
dholbachasac: how does bug 323752 look to you?07:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 323752 in mobile-broadband-provider-info "Movistar (México) is missing" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32375207:33
dholbachbug 416933 too07:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 416933 in mozzemberek "Sync mozzemberek 0.1.5-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41693307:35
Ryan52geez dholbach, you get crazy amounts of stuff done :)07:41
Ryan52even if indirectly by pinging others.07:41
dholbachRyan52: let's hope they get to it and do it :-)07:43
dholbachjust trying to clean up the sponsoring overview a bit for the release07:44
pittiGood morning07:56
TheMusopitti: If you could get me that symaptic command-line for use in installing packages, hat would be useful, thanks.07:58
TheMusopitti: Or if you could tell me where to find it, thats fine too.07:58
pittioh, I thought I had it in jockey, but seems I'm using python-apt now08:00
* pitti grabs out of early history08:00
pittiTheMuso: ah, there we go: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-branches/ubuntu/hardy/restricted-manager/hardy/annotate/head%3A/RestrictedManager/RestrictedManagerGtk.py#L7308:03
pittiTheMuso: the "self.gtk_idle()" is for showing a bouncing progress bar08:03
pittiTheMuso: that's why I eventually replaced it with python-apt, then you get proper numerical progress08:04
TheMusopitti: hrm ok thanks.08:11
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asacdholbach: 416933 looks good. confirmed09:06
asacdholbach: the other not. i commented and removed sponsors09:10
ograhelp ! why is my inbox being flooded with rosetta mail ?09:33
peciskis loosing icons of all main menu categories identional or could be a bug? (after upgrade) If first one, then it is worst decision ever made by gui guys :)09:41
pochupecisk: it's a design decision, but I think it's been reverted09:54
peciskI think is going from one extreme to another09:55
peciskit's09:55
pecisktoo much icons are burden for eyes, but also they help09:55
loic-mIs the removal of the possibility to change the number of workspaces also a design decision?10:00
peciskloic-m, smells like bug10:07
peciskit just doesn't change value10:08
peciskit = dialog10:08
loic-mWhat package is workspace-switcher in?10:08
peciskloic-m, gnome-applets?10:10
pecisknot sure10:10
loic-mnope, at least the files installed doesn't look like it10:12
peciskloic-m, or it could be gnome-panel10:12
seb128loic-m, it's a known bug10:14
loic-mIdoesn't appear to be it10:14
loic-mseb128: started with Karmic Alpha 5 (different from the old bug)10:14
seb128pecisk, it's not a decision made by us but by GNOME10:15
seb128loic-m, what old bug?10:15
peciskseb128, ohhhh10:15
loic-mOld bug was only the login at install could change the number of workspaces, no new user10:15
peciskseb128, hopefully it will be reverted in Ubuntu?10:15
seb128pecisk, dunno yet, but I guess that will change before karmic10:15
pecisksight10:15
seb128loic-m, dunno about this bug but the current one is a glade->gtkbuilder error10:16
loic-mIn Karmic Alpha 5, even the login used at install can't, because the number of column/rows is stuck to 010:16
seb128I expect it will be fixed today or tomorrow10:16
seb128I never had the "old bug"10:16
loic-mWasn't a problem in Alpha 310:16
loic-mbut fresh Alpha 5 install it's like that10:16
loic-mok, thanks10:17
loic-mI'll use gconf in the meantime10:17
peciskJesus Christ, all main menu icons are gone10:18
loic-mseb128: at least without compiz, users added after install can't get more workspaces than 2 when right-clicking on workspace switcher. And AFAIR it's also the case with compiz light effect enabled10:19
seb128loic-m, again that bug is well known and will be fixed today or tomorrow10:20
seb128loic-m, no need to keep talking about it or describing it10:20
loic-ms/light/normal10:21
loic-mI can't help, I'm but a bot10:23
tseliotpitti: is "nvidia-graphics-drivers-71" in karmic or has it been removed already? If it's still there, can you remove it, please?10:29
pittitseliot: still there10:30
pittitseliot: doesn't work with current x.org any more?10:30
tseliotpitti: no, and Nvidia don't plan on fixing it any time soon10:30
tseliotpitti: therefore its removal is the only solution10:31
pittitseliot: done10:32
tseliotpitti: thanks a lot10:32
pittiseb128: \o/ seems the retracers finally behave10:39
seb128pitti, good job!10:39
pittiweekend with wife away -> productive :)10:39
pitti(but boring to the point when I start doing nasty things, like cleaning the flat and clearing out my lockers and desk..)10:40
seb128lol10:41
mr_pouitdoes someone know if the new gdm supports changing its background picture? (I'm able to change the logo using gconf, but not the background)10:46
seb128mr_pouit, it uses the default system background image10:46
seb128ie the same that you have a default wallpaper10:46
seb128you can probably set the background image for the gdm user to change it10:46
mr_pouitis it /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename?10:47
mr_pouit(because there is no background image at all here)10:48
seb128mr_pouit, correct10:48
seb128mr_pouit, weird, libgnome has a default value for that key10:48
mr_pouitmmh10:50
mr_pouit% gconftool-2 --owner gdm --get /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename10:50
mr_pouit/usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-jaunty.png10:51
mr_pouitif this is correct, this is indeed weird, as I can't see it10:51
seb128mr_pouit, well this key has a value for you apparently no?10:53
mr_pouitseb128: yeah, but gdm doesn't display the image10:54
seb128mr_pouit, I don't know then10:54
seb128could be that it takes the default system value and not the gdm user one10:54
seb128I've not really played with that yet10:54
james_wanyone know if we are supposed to transition to the split zope.* packages from the zope3 package?10:55
wgrantjames_w: You will have to eventually. Has Debian decided yet?10:57
mr_pouitok, thanks anyway, I'll wait for an ubuntu theme that changes the background then :p10:57
james_wwgrant: they are in the process10:57
james_wwgrant: we have some packages synced, but they are still in universe10:57
wgrantjames_w: Ah, great.10:58
wgrantjames_w: Zope 3 has been split completely and renamed upstream, so we must follow.10:58
james_wwgrant: sure, but I want to know if we are doing it for karmic10:58
geserjames_w: see bug #419262 and Debian already removed zope3 from unstable11:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419262 in zope3 "please remove zope3 from karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41926211:05
james_wgeser: thanks11:06
james_wgeser: teach me for working on bugs before AA duties :-)11:06
al-maisanwow! pulseaudio just had my CPU heat up to 93 degrees centigrade.11:09
al-maisan.. and it usually never exceeds 70 degrees.11:10
pitti!11:10
al-maisanI did a 'sudo apt-get upgrade' this morning, followed by a reboot. At some point pulseaudio crashed but I was working and too busy to notice until I saw the CPU temperature value :/11:11
Laneypulseaudio: Keeping you warm in Winter11:16
al-maisanyeah :)11:16
sorencjwatson: So, apparantly, I forgot to bzr push after my most recent Eucalyptus upload. Is there a trick to fix this (since both you and Dustin have pushed to the branch since then) or do I just merge your changes and then push?11:22
cjwatsonsoren: did you at least commit and tag locally?11:32
sorencjwatson: Alternatively, I could grab the branch currently on Launchpad and merge my commit into that one.11:32
sorencjwatson: I did, yes.11:32
cjwatsonsoren: then merge and push, it doesn't much matter which way round11:32
cjwatsonsoren: I strongly recommend using a bound branch ('bzr help bind') to avoid this problem in future11:32
elmowhat's the process for requesting a change in component these days?  it was originally meant ot be part of the sync of rancid, but got missed11:33
sorencjwatson: It used to be bound, but that blew up in my face when the two of us where both committing a lot at the same time. I'll bind it again now that things are calmer.11:34
cjwatsonsoren: blew up how?11:35
sorencjwatson: I11:35
cjwatsonmostly the explosions that happen with bound branches are explosions you want11:36
cjwatsoni.e. "somebody else just committed, you need to update before you can commit"11:36
sorenI just got annoyed by not being able to commit anything locally, because every time I tried, you had updated something, I'd fix the conflicts, commit again, and you had made another commit. I just couldn't keep up. I unbound the branch so that I could get something done and then I dealt with it afterwards.11:37
pittisoren: bzr rebase FTW :)11:43
sorenpitti: I11:43
sorenm not proud of it, but that's essentially what I ended up doing by hand.11:43
soren:)11:43
pittirebase works quite well for such situations IMHO (but merging should just do as well, but leaves some litter in the history)11:44
sorenrebase isn't that horrible if you're only dealing with your own patches. I don't like it if other people's patches are involved.11:45
sorenMerges clearly show the context in which someone committed and tested their code. Reapplying their patches in a completely different point in history may have unwanted sideeffects, and it looks like the original committer's fault.11:46
pittielmo: change component> if it's universe->main, subscribe ubuntu-mir to the bug, otherwise ubuntu-archive11:53
cjwatsonmvo: did you have a chance to look at bug 387112 and figure out how we might resolve this? I've committed the debconf change but as mentioned in a comment it won't actually help *this* upgrade11:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 387112 in debconf "package cups-pdf 2.4.6-4ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38711211:53
elmopitti: reopen the old sync bug?11:53
elmopitti: or open a new one?11:54
pittielmo: reopening will do11:55
al-maisanOh no, there we go again, pulseaudio trying to convert my laptop in a space heater :/11:57
mvocjwatson: no, sorry. I have a look now11:57
al-maisanHow does one debug a problem like this?11:57
pittial-maisan: it takes 100% CPU?12:01
pittial-maisan: usually, I'd run it in foreground mode with --debug (or --verbose or something like this) and see if it's looping on something12:01
al-maisanpitti: yes, I attached strace to it but it just sits there..12:01
pittial-maisan: if that doesn't help, attach strace to it and see what it's failing on12:01
pittial-maisan: ah, so it uses 100% CPU, but strace doesn't show anything?12:01
al-maisanpitti: yes12:02
pittithat shows that it's busy wit calculations12:02
al-maisanapparently12:02
pittial-maisan: so foreground/debugging would be my next step, and then installing -dbgsym and attaching gdb, to see what it's looping on12:02
al-maisanpitti: OK .. thanks!12:02
pittispeaking of debugging, /me dives deeper into gdm12:02
pittigdm is a hilarious pile of indirected and abstracted indirection abstractions *sigh*12:03
al-maisanpitti: I don't envy you :P12:03
pittial-maisan: likewise, though :)12:07
al-maisan:)12:07
mvocjwatson: we could patch the old debconf to remove the use statement when the upgrade starts - what do you think?12:12
cjwatsonmvo: sounds workable12:12
cjwatson(horrible, but workable)12:12
mvook, I assign it to me then12:12
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cjwatsonmichael vogt's sing-a-long upgrader12:14
mvolol12:14
TheMusoIf a ports kernel with a new ABI number FTBFS, plesae don't NBS the older kernel out of the archive till the newer one is available.12:26
TomaszDslangasek, hey, thanks for helping out, here's another curious case https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-share/+bug/42567713:22
ubottuUbuntu bug 425677 in nautilus-share "nautilus-share appears not to be using any translations at all" [Undecided,New]13:22
hyperairhmmm? nautilus-share?13:22
hyperairnot using translations eh..13:22
TomaszDyep13:22
hyperairthis is a curious case.13:22
hyperairare you sure about this?13:22
TomaszDwell, I have fully updated karmic in vbox with all the langpacks applied13:22
TomaszDand it's in English13:22
hyperairfind /usr/share/locale -name 'nautilus-share*'13:23
hyperairtry running that13:23
TomaszDno result13:23
hyperairthen you don't have it installed13:23
TomaszDhow come I can see the window then, in English13:24
TomaszDwhen I try to share a folder13:24
hyperairi meant that you don't have the nautilus-share translations installed13:24
TomaszDoh, well, yes.13:25
TomaszDthat's a bug then.13:25
hyperairso it's not nautilus-share's bug13:25
Laneyhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=nautilus-share&mode=filename&suite=karmic&arch=any13:25
hyperairi'm not sure which package's involved though13:25
hyperairah.13:26
hyperairthe langpack-gnome-XX-base packages.13:26
hyperairTomaszD: please try installing the said package and trying again.13:27
TomaszDit's already installed13:28
seb128$ dlocate nautilus-share.mo13:28
seb128language-pack-gnome-de-base: /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/nautilus-share.mo13:28
seb128...13:28
seb128what locale do you use?13:28
TomaszDpl13:29
TomaszD(pl_PL)13:29
hyperairTomaszD: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/language-pack-gnome-pl-base13:29
seb128in fact translations are installed13:29
seb128nautilus-share probably doesn't init the gettext domain correctly13:29
TomaszDyes they are, I'm suspecting a bug in n-s13:30
TomaszDright, something like that13:30
hyperairhmm13:30
hyperairwrong directory.13:30
hyperairi believe it looks in /usr/share/locale13:30
seb128no, that's the the upstream dir13:31
seb128we strip those and install langpacks in locale-langpack13:31
seb128to avoid conflicts13:31
hyperairdoesn't the path need to be updated?13:31
seb128the translations are found since the context menu entry is translated13:31
seb128but the tab is all english13:31
hyperairhmm, is that so?13:32
hyperairwait13:32
hyperairtab?13:32
TomaszDthe dialog window13:32
seb128the nautilus preferences tab13:32
hyperairokay which parts are not translated exactly?13:32
seb128the nautilus tab13:32
hyperairis that all?13:32
hyperairwhat about the stuff inside it13:32
seb128and the dialog13:32
hyperairhmm13:32
seb128only the context menu entry is translated13:32
hyperairi see.13:32
hyperairthis probably came from the glade->gtkbuilder transition13:32
seb128when clicking "share this folder" the dialog is translated13:33
hyperaireh?13:33
TomaszDhuh13:33
hyperairokay, that is strange.13:33
hyperairery strange13:33
hyperairthe gettext domain is bound when nautilus_module_initialize is called13:33
hyperairif the preferences dialog didn't get translated, the standalone dialog shouldn't either.13:34
TomaszDit doesn't get translated either way for me13:34
seb128it's not13:34
seb128only the context menu item is translated13:35
seb128and the dialog asking if you want to install samba13:35
TomaszDthis dialog about samba is actually translated, but I don't it's a part of nautilus-share13:35
hyperairit is part of nautilus-share.13:36
TomaszDohh kay :)13:36
hyperairthis sounds like the other translation issue i had with the standalone window13:36
TomaszDalright guys I'm way over my head with this, getting back to translating GNOME, the deadline is approaching fast13:37
hyperairmm have fun13:38
TomaszDby the way, policykit-gnome has an outdated translation template in launchpad, thus making it impossible to translate properly, I'm gonna report this in a moment13:39
hyperairseb128: do i need to call gtk_builder_set_translation_domain?13:40
hyperairhmm i'll try that and see what happens. TomaszD: could you test a patch when i upload it to a PPA later?13:40
TomaszDhyperair, sure, as long as info lands in my mailbox or someone calls me out here, I'll make some time to test it13:41
TomaszDI'll be here all day, GNOME is a huge project...13:41
hyperairTomaszD: thanks13:41
hyperair=)13:41
hyperairi'll be done in less than half13:41
seb128hyperair, you don't if it uses the standard domain for the software but it might be required in the nautilus case to set it again13:42
hyperairalright, i'll do that then13:43
hyperairseb128: basically just after gtk_builder_add_from_file right?13:43
seb128hyperair, yes13:44
seb128trying13:44
hyperairi have no useful locales to test13:44
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hyperairmy, my.. what's eating the buildds?14:13
TomaszDwell that's scary, my karmic install just died.14:13
hyperairO_O14:13
hyperairsounds fun14:13
pittihyperair: https://launchpad.net/builders/14:14
hyperairthat's a lot of waiting builds14:14
TomaszDhttp://imgur.com/OoLh9.png14:14
TomaszDI just rebooted normally :(14:15
hyperairsounds like you screwed over your system clock nicely =)14:15
hyperairset it right and you're good to go =D14:16
TomaszDI have touched nothing14:16
hyperairor wait half an hour14:16
TomaszDfsck fixed it, but I doubt it was my fault there14:16
hyperairwell something changed your system clock14:16
davmor2TomaszD: It's known bug14:16
hyperairoh O_o14:16
TomaszDah, good to know.14:16
hyperairsay, will there be a gnome-shell ppa?14:17
hyperairor at least something with the latest unstable?14:17
seb128hyperair, universe14:17
hyperairseb128: that's got .0. now is .214:17
hyperairand of course, we can't get anything new in since featurefreeze is on14:18
hyperairunless gnome-shell gets an exception?14:18
seb128hyperair, right, some people have been on vac in august14:18
hyperairah14:18
seb128hyperair, and required build-depends just got updated this weekened14:18
seb128hyperair, GNOME has a standing exception14:19
hyperairah i see14:19
hyperairwhat are the conditions?14:19
seb128?14:19
hyperairnevermind14:20
seb128GNOME has an exception that's it ...14:20
hyperairi see14:20
seb128that's this way since warty14:20
hyperairhow come, though?14:20
hyperairout of curiosity14:20
seb128we trust GNOME schedule to enforce freezes, respect timelines, etc14:21
hyperairaah14:21
seb128gnome-shell is a bit of a special case but that's a technology preview and we said we would track GNOME3 components too14:21
hyperairspecial case meaning frozen or not frozen?14:23
seb128we will do the updates14:24
hyperairah14:24
seb128it's a special case for GNOME since they don't follow freezes etc14:24
seb128so technically we could not grant exception for that one14:24
seb128but as we said we would track GNOME3 updates14:24
seb128geser, thanks for the empathy fix, don't forget to subscribe the sponsor team though when you have something that needs to be uploaded14:26
hyperairah14:28
geserseb128: I usually do that but wasn't sure if subscribing ubuntu-main-sponsors is right here as the sponsor should ideally also be able to commit the changes to the ubuntu-desktop bzr (or can all core-dev commit there?)14:28
seb128geser, anybody who can upload can commit there14:28
geserthanks, will remember that14:29
TomaszDany gnome-settings-daemon wizards around? What is this "Share Folder" string in the template, where in the UI is that used? isn't it redundant, with nautilus-share?14:30
TomaszDsorry, that was meant for #ubuntu-translations14:31
TomaszD*translators14:31
seb128TomaszD, there is no such string in the source14:32
TomaszDoh crap, I meant gnome-system-tools, sorry!14:33
faganHey, im trying to run gnome-zeitgeist in karmic and I get this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/266684/  it works fine in jaunty.15:07
faganAnyone have a clue what needs to be changed to fix it ?15:07
faganbzr branch lp:~gnome-zeitgeist/gnome-zeitgeist/new-interface is the code thats failing15:12
faganHmmm this question is kinda borderline for this channel I suppose but all im really asking is what changed in python or maybe pygtk since jaunty15:16
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hyperairTomaszD: https://launchpad.net/~hyperair/+archive/bugfixes <-- grab the nautilus-share deb from here and install it.16:01
TomaszDhyperair, right, one moment16:02
TomaszDhyperair, no change, logged out and back again to be sure, but no change16:05
hyperairhrm damnit16:05
hyperairseb128: is this some bug in gtkbuilder?16:09
seb128I doubt it16:10
seb128it could be nautilus which reset the domain or something16:10
hyperairhmm16:10
hyperairthat's painful16:10
seb128it's a small bug I would not say that16:10
hyperairwhich means digging needs to be done in nautilus code16:14
hyperairhow painful16:14
hyperairactually i'm very tempted to just rewrite the entire thing to not use gtkbuilder at all16:14
seb128I doubt it's a nautilus bug, the totem tab is correctly translated16:14
hyperairhmm seriously?16:14
seb128yes16:14
hyperairquestion. is totem's done using gtkbuilder?16:15
hyperairor manually constructed16:15
seb128dunno16:17
hyperairhmm strings seems to show properties.ui and fullscreen.ui.16:19
hyperairbut dpkg -L doesn't show16:19
Keybukkees: around?16:19
keesKeybuk: a bit; on my android, on holiday. sup?16:21
seb128totem-common: /usr/share/totem/properties.ui16:21
seb128seems it's using gtkbuilder16:21
Keybukkees: have a binary I wanted you to run, and supply the output of16:21
Keybukin a "who do I know who loves to have a difficult filesystem setup" kind of way :p16:21
keesheh, sure. what is it?16:22
elmoa r00tkit16:22
Keybukkees: it's the udev/upstarty mount thing16:22
pittiheh, it works for kees → it must work for everyone?16:22
Keybukpitti: exactly ;)16:22
pittiI bet it breaks single-partition, no-raid, no-lvm, no-crypto default ext4 :-)16:23
keesif i don't have to reboot, i can do it now. otherwise i can run it when i get home tonight16:23
Keybukkees: you don't have to reboot16:23
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Keybukkees: amd64 or i386 ?16:23
keesKeybuk: amd6416:23
Keybukok, two seconds16:24
* kees waits for customized rootkit16:24
cjwatson"here's the source, but you need to use the gcc from this PPA"16:27
Keybukhttp://people.canonical.com/~scott/mountall16:27
Keybukrun as16:27
Keybuksudo ./mountall --debug --tmptime=infinity16:27
Keybukand capture the output (tee would be good to use)16:27
Keybukit'll almost certainly pause16:28
Keybukat which point, run udev udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=block from another window16:28
Keybukif you have NFS mounts, etc. it'll still pause, so run killall -USR1 mountall16:28
Keybukit should eventually declare "finished"16:28
keesheh16:28
Keybuk(this should all be perfectly safe)16:28
KeybukI'd like the debug output ;)16:28
ionkeybuk: Mind sharing the sauce?16:29
Keybukion: it's in the Upstart package in the ubuntu-boot PPA16:29
ionThanks16:29
pittiion: what do you believe we are, free software or what?16:29
keesKeybuk: one moment...16:29
pittiion: you have a complex setup, too?16:30
ionpitti: On my server, i have lvm over md. Nothing more complex than that.16:30
pittiion: still, good test case probably :)16:31
davmor2Keybuk: how complicated would you like a setup and in what arch i'll let you have ssh access to a box you can break ;)16:32
Keybukin theory, there should be no setup that this doesn't work on16:32
KeybukI've tested it in the most arbitrarily complex setups that don't even work right now16:32
RainCToops - can some archive admin please reject   gnome-voice-control - 0.4-0~ppa3?16:32
Keybukso LVM-over-RAID-over-two-loop-devices-one-on-a-USB-key-one-on-NFS works16:32
cjwatsonKeybuk: have you tried wubi?16:33
Keybukand swap on that works too16:33
pittiRainCT: sorry, that doesn't work16:33
cjwatsonthat adds the extra constraint of one of the bits being implemented using FUSE16:33
Keybukcjwatson: I'm not sure that wubi makes any difference, unless it needs special handling during boot (of which there is none in the current scripts ;)16:33
pittiRainCT: uploads are accepted straight into soyuz, they don't need to wait for a publisher in the "ACCEPTED" queue any more nowadays16:33
RainCTOh. Well, it'll FTBFS anyway.16:33
cjwatsonKeybuk: I thought there was code to shove the fuse process into omitpids16:33
cjwatsonmaybe that's later16:33
cjwatsonKeybuk: there's definitely magic in the initramfs16:33
Keybukcjwatson: right, this replaces the bits in rcS only16:34
cjwatsonah, ok16:34
pittiRainCT: do you plan to upload it to karmic?16:34
cjwatsonyou might have to care when you do umountall :-)16:34
Keybukcjwatson: indeed ;)16:34
pittiRainCT: I stopped the upload cronjob for now, so we have some minutes to consider16:34
cjwatsonpitti: in theory, if we get into the right five-minute window, we can rm it from ~lp_queue16:34
RainCTpitti: Yes, I plan to get a FFe for it within the next days (but it still needs some testing, I'm getting crashes here).16:35
pitticjwatson: right, that's why I just stopped the process-upload.py cron16:35
RainCT(The "Accepted" mail was already send some minutes ago though. I didn't notice it until it closed the related bugs.)16:36
pittiah, too late then, I think16:36
* ion added the ubuntu-boot PPA to sources.list.d and now runs safe-upgrade. Let’s see whether i’ll still come online after the reboot. :-P16:36
pittiI see it in the queue, but I don't want to mess with that16:36
Keybukion: DON'T16:36
KeybukSTOP!16:36
ionHah, ok16:36
cjwatsonthat good?16:36
Keybukthere's one or two key bits missing ;)16:37
Keybukif this works, then I'll put those in16:37
Keybuk*then* people can test16:37
Keybukbut right now, it won't boot16:37
pitticjwatson: you removed it from ./accepted/upload-20090907-162446-001727/ ? or what do you mean16:37
RainCTpitti: Oh well, thanks anyway. I'll fix it within the next days (or worst case upload a "really" package with the old version)16:38
cjwatsonpitti: no, I didn't touch anything16:39
Keybukkees: any luck?16:39
cjwatsonpitti: if it's been accepted, there's not much sane we can do - build records have already been created16:39
pitticjwatson: ah, "that good" referred to Keybuk's OMGNOO! :)16:39
cjwatsonyeah16:39
keesKeybuk: yup, ran fine16:41
Keybukkees: got the output?16:41
keesKeybuk: yup, sending you email (typing is slow on this tiny keyboard :) )16:41
Keybuknp16:42
Keybukgreat16:42
ion/* FIXME look up underlying device16:42
ionI could contribute some “look up underlying device” code, since i already have a sh prototype somewhere. :-P16:42
keesKeybuk: ok, sent16:42
Keybukion: I was hoping you would16:42
KeybukI left that out precisely because you said you were working on it <g>16:43
ionHehe16:43
Keybukkees: How Many Disks ?!16:45
keesphysically or logically?16:45
Keybuksee, this is why I use you as a test case ;-)16:45
keeshehe16:46
keesit seems like it did the right thing with the fuse mounts, the autofs mounts and the unmounted lv chroots16:47
cjwatsoncome on, show the rest of us16:47
Keybukyeah it should16:47
Keybukkees: did it mount the unmounted things?16:47
Keybukto me it looks like it left your system in the right state16:48
Keybukcjwatson: lol, debug output of a tool is very uninteresting ;)16:49
keesKeybuk: no, i think it didn't change any mounts16:51
cjwatsonoh I dunno, d-i's debug output has been very interesting in the past, e.g. http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-262-1 ;-)16:51
cody-somervillecjwatson, Keybuk: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newdev seems to say that two people from the community council or just folks who are administrators of the ubuntu-dev team can approve developer applications. I've never heard of that before... does that page need updating?16:51
cjwatsoncody-somerville: mm, that whole page looks a bit out of date16:51
cjwatsonit would probably be better to turn most of it into wiki references16:52
ScottKjames_w: Since today is a holiday in the US (so I assume slangasek is off today) I'd appreciate it if you'd put your archive admin hat back on and look at 425775.16:52
cjwatsonI don't recall that two-community-council-members rule16:52
Keybukright, the CC can't approve ubuntu developer membership16:52
Keybuk(they don't even have the requisite LP powers)16:52
cjwatsonadministrators of the ubuntu-dev team => techboard (well, nowadays, developer-membership-board)16:52
keescjwatson: people.canonical.com/~kees/mountall.debug if you really want to see it :)16:53
cody-somervilleIs the only needing two people from the TB also incorrect?16:53
ScottKjames_w: It should help with some armel build failures.16:53
cjwatsonthat's disappointingly fewer than I expected :)16:53
cjwatsoncody-somerville: a work of fiction, as far as I can tell. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers is more accurate16:54
elmoKeybuk: wanna bet? ;-)16:54
cjwatsonelmo: not all of them have the requisite LP powers. :-)16:55
cody-somervillelol16:55
Keybukelmo: duckie abuse doesn't count ;)16:55
ionkeybuk: This might be a stupid idea, but how about adding a char **locks parameter to spawn, and having it open the given /var/lock files and flock them with LOCK_EX after fork and before exec? When fsck is spawned, e.g. {"/var/lock/mountall-fsck-sda", "/var/lock/mountall-fsck-sdb", NULL} would be passed as the parameter if sda and sdb are determined to be the physical devices.17:01
Keybukion: you'd need to clean them up as well17:02
ionOk, if a few zero-byte files in tmpfs is a big deal. :-)17:03
Keybukthings should be clean ;)17:03
ionHeh17:04
ionkeybuk: Oh, btw, mountall requests an ecryptfs passphrase from the user. I have an ecryptfs mounted at ~/Private.17:09
Keybukion: ?17:10
Keybukyou mean mount does?17:10
ionYeah17:10
Keybukhave you got --debug output, not sure why it would have run mount for you17:10
ionkeybuk: http://pastebin.com/f7963f58517:12
ScottKjames_w: Thanks.17:15
Keybukion: err, that looks like an ecryptfs bug!17:15
ionkeybuk: How about creating the directory /var/lock/mountall on startup and recursively deleting it before exiting? An internal queue still a better idea?17:15
Keybukion: it's asking for a passphrase even when called with -f (fake. ie. add to mtab)17:16
ionOk17:16
Keybukion: only if you can figure out the sequencing to make sure /var/lock is mounted before any disk is checked :p17:16
ionAh, good point :-P17:16
KeybukI suspect that dir-o-locks is not going to work17:16
hyperairTomaszD: could you check something -- does it matter whether you open the standalone window or the properties window first?17:32
TomaszDhyperair, doesn't matter17:33
hyperairhmm.17:33
hyperairwhat about if both are open?17:33
TomaszDtried that just now, no change17:33
hyperairbasically the standalone window is translated but the properties window isn't eh..17:34
TomaszDno here, I can give you a screenshot if you don't believe me ;)17:34
TomaszD*not here17:34
hyperairhmm a screenshot might be nice, but i believe you =)17:35
TomaszDhyperair, http://imgur.com/1bBf2.png17:46
hyperairooh gnome shell17:46
hyperairwait a sec17:46
hyperairthe entire standalone window isn't translated either!17:46
hyperairseb128: i thought you said the standalone window was translated!17:46
TomaszDdon't mind the tacky theme, I'm just messing, this is a test install ;)17:47
seb128no, I said that nothing out of the context menu item and the "do you want to install samba" was translated17:47
hyperairah.17:48
hyperairwhoops17:48
hyperairTomaszD: could you try downgrading to nautilus-share 0.7.2-9 and seeing if you see the issue?17:48
hyperairthat's pre-glade-to-gtkbuilder transition17:48
TomaszDhyperair, where do I get the old deb package?17:49
hyperairTomaszD: which architecture are you using?17:49
TomaszDi38617:50
dpmhyperair: I can also reproduce this. Did the translation domain remain the same in the transition to gtkbuilder?17:50
hyperairdpm: yes it did. but i didn't touch the .po files while converting the .glade to .ui17:51
hyperairTomaszD: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-share/0.7.2-9/+build/108929217:51
TomaszDoh crap17:52
TomaszDgdebi-gtk has the same exact issue17:52
hyperair?17:52
TomaszDI just noticed that now while installing nautilus-share17:52
TomaszDit's not translated17:52
TomaszDI mean, partially it is17:52
hyperairhmm17:52
TomaszDI'll go check if that's my lang's problem, but nothing in the UI changed17:52
TomaszDhyperair, I can confirm that the downgraded version has no issues with the translation whatsoever17:55
hyperairTomaszD: aha. okay, thanks for confirming. i'll work on fixing it then17:56
TomaszDyep, I checked, gdebi's translation is also broken17:56
* hyperair doesn't handle gdebi17:58
mdzThe following NEW packages will be installed:18:02
mdz  grub18:02
mdzthat doesn't seem right18:02
ScottKWould some archive admin with shell acess (maybe james_w) please move mgltools-gle from Universe to Multiverse?  It's got a not-for-commercial-use license so it got accepted in the wrong pocket by mistake.18:02
james_wScottK: would you file a bug for reference please?18:03
ScottKjames_w: Sure.18:03
james_wScottK: what's the not-for-commercial-use clause?18:06
ScottKjames_w:   1. Grant Of Limited License; Software Use Restrictions. The programs received by you will be used only for NON COMMERCIAL purposes. This license is issued to you as an individual.18:06
ScottKjames_w: Bug #42581818:07
james_wI don't see that in the copyright file18:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 425818 in mgltools-gle "Please move mgltools-gle to Multiverse" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42581818:07
ScottKIt's in the LICENSE file in the source package.18:07
james_wok18:08
hyperairTomaszD: i noticed you've got commit access to nautilus-share's git repository. do me a favour and change the line "interfaces/share-dialog.glade.in" to "[type: gettext/glade]interfaces/share-dialog.glade.in"18:08
m3FAbout sound in Karmic: when i try to play sound with Nautilus putting my mouse over the sound file i succeed. But when i try to pley music with Listen/Rythmbox i always fail and players brake out Pulse in the process. An automatic bug report was sent from my Ubuntu Karmic instalation. My sound card is Creative Audigy SE. I used to have problems with this card in Ubuntu Hardy and before it. But with Ubnut Jaunty all was good. Now problems are back wit18:08
m3Fh Karmic (i know it is in alpha, i am just reporting the bug). Even the annoying sounds are back (annoying noises when sounds start and end).18:08
james_wmoved in karmic18:08
james_wcan we move in released versions?18:08
ScottKjames_w: Thanks.  We can.  Let me double check that version.18:08
hyperairTomaszD: that should fix it upstream. now i need to get the patch downstream =)18:08
TomaszDhyperair, are you sure? :>18:08
TomaszDabout this fix18:09
hyperairTomaszD: almost completely sure. test build it and check? =)18:09
TomaszDoh boy18:09
hyperairhaha18:09
TomaszDI'm gonna include you as the author of the commit :P18:09
TomaszDone moment18:09
hyperairno problem18:09
hyperairoh yeah, you might like to refresh all the .po files as well18:10
hyperairremove the nautilus-share.pot, and run make update-po inside the po directory18:10
ScottKjames_w: It applies to Jaunty too.18:10
james_wok, thanks18:10
TomaszDhyperair, and commit all those as well or just for my local build?18:11
hyperairTomaszD: commit *.po, and POTFILES.in but not nautilus-share.pot or POTFILES18:11
TomaszDalright18:11
james_wScottK: did you file in Debian?18:12
ScottKjames_w: Not yet.18:12
james_wok, thanks for catching this18:12
TomaszDwait a moment hyperair, where should I find this line?18:13
hyperairTomaszD: po/POTFILES.in18:13
TomaszDah, of course..18:13
hyperairTomaszD: intltool doesn't detect *.ui files as translatable, so if you run make update-po, all the strings get commented out18:14
hyperairTomaszD: that's why the [type: gettext/glade] needs to be set18:14
TomaszDhyperair, the line you talk about reads [type: gettext/glade]interfaces/share-dialog.ui18:15
hyperairTomaszD: it does? already?18:15
TomaszDyes, no "glade" part though18:15
TomaszDin the name18:15
hyperairah.18:15
hyperairlet's see..18:15
hyperairit is gettext/glade isn't it?18:16
hyperair-interfaces/share-dialog.ui18:16
hyperair+[type: gettext/glade]interfaces/share-dialog.ui18:16
hyperairwell that's done then18:16
hyperairhah18:16
hyperair..i'm beginning to really regret patching configure and Makefile.in18:17
TomaszDhyperair, so I don't have to touch anything then?18:18
hyperairnothing =)18:18
TomaszD*phew*18:18
hyperairhaha =)18:18
hyperairi should probably poke federico for a new upstream release18:18
hyperairthere's been loads of translation changes18:18
hyperairit'll also allow me to drop my crazy long series of patches18:19
TomaszDgood idea18:20
hyperairthere's also 10 odd bugfixes i submitted when i took over this package =\18:20
ScottKjames_w: I'll also upload a fixed debian/copyright for Karmic (and file a bug with Debian).18:23
blue0488how is this alpha?18:43
arandalpha-ish18:44
hyperairwell well. i thought 1 hour was bad for waiting time, but 8 hours?18:52
* hyperair sighs18:52
hyperairTomaszD: https://launchpad.net/~hyperair/+archive/bugfixes/+build/1207117 <-- if you're around when this finishes, please test =)18:53
TomaszDETA: 9hrs18:53
TomaszDif I'm awake in 9hrs, I'll be a dead man18:53
hyperair;-)18:54
hyperairanother time then.18:54
hyperairTomaszD: would you trust me enough to use a deb i compiled on my machine? (i'm lazy to wait for the buildds to finish)19:04
TomaszDhyperair, I have no trust issues... not in an isolated testing virtual machine :)19:05
hyperairahaha19:05
hyperairokay then =)19:05
* hyperair starts pbuilder-karmic-i38619:06
LaneyIt takes about 20 seconds from "GRUB loading" to the menu appearing19:18
Laneyis that normal?19:18
hyperairTomaszD: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/169656/nautilus-share_0.7.2-11ubuntu1%7Ehyper2_i386.deb19:20
hyperairLaney: no19:21
sebnerLaney: not really but I didn't install the latest update from today yet19:21
Laneynot today19:21
Laneyit's been like that for ages19:21
Laneysince grub 219:21
sebnerLaney: takes 2-3 seconds here19:21
hyperairsame19:21
TomaszDhyperair, back to square one :(19:22
hyperair=(19:24
hyperairTomaszD: could you temporarily move the nautilus-share.mo files from /usr/share/locale-langpack elsewhere?19:25
Laneyhyperair: can't you test by launching with LANG set to something else?19:25
hyperairhmm19:25
hyperairgood point eh19:25
hyperairlet's see if that works..19:26
TomaszDI thought you didn't want to have to install new langpacks19:26
TomaszDotherwise, just use LANG, yes19:26
hyperairwell.. the package i've created isn't stripped of .mo files19:27
hyperairunlike the nautilus-share package in ubuntu19:27
TomaszDah, true19:27
hyperairnow then, what was your LANG set to again?19:28
cjwatsonLaney: you're not the only person who's reported it, but neither I nor anyone else has managed to track it down yet19:42
cjwatsonLaney: try 'set debug=disk' at the top of /boot/grub/grub.cfg and you might be able to see which disk it's probing (or 'set debug=all' if you want everything, but that might scroll by rather fast)19:42
hyperairhow does one decompile a .mo?19:47
seb128you can run msgunfmt on it19:55
hyperairhmm it seems that gtk_builder_set_translation_domain needs to be set *before* add_blah_blahh..20:05
hyperairbut still it's pretty strange why it didn't work before..20:05
hyperairhmm20:05
hyperairmaybe it's --as-needed?20:06
hyperairno wait, can't be either20:06
hyperairah totem also uses the set_translation_domain trick20:15
hyperairTomaszD: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/169656/nautilus-share_0.7.2-11ubuntu1%7Ehyper3_i386.deb20:22
hyperairthis one works on my system using pl_PL.UTF-820:22
TomaszDhyperair, almost! the "Create Share" button is left untranslated20:27
hyperair!! WHAT20:28
ubottuI am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent.20:28
c_kornlol :)20:28
hyperairTomaszD: that's another bug. but thanks for pointing it out =O20:29
hyperairit's supposed to be Create _Share, but i patched it into Create Share20:30
hyperairwhoops..20:30
hyperairTomaszD: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/169656/nautilus-share_0.7.2-11ubuntu1%7Ehyper4_i386.deb20:42
TomaszDtake 4...20:42
hyperairhehe20:44
TomaszDaaand cut20:44
TomaszDgood job everyone, great acting hyperair, 100% correct20:45
hyperairwoo20:45
TomaszDand now I finally see where do I have to fix those accelerator conflicts20:45
hyperair=O20:48
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RainCTseb128: Hey, can you please also ack bug 303628?23:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 303628 in gnome-voice-control "[Karmic FFe] Update gnome-voice-control package to version 0.4" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30362823:52
seb128RainCT, seems fine to me feel free to upload23:53
RainCTseb128: Thanks :)23:54

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