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dhillon-v10_starcraftman: hi how are you00:09
starcraft-ntbkhi there dhillon-v10_00:09
starcraft-ntbknot bad, working on my backup wiki section, I seem to have singlehandedly volunteered to maintain the HUCs backup docs.00:10
dhillon-v10_I am working on some of the debian stuff like this one of their to-do list00:11
dhillon-v10_just a sec.00:11
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DriveImaging My current work, part of backupyoursystem. Still rough, have to clean it up.00:12
dhillon-v10_nice I am making a poll for people who use various parts on documentation and then submitting it so people can improve quality of stuff that's being used the most00:13
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: ah, I see, got a draft somewhere?00:14
dhillon-v10_http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dE9DWlpOQ1hwVlhWTm5Ca2ZFejJBR2c6MA..00:15
dhillon-v10_the dot part is in the link00:15
dhillon-v10_.. one00:15
dhillon-v10_no nevermind00:16
dhillon-v10_so what do you think00:17
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: neat, shouldn't ya have multiple choices though in a poll? Say wiki, man pages, additional docs, built in help? Also, debian eh, poll just for them or also Ubuntu?00:18
dhillon-v10_well that was in their to-do list do you guys want that too I can make one it take about 3 mins.00:19
dhillon-v10_so should I make one for Ubuntu and submit it to the docs mailling list00:22
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: Oh I wouldn't know, I'm not a senior doc member ya know, might wanna ask mdke the lead or rocket, they kinda run the show and set priorities. We got a to do list, lemme find ya....00:24
dhillon-v10_do you think it is a good idea to just make one and then email rocket00:25
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: I dunno, don't think it was requested at any meeting I attended... I'd ask first. Also, this is one of the to do pages I believe, > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/WikiCleanup00:27
dhillon-v10_I found it :) I think I can actually do the indicator-applet part00:27
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: ah, link so I know which one? We got it kinda spread out.00:28
dhillon-v10_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Tasks00:28
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: ah good yes, thats one page. Wiki team has another page for community docs work, but you prefer system docs eh?00:30
dhillon-v10_I don't know anyone would work00:31
dhillon-v10_* anything00:31
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: It's part of beginners team pages, but ya don't need to join, we overlap with docs team. > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki00:33
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: see current happenings. On keep track of work page, we post pages in real need of rewrite, or use tags to narrow it down.00:34
dhillon-v10_alright, thanks00:34
dhillon-v10_right now I got some homework so talk to you later00:34
dhillon-v10_bye00:34
starcraft-ntbkdhillon-v10_: later00:34
yeagerwhy do some ubuntu-docs link to library.gnome.org for certain information? that information is already in user-guide-xx08:01
dhillon-v10j1mc: hi19:41
starcraftmandhillon-v10: hey there, not much atm, relaxing, been doing wiki work.19:55
dhillon-v10starcraftman: my idea had a really bad start19:55
starcraftmandhillon-v10: Ah, no biggie, and I'm on ml, I watch most exchanges, guess I do more talking on IRC so not a huge sender on them.19:56
dhillon-v10starcraftman: yah I didn't think properly about the idea before putting it up19:56
starcraftmandhillon-v10: plenty of other ways to get started, just pick any task on doc or wiki list and get going. Or maybe make a proposal for something based on rockets feedback, some sort of button or simple feedback means like reddit up down. Most people don't wanna fill huge survey when just using wiki for a bit.19:58
dhillon-v10starcraftman: yah I learned that the hard way :) I am writing documentaiton for indicator applet as there wasn't any preset19:58
dhillon-v10* documentation19:58
starcraftmandhillon-v10: yeah, do most pages by hand, but will learn faster that way. Wiki doesn't have it much better, the templates don't seem to be maintained by any person in particular.20:00
dhillon-v10starcraftman: I have learned a lot from you thanks20:01
starcraftmandhillon-v10: no worries, that's what I'm here for :)20:01
dhillon-v10starcraftman: how should I present ideas without making a fool out of myself20:01
starcraftmandhillon-v10: most people write up a proposal page on a wiki for an idea. Lemme find an example...20:03
starcraftmandhillon-v10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man/Sandbox/Secret > My proropsal for beginner team, not part of docs separate.20:03
dhillon-v10starcraftman: that was definitely smart I didn't think of anything like that20:04
starcraftmandhillon-v10: another nice example > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation/Proposal20:04
starcraftmandhillon-v10: putting on a wiki lets other contribute, put a discussion section at end, see source of either for pointers.20:05
starcraftmandhillon-v10: then ya can always point people to link, either on ml or IRC.20:05
dhillon-v10starcraftman: so wiki is the right place to write proposals alright I will do that from now20:05
starcraftmandhillon-v10: ensure the name is descriptive and indicates what section it belongs to, or simply use a sandbox of your homepage like, starcraft.man/Sandbox as url.20:06
dhillon-v10starcraftman: okay, I think that the polling idea wasn't liked by anyone here so I will modify it to something that is more suitable20:06
dhillon-v10starcraftman: can you give me any ideas on that20:07
starcraftmandhillon-v10: read connor's mail, had good ideas, some sort of built in + or - button that users could easily use to rate pages, would be nice. Might be a bit more involved, don't exactly know how it'd be worked. I just use markup, not edit backend.20:11
dhillon-v10starcraftman: I have a coding for that did that for my school website a little time ago would that work20:11
starcraftmandhillon-v10: put it ina  proposal then, though you might want to consult rocket and mdke before posting to ml. The backend I know is MoinMoin, so look it up and see.20:13
dhillon-v10starcraftman: thanks again for your help, you can solve difficult problems easily :)20:15
starcraftmandhillon-v10: I'm in an engineering program, I'd hope I'm good at problem solving.20:16
dhillon-v10starcraftman: nice I didn't know that I am in my junior year in high school20:16

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