[00:09] <dhillon-v10_> starcraftman: hi how are you
[00:09] <starcraft-ntbk> hi there dhillon-v10_
[00:10] <starcraft-ntbk> not bad, working on my backup wiki section, I seem to have singlehandedly volunteered to maintain the HUCs backup docs.
[00:11] <dhillon-v10_> I am working on some of the debian stuff like this one of their to-do list
[00:11] <dhillon-v10_> just a sec.
[00:12] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DriveImaging My current work, part of backupyoursystem. Still rough, have to clean it up.
[00:13] <dhillon-v10_> nice I am making a poll for people who use various parts on documentation and then submitting it so people can improve quality of stuff that's being used the most
[00:14] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: ah, I see, got a draft somewhere?
[00:15] <dhillon-v10_> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dE9DWlpOQ1hwVlhWTm5Ca2ZFejJBR2c6MA..
[00:15] <dhillon-v10_> the dot part is in the link
[00:15] <dhillon-v10_> .. one
[00:16] <dhillon-v10_> no nevermind
[00:17] <dhillon-v10_> so what do you think
[00:18] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: neat, shouldn't ya have multiple choices though in a poll? Say wiki, man pages, additional docs, built in help? Also, debian eh, poll just for them or also Ubuntu?
[00:19] <dhillon-v10_> well that was in their to-do list do you guys want that too I can make one it take about 3 mins.
[00:22] <dhillon-v10_> so should I make one for Ubuntu and submit it to the docs mailling list
[00:24] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: Oh I wouldn't know, I'm not a senior doc member ya know, might wanna ask mdke the lead or rocket, they kinda run the show and set priorities. We got a to do list, lemme find ya....
[00:25] <dhillon-v10_> do you think it is a good idea to just make one and then email rocket
[00:27] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: I dunno, don't think it was requested at any meeting I attended... I'd ask first. Also, this is one of the to do pages I believe, > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/WikiCleanup
[00:27] <dhillon-v10_> I found it :) I think I can actually do the indicator-applet part
[00:28] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: ah, link so I know which one? We got it kinda spread out.
[00:28] <dhillon-v10_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Tasks
[00:30] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: ah good yes, thats one page. Wiki team has another page for community docs work, but you prefer system docs eh?
[00:31] <dhillon-v10_> I don't know anyone would work
[00:31] <dhillon-v10_> * anything
[00:33] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: It's part of beginners team pages, but ya don't need to join, we overlap with docs team. > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki
[00:34] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: see current happenings. On keep track of work page, we post pages in real need of rewrite, or use tags to narrow it down.
[00:34] <dhillon-v10_> alright, thanks
[00:34] <dhillon-v10_> right now I got some homework so talk to you later
[00:34] <dhillon-v10_> bye
[00:34] <starcraft-ntbk> dhillon-v10_: later
[08:01] <yeager> why do some ubuntu-docs link to library.gnome.org for certain information? that information is already in user-guide-xx
[19:41] <dhillon-v10> j1mc: hi
[19:55] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: hey there, not much atm, relaxing, been doing wiki work.
[19:55] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: my idea had a really bad start
[19:56] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: Ah, no biggie, and I'm on ml, I watch most exchanges, guess I do more talking on IRC so not a huge sender on them.
[19:56] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: yah I didn't think properly about the idea before putting it up
[19:58] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: plenty of other ways to get started, just pick any task on doc or wiki list and get going. Or maybe make a proposal for something based on rockets feedback, some sort of button or simple feedback means like reddit up down. Most people don't wanna fill huge survey when just using wiki for a bit.
[19:58] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: yah I learned that the hard way :) I am writing documentaiton for indicator applet as there wasn't any preset
[19:58] <dhillon-v10> * documentation
[20:00] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: yeah, do most pages by hand, but will learn faster that way. Wiki doesn't have it much better, the templates don't seem to be maintained by any person in particular.
[20:01] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: I have learned a lot from you thanks
[20:01] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: no worries, that's what I'm here for :)
[20:01] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: how should I present ideas without making a fool out of myself
[20:03] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: most people write up a proposal page on a wiki for an idea. Lemme find an example...
[20:03] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man/Sandbox/Secret > My proropsal for beginner team, not part of docs separate.
[20:04] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: that was definitely smart I didn't think of anything like that
[20:04] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: another nice example > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation/Proposal
[20:05] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: putting on a wiki lets other contribute, put a discussion section at end, see source of either for pointers.
[20:05] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: then ya can always point people to link, either on ml or IRC.
[20:05] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: so wiki is the right place to write proposals alright I will do that from now
[20:06] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: ensure the name is descriptive and indicates what section it belongs to, or simply use a sandbox of your homepage like, starcraft.man/Sandbox as url.
[20:06] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: okay, I think that the polling idea wasn't liked by anyone here so I will modify it to something that is more suitable
[20:07] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: can you give me any ideas on that
[20:11] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: read connor's mail, had good ideas, some sort of built in + or - button that users could easily use to rate pages, would be nice. Might be a bit more involved, don't exactly know how it'd be worked. I just use markup, not edit backend.
[20:11] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: I have a coding for that did that for my school website a little time ago would that work
[20:13] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: put it ina  proposal then, though you might want to consult rocket and mdke before posting to ml. The backend I know is MoinMoin, so look it up and see.
[20:15] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: thanks again for your help, you can solve difficult problems easily :)
[20:16] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: I'm in an engineering program, I'd hope I'm good at problem solving.
[20:16] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: nice I didn't know that I am in my junior year in high school