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monteithso i'm about to install mysql (onto my jaunty slice) instead of/over an sqlite3 installation00:16
monteithdo i need to completely remove sqlite3 first to avoid any conflicts?00:16
PiciWhy would you need to remove sqlite3?00:16
monteithfor harddrive space? to free up memory?00:17
monteithi don't know00:17
PiciThey won't conflict, if you feel you need to remove it for other reasons, thats up to you.00:17
monteithcool, thanks00:18
deinspanjerDoes anyone have links to guides for upgrading from an 8.04 desktop to a 9.04 server?  I just made a full backup of everything on the machine so I don't mind a clean install, but I don't have media or a bootable USB drive handy so I'm hoping I can work around that since the machine is currently running 8.0400:26
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ziesemer My DHCP (dhcpd) server stays running, but apparently non-functional after using "/etc/init.d/networking restart" in 9.04.  Is this to be expected?01:12
foobziesemer: what do you mean its non-funcational...is it not giving out IP addresses to clients...01:13
ziesemerCorrect.  I can sniff packets, and see the requests, but no responses.  Once I manually do "/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart", all is better.01:13
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ziesemerIt doesn't seem to be an issue for other services, e.g. sshd.  Or is this because sshd just binds to all available interfaces, while dhcpd is probably binding only to the specific interface (eth0) that disappeared and reappeared, and was never re-bound?01:15
foobafter you do networking restart did have look the /var/log/messages and see what log messages you are getting01:15
ziesemerAbsolutely nothing, until I restart dhcpd, then see the "DHCPREQUEST" and "DHCPACK" messages immediately after it restarts and shows the other starting messages.01:17
foobziesemer: you need to tell the dhcp server which network segments your server is authoritaviate for....is this configured01:20
ziesemerYes.  dhcpd.conf contains "authoritative;", and has a subnet defined on a subnet that matches a statically-configured address on eth0.01:21
ziesemerAnd generally, it works - but just doesn't survive "networking restart".01:22
foobcan do following and see what interface is DHCP listening on lsof -i4 -P01:24
Alysumhi - does  mkfs.ext3 allow me to resize a partition online without erasing data? thanks01:24
foobdoes anyone know of good guides that show how to recompile kernel under ubuntu...01:28
ziesemer_foob: "lsof -i4 -P" shows no change before and after "networking restart".  Name: "UDP *:67", and the same FD and DEVICE #'s.01:36
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foobhow do i find out which version of ubuntu server i am running i.e. 7.10, 9.04 etc via CLI...02:48
nick125lsb_release -r02:50
foobnick125: thanks that did the trick i had to install lab-release package...02:53
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uvirtbot`New bug: #425478 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42547803:21
jbusamhi guys... is there somewhere a HCL? for the server LTS04:45
twb!HCL04:56
ubottuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection04:56
twbubottu: good boy04:56
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about good boy04:56
jbusamthanks guys... I try to find out if 8.04 is running on a dell M710 blade04:57
PhotoJimno reason why it shouldn't05:00
jbusamhmmm... just talked to the hoster and according to them... ubuntu 8.04 LTS doesn't boot (kernel panic) and debian lenny boots05:02
PhotoJimthat's weird05:02
PhotoJimit would be relatively easy to run Ubuntu with a Debian Lenny kernel if you wanted05:03
jbusamyeah... I'm using it on all my other servers... but with this new project nothing seems to go right ;-)05:03
PhotoJimis 8.04 the latest Ubuntu they support?05:04
PhotoJimJaunty might well be worth a try.05:04
jbusamcustomer insists on LTS.. but is fine with debian... orfl05:04
jbusamrofl05:04
PhotoJimwell, if 8.04 U won't work and Lenny D will, Lenny it is.05:05
PhotoJimif he insists.05:05
PhotoJimeither that, or you install an older version of Ubuntu, roll a custom kernel, and then dist-upgrade to 8.0405:05
giovaniwhat is it in LTS that is required?05:05
qman__my guess is that long term support is what's required05:06
jbusamjust the multiple years security fixes... he doesn't want to move the system for 3 years05:06
giovaniI wasn't aware debian offered a guarantee of support length05:06
jbusamme niether05:06
giovaniso I don't know why it'd be considered05:06
giovaniif support itself is required05:06
PhotoJimwill it boot with a non-server kernel?  if so it wouldn't be hard to create a server installation with that kernel.05:07
PhotoJimthe server edition is just a slightly different kernel, and a lot fewer default-installed packages.05:07
PhotoJimDebian doesn't split out kernels.  desktop and server share a kernel.05:07
jbusamdunno... can't test05:08
giovaniwhat is it that "doesn't work"?05:08
jbusamall I get from the IT guys over there is that it throws a kernel panic while trying to boot05:09
jbusamnot muc ho go on05:09
giovaniheh05:10
giovaniyeah, that's not useful05:10
PhotoJimsounds like your mind is made up for you05:10
PhotoJimif they won't hel you, and you can't unilaterally experiment, it has to be Debian, given the choice of two options given by the client05:10
PhotoJimhelp, that is05:10
qman__yeah, it could be any number of things05:12
giovaniright, but, as PhotoJim said -- if you can't experiment ... then obviously you have to use something else05:12
qman__without being in front of it to diagnose where and when it crashes, you can't really narrow it05:12
PhotoJimmy guess is it'd be easy to work around it05:13
PhotoJimbut unless you have physical access or can access a console, you are SOL05:13
jbusamyeah05:13
qman__the kernel on the install disc obviously works, so if you could replace it or even just tweak the options you could probably get it working, but yeah05:14
qman__nothing you can do without access05:14
jbusamthe only other choice I would have is centos... but... well05:14
jbusamas i understood it.. not even the disc is booting05:14
qman__oh?05:15
jbusamso maybe there are changes between the 2.6.24-24 and the 2.6.26-2 which are needed for the m71005:15
giovanior maybe there are patches that broke something05:15
jbusamthx guys... will have to go with debian I guess...05:16
PhotoJimif you could do it, booting and installing an older version of Debian and upgrading to 8.04 would be the easiest workaround.05:17
PhotoJimeither that, or try a newer version, of course.05:17
giovanihaha05:17
giovanithat sounds like an awful idea in production05:17
PhotoJimon a brand new system, minimal risk.05:17
jbusamthat's exactly the point... I wanted a very clean system for the production machine...05:17
PhotoJimdon't install anything but base utils.  upgrade.  then install packages.05:17
giovanirisk? sure, not any05:17
giovaniit's an ugly hack05:17
giovanifor little gain05:18
PhotoJimwell, if a person really wanted to do Ubuntu.05:18
PhotoJimI'm not saying it's optimal.05:18
PhotoJimbut it's workable and it's not that risky.  just more time-consuming.05:18
giovaniI didn't know he was that ubuntu-desperate05:18
jbusamI would have preferred to use ubuntu, because I have it on all other machines...05:19
giovanithen try a newer ubuntu release05:19
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twbGraah!  Downgrade the following packages: libldap-2.4-2 [2.4.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 (now) -> 2.4.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 (hardy-security)]05:27
twbIt seems the 8.04.3 live CD includes packages from hardy-updates.05:28
twbHave I misunderstood the purpose of hardy-updates?  I thought that it was something you turned on when you wanted to allow new features (i.e. new bugs) into your system.05:29
twbubottu: hardy-updates05:30
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about hardy-updates05:30
pipedreamfrom sources.list05:49
pipedream## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the05:49
pipedream## distribution.05:49
pipedreamdeb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted05:49
pipedreamtwb: ^^05:49
pipedreamRecommended Updates (hardy-updates)". Updates for serious bugs in Ubuntu packaging that do not affect the security of the system.05:50
pipedreamtwb https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Updates Tab05:50
pipedreamtwb: you're being a bit tough on -updates05:50
twbOK, thanks.  I will need to talk to management about maybe being allowed to enable that.06:00
uvirtbot`New bug: #425551 in openssh (main) "package openssh-server 1:5.1p1-6ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42555109:01
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acalvohi09:14
acalvoif I restart the postfix daemon, will I lose the current queue?09:14
acalvoI give up trying to set up sympa09:24
acalvogoing straight with mailman09:24
kworkwhat remote desktop server software to use, krfb has really distorted image09:30
erichammondacalvo: The email queue is stored on disk and should not be negatively impacted by restarting the postfix service.09:42
acalvoerichammond: you're right, I've tought it was linked somehow with the volatile memory used by the daemon09:42
erichammondkwork: I don't know what the official Ubuntu answer is, but you might want to check out NX from nomachine.com.  They have a free (but not open source) edition you can use for simple cases.  It's blazing fast even over slow links.  I use this with the Ubuntu desktop images I publish for Amazon EC2 on http://alestic.com09:44
kworkerichammond, so client and server both are free to use ?09:45
kworki cant even belive people cant fix that krfb, it has been broken since 8.04 atleast09:45
erichammondkwork: I believe the free server limits you to 2 concurrent users09:46
kworkokey thats fine for me09:46
kworktnx for input ill try it out09:46
jmarsdenMaybe also check out xrdp  -- seems like a similar thing?09:46
kworkerichammond,  can i access my desktop via NX or only new destkop instance ?09:58
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twbxrdp is pretty alpha11:08
twbIf you can dictate the client side, NX is better11:08
twbBut then, ssh is also better...11:08
kworkthe thing is sometimes i need to access MY desktop11:09
kworknot only box itself11:09
kworkthou quick look @nx showed that i can get new session running, but i wonder can i access my current desktop11:10
twbPfft, real men have their desktop inside screen for precisely this reason11:11
kworkdesktop inside screen11:12
kworkthat i hear for the first time11:12
kworkhows that even possible11:12
andoltwb: Where The Desktop is equivalent to Emacs? :)11:13
twbandol: yes, GNU Screen is the windowing system, and Emacs is the desktop environment.11:13
twbhttp://twb.ath.cx/words/emacs-desktop.txt11:13
andoltwb: Not sure if I'm there myself yet11:15
twbI don't even run X anymore11:15
twbuvesafb gives me native 800x480 and Terminus-12x6, so it's almost identical to ratpoison + xterm -fn schumacher-clean-120-60-*11:16
PC_Nerd101I'm following the NTP tutorial on ubuntugeek.com - and it says to uninstall ntpdate before installing ntp, could someone explain why it needs uninstalling and whether or not it will screw up any of the time related information on my installation ?11:17
twbntpdate is obsolete11:18
twbntp now knows how to do the same job (-qx?)11:18
andoltwb: Wouldn't call ntpdate obsolete. If you have a computer online online now and then ntpdate might be the prefered choice.11:19
twbandol: ssh, quiet.11:19
andols/online online/only online/11:19
twbI actually do that :-)11:19
andolok11:20
PC_Nerd101hmm ok :) thanks11:21
PC_Nerd101for keeping the time synced across a number of computers I want to set a specific server (pool.ntp.org) as its server...... can I do this using ntpdate or do I need to install and run the ntp package, removing ntpdate as pare the tutorial ?11:22
twbpool.ntp.org is wrong.  You should use <your ISO 639 code>.pool.ntp.org11:22
PC_Nerd101ok - but what about the ntp vs ntpdate ?11:23
twbI believe we already answered that11:23
PC_Nerd101so for a server, I want ntp... ? - thanks.11:26
garymchow do i find a file in terminal?13:12
garymcim looking for maain.conf.php13:12
Davieygarymc: "locate" if the file isn't new, or "find"13:12
Daviey"$ locate maain.conf.php"13:12
giovanior just update the db yourself -- "sudo updatedb"13:20
giovanithen use locate13:20
garymcfound it thanks13:23
olyhi, can any one tell me is openvz is built into newer ubuntu kernels and which versions might have it14:36
olycurrently 2.6.18 does not have drivers for my network card, 2.6.28 upwards does but there is no openvz kernel, so i either have to attempt a compile or get a newer kernel with support14:37
olyi read that debian has openvz built in from version 2.6.29 so i am curious if this is also the case with ubuntus kernel14:38
sorenoly: Ubuntu's kernels do not have openvz, no.15:17
sorenoly: Not since Hardy.15:17
olyis there a reason why its no longer included15:18
olyie, something else you should be using thats better ?15:19
giovanioly: KVM ... it's become the defacto standard for linux kernels15:24
olyokay thanks for that info soren and giovani15:30
sorenoly: OpenVZ is a big patch. Back in Hardy, the work to get it included was done by OpenVZ themselves. They did not continue this work for Intrepid and onwards.15:39
olyokay its just got a load of setups here using OpenVZ15:40
olybut just setup a new server using a newer ubuntu, but we cant move the machines to it15:41
giovanioly: there are instructions on how to set up openvz on later ubuntu releases on the internet15:41
olyyeah i did come accross some of them the problem being openvz seems to old15:41
olywe need at least kernel 2.6.28 because of the servers hardware15:41
giovaniguess you'll be compiling your own kernel then15:42
giovanior check the PPA15:42
olyyeah, looking that way15:42
olyis there a ppa for openvz ?15:42
giovanihuh?15:42
giovaniPPAs are per-individual15:42
giovaninot per-package15:42
giovaniyou'd just have to search15:42
olyyeah i meant are you aware of any but, yes i will have to look15:43
giovanino, I hate openvz15:43
olyalso what about migration15:43
olyany tools for that ?15:43
giovanimigration of what?15:43
olyto move from openvz to kvm15:43
giovaniuh ... no clue -- that's better asked in #openvz or #kvm15:44
olyokay15:44
olythanks for the info though :)15:45
garymchey would anyone know why my sound works fine through my thin client then after a couple of times playing a file. it just plays silence? So i reboot Thin client and its ok for a bit then siklence again?16:27
AmgineHi! I've tried to install fastcgi on my (older) Ubuntu server, force reloaded and get a write error. Info about the server, error are at http://pastebin.ca/155721316:44
AmgineWhat I'm looking for is the chmod cantrip to give the server write permissions to /var/lib/apache2/fastcgi16:45
AmgineIf there's anyone here, I have an apache2 write error. Details here: http://pastebin.ca/155731117:08
kinnazAmgine, running apache with what user17:12
AmgineVanilla install.17:12
AmgineI presume www-data17:12
kinnaznetstat -anp | grep apache17:13
Amginetcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:80              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      6053/apache217:13
kinnazaww17:13
kinnazthat was fail :D17:14
Amgine<nods> Big fail.17:14
kinnazps -axu | grep apache17:14
AmgineShould I paste this here?17:16
kinnazis there www-data17:16
kinnazor whats the user17:16
AmgineYes.17:16
kinnazso check out to whom the file bewlongs17:16
Amgine<has no idea how to do that from the command line>17:18
AmgineActually, it's owned by www-data17:20
kinnazls -la /var/lib/apache217:21
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kinnazpaste the fastcgi line17:21
domasapparmor? :)17:21
Amginedrwxrwxr-x  3 www-data www-data 4096 2009-09-07 09:14 fastcgi17:21
domascheck dmesg for apparmor messages :))17:22
Amgine<waves @ domas>17:22
domashi!17:22
AmgineActually, I think Atglenn just fixed it behind my back.17:23
domashehe17:25
AmgineThanks kinnaz! I *think* it's working, but we'll soon see.17:28
uvirtbotNew bug: #419515 in openldap (main) "[FFe] Update to 2.4.18" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41951518:06
Amgine<requests user page deletion: [[User talk:Amgine]]>18:35
Amginebah, ww.18:36
g-hennuxhi!19:37
g-hennuxi have a problem with kvm virtualization in ubuntu 9.0419:38
g-hennuxtrying to setup a 9.04 vm, using either virt-install or vmbuilder19:38
g-hennuxinstallation works fine, but the vms are unable to boot19:38
g-hennuxi see grub, then "Boot from (hd0,0) ext3 ... Starting up..." and then nothing19:38
g-hennuxand there it stalls with 48% cpu usage19:39
g-hennux(according to virt-manager)19:40
Claw6_how to start a bash booting ?19:44
Claw6_like hybserv e.q :)19:44
g-hennuxsame happens if the harddisk is not partitioned using LVM20:01
g-hennuxthe workaround from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/396219 fixed this20:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 396219 in kvm "kvm guests hang after startup" [Undecided,New]20:14
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uvirtbotNew bug: #425915 in eucalyptus (main) "UEC installer does not set up a bridge device by default for Eucalyptus nodes (NCs)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42591521:21
orutrabuenas tardes21:35
orutraando como perdido21:35
Pici!es21:36
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.21:36
orutraok perdon21:37
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orutravoy pa lla21:37
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uvirtbotNew bug: #417163 in openldap (main) "NSS overlay (nssov) fails to load" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41716323:34
uvirtbotNew bug: #424541 in eucalyptus (main) "When installing a node controller, a bridge device should be created" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42454123:41

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