[00:16] <monteith> so i'm about to install mysql (onto my jaunty slice) instead of/over an sqlite3 installation
[00:16] <monteith> do i need to completely remove sqlite3 first to avoid any conflicts?
[00:16] <Pici> Why would you need to remove sqlite3?
[00:17] <monteith> for harddrive space? to free up memory?
[00:17] <monteith> i don't know
[00:17] <Pici> They won't conflict, if you feel you need to remove it for other reasons, thats up to you.
[00:18] <monteith> cool, thanks
[00:26] <deinspanjer> Does anyone have links to guides for upgrading from an 8.04 desktop to a 9.04 server?  I just made a full backup of everything on the machine so I don't mind a clean install, but I don't have media or a bootable USB drive handy so I'm hoping I can work around that since the machine is currently running 8.04
[01:12] <ziesemer>  My DHCP (dhcpd) server stays running, but apparently non-functional after using "/etc/init.d/networking restart" in 9.04.  Is this to be expected?
[01:13] <foob> ziesemer: what do you mean its non-funcational...is it not giving out IP addresses to clients...
[01:13] <ziesemer> Correct.  I can sniff packets, and see the requests, but no responses.  Once I manually do "/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart", all is better.
[01:15] <ziesemer> It doesn't seem to be an issue for other services, e.g. sshd.  Or is this because sshd just binds to all available interfaces, while dhcpd is probably binding only to the specific interface (eth0) that disappeared and reappeared, and was never re-bound?
[01:15] <foob> after you do networking restart did have look the /var/log/messages and see what log messages you are getting
[01:17] <ziesemer> Absolutely nothing, until I restart dhcpd, then see the "DHCPREQUEST" and "DHCPACK" messages immediately after it restarts and shows the other starting messages.
[01:20] <foob> ziesemer: you need to tell the dhcp server which network segments your server is authoritaviate for....is this configured
[01:21] <ziesemer> Yes.  dhcpd.conf contains "authoritative;", and has a subnet defined on a subnet that matches a statically-configured address on eth0.
[01:22] <ziesemer> And generally, it works - but just doesn't survive "networking restart".
[01:24] <foob> can do following and see what interface is DHCP listening on lsof -i4 -P
[01:24] <Alysum> hi - does  mkfs.ext3 allow me to resize a partition online without erasing data? thanks
[01:28] <foob> does anyone know of good guides that show how to recompile kernel under ubuntu...
[01:36] <ziesemer_> foob: "lsof -i4 -P" shows no change before and after "networking restart".  Name: "UDP *:67", and the same FD and DEVICE #'s.
[02:48] <foob> how do i find out which version of ubuntu server i am running i.e. 7.10, 9.04 etc via CLI...
[02:50] <nick125> lsb_release -r
[02:53] <foob> nick125: thanks that did the trick i had to install lab-release package...
[03:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #425478 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425478
[04:45] <jbusam> hi guys... is there somewhere a HCL? for the server LTS
[04:56] <twb> !HCL
[04:56] <twb> ubottu: good boy
[04:57] <jbusam> thanks guys... I try to find out if 8.04 is running on a dell M710 blade
[05:00] <PhotoJim> no reason why it shouldn't
[05:02] <jbusam> hmmm... just talked to the hoster and according to them... ubuntu 8.04 LTS doesn't boot (kernel panic) and debian lenny boots
[05:02] <PhotoJim> that's weird
[05:03] <PhotoJim> it would be relatively easy to run Ubuntu with a Debian Lenny kernel if you wanted
[05:03] <jbusam> yeah... I'm using it on all my other servers... but with this new project nothing seems to go right ;-)
[05:04] <PhotoJim> is 8.04 the latest Ubuntu they support?
[05:04] <PhotoJim> Jaunty might well be worth a try.
[05:04] <jbusam> customer insists on LTS.. but is fine with debian... orfl
[05:04] <jbusam> rofl
[05:05] <PhotoJim> well, if 8.04 U won't work and Lenny D will, Lenny it is.
[05:05] <PhotoJim> if he insists.
[05:05] <PhotoJim> either that, or you install an older version of Ubuntu, roll a custom kernel, and then dist-upgrade to 8.04
[05:05] <giovani> what is it in LTS that is required?
[05:06] <qman__> my guess is that long term support is what's required
[05:06] <jbusam> just the multiple years security fixes... he doesn't want to move the system for 3 years
[05:06] <giovani> I wasn't aware debian offered a guarantee of support length
[05:06] <jbusam> me niether
[05:06] <giovani> so I don't know why it'd be considered
[05:06] <giovani> if support itself is required
[05:07] <PhotoJim> will it boot with a non-server kernel?  if so it wouldn't be hard to create a server installation with that kernel.
[05:07] <PhotoJim> the server edition is just a slightly different kernel, and a lot fewer default-installed packages.
[05:07] <PhotoJim> Debian doesn't split out kernels.  desktop and server share a kernel.
[05:08] <jbusam> dunno... can't test
[05:08] <giovani> what is it that "doesn't work"?
[05:09] <jbusam> all I get from the IT guys over there is that it throws a kernel panic while trying to boot
[05:09] <jbusam> not muc ho go on
[05:10] <giovani> heh
[05:10] <giovani> yeah, that's not useful
[05:10] <PhotoJim> sounds like your mind is made up for you
[05:10] <PhotoJim> if they won't hel you, and you can't unilaterally experiment, it has to be Debian, given the choice of two options given by the client
[05:10] <PhotoJim> help, that is
[05:12] <qman__> yeah, it could be any number of things
[05:12] <giovani> right, but, as PhotoJim said -- if you can't experiment ... then obviously you have to use something else
[05:12] <qman__> without being in front of it to diagnose where and when it crashes, you can't really narrow it
[05:13] <PhotoJim> my guess is it'd be easy to work around it
[05:13] <PhotoJim> but unless you have physical access or can access a console, you are SOL
[05:13] <jbusam> yeah
[05:14] <qman__> the kernel on the install disc obviously works, so if you could replace it or even just tweak the options you could probably get it working, but yeah
[05:14] <qman__> nothing you can do without access
[05:14] <jbusam> the only other choice I would have is centos... but... well
[05:14] <jbusam> as i understood it.. not even the disc is booting
[05:15] <qman__> oh?
[05:15] <jbusam> so maybe there are changes between the 2.6.24-24 and the 2.6.26-2 which are needed for the m710
[05:15] <giovani> or maybe there are patches that broke something
[05:16] <jbusam> thx guys... will have to go with debian I guess...
[05:17] <PhotoJim> if you could do it, booting and installing an older version of Debian and upgrading to 8.04 would be the easiest workaround.
[05:17] <PhotoJim> either that, or try a newer version, of course.
[05:17] <giovani> haha
[05:17] <giovani> that sounds like an awful idea in production
[05:17] <PhotoJim> on a brand new system, minimal risk.
[05:17] <jbusam> that's exactly the point... I wanted a very clean system for the production machine...
[05:17] <PhotoJim> don't install anything but base utils.  upgrade.  then install packages.
[05:17] <giovani> risk? sure, not any
[05:17] <giovani> it's an ugly hack
[05:18] <giovani> for little gain
[05:18] <PhotoJim> well, if a person really wanted to do Ubuntu.
[05:18] <PhotoJim> I'm not saying it's optimal.
[05:18] <PhotoJim> but it's workable and it's not that risky.  just more time-consuming.
[05:18] <giovani> I didn't know he was that ubuntu-desperate
[05:19] <jbusam> I would have preferred to use ubuntu, because I have it on all other machines...
[05:19] <giovani> then try a newer ubuntu release
[05:27] <twb> Graah!  Downgrade the following packages: libldap-2.4-2 [2.4.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 (now) -> 2.4.9-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 (hardy-security)]
[05:28] <twb> It seems the 8.04.3 live CD includes packages from hardy-updates.
[05:29] <twb> Have I misunderstood the purpose of hardy-updates?  I thought that it was something you turned on when you wanted to allow new features (i.e. new bugs) into your system.
[05:30] <twb> ubottu: hardy-updates
[05:49] <pipedream> from sources.list
[05:49] <pipedream> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[05:49] <pipedream> ## distribution.
[05:49] <pipedream> deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted
[05:49] <pipedream> twb: ^^
[05:50] <pipedream> Recommended Updates (hardy-updates)". Updates for serious bugs in Ubuntu packaging that do not affect the security of the system.
[05:50] <pipedream> twb https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Updates Tab
[05:50] <pipedream> twb: you're being a bit tough on -updates
[06:00] <twb> OK, thanks.  I will need to talk to management about maybe being allowed to enable that.
[09:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #425551 in openssh (main) "package openssh-server 1:5.1p1-6ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425551
[09:14] <acalvo> hi
[09:14] <acalvo> if I restart the postfix daemon, will I lose the current queue?
[09:24] <acalvo> I give up trying to set up sympa
[09:24] <acalvo> going straight with mailman
[09:30] <kwork> what remote desktop server software to use, krfb has really distorted image
[09:42] <erichammond> acalvo: The email queue is stored on disk and should not be negatively impacted by restarting the postfix service.
[09:42] <acalvo> erichammond: you're right, I've tought it was linked somehow with the volatile memory used by the daemon
[09:44] <erichammond> kwork: I don't know what the official Ubuntu answer is, but you might want to check out NX from nomachine.com.  They have a free (but not open source) edition you can use for simple cases.  It's blazing fast even over slow links.  I use this with the Ubuntu desktop images I publish for Amazon EC2 on http://alestic.com
[09:45] <kwork> erichammond, so client and server both are free to use ?
[09:45] <kwork> i cant even belive people cant fix that krfb, it has been broken since 8.04 atleast
[09:46] <erichammond> kwork: I believe the free server limits you to 2 concurrent users
[09:46] <kwork> okey thats fine for me
[09:46] <kwork> tnx for input ill try it out
[09:46] <jmarsden> Maybe also check out xrdp  -- seems like a similar thing?
[09:58] <kwork> erichammond,  can i access my desktop via NX or only new destkop instance ?
[11:08] <twb> xrdp is pretty alpha
[11:08] <twb> If you can dictate the client side, NX is better
[11:08] <twb> But then, ssh is also better...
[11:09] <kwork> the thing is sometimes i need to access MY desktop
[11:09] <kwork> not only box itself
[11:10] <kwork> thou quick look @nx showed that i can get new session running, but i wonder can i access my current desktop
[11:11] <twb> Pfft, real men have their desktop inside screen for precisely this reason
[11:12] <kwork> desktop inside screen
[11:12] <kwork> that i hear for the first time
[11:12] <kwork> hows that even possible
[11:13] <andol> twb: Where The Desktop is equivalent to Emacs? :)
[11:13] <twb> andol: yes, GNU Screen is the windowing system, and Emacs is the desktop environment.
[11:13] <twb> http://twb.ath.cx/words/emacs-desktop.txt
[11:15] <andol> twb: Not sure if I'm there myself yet
[11:15] <twb> I don't even run X anymore
[11:16] <twb> uvesafb gives me native 800x480 and Terminus-12x6, so it's almost identical to ratpoison + xterm -fn schumacher-clean-120-60-*
[11:17] <PC_Nerd101> I'm following the NTP tutorial on ubuntugeek.com - and it says to uninstall ntpdate before installing ntp, could someone explain why it needs uninstalling and whether or not it will screw up any of the time related information on my installation ?
[11:18] <twb> ntpdate is obsolete
[11:18] <twb> ntp now knows how to do the same job (-qx?)
[11:19] <andol> twb: Wouldn't call ntpdate obsolete. If you have a computer online online now and then ntpdate might be the prefered choice.
[11:19] <twb> andol: ssh, quiet.
[11:19] <andol> s/online online/only online/
[11:19] <twb> I actually do that :-)
[11:20] <andol> ok
[11:21] <PC_Nerd101> hmm ok :) thanks
[11:22] <PC_Nerd101> for keeping the time synced across a number of computers I want to set a specific server (pool.ntp.org) as its server...... can I do this using ntpdate or do I need to install and run the ntp package, removing ntpdate as pare the tutorial ?
[11:22] <twb> pool.ntp.org is wrong.  You should use <your ISO 639 code>.pool.ntp.org
[11:23] <PC_Nerd101> ok - but what about the ntp vs ntpdate ?
[11:23] <twb> I believe we already answered that
[11:26] <PC_Nerd101> so for a server, I want ntp... ? - thanks.
[13:12] <garymc> how do i find a file in terminal?
[13:12] <garymc> im looking for maain.conf.php
[13:12] <Daviey> garymc: "locate" if the file isn't new, or "find"
[13:12] <Daviey> "$ locate maain.conf.php"
[13:20] <giovani> or just update the db yourself -- "sudo updatedb"
[13:20] <giovani> then use locate
[13:23] <garymc> found it thanks
[14:36] <oly> hi, can any one tell me is openvz is built into newer ubuntu kernels and which versions might have it
[14:37] <oly> currently 2.6.18 does not have drivers for my network card, 2.6.28 upwards does but there is no openvz kernel, so i either have to attempt a compile or get a newer kernel with support
[14:38] <oly> i read that debian has openvz built in from version 2.6.29 so i am curious if this is also the case with ubuntus kernel
[15:17] <soren> oly: Ubuntu's kernels do not have openvz, no.
[15:17] <soren> oly: Not since Hardy.
[15:18] <oly> is there a reason why its no longer included
[15:19] <oly> ie, something else you should be using thats better ?
[15:24] <giovani> oly: KVM ... it's become the defacto standard for linux kernels
[15:30] <oly> okay thanks for that info soren and giovani
[15:39] <soren> oly: OpenVZ is a big patch. Back in Hardy, the work to get it included was done by OpenVZ themselves. They did not continue this work for Intrepid and onwards.
[15:40] <oly> okay its just got a load of setups here using OpenVZ
[15:41] <oly> but just setup a new server using a newer ubuntu, but we cant move the machines to it
[15:41] <giovani> oly: there are instructions on how to set up openvz on later ubuntu releases on the internet
[15:41] <oly> yeah i did come accross some of them the problem being openvz seems to old
[15:41] <oly> we need at least kernel 2.6.28 because of the servers hardware
[15:42] <giovani> guess you'll be compiling your own kernel then
[15:42] <giovani> or check the PPA
[15:42] <oly> yeah, looking that way
[15:42] <oly> is there a ppa for openvz ?
[15:42] <giovani> huh?
[15:42] <giovani> PPAs are per-individual
[15:42] <giovani> not per-package
[15:42] <giovani> you'd just have to search
[15:43] <oly> yeah i meant are you aware of any but, yes i will have to look
[15:43] <giovani> no, I hate openvz
[15:43] <oly> also what about migration
[15:43] <oly> any tools for that ?
[15:43] <giovani> migration of what?
[15:43] <oly> to move from openvz to kvm
[15:44] <giovani> uh ... no clue -- that's better asked in #openvz or #kvm
[15:44] <oly> okay
[15:45] <oly> thanks for the info though :)
[16:27] <garymc> hey would anyone know why my sound works fine through my thin client then after a couple of times playing a file. it just plays silence? So i reboot Thin client and its ok for a bit then siklence again?
[16:44] <Amgine> Hi! I've tried to install fastcgi on my (older) Ubuntu server, force reloaded and get a write error. Info about the server, error are at http://pastebin.ca/1557213
[16:45] <Amgine> What I'm looking for is the chmod cantrip to give the server write permissions to /var/lib/apache2/fastcgi
[17:08] <Amgine> If there's anyone here, I have an apache2 write error. Details here: http://pastebin.ca/1557311
[17:12] <kinnaz> Amgine, running apache with what user
[17:12] <Amgine> Vanilla install.
[17:12] <Amgine> I presume www-data
[17:13] <kinnaz> netstat -anp | grep apache
[17:13] <Amgine> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:80              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      6053/apache2
[17:13] <kinnaz> aww
[17:14] <kinnaz> that was fail :D
 Big fail.
[17:14] <kinnaz> ps -axu | grep apache
[17:16] <Amgine> Should I paste this here?
[17:16] <kinnaz> is there www-data
[17:16] <kinnaz> or whats the user
[17:16] <Amgine> Yes.
[17:16] <kinnaz> so check out to whom the file bewlongs
[17:18] <Amgine> <has no idea how to do that from the command line>
[17:20] <Amgine> Actually, it's owned by www-data
[17:21] <kinnaz> ls -la /var/lib/apache2
[17:21] <kinnaz> paste the fastcgi line
[17:21] <domas> apparmor? :)
[17:21] <Amgine> drwxrwxr-x  3 www-data www-data 4096 2009-09-07 09:14 fastcgi
[17:22] <domas> check dmesg for apparmor messages :))
[17:22] <Amgine> <waves @ domas>
[17:22] <domas> hi!
[17:23] <Amgine> Actually, I think Atglenn just fixed it behind my back.
[17:25] <domas> hehe
[17:28] <Amgine> Thanks kinnaz! I *think* it's working, but we'll soon see.
[18:35] <Amgine> <requests user page deletion: [[User talk:Amgine]]>
[18:36] <Amgine> bah, ww.
[19:37] <g-hennux> hi!
[19:38] <g-hennux> i have a problem with kvm virtualization in ubuntu 9.04
[19:38] <g-hennux> trying to setup a 9.04 vm, using either virt-install or vmbuilder
[19:38] <g-hennux> installation works fine, but the vms are unable to boot
[19:38] <g-hennux> i see grub, then "Boot from (hd0,0) ext3 ... Starting up..." and then nothing
[19:39] <g-hennux> and there it stalls with 48% cpu usage
[19:40] <g-hennux> (according to virt-manager)
[19:44] <Claw6_> how to start a bash booting ?
[19:44] <Claw6_> like hybserv e.q :)
[20:01] <g-hennux> same happens if the harddisk is not partitioned using LVM
[20:14] <g-hennux> the workaround from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/396219 fixed this
[21:35] <orutra> buenas tardes
[21:35] <orutra> ando como perdido
[21:36] <Pici> !es
[21:37] <orutra> ok perdon
[21:37] <orutra> gracias
[21:37] <orutra> voy pa lla