[00:35] <Daskreech> Is there a way to run a GUI app from the CLI for another user?
[00:35] <Daskreech> Krunner is screwed
[01:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, can you email me a list of organizations (educational, business, government, non-profit, etc) that are using Kubuntu? I have the french government at the moment. I was going to use the Canary Islands, but they're using a) a derivative, and b) it was only until the start of 2009
[01:52] <ScottK> ryanakca: Riddell's offline until Thursday.
[01:56] <ryanakca> ScottK: Bummer. Well, if anybody else can provide me with a list, please do, otherwise, I can wait until he gets back...
[02:46] <shtylman> seele: for the slideshow during install
[02:47] <shtylman> I need the text reviewed and more text added to the konqueror page
[03:56] <nixternal> shtylman: who is doing the text?
[11:16] <ghostcube> morning
[11:56] <markey> "It's no secret that when it comes to technology news sites, OSNews isn't exactly the cream of the crop."
[11:56] <markey> isn't that so
[11:57] <markey> what a stupid article: http://www.osnews.com/story/22113/Kubuntu_Gets_Some_Love
[12:29] <jussi01> markey: oh dear. who wrote that?
[12:43] <jussi01> So USB creator is still borked. Yay for fun :)
[12:47] <shtylman> nixternal: I did the current text mostly as a placeholder
[13:01] <rgreening> jussi01: try from my PPA
[13:01] <jussi01> rgreening: for karmic?
[13:01] <rgreening> new version 0.2.5 isn't relaeased yet, but I have a beta in my PPA that does.
[13:01] <rgreening> yes
[13:02] <jussi01> ahh, ok. I just went meh and burned the disc.
[13:02] <rgreening> Im hoping we can release 0.2.5 soon
[13:02] <jussi01> so burned the disc and made the usb from that
[13:02] <rgreening> 0.2.4 got horribly broken
[13:02] <jussi01> which worked fine.
[13:03] <rgreening> I just uploaded 0.2.5~beta4 to my PPA... testing would be welcome :) (once it builds)
[13:03] <rgreening> lp:~roderick-greening
[13:16] <jussi01> rgreening: Ill give it a go in a while.
[13:18] <rgreening> excellent. ty
[13:19] <ghostcube> Kubuntu is a distribution which always felt a bit like the stepchild Canonical never really wanted to have
[13:19] <ghostcube> wtf ?? who wrote this crap
[13:19] <rgreening> yeah. I saw that article. some people will write anything without even contacting the devs for questions. Not real journalism at all.
[13:20] <rgreening> I wish some of the people would act like real journalists...
[13:20] <rgreening> ha
[13:21] <ghostcube> heh
[13:21] <rgreening> os news needs a smack for publishing utter crap
[13:22] <ghostcube> haha
[13:22] <ghostcube> anyone owns an botnet ?
[13:22] <ghostcube> rofl
[13:22] <rgreening> lol
[13:25] <jussi01> rgreening: argh. waitign for the build...
[13:25] <jussi01> someone link me to the build queue?
[13:28] <rgreening> jussi01: 4 hours wait apparantly... grr... https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+build/1208123
[13:29] <rgreening> jussi01: you can download the beta3 maybe... it should still be available in PPA
[13:29] <rgreening> beta3 works too.
[13:29] <jussi01> rgreening: doesnt look that way :(
[13:29] <jussi01> grumble.
[13:30] <rgreening> jussi01: if you add the PPA see if it comes up
[13:30] <jussi01> rgreening: could you just mail me a 386 deb?
[13:30] <rgreening> https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+files/usb-creator-kde_0.2.5~beta3_all.deb
[13:31] <jussi01> ooh, fanks
[13:31] <rgreening> https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+files/usb-creator-common_0.2.5~beta3_all.deb
[13:31] <rgreening> you need both the common and kde deb
[13:31] <rgreening> dpkg -i usb-creator-common_0.2.5~beta3_all.deb usb-creator-kde_0.2.5~beta3_all.deb
[13:32] <jussi01> rgreening: yeps :D
[13:32] <rgreening> cool. beta4 mostly updated the gtk stuff
[13:34] <jussi01> rgreening: still got a bit of an issue...
[13:35] <jussi01> rgreening: the format button dont work.
[13:39] <rgreening> jussi01: intentional at the moment. it was explicitly disabled due to issues with the back-end support
[13:41] <rgreening> jussi01: devicekit-disks (used by back-end) has an issue. There is an open bug reprt on it. See:https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23541
[13:41] <jussi01> rgreening: oh...
[13:41]  * jussi01 goes to try remember how to format properly in kde...
[13:41] <rgreening> jussi01: it's being worked on. I believe evand is trying to get a work around in the meantime.
[13:42] <rgreening> jussi01: sudo fdisk <dev>
[13:42] <rgreening> jussi01: delete the partitions and create a new one
[13:42] <rgreening> jussi01: mark it a bootable and set the type to 'b' Fat 32
[13:42] <rgreening> jussi01: then save and exist fdisk.
[13:43] <jussi01> rgreening: I got to figure out which /dev it is first :D
[13:43] <rgreening> jussi01: now mkfs.vfat on the partition
[13:43] <rgreening> dmesg after pluggin it in
[13:43] <rgreening> should tell you /dev/sdc1 or somethnig like that
[13:43] <jussi01> ahh, sdb. (and good point)
[13:43] <rgreening> :)
[13:44] <rgreening> sudo fdisk /dev/sdb
[13:44] <rgreening> d to delete
[13:44] <rgreening> n for new
[13:44] <rgreening> t for type
[13:45] <rgreening> a for bootable flag
[13:45] <rgreening> w to save
[13:45] <rgreening> :)
[13:46] <jussi01> do I want extended or primary?
[13:50] <jussi01> rgreening: ok, I went for primary, 1. How do I know the partition now to run mkfs.vfat on?
[13:51] <jussi01> oh never mind...
[13:51] <jussi01> headdesk
[14:01] <jussi01> rgreening: It didnt work. :/
[14:01] <jussi01> rgreening: the created USB says that it hasnt got an OS, remove and reboot.
[14:12] <rgreening> jussi01: weird
[14:13] <rgreening> jussi01: can you mount the usb stick?
[14:13] <rgreening> jussi01: can you verify the FS is vfat?
[14:18] <rgreening> jussi01: and did you remember to set eh bootable flag to on for the partition?
[14:20] <rgreening> jussi01: it should look something like this in fdisk:
[14:20] <rgreening>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[14:20] <rgreening> /dev/sdc1   *           1        1012     2007777    b  W95 FAT32
[14:20] <rgreening> notice the '*' for bootable and 'b  W95 FAT32' for FS type
[14:21] <rgreening> jussi01: also the fdisk anbd mkfs commands need to be done while the stick is unmounted else it gets corrupted.
[14:22] <siegie> When i select encrypted home, the swap partition wil also be encrypted. This means that hibernate can't work. Could hibernate be removed from the menu in the case of encrypted swap?
[14:28] <rgreening> siegie: I think swap unencryption occurs early on so it should work (unless you tested and it doesn't). In the later case, file a bug report aboutit.
[14:33] <siegie> rgreening: it doesn't work in my case. When I look at the bluprint specification "Ubuntu installations with Home Directory Encryption selected should encrypt swap space and disable hibernation capabilities. " with tell my that hibernation wil be disabled. It's maybe the case in ubuntu but not kubuntu. I just want to make sure that kubuntu will not be forgotten with new features in ubuntu.
[14:48] <rgreening> siegie: oh, didn't realize that. Riddell ^
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell is away unitl thursday
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> *until
[15:52] <nixternal> shtylman: if you need me to do the text write up stuff, let me know...marketing and that kind of stuff is my background :)
[15:53] <rgreening> jussi01: evand has released 0.2.5 usb-creator-kde. SO I expect it to be uploaded and building soonish
[16:25] <yuriy> hmm this might be nice for the feedback plasmoid http://amroth.coldshock.net/kmess/blog/generally-kmess/allowing-user-feedback-with-likeback/
[16:36] <maco> hey what was it about a kubuntu firefox package?
[16:38] <maco> i dont suppose itd be possible to teach firefox to say "Ubuntu" in its User Agent when logged into gnome and "Kubuntu" when in KDE so that we show up as "Kubuntu"?
[16:38] <maco> (right now, all ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu users show as ubuntu)
[16:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: batl10n for l10n packages :P
[16:40] <apachelogger> actually, I seem to remember that I told you once already :P
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: should we do it?
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> seems to be a matter of somebody having enough bandwidth
[16:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can't hurt, though I find it mostly pointless
[16:41] <apachelogger> it will be difficult to communicate to users that they need to install kde-l10n-$theircode
[16:42] <apachelogger> even considering that the ppa users are probably more advanced ones anyway
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> should the langpacks depend on their corresponding kde-l10n?
[16:42] <apachelogger> they should
[16:42] <apachelogger> Riddell said that arne was going to implement that for karmic
[16:42] <apachelogger> but it's not yet done there either
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> so basically jaunty is screwed for KDE 4.3 translations, oh well
[16:43] <apachelogger> yeps, because I wasn't enough of a PITA when I backported kde-l10n for hardy back in the days :(
[16:44]  * JontheEchidna wonders if the templates for the packages with abort -> cancel string changes have been imported to rosetta yet
[16:45] <apachelogger> good thing it is so easy to check, huh? :S
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> if only one could search the entire source package
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I can't reproduce the language-selector issue
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> hmm, maybe it's fixed then
[16:46] <apachelogger> when I close install-package l-s just goes ahead
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> cool
[16:46] <apachelogger> then reports that the packages have been installed
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> huh
[16:46] <apachelogger> which is a bug of it's own but lower profile
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> well, at least it doesn't hange with the grey screen anymore
[16:47] <apachelogger> aye
[16:47] <apachelogger> closing as fixed
[16:47] <apachelogger> reporting new bug :D
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> :D
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdepim/+pots/akregator/es/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=abort
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> Still has abort strings in the template, meaning that those three strings are totally untranslated
[16:49] <apachelogger> prepare the suse-like translations system I say
[16:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe we didn\t change them?
[16:50] <apachelogger> or did we?
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> we changed them for a papercut
[16:50] <apachelogger> well, those strings as well :{
[16:50] <apachelogger> :P
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> and we have a bug report about that last string
[16:50] <apachelogger> darn you qwerty
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh welly
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> "Abort fetches" was changed to "Cancel fetches" and shows up as English :(
[16:52] <apachelogger> eh
[16:52] <apachelogger> you are wrong
[16:52] <apachelogger> our change were incomplete
[16:52] <apachelogger> take a look at the diff
[16:52] <apachelogger> -    stopAction->setText(i18n("&Abort Fetches"));
[16:52] <apachelogger> +    stopAction->setText(i18n("C&ancel Fetches"));
[16:53] <apachelogger> not "abort fetch"
[16:53] <apachelogger> eh, fetch aborted even
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[16:53] <apachelogger> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdepim/+pots/akregator/es/281/+translate
[16:53] <apachelogger> that one is actually translated
[16:54]  * JontheEchidna wonders how many languages that string will actually be translated in
[16:55] <apachelogger> 5
[16:55] <apachelogger> if we are lucky
[16:55] <apachelogger> I am quite sure german will not be translated
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> :(
[16:56] <apachelogger> oh
[16:56] <dpm> apachelogger: JontheEchidna: I've heard this change for the first time, so I don't think translators would know about it. Could you guys e-mail ubuntu-translators about it?
[16:56] <apachelogger> oh, no one wrote a mail
[16:57] <apachelogger> no wonder my system is all englishy :D
[16:57]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna into producing some content there
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> "halp, translate stringz pl0x" :P
[16:57] <apachelogger> also I was wrong when I said that language-selector reports success where there is none ... it actually checks the exit code, which is 0 if install-package is properly quit
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> I'll try to find all the places where the abort strings were changed
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> then send off an email
[16:58] <apachelogger> if for example it gets xkilled l-s will tell the user in a friendly manner that the language could not be set
[16:58] <dpm> :) Just a brief e-mail announcing the changes will do
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gypsy branch every package branch and grep :)
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> dpm: ok, I like that better
[16:59] <apachelogger> lazy b.. :P
[16:59] <dpm> I could do it myself, but you guys know better which changes
[16:59] <apachelogger> good nus everyone, qt-language-selector is bugfree (reportwise at least)
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> \0/
[17:00] <apachelogger> if anyone cares to improve the UI though...
[17:00] <apachelogger> makes me wanna throw up every single time I see it
[17:00]  * JontheEchidna wonders when UI freeze is
[17:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so what does gdebi do to prevent premature exits?
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> uhh... I haven't checked actually
[17:01] <apachelogger> lol
[17:01] <apachelogger> so it might not do anything about it at all? :P
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> I did test that
[17:02] <apachelogger> now where do I find a deb that gdebi does not refuse to install due to newer version being installed -.-
[17:02] <apachelogger> dantti: pling pling
[17:03] <dantti> apachelogger: hey
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> huh, it does close. I really thought I tested that
[17:04] <apachelogger> dantti: hola, can we haz --refresh (to refersh package cache) and multi-argument support for the name based installation?
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> I do know for a fact that adept does this, though
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> the question is... how the heck does it do it?
[17:05] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm you want kpk to have --refresh and --instal-package pkg1 pkg2 pkg3?
[17:05] <apachelogger> aye
[17:05] <apachelogger> I actually have a hack for tha latter somewhere on my netbook ... I got a bit bored one might say ;)
[17:05] <dantti> apachelogger: well iirc you already can install multiple packages..
[17:06] <apachelogger> dantti: yeah, but that requires multiple options
[17:06] <apachelogger> so --install pkg1 --install pkg2 --install pkg3
[17:06] <dantti> for the refresh part I can add that option, (I'll also add it to the DBus session interface) so i can remove some code from kded
[17:06] <apachelogger> which is not very user friendly and requires more code in applications using this particular option
[17:07] <dantti> apachelogger: well the problem i had is that when dolphin (for example) calls kpk with multiple packages i can't distinguich what are they..
[17:08] <apachelogger> dantti: pardon?
[17:09] <dantti> apachelogger: if you can give me a patch to test, I have some other stuff (more important imo) to do now, but surelly if in the future i find out how to deal with both cases I'll change it
[17:09] <dantti> apachelogger: the problem is that i tryied to do that, (the --install-pkg) but i had some limitations..
[17:09] <dantti> if you have a patch i can test it..
[17:09] <apachelogger> dantti: well, in theory you only need to change it for the install by name case .
[17:10] <apachelogger> don't care about the file name stuff ;-)
[17:11] <dantti> apachelogger: I'll put on my todo.. I'm finishing the new simulate ui..
[17:12] <apachelogger> supporting multiple arguments for both would actually require a pretty similar implementation ... basically you need to create the qstringlist yourself by iterating over args.arg(i)
[17:12] <apachelogger> dantti: I'll send you my changes later today for some inspiration :)
[17:12] <dantti> apachelogger: ok, thanks :)
[17:14] <apachelogger> oh dear lord, update-manager started installing stuff
[17:14] <apachelogger> beware apachelogger's broken machine -.-
[17:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, I can close the gdebi installation dialog
[17:18] <apachelogger> also seems to interrupt the installation
[17:21] <ScottK> Can't gdebi go away?
[17:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: install-package depends on it
[17:22] <apachelogger> also it is more userfriendly than kpk at this point
[17:22] <apachelogger> so first I'd nuke install-package and then hunt down gdebi
[17:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the only sensible solution I can think about: reimplement kapplication and override it's quit slot, to prevent quitting
[17:23] <apachelogger> or at least display a warning and exit with non-0 exit code
[17:55] <apachelogger> this pykde stuff cracks me up
[17:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:  oh well, let's just get install-package replaced by kpk
[17:56] <apachelogger> not worth digging in that mess
[17:56] <spstarr> hmm
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Agreed. RESOLVED WHOGIVESASHIT
[17:59] <apachelogger> nice resolution tag
[17:59] <apachelogger> must remember
[18:00] <apachelogger> KDE detected that one or more internal sound devices were removed.
[18:00] <apachelogger> Do you want KDE to permanently forget about these devices?
[18:00] <apachelogger> oh my
[18:04] <apachelogger> oh and networkmanager is also installed again
[18:04] <apachelogger> how I hate distupgrades -.-
[21:46] <spstarr> yeah, I will get a PPA setup for Qt 4.6/KDE trunk for people wanting to play, it will take time though at least for the KDE bits, I dont build of all of KDE daily, just the parts I use mainly for development
[23:35] <shtylman> nixternal: lp:~shtylman/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kubuntu-slideshow ... in the slides/kubuntu folder , if you could take a look at the verbage that would be great :)
[23:35] <shtylman> apachelogger: still need that installer style package?