[00:15] when use usb-creator, using image as source and a FAT32 pendrive as target, i got this in startup and notting more happens: http://leleobhz.pastebin.com/d27d8d832 [00:16] someone know this issue? [00:23] leleobhz: what are you using as source? [00:24] has anyone got the irc to work in empathy? [00:25] virtuald: karmic alpha5 image [00:25] as far as i can see it expects a real cd [00:25] but i don't know python :) [00:28] leleobhz: try to mount the image and specify the mount point instead of the image [00:29] has anyone got the freenode irc to work in empathy? [00:29] i can try [00:31] speaking of empathy, did they ever get the sound effects working in empathy? [00:33] well now nothing works :p [00:33] I don't know I need to get the irc working [00:33] but it was like that before too, i probably have to reboot [00:34] google telepathy debuging [00:40] <_virtuald> it works [00:41] i've noticed that with alpha 5 when playing music the volume varies greatly? [00:42] is this a know bug? [00:42] known* [00:47] when will alpha6 come out? [00:47] or is the schedule on track, not that i have the url for it [00:47] !releaseschedule [00:47] Sorry, I don't know anything about releaseschedule [00:48] !eta [00:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about eta [00:48] aww [00:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [00:49] oh its in teh topic [00:49] ubottu need a lesson... Fudge: hehe ;) [00:49] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:51] i do [00:51] September 17th | | | Alpha 6 | [00:51] how will karmic do on eeepc today [00:54] hrhodes3 netbook remix dosent perform to well on my 701 [00:56] I use to full desk top on my eeepc 1000hd and it works great [00:57] I just want to make sure the live karmic will not break it [00:59] hrhodes3 im not sure how to stop the cpu stepping [01:00] i dont know either [01:01] !stepping cpu [01:01] Sorry, I don't know anything about stepping cpu [01:02] Testing out "Service Pack Creator" of PackageKit, and when I save my package.list, it is empty. Is this project still in its infancy, hopefully to be ready by release time? [01:03] "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor" is a gnome-panel applet that may provide what you are looking for [01:06] mac_v, think we plugged the massive leak you were seeing, though it's probably not the end of the problems... [01:07] bad patch was causing nautilus to essentially leak all of the UI widgets (sidebar, views, etc) [01:11] good ngiht for all users!! [01:17] awalton: I think that ubuntu should consider a new file manager, I am using dolphin and even this one is much newer, it is a way reliable [01:17] aboSamoor, good for you. [01:32] Where is there a list of Desktop UI improvements? [01:38] Pulse audio its crashed!:s [01:38] in my netbook, pulseaudio have 101% of my cpu:S [01:38] in terminal with "top" [01:51] DKcross, lol 101% it seriously reports that or you messin? [01:52] DKcross, and yes... pulseaudio is a mess on my end too. [01:52] upgraded to karmic and now my comp. is super slow?... [01:52] it is working well for me at the moment but ... === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [01:52] rhythmbox is not logging in right now [01:53] bernie_, you have to understand.... its not really for desktop use.... expect it to be buggy and buggy it is. [01:53] although logging out of Gnome and logging back in might fix that [01:53] other than that I tweaked my pulse audio config [01:53] Polterge|st, share your tweak... did it fix the crashing? [01:53] so how do i go back to jaunty [01:53] tj83, well first thing you should do tj83 [01:53] bernie_, i'm not sure you can [01:54] log out of Gnome and go to the terminal and delete ~/.pulse [01:54] get rid of your old settings first [01:54] ok, so kill the config folder, got ya... [01:54] since it recreates itself [01:54] Here's a Karmic question -- will we see xen kernels for 9.10? [01:54] oh and before you do that [01:54] do this "killall pulseaudio" [01:54] and do it until it says "no such process" [01:55] Polterge|st, but it respawns to quickly... [01:55] you have to keep hitting the up arrow and hitting enter again [01:55] I've been using the debian kernel trick and it seems pretty hokey. It works, but it just doesn't seem right .:-) [01:55] eventually you will kill it [01:55] then you need to look at your settings in /etc/pulse/client.conf [01:56] so i have to wamonths before i can maximize a window that doesn't take 30 sedconds [01:56] and also in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf [01:56] Polterge|st, oddly enough this time it said no killed right away... perhaps it died indefinitely while i was out lol [01:56] ok, what about the .confs? [01:56] I played around with a bunch of different settings in the fragment area at the bottom [01:57] enable real time priority in daemon.conf [01:57] and enable real time priority level 5 [01:57] and also enable nice = -11 [01:57] and enable remixing [01:57] and then enable mem-lcok [01:57] mem-lock* [01:58] memory lock rather [01:58] * tj83 was hand writing this.... think i'll print :) [01:58] at the bottom I changed my packet and packet duration values to be 8 packets at 5 milliseconds a piece [01:59] if that doesn't work then play around with 10 - 12 [01:59] Polterge|st, can you just pastbin your .confs ? [01:59] 10 - 12 packets at 5 milliseconds a piece [01:59] yeah [01:59] hold on a moment [01:59] TY [02:01] ok tj83 try this [02:01] anyone know how to fix a slow computer with Karmic? [02:01] http://pastebin.com/m57e18891 that goes in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf [02:01] you could just copy and paste it probably [02:02] Polterge|st, ty i will. [02:02] and that is on the highest resampler value but is still working well for me [02:02] ok now in /etc/pulse/client.conf [02:02] ... [02:03] anyone know where I could get help with a slow computer with Karmic? [02:03] define slow [02:03] http://pastebin.com/m5e724d5 this is my /etc/pulse/client.conf [02:04] Polterge|st, working now, let you know in a few many thanks [02:04] takes 30 seconds to maximieze a window [02:04] what are your specs? [02:04] try to disable compositing first... [02:04] oh and tj83 [02:04] goto System>Preferences>Appearance [02:04] I have one other thing I can show you that might help also [02:04] intel embedded chipset [02:04] then goto the advanced, or effects tab, its the last on the right [02:05] and make sure none is checked [02:05] p4 [02:05] kubuntu or ubuntu? [02:05] ubuntu [02:05] is compiz enabled? ie effects? [02:06] Polterge|st, ok whats that? i created back ups or my original files, replaced with yours, i killed pulse and removed ~/.pulse [02:06] no compiz [02:06] check /etc/X11/xorg.conf [02:06] try and use the "vesa" driver [02:06] pl tj83 here is the last config [02:06] put this in /etc/asound.conf http://pastebin.com/m4ac416b8 [02:06] billybigrigger, compiz will have effects under vesa? [02:07] tj83, these are the config files for tweaking out pulse [02:07] your audio quality should be a bit better by default now [02:07] doing the last now Polterge|st i hope it helps and appreciate it [02:07] but then my monitor looks like crap; i won't have the proper resolution [02:07] your system is set to look for 4 speakers / channels by default now and set the pulse audio daemon to real time [02:08] that and it is set to respawn and not just die [02:08] Polterge|st, strangely asound.conf does not exist at that path for me? [02:08] yeah the tutorial said you can create it [02:08] ah ok. [02:08] it hasn't hurt anything on my system so far [02:09] ok now after you save those config files do this ... "sudo alsa force-reload" [02:09] or do "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart | sudo alsa force-reload" [02:10] anyone know how to fix a slow computer in Karmic? [02:10] those last commands are just to make sure you kill, restart, and reload the audio daemon and all of its modules [02:10] Polterge|st, done... any restarting of x or anything like that? full reboot? [02:11] naaa [02:11] just do the command I typed above now [02:11] and then try to restart a music player and test it out [02:11] Polterge|st, lets see :P [02:11] it may help you because after I switched to those settings it seemed to help my setup [02:11] I have almost not audio stuttering at all now except for when my system is really loaded down [02:11] and that is just because of the kernel [02:12] Polterge|st, ok, well the applications that would not load music media still dont, but vlc did before, and still does, and yes.. quality is much better! woot [02:12] SCORE! for Polterge|st [02:13] :) [02:13] tj83, just keep updating now [02:13] Polterge|st, i dont care what the other say about ya, your a good dude :P [02:13] and it should probably find more updates [02:13] hehe [02:13] thanks [02:13] lol [02:13] * tj83 says smoke break [02:14] I was about to do the same thing [02:14] hehe [02:14] I will be back in about 10 [02:15] pulseaudio is bad!:.. [02:16] 2860 dk 20 0 87488 5112 3988 R 91 0.5 3:49.25 pulseaudi [02:22] Anyones volume control broken>? [02:22] or at least the applet [02:22] it always segfaults for me [02:24] anyone know how to fix slow computer with Karmic on it? [02:24] my karmic cannot see wireless. can someone help? [02:24] :\ [02:24] bernie_, what is the problem? [02:24] your computer is more slow with karmic? [02:25] everything is slower, a lot slower [02:25] stuck in molasses slow [02:25] is this an upgrade or full install [02:25] upgrade from Jaunty [02:25] ugh [02:26] yea they can be nasty [02:27] what can i do? [02:27] are your video drivers install [02:27] and you need to define slow [02:27] even typing is slow; all browers are slower [02:28] is compiz enabled? [02:28] no compiz; I have Intel embedded chipset Brookdale something... [02:28] hmm [02:28] intel drivers have been under rapid upgrade and revision [02:29] I run nvidia [02:29] every problem i have had with ubuntu is almost always associated with this stupid intel chipset [02:30] bernie_, for a desktop 8.04 is prolly the best bet for u. [02:30] someone suggested to install xorg-video-2.4 for intel but i can't find it in Karmic [02:32] can i downgrade back to Jaunty or 8.04? [02:32] there is a crash report icon up top [02:32] bernie_, i ALWAYS do clean installs. less chances of problems. just back up your stuff. [02:32] I guess changing the repo back and frocing versions would do it.. but [02:32] bernie_, probably pulseaudio lol [02:32] I dont think its a good idea [02:33] what is a clean install? [02:33] starting with a clean partition bernie_ :) [02:33] like using the whole hdd [02:35] bernie_, well, not required.... just the partition its installed to.... if you dont have multiple partitions besides swap, then you will want to offload your things to another media like an external drive or over the network to another pc, dvd's something. [02:36] bernie_, if securing your data and partitioning are not familiar territory moving to karmic was a BAD idea. [02:37] what can i do then? [02:37] bernie_, i would suggest saving your files you really want to keep and then just re-installing 8.04 [02:37] well, for the next time, I recommend making a /home partition on the harddisk. Just keep all your stuff under that, you can nuke the OS at will. [02:37] i don't have any data that is life threatning [02:38] a suitable system partition is something like 6 GB or more, depending on how maximalist you are [02:38] easily done then, pop in a 8.04 disk and on your way :) look into manually partitioning in the installer and save yourself a headache or two in the future and make some storage space [02:38] bernie_: I've heard that the ubuntu installer now saves your /home directory. But, I don't know if that's true, or if it is true for hardy [02:39] danbhfive, its certainly NOT true unless you created an individual /home partition to begin with. and you carefully re-install. [02:40] my xorg.config file is bare bones; could that be athe problem [02:41] tj83: well, it certainly wasn't true awhile ago, but the person who told me seemed sure of himself... [02:42] bernie_, no, anymore the system depends very little on xorg.conf some have an entirely blank one. [02:42] good, i hate that thing [02:43] danbhfive, ask him after his next install :) [02:56] hmm. None of these iso-to-usb image writing software seem to work for me... usb-imagewriter crashed on trying to unmount a not-mounted device (maybe I should mount it so that it could unmount it, the stupid thing), and the official usb-creator just flatly refuses to work, it appears to claim it doesn't find the image file it's supposed to write and can't therefore do anything. [02:58] alankila: I thought they just use isos now. I haven't seen the .img files anymore [02:58] Yeee Haaaw! after putting off a kernel upgrade until now, my drive choked and couldn't read or write and after a hard shutdown and booting into the old kernel the boot screen threw me into a rescue prompt and instructed me to run fsck manually, it fixed a few inodes [02:58] well, it actually says "No such file or directory" as the error, but no clue which file it tried to ope [02:58] I'm sort of *guessing* it means "the image file to write", which is actually an .iso [02:59] unforgivable given that this is python, it would be easy to dump the actual file name it wanted to write. Not like C where writing error handling code that does anything that spit out "ERROR" makes blood come out of your ears. [03:00] alankila, alankila did you try apt-cache show unetbootin and checkout http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [03:00] it's pretty cool [03:00] well, let's give this one a spin. [03:02] huh, it at least does something. What is this made with, it looks super odd... Qt? [03:03] well, that was painless. :) [03:08] I'm especially impressed by the fact that this worked despite I don't have qt libs and my system is 64-bit too. Has someone solved the problem of linux software distribution? What did it do, dump out a minimal environment under /tmp where it could run? [03:09] Anyone here using karmic on a netbook as well? [03:10] for those who are, is it me, or the last few updates (bout 5 days or so) have made the system much slower? specially switching apps, even when top shows none is taking much cpu or ram [03:10] maybe a kernel change? [03:24] hello karmic friends [03:25] is there a wiki for upgrading jaunty to karmic? [03:25] you probably wanna do a clean install [03:25] oh yeah? [03:25] k [03:25] karmic is only in alpha, i doubt there's a nice procedure [03:25] k [03:25] have you been playing with it? [03:26] not at all... though i played with both gutsy and intrepid before they came out and i've always had to do a clean install... [03:26] if you keep a separate home partition, then it will be easy [03:26] yea i did the upgrade to jaunty alpha and it f'd up my comp so i think your advice is sound [03:26] Well on my netbook I updated from Jaunty [03:27] oh yes? [03:27] nb remix? [03:27] in the netbook build? [03:27] aye nb remix [03:27] how is that btw? :) i've conisdered giving it to my friend [03:27] very good, it's just ubuntu with 4 great apps added in [03:27] ah. nice. well, we run the risk of being off topic. let's get back to the karmic upgrade [03:28] theyre watching [03:28] lols [03:29] !ot | grodius [03:29] grodius: #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. [03:29] bwhahahaha [03:29] ok so yeah [03:29] tell me how your install process goes :) i don't have a spare machine to try it on ;) [03:30] !upgrade [03:30] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading === Lars_G is now known as Lars_G_zombie [03:30] those are instructions for upgrading to jaunty... [03:37] GE All [03:38] Good Morning to you, young man [03:39] lol...wish I was young :) [03:40] i forgot that we are on the internet. everyone is a 40-50 year old white dude [03:40] I wonder if I can still shout at people to get off of my lawn [03:40] my lp profile tells all... [03:40] Should installing the 'kubuntu-netbook' metapackage on a UNR install make all the necessary changes to switch...and has anyone tried it? [03:41] err [03:41] what you will end up with [03:41] will be both [03:41] KDE and Gnome, and all their applications installed [03:42] true, but the UNR items won't be running or will I need to manually back those specific items out [03:42] levarnu, I think it will load the gtk libraries and whatnot when you start the netbook. hold on one second [03:42] I've got the space for both [03:43] http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde will remove all gnome stuff from your normal ubuntu 9.04 install [03:43] i dunno about the netbook remix [03:44] If you have space, that's great. it still might make your computer slower though by loading unneeded libraries [03:45] Yea, that's what I was wondering is if it'd still be loading unassociated items. [03:45] levarnu, it will i think [03:45] I might as well save the partitions and do another install to be clean...just hadn't heard about the activity with KNE until a couple hours ago [03:46] thought it might be interesting to see the kde approach to netbooks [03:46] careful with the psychocats on unr, as the command install kubuntu-desktop [03:47] ah, good point. althought, given the changes between 9.10 and 9.04 I'm pretty hesitant on those instructions. It's bookmarked though...looks thorough [04:12] grr, stupid Deluge..... the 'move storage' thingy doesn't work. [04:34] Awesome quakelive finally for linux [04:35] awsome [04:38] I'm posting to the forums about it now. I've been away from gaming for a while [04:38] Now I have a reason to be up all night [04:41] All we need now is the impact vest from tngames.com working with quakelive [04:48] whoops imenat to be in offtopic [05:07] Hi - any good sources for dual-boot installation problems K.Koala and win7? [05:08] I also wish quakelive had a no-account-required spectator mode, so I could see how it performs. [05:10] frybye, the forums are the best to trouble shoot issues [05:10] frybye, probably should install windows first, then install linux. that should probably eliminate dual-boot issues [05:11] bjs... I had win7 up and running real nice - tried an automated dual-boot install with 9.10 alpha5 and spent sunday re-installing win7 after it was not accessable and I dont know enough linux/grub stuff to repair... [05:12] bjsnider, there are alot of factors with that tho...how many hdd, etc etc [05:12] I will probably just have to wait till kk is final and hope it works right then... [05:12] frybye, remember that yes karmic isnt yet fully stable... [05:13] stlsaint: yeah of course.. that is why I was not really annoyed at what happened... I took a risk and it pooped - my fault... [05:14] but yea make sure to have windows installed first than add ubuntu so to prevent you from having to write grub to mbr [05:14] on the other hand I think if ubuntu is to have a chance to gain a foothold - or a better one with the mass of consumers - a smooth automated dual boot install is very important... [05:15] stlsaint: yep i am aware that that way round it is generally much simpler - but this time it still fried up... [05:15] frybye, yes ubuntu is VERY smooth to dual install...matter-a-fact you can import your windows profile into ubuntu so you can have all your music,pics, docu, etc etc [05:16] hmmm... nice to hear it - here it just left me a system where I could no longer boot to win7 at all... [05:16] how is your rig setup? [05:16] how many hdd i mean? [05:16] one sata 250GB... [05:17] are you knowledgeable on partitions? [05:17] it has a ntfs part with the win7 on it - and apparently some legacy bits when I run gparted from the live disk... [05:18] no not really - that is my problem... not enough background knowledge to do a manual install on my own... [05:19] so.. quick question... Palimpsest is warning me that my HD is failing. How valid/reliable are those warnings? If true, that might explain some problems I'm having with my system. [05:19] but on the other hand I have 2 pc's here able to access the net... if/when I find a knowledgable person who has time interest to walk me thru the install step by step - then I can run irc on the other pc to do that... [05:19] Autumn, what kind of issues you having? [05:20] frybye, there is documentation for dual booting...wait one please [05:20] Video buffering issues, slowness, programs hanging in both win7 and ubuntu 9.04 (9.10 is on my flash drive right now) [05:21] win7 did eat itself and complained it couldn't find a vital system file, but that could just be windows SOP [05:22] frybye, here is a good place to start... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot [05:22] has anyone been able to use yahoo web chat with empathy? [05:22] stlsaint: cool - thanx I will have a look... [05:22] if consisten testing shows a bad hdd than you may want to consider a backup of your system [05:23] frybye, no prob..and im sure there are many ppl willing to help with dual installs...i my self have done them many many atimes and its quite easy once you go thru it once [05:23] hmm... looks like I might need a new drive then. Thanks for confirming the warnings are valid [05:25] stlsaint: the dumb thing is - I have done it a number of times myself.. incl manual install with assistance - but have a damaged (war disab-) memory and cant remember the prev. details.. will study the stuff you refered too first.. brb [05:25] k [05:26] Autumn, no prob [05:26] mac_v, not a empathy user myself...have you considered pidgin [05:28] stlsaint: oh... didnt try , does it work in pidgin for you? [05:29] you mean use yahoo instant messenger? if so than yes it does..there are some changes you may need to make if your willing! [05:30] bye for now - thanks for tips... [05:32] frybye later [05:35] mac_v, i guess yahoo had some server issues with using pidgin but it can be fixed and i use yahoo with pidgin now all the time...its my main client [05:36] stlsaint: oh...good to know... thanks [05:36] * mac_v downloading [05:37] where are you downloading from? hopefully synap [05:37] anyone with grub2 experiance [05:37] stlsaint: yup good ol' synaptic :) [05:37] Spider21, have you seen the grub2 manual? [05:38] !grub2 > Spider21 [05:38] Spider21, please see my private message [05:38] /msg ubottu grub2 [05:38] hehe ;) [05:38] heh - oops, I like to know what ubottu would have said if I come across a new one ;) [05:38] lol [05:40] *new to the linux world* and trying to run before i walk lol [05:40] Spider21: BTW , what is the problem ?/ [05:40] mac_v, you may have to re-install at some point [05:40] stlsaint: huh? reinstall pidgin? [05:41] ok... hopefully i communicate this right [05:41] yes i dont think the one from synap is fully working with yahoo yet [05:41] may want to hold off on that as you will go thru a differnt way with me [05:41] brb [05:41] stlsaint: hmm... [05:43] ok right now i have cd.1 for running ubuntu live i can also install from it clearly cd2 is kubuntu cuz im not sure what one i like better lol, i also use either of them for fixing windows boxes, cd3 is a copy of windows xp for when i reformat someones pc cd4. is vista it would be awesome if i could take all these isos that i used to burn all these cds and boot to a usb key and have them all listed on there USING GRUB2 i know its poss [05:43] other programs [05:43] but im a knuckle head and want to use grub2 :D plus i want to learn something in the process [05:47] Spider21: you want to install the 4 iso's to a usb stick? [05:47] no [05:48] just have them sitting there to boot [05:48] read only [05:50] Spider21: that i'm not sure is possible ;) , but maybe there is a way to hack it [05:50] whats not possible the windows isos or the linux style iso's [05:51] Spider21: interesting question. you might read http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2009/05/25/boot-an-iso-via-grub2/ to get started. probably #grub is the right channel if you have questions though [05:52] well well wouldnt that make sence lol [05:52] sorry for such noob questions [05:53] oh and already read that one lol i have been resarching this for a few days now my poor heads getting a sore spot on it from all the banging onto the desk lol [05:53] www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-524 is SORTA what i want to do [05:54] if i knew ANYTHING about linux this might work for me www.panticz.de/multibootusb [05:54] im having trouble just installing grub2 to my usb [05:56] Spider21: see mpontillo's link , thats the kind of hack i was thinking about , it should work [05:56] Spider21, heres a manual on Grub2...maybe it can give a few pointers... http://grub.enbug.org/Manual [06:04] If I'm reading the comments right on that post correctly, what Spider21 is asking for is probably not possible - because the chained bootloader (loopback .iso image) would not have the logic to continue booting (reading its image data from the looped back iso image it's on) [06:15] what post mpontillo [06:16] Spider21: the first one I linked. I was watching the video from hak5 that you linked. 7:00 in it starts getting iteresting, but they are using Windows tools (pe2usb so far) to start off with... not sure what the Linux equivalents are [06:20] i have all sorts of tabs open in chrome all with similar things to what i wish to accomplish but all the *tutorials* seem to assume u have more than the basics of linux knowledge and im not sure i even have the basics so i may be trying to run before i can crawl lol [06:22] the guy is using Windows to install grub - oh the horrors ;) I'm trying to see if I can follow how he makes this work... [06:23] i know thats why i want to use linux and install grub2 from ubuntu but im to retarted after u watch the video look at second link [06:24] http://www.panticz.de/multibootusb [06:25] Spider21: why not try it the way a legacy-grub tutorial tells you how to do it, then try to move it to grub2 when you're done? [06:27] u mean upgrade it from legacy? i attempted to do that today.... successfully updated my ubuntu install to grub 2 lol thats about all the progress i made [06:29] I mean for your USB project - so it's not so daunting to learn all at once. 13:30 in - sounds like the way he gets around the "loopback boot loader" problem is to extract the contents of the .iso (maybe on-the-fly) [06:30] yeah but in grub .95 i belive it was they added iso9660 support and all i have read about grub2 says this is possible [06:32] http://diliman-networks.com/?page_id=21 makes it seem SOOOOO easy..... damn windoze for infecting my brain at such an early age [06:33] its like learning another language === Ben is now known as Guest60161 [07:00] Spider21, the video leads me to believe that it may not be possible to add your Windows image to the "multi USB stick". but that's okay, this is #ubuntu+1; I wouldn't recommend you do that anyway ;) [07:02] he uses a Windows version of a tool from this Linux distro http://www.slitaz.org/en/get/ (TazUSB) to create bootable images of Linux distros that get extracted on the fly. === ripps_ is now known as ripps [07:18] hummm ok thanks for your input mpontillo [07:19] goodnight all [07:57] what is this: WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package. [07:58] Fairly benign, a misfeature of python-support [08:11] What is startup-manager and is it recommended to keep on the system? === TheImp is now known as TheInfinity [08:36] Anyone know? [08:38] mindvirus: it's just a gui to /etc/default/grub [08:38] virtuald: Ahh, OK. I don't want to have the grub package installed on my computer and startupmanager pulls it in as a dependency so I figured I'd remove both. [08:40] if you have upgraded to grub 2 you can probably do that safely [08:46] virtuald: I did. [08:46] virtuald: does startup-manager function with grub2? [08:48] yes [08:48] virtuald: do you know then why does startup-manager have grub as a dep? [08:49] no i don't know that :) [08:49] :) [08:49] maybe it works with both [08:49] Perhaps but the problem isn't its functionality. [08:49] but should be grub || grub-pc or something then [08:50] grub-pc is grub2 AFAIK. [08:50] yeah [08:50]