| min | Hi, I wanted to look into a possible ALSA regression in Karmic. It's Intel HD Audio "00:14.4 PCI bridge [0604]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge [1002:4384]" no longer has ALSA controls for Analog Loopback. I did not find a bug in launchpad for this. | 01:37 |
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| * crimsun nods | 01:38 | |
| crimsun | please just use "ubuntu-bugs" | 01:39 |
| crimsun | there's no need to re-announce, since i'm present. | 01:39 |
| crimsun | ubuntu-bug* | 01:39 |
| min | @crimson So do you want me to file a launchpad bug report, or just discuss it here? | 01:41 |
| jjardon | hello, could someone confirm this bug? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epiphany-browser/+bug/414748 | 01:41 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 414748 in epiphany-browser "should depend on epiphany-webkit first" [Wishlist,New] | 01:41 |
| crimsun | min: please file a bug using "ubuntu-bug alsa-base" | 01:43 |
| * micahg is looking jjardon | 01:43 | |
| micahg | jjardon: do you have a link showing upstream making that move? | 01:46 |
| jjardon | micahg, mmm, wait a moment please | 01:47 |
| jjardon | micahg, http://blogs.gnome.org/epiphany/2009/07/01/gecko-end-of-life/ | 01:50 |
| jjardon | (micahg, I've updated the bug report with the link) | 01:50 |
| min | @crimsun Bug #426023 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/426023 | 01:51 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 426023 in alsa-driver "ubuntu-bug alsa-base No analog loopback on HD Audio in Karmic 2.6.31-rc8" [Undecided,New] | 01:51 |
| hggdh_ | good catch, jjardon | 01:52 |
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| jjardon | hggdh, :) | 01:53 |
| micahg | I don't know about that bug | 01:53 |
| crimsun | min: that's not a bug | 01:53 |
| crimsun | min: that change is intentional, and it landed in changeset d78d7a90adf793943cc29a414b6f4364a700aad5 (sound-2.6.git) | 01:53 |
| micahg | for karmic it shouldn't matter jjardon and for karmic + 1, my guess is it will be dropped | 01:54 |
| crimsun | min: to quote the change: | 01:54 |
| crimsun | Don't create "Analog Loopback" controls as default since these controls | 01:54 |
| crimsun | are usually more harmful than useful for normal users. | 01:54 |
| crimsun | Only created when "loopback = yes" hint is given. | 01:54 |
| hggdh | micahg: you mean epiphany will be dropped? | 01:54 |
| micahg | epiphany-gecko | 01:54 |
| hggdh | oh, OK | 01:54 |
| micahg | if it's not supported upstream | 01:54 |
| jjardon | the problem is that people that installing epiphany-browser will fille bug against an unsoported version (gecko) | 01:55 |
| hggdh | indeed. I guess this will be one of these bugs that will bites us back ;-) | 01:56 |
| jjardon | so will be rejected upstream :/ | 01:56 |
| hggdh | well, the triager working on them will have to be careful. meanwhile, we keep trodding on | 01:57 |
| micahg | well, right now epiphany browser is gnome, epiphany-browser will probably become webit | 01:58 |
| micahg | *should | 01:58 |
| micahg | or maybe -webkit will provide the epiphany-browser dummy package | 01:58 |
| micahg | in any case, it'll be supported in Ubuntu until it's EOL for SRUs | 01:59 |
| jjardon | for Gnome 2.28, only webkit backend is supported (all gnome apps are switching to webkit) | 02:00 |
| micahg | hmm | 02:01 |
| jjardon | as webkitgtk+ was accepted as external dependency | 02:01 |
| micahg | maybe epiphany-browser should be removed for karmic? | 02:01 |
| jjardon | I think is better make depend epiphany-browser on epiphany-webkit | 02:02 |
| micahg | you can't do that | 02:03 |
| * micahg is wondering why it was broken out... | 02:03 | |
| jjardon | micahg, why not? (only curious) | 02:04 |
| * micahg is referring to the source pacakge | 02:04 | |
| micahg | like in intrepid | 02:04 |
| jjardon | I vote for remove epiphany-browser then | 02:08 |
| micahg | ok, I changed the bug to EOL of epiphany-gecko | 02:09 |
| * micahg just had a discussion with asac earlier about but titles having symptoms and not solutions | 02:10 | |
| micahg | *bug titles | 02:12 |
| jjardon | micahg, ok, thank you | 02:12 |
| micahg | thank you for finding this | 02:13 |
| micahg | does apport add need-duplicate-ckeck? | 02:31 |
| micahg | *-check | 02:31 |
| * micahg had apport answer me :) | 02:33 | |
| micahg | hi | 03:05 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, hey | 03:05 |
| micahg | so I think we discussed something about old packages and redirecting at some point | 03:05 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, right. I guess some of these problems will go away once LP stops allowing users to directly report bugs | 03:06 |
| micahg | why owuld they do that? | 03:06 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, in that users will report from the application and that will correctly pick the LP project to file against. The problem is glchess has a problem, they go to launchpad and search for glchess, then report against the obsolete project | 03:08 |
| micahg | well, I don't think that's a good diea | 03:08 |
| micahg | *idea | 03:08 |
| micahg | I'd rather have glchess redirect to gnome-games | 03:08 |
| micahg | I don't think everyone should have to be in the app to open the bug | 03:09 |
| robert_ancell | I think that is the direction bug reporting is moving, i.e. using apport to report bugs (so that the bug quality is high) | 03:09 |
| micahg | yes idneed | 03:09 |
| micahg | indeed, but I don't think the other functionality shoudl be closed out | 03:09 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, I think the plan is to hide it | 03:10 |
| * micahg will add it to agenda for hte next meeting (tomorrow) :) | 03:10 | |
| robert_ancell | i.e. no "report bug" link, or that link will say "run apport pkg-name or go to help->report a problem" | 03:10 |
| * micahg doesn't like that | 03:11 | |
| micahg | bugs right now aren't just bugs but wishlist requests as well | 03:14 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, yes but it's still important to know what version they are requesting against (which is often ommitted) | 03:17 |
| micahg | not necesarily if it's an open ended feature request | 03:17 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: meeting at 16:00 UTC tomorrow | 03:22 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, thanks | 03:22 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, oh I am away tomorrow but will read minutes | 03:23 |
| micahg | ok | 03:23 |
| micahg | I added this to the agenda and there don't seem to be many other items | 03:23 |
| micahg | so it will probably be discussed | 03:23 |
| * micahg hopes he can make the meeting :) | 03:23 | |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:03 |
| thekorn | good morning dholbach | 06:13 |
| dholbach | hola thekorn! | 06:13 |
| thekorn | oha, dholbach is in spanish mode today ;) | 06:14 |
| dholbach | not too much :) | 06:14 |
| matti | ;] | 08:13 |
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| james_w | hola | 12:46 |
| james_w | are the logs Spanish in bug 426083? | 12:46 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 426083 in kerneloops "package kerneloops-daemon 0.12+git20090217-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso script post-installation instalado devolvió el código de salida de error 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426083 | 12:46 |
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| mac_v | pedro_: hi... how do i run valgrind for this> Bug #423394 it occurs immediately after login and is not consistently reproducible | 14:35 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 423394 in gnome-utils "gnome-screenshot assert failure: gnome-screenshot: ../../src/xcb_io.c:378: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423394 | 14:35 |
| pedro_ | mac_v, gnome-screenshot starts on login for you? | 14:36 |
| pedro_ | that's weird | 14:36 |
| mac_v | that crash has occurred at login only , not any time else | 14:36 |
| bddebian | Boo | 14:46 |
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| micahg | are we having a meeting? | 16:41 |
| bdmurray | micahg: we could however, the attendance might be low since an announcement was not sent out | 16:43 |
| bdmurray | then again most people who show up will probably be able to make it anyway ;-) | 16:44 |
| micahg | also the agenda isn't that large | 16:46 |
| bdmurray | so lets see how many attendees we have and adjust to later if necessary | 16:47 |
| bdmurray | Hi, we usually have a bug squad meeting on the 2nd Tuesday of the month. This is today but no announcement was sent out. Is anybody here for the meeting today? | 17:05 |
| ^arky^ | o/ | 17:05 |
| * micahg but leaving shortly :( | 17:05 | |
| pedro_ | i'm here | 17:06 |
| bdmurray | hggdh: ? | 17:06 |
| bdmurray | okay, well since the people with adgenda items are here why don't we cover the first 2 items at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting and have another meeting next week if necessary too | 17:08 |
| bdmurray | micahg: go ahead | 17:08 |
| micahg | bdmurray: I can't stay too much longer | 17:08 |
| micahg | but we can start I guess | 17:09 |
| bdmurray | or we could postpone that until the 15th... | 17:09 |
| bdmurray | whatever works best for you | 17:09 |
| micahg | maybe | 17:09 |
| micahg | probably better to postpone | 17:09 |
| micahg | next week, I should be available for the whole meeting | 17:10 |
| bdmurray | micahg: okay, great. pedro_ then? | 17:11 |
| pedro_ | yup so i won't be around next couple of weeks since i'm taking holidays | 17:11 |
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| pedro_ | so i'm looking for someone who can take care of the hug days on those weeks | 17:11 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: which specific days? | 17:12 |
| micahg | also any idea which packages? | 17:12 |
| pedro_ | there's one for pulseaudio (no date yet though) and we need to look for an extra target | 17:12 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning | 17:13 |
| bdmurray | maybe not a package but the no package bugs or bugs with patches? | 17:13 |
| pedro_ | sure, the last ones we ran about that were in April and May so yeah why not | 17:14 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: do you think one of those targets was more successful than another? | 17:15 |
| pedro_ | the bugs without a package is always gets more attention | 17:16 |
| bdmurray | okay, it could use it more too | 17:16 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: and which thursdays are you gone? | 17:18 |
| pedro_ | 17 and 24 Sept | 17:19 |
| bdmurray | I could set the one on the 17th and would prefer it be the no package one | 17:20 |
| * micahg has to run...see you next week | 17:23 | |
| bdmurray | pedro_: does that seem alright? | 17:26 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray, yeap sounds good to me | 17:27 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: and maybe sending an e-mail to the list to find someone for the 24th would be best? | 17:29 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray, sure I'll do that | 17:29 |
| bdmurray | and I'll setup another meeting for next week then | 17:30 |
| * ^arky^ is waiting for his ubuntu-bugcontrol application review | 17:39 | |
| thekorn | bdmurray, pedro_ I can do the announcement for the 24th | 18:42 |
| bdmurray | thekorn: and set it up? | 18:42 |
| thekorn | bdmurray, yes, sure, why not. did you agree on a target? | 18:43 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: pulseaudio correct? | 18:43 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray, thekorn yeah pulseaudio | 19:13 |
| pedro_ | thekorn, thanks! | 19:13 |
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| BUGabundo | hey | 21:20 |
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| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: btw, how can I debug gnome-power-manager/gnome-session/devkit-something crash? All I get right now is this tail of .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/d41a0ecf8 | 21:56 |
| kklimonda | and a crash log which is a duplicate of.. /me searching for a bug | 21:57 |
| kklimonda | oh, there is a pending gnome-power-manager update, I'll see if I can still recreate it | 21:57 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: looks like it's a gnome-session crashing but I can't get a good stacktrace :/ | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda - that looks more like Xorg crashing | 22:12 |
| kklimonda | now I have two crashes.. | 22:12 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: but I get no .crash file for X | 22:12 |
| kklimonda | only for gnome-session and gnome-power-manager | 22:12 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: how can I pinpoint it? | 22:13 |
| chrisccoulson | i've seen someone else say they see a simultaneous crash in gnome-session, g-p-m and dk-power already, but they didn't get a backtrace | 22:14 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: here is a report for gnome-session: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/426501 | 22:14 |
| ubot4 | kklimonda: Error: This bug is private | 22:14 |
| kklimonda | ech | 22:14 |
| kklimonda | made it public | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | will have to wait and see what the retracer makes of it | 22:15 |
| kklimonda | and here is one for g-p-m: bug 426503 | 22:15 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 426503 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426503 | 22:16 |
| kklimonda | sure, I can reproduce it really easily so if you have any questions just ask | 22:16 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, thats wierd. those are both SIGSEGV but your xsession-errors show an assertion, which is what I've seen someone report already | 22:16 |
| chrisccoulson | actually | 22:17 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think there is an assertion there | 22:17 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: this pastebin is from crash after update: http://pastebin.com/d7df174ac | 22:18 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda - i'm going to have some dinner now. i will have a look at your bugs when the retracer has dealt with them | 22:26 |
| kklimonda | sure, thanks | 22:26 |
| chrisccoulson | it would be useful though to see where those critical messages come from | 22:26 |
| chrisccoulson | are you familiar with debugging them? | 22:26 |
| chrisccoulson | those messages are likely a precursor to the crash | 22:27 |
| kklimonda | no, but I'm a fast learner :) | 22:27 |
| chrisccoulson | to debug them, you can run apps with "G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals" in the environment. this will make them abort when the message is triggered, leaving a core dump (or a backtrace if you're running in GDB). This can show what led to the message | 22:28 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: set a breakpoint for a g_log() and reproduce crash? | 22:28 |
| chrisccoulson | but for gnome-session, it's a little trickier | 22:28 |
| chrisccoulson | to debug gnome-session, you can log in to a failsafe xterm from GDM, then fire up GDB in your xterm like: "G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals gdb" | 22:29 |
| chrisccoulson | then you can run gnome-session from GDB - it should start your session as normal, then crash, and you should be able to get a backtrace showing where the message happened | 22:29 |
| chrisccoulson | it would be useful if you could try that - but gnome-session issues on startup can be tricky to debug | 22:30 |
| kklimonda | it's not on startup but after I unplug my usb mouse | 22:30 |
| chrisccoulson | that would be easier to debug then | 22:31 |
| chrisccoulson | you can attach GDB to the already running gnome-session | 22:32 |
| chrisccoulson | but you will still need to start your session from the failsafe xterm with "G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals gnome-session" | 22:32 |
| kklimonda | ok, I'll see what I can do. | 22:32 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 22:33 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: I got some gdb logs but not full | 23:02 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31510719/gnome-session.gdb.log and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31511412/gnome-power-manager.gdb.log | 23:04 |
| kklimonda | for some reason I have no symbols for dkp_device_get_object_path () and dkp_device_removed_cb () though.. | 23:05 |
| kklimonda | and as they are probably most important I'll have to try to dig some more.. | 23:09 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson: any luck? I'm going to sleep soon and I've wondered if you need something more | 23:58 |
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