[00:48] asac - i vaguely remember someone doing some work on libnotify a while back to make it cache server capabilities, and i was thinking it was you who was working on it (or perhaps i just dreamt that?) [00:48] was it you who was working on that? [00:48] chrisccoulson: i wanted to work on that at somepoint ... yes. [00:48] or at least get it done somewhat [00:48] did anything ever happen with it? [00:49] the only reason i ask is because our gnome-settings-daemon patch queries the capabilities every time you press the volume key [00:49] and i'm thinking that should be cached really ;) [00:51] you can blindly cache it ... but it needs to be reupdated if NameOwnerChanged ... and no. afaik nothing happened yet [00:51] asac - thanks. yeah, i was thinking about caching it in g-s-d and listening for NameOwnerChanged [00:52] it would be nicer in libnotify though:) [00:52] chrisccoulson: well. if you do it, just do it in libnotify ;) [00:52] feels like code should be similar [00:53] asac - i could do. isn't it too late to be adding to the API of common libraries now though? [00:53] chrisccoulson: it wont change any api [00:53] just the implementation would be smarter [00:53] at lesat thats my idea [00:53] yeah, that's true actually [00:53] i might take a look at that then [00:54] i think its ok if the code is robust [00:54] which when done properly should be the case [00:54] chrisccoulson, libnotify over at github already has that code in place [00:54] just haven't released it yet [00:54] awalton - thanks. any idea of when it will be released? [00:55] chrisccoulson, I could do it tomorrow if I could get the fd.o admins to play ball [00:55] hehe [00:55] awalton - thanks, that would rock:) [00:55] there are some last minute things that me and agateau(sp?) have to work out, but otherwise it's pretty solid [01:37] TheMuso, are you aware of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521276, which also affects current Karmic ? [01:37] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 521276 in gstreamer-plugins-good "Something about jitter buffer makes VoIP over GStreamer useless (delay around 15 sec)" [High,New] [01:37] (well, i'm aware of that one. dunno if luke is.) [01:37] alright :) [01:38] the telepathy guys thought the problem was in the gstreamer pulse element [01:39] No, I am not aware of that, and I don't really track gstreamer bugs. I do stuff further down the stack. [01:39] alright [01:40] Karmic's alsa-utils is about to get a major init overhaul [01:41] i.e., the initscript's calling start() will use `alsactl init' instead of carrying all those crazy bits [01:42] to accomplish that, we'll have an RFC where the responders should include `lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]' output and their preferred init levels [01:42] i'm still evaluating how to handle the really obnoxious codecs (i'm looking at you, sigmatel) on the Creative families that have opposing init values [01:43] anyway, I'm glad to see the bug is on your radar... was just concerned it might've slipped through the cracks [01:44] johanbr: it's really toward the outer circumference of my radar, so if you feel like taking it on, please feel free [01:45] unfortunately I don't think I have the gstreamer expertise needed for that === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [01:54] crimsun: Um, wouldn't that need an FFE? [01:56] TheMuso: no, we already have the `alsactl init' infrastructure [01:56] TheMuso: it's just very poorly populated [01:57] TheMuso: and considering Debian & Ubuntu have been carrying just about all the mixer element tweaks in alsa-utils:debian/init for as long as i remember... [01:58] TheMuso: i don't expect to finish it in time for Karmic; it's a matter of migrating all the cruft from muting/unmuting/sanitizing in the initscript over to alsactl [02:00] crimsun: Right. [03:52] pitti, ping. about this stuff with no way to choose the login session for gdm, could we discuss some ideas? the current (hacky) things that are being done for mythbuntu and xubuntu don't work too well because they cause you to not be able to login to gnome anymore. could we maybe get an /etc/alternatives for the default login session, or perhaps a gconf key to set it? [07:31] Good morning [07:32] robert_ancell: ah, seems you beat me to updating g-p-m, I just wanted to do it :) [07:32] will sponsor [07:33] superm1: would it work if we make gdm always prefer the "default.desktop" session if it exists? [07:33] pitti, :) I was going to ask you about that too, it now has an option to build without hal, should we be using that? [07:34] robert_ancell: X.org still needs it, so it won't make hal go away in karmic [07:34] robert_ancell: and it helps to not break brightness changing on many hardware platforms, so let's keep it for now [07:36] hah, and dholbach already sponsored it [08:12] hey pitti, hi robert_ancell [08:12] hey didrocks [08:19] hey didrocks, bonjour [08:25] good morning there [08:26] hey seb128 :) [08:26] hello didrocks [08:27] seb128: as you probably saw, I updated mutter this week-end and put some work on clutter, but a dependency is still not built (all is explained in bug #425339) [08:27] Launchpad bug 425339 in clutter-1.0 "Please, update to 1.0.4" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425339 [08:28] didrocks, I noticed thanks [08:28] seb128: what is really strange is that I've been able to send gir-repository to soyuz and it has then been propagated to main in the meanwhile [08:29] weird also that all previous rdepends on clutter package wasn't put in main during the move. Do we have to write some MIR? [08:30] re [08:31] didrocks, you can try to ping StevenK about this one [08:31] didrocks, or otherwise write the mir if there is not one yet [08:31] seb128: ok, I'll do it. Do you need other deps for new gnome-shell? [08:32] didrocks, no, it has been uploaded yesterday night [08:32] (and you see, it was good to wait as the last version was issued on Friday ;)) [08:33] hehe [08:33] you can wait for ever using this logic [08:34] of course, just for joking ^^ [08:36] ;-) [08:36] let's get some coffee, be back in a bit [08:37] hey seb128 [08:38] seb128: FYI, theh current "412 expectation failed" retracer failure was because it tried to dupe a bug which already had a duplicate [08:44] pitti: seb128 is so quick at being disconnected :) [08:45] re [08:45] sorry got some internet issues this morning, seems to be back now [08:45] hey pitti [08:46] seb128: well, you say that, but we all know that's due by too much coffee in your keyboard ;) [08:49] seb128: FYI, the current "412 expectation failed" retracer failure was because it tried to dupe a bug which already had a duplicate [08:49] seb128: I re-dup'ed the bug manually now and restarted them [08:50] seb128: if you encounter such a failure again, please check the bug; I think this exception is not just random [08:50] * pitti -> breakfast [08:52] pitti, I though you already fixed the duplicate from duplicate issue to follow to the next bug? [08:52] pitti, enjoy! [08:52] * seb128 just back from breakfast with coffee [08:53] didrocks, the keyboard works late it can also get some coffee! [08:53] hey chrisccoulson [08:53] good morning seb128! [08:55] seb128: hehe [08:55] hey chrisccoulson === pochu_ is now known as pochu [08:57] hey didrocks [09:14] is huats hidding? ;-) [09:20] seb128: right, but just into the other direction [09:20] seb128: if you try to mark bug a as dupe of bug b, but bug b is a duplicate of c [09:20] then a gets marked as dupe of c [09:20] but here, but a is already a duplicate of bug d [09:21] ah ok [09:21] gotcha [09:21] somebody did that manually I guess [09:21] yes, I suppose [09:22] pitti, btw do you think you will have time today to look at the gnome-games sponsoring request? you commented on it a week ago so I let it to you but I can add it to my list if you want [09:23] pitti, btw robert_ancell did the gpm update so you can drop that from your todolist [09:24] seb128: already saw this morning [09:24] seb128: ah, will do that [09:24] thanks [09:24] seb128: robert_ancell and I talked about the package renaming yesterday, I think it should be done now [09:25] seb128, pitti, I'm having trouble with dh_installma on gnome-games [09:25] pitti, he added a question for you in the bug [09:25] robert_ancell, what sort of trouble? [09:26] seb128, it doesn't want to automatically install the debian/game.6 page for the 'game' package [09:26] i.e. I build and the man pages are not present in the .debs [09:27] robert_ancell: in a built tree, run "DH_VERBOSE=1 dh_installman -a" and see what it does? === Ng_ is now known as Ng [09:28] I'm not sure if it's supposed to do that automatically [09:28] robert_ancell: id dyou add debian/game.6 to debian/gamepkg.manpages ? [09:28] you need .manpages usually [09:28] s/id dyou/did you/, d'oh [09:28] seb128: it doesn't [09:28] ah ok [09:29] are you going to rename the games? [09:30] seb128, yup, done that [09:30] why? I'm just curious [09:30] I read the discussion in the bug and I've no strong opinion either way but that seems extra divergence for not strong reason [09:33] seb128, oh do you mean in ubuntu or debian? [09:33] s/debian/gnome [09:33] ubuntu [09:34] ask pitti :) [09:34] "To avoid name space cluttering and confusion, would you mind to rename aisleriot, blackjack, freecell, and mahjong to gnome-games-*, or g*, or gnome-*?" [09:34] I'm not sure that makes sense [09:34] seb128: it's divergence either way [09:34] seb128: the split isn't in debian [09:34] do you speak about binaries packages or binaries on disk? [09:34] and Debian has challenged such generic package names in the past as well [09:34] seb128: just the package names, not the executables [09:35] ok, that makes sense [09:35] seb128, i've fixed the manpages and pushed but not recompiled. Feel free to release if it looks good [09:36] gtg, see you guys tomorrow [09:36] pitti, ^ [09:36] robert_ancell: sleep well [09:36] robert_ancell, have fun, see you [09:37] seb128: bug 425185, wasn't that already uploaded? [09:37] Launchpad bug 425185 in pidgin "Pidgin must use gnome-network-properties" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425185 [09:37] ah, it didn't close the bug [09:37] yes, I didn't check that the bug was changelog closed [09:37] * pitti closes [09:37] it didn't apparently [09:37] sorry about that [09:41] * pitti looks for the gnome-games sponsoring bug, it's not on the list [09:42] pitti, bug #417900 [09:42] Launchpad bug 417900 in gnome-games "Update to 2.27.90" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417900 [09:42] ah, thanks [09:42] pitti, that's because robert_ancell didn't reopen it after your question [09:42] ups [09:43] thanks [09:43] bzr looks good, I'll test-build [10:14] is anyone else seeing that the upper gnome-panel isnt loading fully on startup? it wont load time/date sound n-m and indicator applet and weather applets everything in upper right. [10:14] mvo, hi, how's the Store [10:14] ? [10:15] gnomefreak - is there anything in ~/.xession-errors? [10:15] mpt: not much this morning, I got dragged into a zlib header problem that causes other stuff to break [10:15] fun [10:15] mpt: how is the new version (the one I uploaded yesterday)? [10:15] mvo, I see rugby471 managed to fix a few more bugs :-) [10:15] mpt: weh, execlent [10:15] time to merge :) [10:16] mvo, I haven't tried the new package, I was just reporting bugs on trunk yesterday afternoon, and I don't have Internet at home a.t.m. [10:16] mpt: ok [10:16] chrisccoulson: only output is in .xsession-errors.old [10:17] mvo, I'll report more bugs this morning, then work on the help + CSS this afternoon. [10:17] mvo, oh, what does the zlib thing is breaking? [10:17] chrisccoulson: for .xsession-errors i get cat: /home/gnomefreak/.xession-errors: No such file or directory [10:18] gnomefreak - hmmm, that's wierd. could you open a failsafe xterm from GDM and start gnome-session manually? anything which would normally go to xsession-errors will end up in your xterm then [10:18] seb128: sorry, can't upload gnome-games, it's way too broken; but I'll let Robert fix it for the sake of learning pacakging [10:18] mpt: cool [10:19] gnomefreak, typo in the name [10:19] chrisccoulson: killall gnome-panel will load everything except the weather applets but lets see if starting it will help [10:19] mpt: my goal for today is to get the proper sepeartion for available/installed done [10:19] pitti, what is broken? upstream or packaging? [10:19] seb128: sometime off64_t is not defined and that causes ftbfs (due to a change I introduced) [10:19] mvo, ok, that will basically fix bug 425887 [10:19] seb128: packaging; I updated the bug [10:19] seb128: thanks for the catch [10:19] Launchpad bug 425887 in software-store "View not remembered in each section" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425887 [10:19] mpt: yeah, should b [10:19] e [10:20] chrisccoulson: i have output in .xsession-errors do you want me to pastebin it? [10:20] mvo, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31408763/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.gtk%2B2.0_2.17.11-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is yours? [10:20] seb128: yes [10:21] mvo, oh ok, I should stop spending time on that then and wait for you, thanks! [10:21] seb128: uh, sorry [10:21] pitti, thanks, there is no real hurry but the sponsoring request was staled for a week at least it's moving again now [10:21] mvo, that's ok, I just didn't understand what was going on since gtk didn't really change [10:22] mvo, when you're done, be sure to check each of the three test cases in . :-) [10:23] or in , more precisely [10:24] merged [10:25] * mpt finishes triaging boogs [10:31] gnomefreak - hi, sorry, i went to get some coffee [10:31] yeah, you can pastebin it [10:32] pitti, you didn't update the bug? [10:32] seb128: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/376744/comments/7 [10:32] Ubuntu bug 376744 in gnome-games "Split gnome-games into one game per package" [Wishlist,Incomplete] [10:32] chrisccoulson: np. one sec ill have it for you [10:32] pitti, I was looking at bug #417900 [10:32] Launchpad bug 417900 in gnome-games "Update to 2.27.90" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417900 [10:32] pitti, thanks ;-) [10:32] ah [10:33] chrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267122/ [10:35] gnomefreak - that doesn't really show any errors. If you leave it long enough, do the applets finish loading eventually (after a couple of minutes or so)? I'm just wondering if something blocks on a dbus call somewhere [10:35] it's amazing the number of people running nautilus under sudo [10:35] chrisccoulson: they never load i have to drop to TTY# and killall * [10:35] seb128 - i noticed that too [10:36] chrisccoulson: i let it stand for ~5 minutes (enough for a smoke) and they never loaded [10:36] gnomefreak - and the panel appears to be frozen too? [10:37] seb128 - it seems users need a bit of educating ;) [10:37] right [10:37] chrisccoulson: yes nothing will work unless all the other stuff is loaded [10:37] with the exceptionof weather applets [10:38] gnomefreak - could you try again, but this time run "gnome-session --debug 2>&1 | tee gnome-session-debug.log", as the debug output from gnome-session may give a clue where it goes wrong [10:39] chrisccoulson: ok [10:40] chrisccoulson: i get a dialog saying Could not acquire name on session bus but i do have other output that i will post in a minute or so. [10:41] that could be due to other processes remaining from a previous failed session, which haven't exited properly [10:42] it might be best to do it from a fresh boot [10:42] chrisccoulson: i will just would like to see if this ever ends [10:44] hm it is loading trash applets and not stopping. i think i was try on fresh boot [10:53] mvo, where should I look (e.g. what should I bzr branch) if I want to add more data to the application keywords/synonyms/misspellings file? [10:56] morning everyone [10:56] lut huats [10:56] ca va ? [10:56] mpt: that is lp:%7Eubuntu-core-dev/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu/ - but its big and auto-generated [10:56] hey seb128 [10:56] mpt: so if you fix typos there, we need to forward them to the [10:56] yep I am fine [10:56] thanks ! [10:56] you ? [10:56] mpt: to the app [10:57] mvo, so when I gave you that initial sample of keywords, you added them to packages for individual applications? [10:58] mpt: there is a post-processing step for the keyword, i.e. we enrich the data with keyword, popcon data and package-name and archive-section [10:58] mpt: but there is no "fix tpyos" feature yet in that code (it could be added, but its more efficient to fix it in the app itself) [10:59] mvo, so what I meant was, where should I look if I want to add more keywords? [10:59] mpt: oh, sorry - give me a sec [11:00] mpt: its in the same branch, the file is "keywords.def" [11:01] mpt: in the toplevel dir [11:01] mpt: is contains of lines like "pidgin: pigeon;gaim;chat;windows;live;aim" [11:01] thanks mvo [11:02] np [11:02] seb128: new zlib uploaded, I will re-trigger a gtk build and if its all good ask for a mass give-back [11:04] chrisccoulson: i was unable to run gnome-session --debug 2>&1 | tee gnome-session-debug.log from tty# unless i first killall gnome-panel. im running it now and filed bug 426185 with both .xsession files attached so far [11:04] Launchpad bug 426185 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel fails to fully load" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426185 [11:04] gnomefreak - thanis [11:05] chrisccoulson: np [11:06] mvo, the issue was on a ppa there so no need to retry gtk [11:06] I will try locally [11:06] ok [11:06] thanks [11:06] let me know (after lunch :) [11:09] wow, my 3G connection is being really unreliable today! [11:37] is anybody interested by doing a libgdata mir it's required for totem youtube [11:38] seb128: didn't we already have something similar in jaunty or intrepid? [11:38] I remember a MIR about some google library === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:04] pitti, it was python-gdata [12:04] ah, and that doesn't use libgdata, but has its own implementation, apparently [12:04] do we still need python-gdata then? [12:05] no we don't [12:05] we need libgdata now [12:06] they use that isn't of the python one now [12:14] geh, software-store got a gazillion of new bugs over night [12:15] looks like mpt was busy [12:16] lol [12:36] so nobody interested to write the libgdata mir? ;-) [12:37] seb128 - i could probably do it, but i know absolutely nothing about libgdata ;) [12:38] no need to know anything, it's just paper work, ie file the template [12:38] when did apport start catching assertion messages? [12:38] i never knew it could do that! [12:38] the reason it should be in main is that totem wants it for youtube [12:38] chrisccoulson, in karmic I think [12:39] seb128 - i could probably have a look at that when i get some time, if noone else has already started to look at it [12:39] possibly after i finish work [12:39] chrisccoulson, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-karmic-apport-abort [12:39] although, a MIR might be something i could actually do at work, if i can find a quiet room where noone will notice ;) [12:40] cool! pitti rocks:) [12:44] :) [12:52] anyone know the command for only removing the execute bits for files inside a folder *and* subfolders , without removing the directory bit from the subfolders? [12:53] mac_v - you want "-X" [12:53] (capital X) [12:53] * mac_v tires === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:59] pitti - you're a member of ubuntu-release arent you? [12:59] chrisccoulson: yes [13:00] would you mind taking a look at the FFe for transmission? [13:00] (i offer bribes) ;) [13:00] chrisccoulson: can you please subscribe ubuntu-release to it? [13:00] pitti - already subscribed [13:00] ok, which bug# ? :-) [13:00] pitti - bug 418367 [13:01] Launchpad bug 418367 in transmission "[FFe] Update to 1.74 and merge with Debian" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418367 [13:09] chrisccoulson: done [13:12] pitti - thanks:) [13:57] pitti: with guest session shouldn't you be able to log straight back into the session that sporned it? ie log into tester->guest->tester. All I'm seeing in guest session is new session. [14:04] james_w: any chance we could get python-oauth in hardy-backports and jaunty-backports today? [14:04] what? [14:04] now you want to use python-oauth? [14:04] bug #397197 and bug #397431 [14:05] Launchpad bug 397197 in jaunty-backports "Please backport python-oauth 1.0~svn1053-0ubuntu1 from Karmic to Jaunty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397197 [14:05] Launchpad bug 397431 in hardy-backports "Please backport python-oauth 1.0~svn1053-0ubuntu1 from Karmic to Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397431 [14:05] no, but it's already there, and time is rather short at this point [14:06] and I'm not on the backports team so I can't help with that, sorry [14:06] oh, ok [14:07] got to run for lunch, let's talk about this when we get back [14:07] ok [14:19] hey rickspencer3 [14:19] hello rickspencer3 [14:20] hi didrocks and seb128 [14:20] I hope everyone is well [14:22] I'm fine thanks [14:22] tomboy's bzr branch doesn't contain the latest changes [14:22] submitted to karmic [14:23] rodrigo_, I've pinged ogra about that [14:23] ah ok, so should I wait to do another submission, or just go the apt-get source route? [14:23] spanking :P [14:24] rodrigo_, as you want [14:24] you could as well integrate the diff into bzr [14:24] mvo: oh, yeah, but where is it? [14:25] ogra is doing it now [14:25] ah cool, I'll wait then [14:26] shrug, he will not do it before tonight, he's in meeting [14:27] and he says he's doing it now, let's wait [14:27] ok [14:27] and for a moment I thought I forgot to push :) [14:28] my tomboy changes [14:28] mvo, be careful we know where to find you ;-) [14:28] exactly! [14:29] * mvo is always afraid of the wrath of seb128 :P [14:29] mvo, and for every screwing up you need to do a sponsoring upload [14:29] lol [14:29] rodrigo_, otherwise that is good to know, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+changelog [14:29] ohh, this is why dholbach is the sponsoring king ;) [14:29] rodrigo_, there is the diff for each upload there [14:29] mvo, ahah [14:30] seb128: page not found [14:30] rodrigo_, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+changelog [14:30] you don't use edge? [14:30] davmor2: yes, that's a missing feature in indicator-session, and being worked on [14:30] rodrigo_, they should be on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy on non edge [14:30] yes, I do, but just clicked on the url you pasted :D [14:31] pitti: ah okay cool as long as it's known :) [14:31] rodrigo_, the url works here, weird [14:32] seb128: ok, edge works, so let me know if ogra doesn't do it soon, and I'll do it [14:36] rodrigo_, bzr updated [14:36] cool, thanks [14:48] mvo, how's it going? [15:05] tedg: hello. did someone have time to review my code for indicator-session ? === asac__ is now known as asac [15:20] pitti, i think that would be a great solution [15:20] mpt - re bug 426294 - that alert will be disappearing in a metacity patch i'm preparing later [15:20] Launchpad bug 426294 in software-store "Store doesn't "support 'save current setup'"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426294 [15:20] (default.desktop) [15:25] superm1: the only gotcha I see is that several $derivative-default-settings packages would conflict on it [15:25] superm1: so if you have a better idea.. [15:26] pitti, so that's why maybe an /etc/alternatives for the default.desktop would be a good solution then? [15:26] and have gnome register itself as one of them [15:26] superm1: ah, good idea [15:27] noooooo [15:27] no alternative [15:27] ? [15:27] I just hate those [15:27] seb128: we wouldn't need it for gnome; if no default.desktop is present, it'd just behave like now [15:27] they are complicated to handle and always lead to weird bugs [15:28] what issue are we trying to address? [15:28] superm1: which package would ship default.session for mythbuntu? [15:29] pitti, probably mythbuntu-default-settings [15:29] and likely xubuntu-default-settings for xubuntu [15:29] would it make sense to be able to install both at the same time? [15:29] generally no [15:29] if not, we could just have them Provides:/Conflicts: ubuntu-derivative-default-settings or so [15:29] and don't need the alternatives [15:30] seb128, we need a way to set the default session for gdm [15:30] otherwise it's unpredictable what session you get logged into with auto login [15:30] shouldn't that be a config key rather? [15:31] i'm indifferent to a gconf key or a file or an alternatives, but somehow it's gotta be configurable [15:32] right, let me some time to think about that [15:32] I just dislike alternatives, they are distro specific changes, complicated and lead to weird bugs [15:34] seb128: *nod* [15:34] seb128: I'm fine with *-default-settings mutually excluding each other, so they could just all ship a default.session [15:34] I'm fine with that too [15:36] superm1: ^ works for you? [15:37] /usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop, I mean [15:37] pitti, i'm fine with that [15:37] might want to ask cody though too [15:37] superm1: I'm in a meeting; could you please follow up to the bug on that and assign the gdm task to me? I'll add the default.desktop support (should be trivial) [15:37] perhaps this can also get us around gdm-2.20 [15:37] Yes that's what i'm hoping [15:38] sure [15:39] dobey: hey, I've drafted mail to the release team about this, anyone else you would like me to send it to? [15:40] superm1: could you quickly hop into #ubuntu-meeting? [15:40] sure [15:40] chrisccoulson, yay I guess [15:40] thanks [15:47] james_w: uhm, am I cc:ed? [15:47] mais oui [15:48] rickspencer3: good morning [15:49] good morning pitti [15:49]